The Heir to the Iglesia ni Cristo corporation, Eduardo ManaloToday almost all newspapers and our city streets are infested by paid messages or banners congratulating the Iglesia ni Manalo for the 95th anniversary of this cult. It is understandable for our politicians because they need the votes of the INC members who are famous for their block voting. Just like any cult this organization or rather this corporation is growing thanks to determined efforts of its ministers to lure Catholics into their fold and the lack of efforts on the part of the Catholic hierarchy to stop the tide of conversions to this sect.
Well, never mind. Let's just do our part.
It is very interesting that the INC considers July 27 as their most special day while they abhor the December 25 of Christmas. They are arguing that it is not written in the Bible that Jesus was born on December 25. Very interesting indeed... Why? Did they find in the Bible the verse stating that July 27 must be celebrated as the founder of the Iglesia ni Cristo? Ha, ha, ha... Of course not. Yet they rather not talk about it because it will destroy their corporation.
It is also interesting to observe the Succession of Authority in the Biblical Church founded by Jesus and that of the Iglesia founded by Felix Y. Manalo. First, the one founded by Jesus was established on Peter the Rock [Mt 16;18-19] while the Iglesia ni Cristo is founded by Felix Manalo et al by asking for the authority of the government. Ha, ha, ha... Second, the Lord Jesus didn't beget any child to be his successor but Felix Manalo left his son Eraño Manalo as the Chief Executive Minister of his self-founded sect. Very clever, isn't he? And, now that Eraño is in his old age the Vice Chief Executive is his own son, Eduardo. Amazing business acumen, these people have. Very bright. He, he, he...
Imagine, they claim that Felix Manalo is an angel. Ho hum... An Angel mentioned in the book of Revelation coming down form the East. So... how come this angel produced offsprings? Is there Biblical foundation for Good Angels copulating and producing children of their own flesh and blood? Your guess is as good as mine. Ha, ha, ha... Much more, if you will read the passage of his letter published in their own Pasugo you will see a picture of an angel who was bowing to the will of the Japanese conquerors. He appears to be afraid to oppose the will of the invaders. Amazing, amazing really. Ha, ha, ha...
The Old Pasugo or Official Bulletin of the INC showing the letter of Felix Manalo bowing to the will of the Japanese invaders during the World War II 
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You wanna stop the tides of conversions to the INC? Try putting their doctrines to test. Why don't you debate with them? People are converting into their church because they believe in the truthfulness of their doctrines. Prove their doctrines are wrong in public so that people would know. That is... if you are brave enough to face them in a public doctrinal debate.
ReplyDeleteThe work of the Devil is usually growing faster than the good works of the Lord's followers so the so called growth of the Iglesia ni Manalo is nothing to be bothered of eventhough we are concerned about the souls of those whom they deceived.
ReplyDeleteWell, concerning debate. The pastors of the Iglesia ni Manalo here in our area are not challenging me to a debate how can I debate them. As far as I know the Manolistas have official debaters and they are the ones appearing on actual debates not the pastors in the local areas. If that is the case, then those top INC debaters must be met by our best Catholic Apologists as well.
Our prominent American Catholic Apologist Patrick Madrid personally went to New Era to issue a formal debate challenge but the INC refused. How come they are not issuing challenges to CATHOLIC ANSWERS, the biggest Catholic Apologetic Society in the world? How come they are not issuing challenges to Mayor Soc Fernandez of Talisay, Cebu and Atty. Marwil Llasos of Defensores Fidei Foundation?
I think criticizing the way the Church of Christ is organized is pretty ironic, especially coming from a Catholic follower. The ceremonious rituals of choosing a new pope provide enough material to sell a novel. But we don't want to get into that, do we? I don't understand why people tend to nitpick at the structure of the church and bypass what really matters, like doctrine. Yeah, go ahead, have your debates. You can debate all day if you want, but you'll find the answers to your questions smack dab in the Bible. No no, don't pick up your "Catechism of the Catholic Church" or refer to - what is it? - oh, the "Nicene Creed". Just the Bible. Must've been a while since you last picked it up, huh?
ReplyDeleteThose outside the Church of Christ find ways to easily brand the church with words like "corporation" and "cult". Corporation? Really now. Let's not be so liberal with the name calling here, buddy. The Catholic church doesn't have a history to be proud of - there's no denying it. The Catholic church used to be the richest, most powerful organization throughout Europe for hundreds of years. It was like a bank with the word "church" attached to it. Oh how far has the early church of Christ has come from its humble beginnings. Okay, first thing I noticed on this blog - the big, gleaming, golden statue/figurine/thing-whatever that acts as the background picture to this webpage. Can't you put the money (and I"m sure it was a heck of a lot of money) used to create such a grand piece of art to better use? Like I don't know...HOUSES OF WORSHIP. Yes, worship. As in, praying, singing praises, bible studies, the whole shebang. How much land does the Catholic church own anyway? Wait. Oh my. Y'all have a country called the Vatican. Never mind, the Church of Christ would have to be a COUNTRY to ever find the path to God. You're right - wee little INC with its corporate ideals is no match to the power and glory of a full throttle, multi-billion dollar industry - I mean church - like that of devout Catholics. Sorry for detering you from your profits in this crazy market called religion.
And I'm going to refrain from discussing Catholic dealings with politicians because frankly I don't have the time.
As for Brother Felix Y. Manalo, I think it is unfortunate that he isn't remembered or recognized as he should be. If one will criticize him for his work, at least don't come off as ignorant. Sir, what is the definition of an angel? Go. It's...a messenger...from...God... And are all angels stereotypical? With wings, little crossbows and arrows, topped off with golden halos ("Halo" by Beyonce is AMAZING by the way)? Nope. So, when you decide to take a stab at someone, at least do some research first. And hmm, "Iglesia Ni Manalo". Interesing phrase. I've been going to church, what, twice a week for nearly my entire life and the phrase "Iglesia Ni Manalo" has never come up. There's nothing wrong with praising a person that has founded something. Are you going to criticize Americans for putting George Washington on the dollar bill? We celebrate those who, despite persecution and hindrances, have sacrificed or dedicated their lives to something so monumental and life-changing, whether it's the founding of a church or the fight for animal rights. I can name a few: Martin Luther King, MAGELLAN, Nelson Mandela, and list goes on.
All right. So go rewrite this article again and then we'll see if I agree with you.
Then show your concern to the souls you are saying they deceived. Prove them wrong in a public doctrinal debate.
ReplyDeleteWhat evidence could you show that your Apologist really went to New Era to issue a formal debate challenge and that the INC refused? And could you tell why they refused?
In my knowledge the INC never really do the first move of making debate challenges. They only react when seriously challenged.
There was already a debate that happened between apologist Karl Keating of Catholic Answers and J. Ventilacion of the INC. I was able to watch it from google. Aside from never really doing the first move of making challenges, the INC will of course not challenge what they have already beaten.
You want people to believe that you are seriously challenging the INC for a debate then why not air your challenge on a television or over the radio? You have your own television or radio programs I believe. Just don't be like the man in Apalit, Pampanga who is courageous in words but a coward in action.
I truly praise God for your blog Father Abe. Truly enlightening. The Iglesia ni cristo of Felix Manalo will NEVER trimph because Jesus had promise his true Church will never bow to his enemies.
ReplyDeleteThanks a lot Father.
btw, the Anonymous commentator here was challenging your braveness when in fact he posted his comments Anonymously... what an irony.
Thank you very much Catholic Defender.
ReplyDeleteIt is very striking that the Manolistas claim that they can prove their doctrines from the Bible:
1. Where can they find in the Bible that Felix Manalo is an angel?
2. Where can they find in the Bible that the True Church is founded on July 27, 1914?
3. Where can they find in the Bible that the Philippines is in Far East?
4. Where can they find in the Bible that the center of the True Church must be in Diliman, Quezon City?
5. Where can they find in the Bible that the Manalo Dynasty must rule over the True Church?
Let us see if they can provide Biblical passages for these.
Faith without reason makes the faithful fanatics and block voting possible.
ReplyDeleteExactly. I hope the Manolista Anonymous can give a Biblical citation for BLOCK VOTING.
ReplyDeleteDear Fr. Abe,
ReplyDeleteI really have one question with the INC. Why they are using the Bible produced by the Catholic Church whom they believe to be apostate? It follows that the bible they are using is an apostate one.
One cannot produce a good fruit from a bad tree, isn't it? Why don't they produce their own canon of the scriptures.
As for the doctrines of the INC. What doctrines are they telling wherein they obtain their purported doctrines from other Christian sects that Manalo joined.
Have they forgotten the Ora rebellion which challenged the leadership of Manalo and that is the starting point of the their belief that Manalo is an angel.
Ordinary members of the INC cannot defend their faith from Catholics who really knew the Catholic faith. INC ministers are well known cut and paste quoters to twist quotations to back their own views.
As for the anonymous poster, you need a change of mindset. Obtain the books being used against the Catholic Church by your ministers and see the true essence.
Thank you Administrator. If only the Manolistas will really read the books that their Ministros are quoting they will find out the lies and deceits.
ReplyDeleteThen go and prove them wrong for the sake of the souls you say the deceived. Challenge them in a public debate that people may know. You can do a lot of postings here against
ReplyDeletethe INC but it will not stop the conversions of people into their church.
Ha, ha, ha... Why do I have to challenge them. They do not issue challenges then you want me to do something that they are not doing. How clever of you.
ReplyDeleteIf there are conversions to Iglesia ni Manalo there are also conversions to the Catholic Church. We have converted nations and empires into the True Church. Your growth is nothing in comparison with the growth of Seventh Day Adventists and Mormons in U.S. or that of the Evangelicals all over the world. If your basis for being true is conversions then the Catholic Church is the True Faith. We converted the barbarians of Europe, we converted the Roman Empire, the French and Spanish Empires, etc. From a few members in Jerusalem and Rome we became a Church of more than a Billion members. You are nothing in comparison to the Catholic Church. Nothing.
The INC growth has been very rapid and unstoppable, one that can be considered phenomenal. On the other hand, the RCC is weakening. So who should be in the position to make a challenge? Them?
ReplyDeleteDo not be so proud if you converted a lot of people into the RCC because the way you did it is absolutely nothing to be proud of. In fact, it is something that the RCC should be ashamed of. History is a living testimony of the RCC's barbaric way of propagating its faith. How many human lives in the past did the RCC took from those who refused to believe? How much blood was stained to the ground during the inquisition? Horribly unimaginable but these crimes the RCC committed are true.
Now go and challenge the INC for doctrinal debate. Go prove in public that yours is true and the INC's is false. For once, try to prove that you could convert as many people as you converted in the past without using your old barbaric way.
Sa loob lamang ng maikling panahon ay napakalayo na ng narating ng Iglesia. Wala itong utang, hindi nanghihingi ng pera sa kaninoman upang magpatayo ng kaniyang mga kapilya. Hindi ito nagpapa- raffle para lamang maipatapos ang ang kaniyang mga proyekto. samantalang ang katoliko ay kung ano-ano ang ginagawa pero hirap na hirap magpatapos ng simbahan. Panahon na para gumising tayo. Huwag magalit o mainggit kundi magsikap.
ReplyDeleteano ang sinabi ng mga mangangaral sa buong mundo,?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.gemnet.tv/content/what-they-say-about-bro-felix-y-manalo
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ang katoliko nga naman.. mismong ang bible na nagsasabi na sa imperno kayo mapunta, masakit ba tanggapin.. pero yan ang totoo diba?
alam nyo yan.. kung saang verse mabasa,
10 yrs pa kau nagaaral.. tapos puro lang kayo salita, d nyo mapatuyan.. ang mga mali ng INC,
imagine? 95 na.. ang INC.. pabalik2 lang ang mga paninira nyo.. d ba kayo nagsasawa?
to FATHER FATHERAN!,
ReplyDeleteang tanong mo.. ay matagal na sagot..
makisubcribe kc kau sa stasyon namin para sa inyo to, para updated kau anong nangyari sa mundo ninyo,:D
net-25.com/live.html paketingnan ang schedule,
kung marunong ka magbasa..
www.net-25.com, libre lang yan..
Hello Anonymous/Kawawa1 of flicker,
ReplyDeleteNice to see your postings here.
"The INC growth has been very rapid and unstoppable, one that can be considered phenomenal. On the other hand, the RCC is weakening. So who should be in the position to make a challenge? Them?"
Phenomenal in what sense? The Catholic Church is weakening in what sense?
"Do not be so proud if you converted a lot of people into the RCC because the way you did it is absolutely nothing to be proud of. In fact, it is something that the RCC should be ashamed of. History is a living testimony of the RCC's barbaric way of propagating its faith. How many human lives in the past did the RCC took from those who refused to believe? How much blood was stained to the ground during the inquisition? Horribly unimaginable but these crimes the RCC committed are true."
History??? What kind of history. I would like to caution you about purported history. Look out for adjectives when reading "history" because it might be just a propaganda one.
Serious historians discredit your claims.
"Now go and challenge the INC for doctrinal debate. Go prove in public that yours is true and the INC's is false. For once, try to prove that you could convert as many people as you converted in the past without using your old barbaric way."
Actually ginawa na iyan. Naghamon yung isang member na INC ng Katoliko. Nung tinanggap ng isang Katoliko yung hamon eh yung INC na naghamon pala eh hindi haharap kundi yung ministro nila kasi hindi raw sila puede. Hahaha. siya naghamon tapos yun pala hindi siya ang haharap. Anu yun. Akala ko ba naiintindihan ng ordinaryon INC ang kanilang pananampalataya tapos hindi pala nila madepensahan.
"Sa loob lamang ng maikling panahon ay napakalayo na ng narating ng Iglesia. Wala itong utang, hindi nanghihingi ng pera sa kaninoman upang magpatayo ng kaniyang mga kapilya. Hindi ito nagpapa- raffle para lamang maipatapos ang ang kaniyang mga proyekto. samantalang ang katoliko ay kung ano-ano ang ginagawa pero hirap na hirap magpatapos ng simbahan. Panahon na para gumising tayo. Huwag magalit o mainggit kundi magsikap."
Ano koneksyon nito sa pagiging totoo ng INC?
"ano ang sinabi ng mga mangangaral sa buong mundo,?
http://www.gemnet.tv/content/what-they-say-about-bro-felix-y-manalo"
So, pinaniniwalaan pala ninyo ang ang sugo ng demonyo ayon sa inyong Pasugo. Hindi ba puro kasinungalingan ang sinasabi ng demonyo.
Ano ba talaga ang inyong tinitindigan?
"ang katoliko nga naman.. mismong ang bible na nagsasabi na sa imperno kayo mapunta, masakit ba tanggapin.. pero yan ang totoo diba?
alam nyo yan.. kung saang verse mabasa,"
pasensya na at hindi namin alam. paki turo nga ang verse sa bible na kung saan nakalagay na ang Katoliko ay mapupunta sa impiyerno.
"makisubcribe kc kau sa stasyon namin para sa inyo to, para updated kau anong nangyari sa mundo ninyo,:D
net-25.com/live.html paketingnan ang schedule,
kung marunong ka magbasa..
www.net-25.com, libre lang yan.."
Walang problema kasi nanunood ako diyan, nakikinig pa sa radyo at subscriber ng Pasugo. Kaya lang nakakatawa kasi ang daming mali.
Manuod ka rin dito para maintindihan mo ang Biblia:
http://www.youtube.com/user/jesuitcomm
Mr. Administrator, just to let you know, I'm not Anonymous/kawawa1 of flicker and there are more than one anonymous poster here.
ReplyDeleteHow many catholics are still going to your church? And those that go to your church are all of them even catholics? How many catholics still live a real catholic life? This is how catholicism is getting weaker, many and more of its members no longer faithfully adhere to catholic teachings and way of life. Know what, if you church will start expelling members who are not living a catholic life, I doubt if there are many members would be left in your church. You would probably become the smallest religious organization.
If your caution, means for me to selectively read only materials that are pro-catholic, sorry but I will not do that.
Who are those scholars you are talking about? The pro-catholic ones? Are you denying the inquisition?
The history of this country alone testifies how catholicsm was a scary and barbaric religion. You cannot change history my friend. It is a living testimony of the past.
Now going back to the debate topic. Why did you not face the minister?
...anonymous please read some of the poston the right side...because some of your questions are answered there...
ReplyDelete[The INC growth has been very rapid and unstoppable, one that can be considered phenomenal. On the other hand, the RCC is weakening. So who should be in the position to make a challenge? Them?]
ReplyDeleteI consider this assessment as based on illusion. The Catholic Chuch in the United States have grown so much that previously it was a minority now it is almost the single most numerous among the religions there. Thousands and thousands of Anglicans in Great Britain are becoming Catholic. In China and in Vietnam despite the persecutions the Catholic Church is experiencing rapid growth. The same thing in India.
The growth of the Catholic Church is much much more phenomenal. It was miraculous. Your temple in New Era is a piece of junk in comparison with the St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. No match. Kubeta lang yan sa Vatican City.
[Do not be so proud if you converted a lot of people into the RCC because the way you did it is absolutely nothing to be proud of. In fact, it is something that the RCC should be ashamed of. History is a living testimony of the RCC's barbaric way of propagating its faith.]
What you claim are unfounded accusations that your own ministers and the enemies of the Church invented.
The Catholic Church was the one who civilized Europe. We were the one who established the first universities in the Western World, the one who built the first Hospitals, opened the earliests Orphanages and Home for the Aged and Houses for the Leprous. We built schools of great reputations.
We produced scientists and philosophers such as Newton, Copernicus, Descartes, Pasteur and many others. On your part, who are your scientists? Nothing.
Your school the New Era is a rotten meat in comparison with UST, Ateneo and La Salle. We established the first schools and houses of charities in this country. You have nothing to compare to the greatness of the Catholic Church.
[How many human lives in the past did the RCC took from those who refused to believe? How much blood was stained to the ground during the inquisition? Horribly unimaginable but these crimes the RCC committed are true.]
Real doctors of history and History professors have already refuted the Black Legends of the Inquisition. During those times all cultures and nations and religions were accepting death penalty. The Inquisition of the Church is a just system those times. The so called Spanish and French Inquisition were administered not by the Church but by the government of those times.
Even during the Inquisition the CAtholic Church was the champion of Education, Philosophy, Arts and Science in the Western World.
[Now go and challenge the INC for doctrinal debate. Go prove in public that yours is true and the INC's is false. For once, try to prove that you could convert as many people as you converted in the past without using your old barbaric way.]
ARE YOU PLEADING ME TO CHALLENGE YOUR PASTORS? Ha, ha, ha...
kahit anong gawin nyo talo naman talaga kayo.. pababalik lang ang mga sinasabi nyo..
ReplyDeletewag kayo dito makipag debate.. gawin nyong formal,. pano tayo magkakaintindhan nyan..,?
mag email kau., or magsulat kau, or puntahan nyo ang mga simbahan ng INC kung astig talaga at higit sa lahat kung my DYOS kau,. wag kau matakot.. kau nga ang TAGO ng TAGO jan e,, d nyo naisip yan? informal kayo., makipag away sa INC,. d harap2 harapan.. patalikod, dba?
d kc kayo mga profesional..
repect others and youll be recpected,
[For once, try to prove that you could convert as many people as you converted in the past without using your old barbaric way.]
ReplyDeleteExcuse me, the pagans prior to Catholicism were the one who persecuted us. They fed the Roman Catholics to lions and burned them alive. That is why the early Catholics were worshipping in catacombs. We converted Europe by Philosophy and Evangelical preaching and by works of charities of our Saints.
We fought against the Moslems because the Moslems attacked Europe by sword. We fought wars against Protestants because they were burning our churches and chapels and monasteries.
We used forced because force was being used against us. It was justified in a just war. We are not like Manalo who submitted himself to the Japanese.
SINO BA SA ATIN ANG NAGTATAGO, E NAKALAGAY DITO ANG AKING TUNAY THE PICTURE AT ANG AKING TUNAY NA PANGALAN. TAPOS SASABIHAN MO KAMI NG NAGTATAGO. Palagay koy mas applicable yan sa iyo.
ReplyDeleteGOOD,. ano daw.? nakalagay ang aking?
ReplyDeletetaz naging KAME?.//
d mabuti.. ngaun pakeusap ko lang sayo.. makipagdebate ka nlang in person,, takot kaba?
san na ang DYOS mo?
[Sa loob lamang ng maikling panahon ay napakalayo na ng narating ng Iglesia.]
ReplyDeleteMAS MALAYO ANG NARATING NG IGLESIA CATOLICA. LUMAGANAP ITO SA BAWAT HIMAYMAY NG DAIGDID. Kayo ay para lamang 'galis' na kumakalat.
[Wala itong utang, hindi nanghihingi ng pera sa kaninoman upang magpatayo ng kaniyang mga kapilya.]
HINDI NGA KAYO NANG HIHINGI KASI HINU-HUTHUTAN NYO SA IKAPU ANG INYONG MGA MIEMBRO. MAS MASAMA YON KASI SAPILITANG PANGANGA-UARTA. MAY IKAPU SA BIBLIA PERO DI SINABING OBLIGADO LAHAT NG MIEMBRO AT HINDI SINABING ILISTA KUNG SINO ANG NAG IIKAPU AT HINDI. KAYO GARAPALAN, MAY LISTAHAN AT PINUPUNTAHAH PA SA BAHAY. TAPOS MERON PANG TAUNANG HULOG. AT YUNG PINAG PAGAWA NG KAPILYA MULI PANG HINUHUTHOT SA MGA MIEMBRO. GRABE DI BA. YAN ANG UGALI NG MGA TULISAN AT BARBARO.
Hindi rin kami nang-hihingi kaninuman. Kasi ang hinihingian namin ay mga MIEMBRO namin. AT LEAST KAMI NANG HIHINGI NG MAAYOS SA MGA TAGASUNOD. HINDI NAMIN GINAWANG DOCTRINA ANG PANGONGOLEKTA NG PERA KAGAYA NG GINAGAWA NG MGA MANALO.
[Hindi ito nagpapa- raffle para lamang maipatapos ang ang kaniyang mga proyekto.]
AT ANONG MASAMA SA RAFFLE. BAKIT MAY NAKASULAT BA SA BIBLIA NA MASAMA ANG RAFFLE? Ang raffle ay mabuti kasi yung mga bumili ng ticket para ipagpagawa ng Kapilya ay pwedeng manalo ng TV, isang sakong bigas, refrigerator at iba pa. Kahit Thermos ay may bumabalik sa mga generous donors. SA IGLESIA NI MANALO WALANG BALIK. LAHAT SAID NA SAID NI MANALO. BUONG BUONG KINAKAMKAM NG INYONG PAMULUAN.
[samantalang ang katoliko ay kung ano-ano ang ginagawa pero hirap na hirap magpatapos ng simbahan. Panahon na para gumising tayo. Huwag magalit o mainggit kundi magsikap.]
HIRAP NA HIRAP DAW. E SIEMPRE HINDI NAMIN MINAMADALI ANG PAGPAPAGAWA NG SIMBAHAN DAHIL HINDI NGA PWERSAHAN AT SAPILITAN ANG PANGONGOLEKTA. ANG TAWAG DON AY 'PAG GALANG SA FINANCIAL SITUATION' NG MGA MANANAMPALATAYA.
ISA PA, MARAMI NA KAMING SIMBAHAN NA GINAWA NG AMING MGA NINUNO. MAS MAHAL NGA IYON KASI MGA ANTIQUE NA. ANG MGA KAPILYA NAMIN AY DINADAYO NG MGA TOURISTS, ARTISTS, HISTORIANS, STUDENTS AND EDUCATORS BECAUSE THEY ARE CULTURAL AND HISTORICAL VALUE. Sa inyo parang Korte Suprema.
[ang katoliko nga naman.. mismong ang bible na nagsasabi na sa imperno kayo mapunta, masakit ba tanggapin.. pero yan ang totoo diba?
ReplyDeletealam nyo yan.. kung saang verse mabasa,]
HA, HA, HA... SAAN NAKASULAT SA BIBLIA NA SA IMPIERNO MAPUPUNTA ANG MGA KATOLIKO? ABER. THAT IS ANOTHER LIE PERPETRATED BY THE IGLESIA NI MANALO PASTORS.
tingnan mo parang kang bata.. ano?
ReplyDeletetingnan ko lang saan ka pupulutin balang araw..
yan ba ang PARE? nyo.. parang bata..
wakoko
[to FATHER FATHERAN!]
ReplyDeleteTO ANGEL ANGHELAN!
SUGO-SUGUAN!
ReplyDeletecge lang.. dak2 lang ng dak2.. bata kc e..
ReplyDeleteHA, HA, HA...
ReplyDeleteKung sure kana talaga sa paniniwala mo..
ReplyDeletepunta ka sa INC church.. tawagin mo na lahat ang mga SANTO mo... bakit takot ka.. wala ka tiwala sa mga SANTO mo?
Thank you for the invitation. AM I INVITED TO LAY HANDS ON YOUR EXECUTIVE MINISTER just like the Protestant Pastors were invited to lay hands on Felix Y. Manalo? Ha, ha, ha...
ReplyDeletewaw.. naka2hiya ka naman.. kung saan ka man dyan ka nalang waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa :P
ReplyDeletebye ala kwenta..
HA, HA, HA... BETTER FOR YOU TO STAY IN YOUR CHURCH IN KA-DILIMAN, QUEZON CITY!
ReplyDeleteYeah dude, it's true. You won't come across a standard world history book without reading about the not-so-lovely history of the RCC. Way back in tenth grade, my history teacher gave us a disclaimer on the first day of class. He asked who among us were Catholic and when those kids rose their hands, he warned them not to be offended. The history we were about to learn dealt with a lot of unsavory moments of the Roman Catholic Church, like the mass murders of Huguenots in France (St. Bartholomew Massacre of 1572) and the sale of indulgences. I realize that this happened a long time ago, but if the RCC is truly the one true church, then I'm sure none of this would have happened. If you read Erasmus's "The Praise of Folly", you can see how even a devout, ever faithful Catholic like Erasmus found the RCC deceitful and corrupted.
ReplyDeleteAs for conversions, religion is not supposed to be a battle of who can convert the most. If you trace back to the origins of Christmas, you can see how it was actually derived from the pagan worship of the sun. Christians used the festivals that took place in Rome and throughout Europe during winter as a transitional step to converting pagans. Like many aspiring religions, these Christians attached old customs to their religion to make conversion less of a shock. So my point is conversion of great numbers of people should not be a factor in determining what church is the right church. I attend college right now and I have plenty of Catholic friends. If the Catholic Church has the right to expel (or excommunicate?) its members, then there are a lot here you can find. They attend mass when they feel like it and they wear their rosaries after a long night out. Note that it is the quality of your worship that matters to God, not the volume of your worshipers.
Besides, in Matthew 7:14 it says: "But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a FEW find it".
Guess that growth isn't so phenomenal now.
And also, note that when people mention the history of the Catholic Church, it is not biased. You can find the development and growth of the RCC in any high school world history book. You can even research it on Wikipedia. The writers are not pro-Catholic and they are neither anti-Catholic. Just remember that when comparing different churches, the Catholic Church does not have a perfect, glorious history. It is tainted with bloodshed and war, political dealings and supression of new ideas (ie. Galileo and scientific thinking). Yes, every history is a living testimony to the past.
Mr. Abe you said, "Your temple in New Era is a piece of junk in comparison with the St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. No match. Kubeta lang yan sa Vatican City."
Ouchhh. I don't know, this sounds pretty hostile coming from a man of God. Honestly, do you think our Lord Jesus Christ is giving you a nice pat on the shoulder for that stab? Like I said before on my earlier post, if the INC is a "corporation" as you said, then the RCC is like an industry, like a bank. Did Christ want his church to be a full up and running country of its own? With its own jurisdiction and government? We weren't put on earth to build extravagant cathedrals or temples. Again, it isn't a battle of who has got the most followers or the most elegant places of worship. You guys are forgetting what it means to be Christian!
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ReplyDeleteAnd Mr. Abe, I read another comment that you posted that I found ironic: "We produced scientists and philosophers such as Newton, Copernicus, Descartes, Pasteur and many others. On your part, who are your scientists? Nothing."
Rene Descartes is known as the "Father of Modern Philosophy" and was a devout Catholic. However, when he had learned of the way the Catholic Church - his own faith - dealt with Galileo's proposals, he had to leave years of work on his "Treatise of the World" because he was SCARED of what the RCC would do to him. He was Catholic, but his own religion deterred him from publishing what he believed in (forward-thinking ideals), just like many philosophers and scientists at that time. Copernicus was also a Catholic, but his work "De revolutionibus orbium coelestium" caused much controversy and was supressed by the Catholic Church as well. The relationship between the RCC and the fathers of political science and philosophy is quite evident.
See, you have to do your research first before you say something that isn't fully true.
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ReplyDeletepanood ka nalang muna bata
And also, y'all need to calm down with the insults. IT'S JUST A BLOG.
ReplyDeleteAnd if possible, write in English pleeeeease (:
Mr. UCLA Bruin,
ReplyDeleteA member of the Iglesia ni Cristo infested our site with attacks and I replied to him based on the language and manner understandable to him.
Now, going to your statements:
[The history we were about to learn dealt with a lot of unsavory moments of the Roman Catholic Church, like the mass murders of Huguenots in France (St. Bartholomew Massacre of 1572) and the sale of indulgences.]
Have you ever consider if that teacher is influenced by anti Catholic bias. It is alright if she is presenting those stances in history but what is to be considered is that did she present the complete picture of those historical events. Just a quick look at the Wikipedia about the Huguenot massacre shows that it was not the Roman Catholic Church who perpetrated the massacre but the French King. It was a political act even though the people involved were divided between Catholics and Protestants. Just like we cannot blame the monks of the Taoists Temples of Japan for the political or military decisions of Emperor Hirohito. Tha kings and queens of that time, such as Catherine de Medici and the Huguenot princes were not representing the Protestant and Catholic Churches.
Concerning the sale of Ingulgences will you please show the official document of the Catholic Church asking the people to buy and sell Indulgences. It was not in the official decree or order of the Church that Indulgences be sold to the faithful. If there were abuses of those kind it was also corrected by the Church Authorities. Abuses is common to all people and all cultures, including the Iglesia ni Manalo. Just listen in You Tube to Executive Minister Erano Manalo castigating the corruptions of the INC pastors and you will get my point. I also know of complaints in the Iglesia that the some pastors are baptizing less than twelve year old in order to reach the quota for the number of Baptisms to be submitted to the Central Office. Others are adding names that were merely invented. Concerning massacre or kiilings I've also encountered yesterday the famous Massacre perpetrated by a pastor of the Iglesia against some kids who defeated them in Basketball.
Besides, your teacher should have told the class how the Protestants in England burned our churches and monasteries also such as those committed by Henry VIII and Elizabeth I of England who were both HEAD OF THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND. The Protestants also killed Catholics. If the Catholics had a Crusade it was because the Moslems started it with a Jihad. They conquered by force Jerusalem, Constantinople, Cordoba in Spain and was about to enter France.
Did your teacher ask the Anglicans to raised their hands? Did that same teacher asked the Moslems to raised their hands and made them to account for the conquest of Constantinople? If not that teacher is biased against the Catholic Church. For sure he will not say that to the Moslems because he or she will be coweriing in fear for Moslem reactions against their religion.
[I realize that this happened a long time ago, but if the RCC is truly the one true church, then I'm sure none of this would have happened.]
That is not true. That statement is unbiblical. The people of Israel was genuinely chosen and the true believers of God during the Old Testament yet they were also implementing a brutal law such as stoning to death and they also massacred the other non-Jewish tribes.
There were wars in the Bible that involved massacres but they were even blessed by God.
You are judging the events of the fast based on our international law today which the Catholic Church joined and participated in drafting since the VAtican is one of the original members of the United Nations.
[If you read Erasmus's "The Praise of Folly", you can see how even a devout, ever faithful Catholic like Erasmus found the RCC deceitful and corrupted.]
Listen to the testimony of former Iglesia ni Cristo in the Dating Daan or those who returned to the Catholic Church and you will hear the same thing. They also testify to the corruption in INC.
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ReplyDelete[As for conversions, religion is not supposed to be a battle of who can convert the most.]
It was the INC attacker who claimed that they are the true Church because of their phenomenal growth. I pointed out that that is not the basis because the Mormons, the Adventists and the Evangelicals are more numerous and growing faster. If you are here in the Philippines that is the mantra of the INC nowadays. WE ARE THE TRUE CHURCH BECAUSE WE ARE MULTIPLYING TREMENDOUSLY. Well, they are not the only one multiplying. ISLAM IS MULTIPLYING TOO. I simply told the guy that if he speaks of quantitative criterion then we are more blessed because definitely we are more numerous.
[What you claim are unfounded accusations that your own ministers and the enemies of the Church invented.]
ReplyDeleteNope nobody invented these. As I said, Philippine history alone would attest to the crimes committed by the RCC.
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ReplyDelete[If you trace back to the origins of Christmas, you can see how it was actually derived from the pagan worship of the sun. Christians used the festivals that took place in Rome and throughout Europe during winter as a transitional step to converting pagans.]
That is another Myth coming from anti-Catholics. Will you please give me the name of a pagan religion that celebrated Christmas?
THE PAGANS CELEBRATED THE BIRTH OF THE SUN OR THE SOL INVICTUS, BUT CATHOLICS CELEBRATE THE BIRTH OF JESUS - THE SUN OF JUSTICE. That is the reason why it is called CHRISTMAS... It is festival of and for Christ's Honor. The early Christians searched for the Birth of Jesus and the closest day they got based on the earliest documents of Christianity is Deceber 25 to early January. Please read my discussion of it in the topic Christmas Apologetics.
[Like many aspiring religions, these Christians attached old customs to their religion to make conversion less of a shock.]
This is a typical anti Catholic vitriolic without foundation in reality. The feasts of the Catholic Church are patterned not after the pagans but after the events of the life of Christ: Nativity of Jesus, Crucifixion of Jesus, Resurrection of Jesus, Pentecost, Ascension, etc. If there is similarity with the pagans that's not our problem.
[I attend college right now and I have plenty of Catholic friends. If the Catholic Church has the right to expel (or excommunicate?) its members, then there are a lot here you can find.]
Jesus didn't issue excommunications left and right during His stay on earth. He knew that Judas was a traitor but he was not excommunicated. Peter was cowardly before Pentecost and denied Jesus 3x but he was not excommunicated.
The Catholic Church is merciful and kind to sinners and its erring members. The power to excommunicate is rarely given. Only to those who officially renounce their Catholic Faith. I think this is inline with the attitude of Jesus towards his erring disciples. Unlike the Iglesia who excommunicates frequently. JESUS CAME HERE ON EARTH NOT FOR THE SELF-RIGHTEOUS BUT FOR THE SINNERS [cf. Mt 9:13]
[They attend mass when they feel like it and they wear their rosaries after a long night out. Note that it is the quality of your worship that matters to God, not the volume of your worshipers.]
Israel counts his children even thoug some of them are sinners. There are also criminals from INC in our penitentiaries and I also know of some who are not active in the faith. Of course they are excommunicated by the locale.
[Real doctors of history and History professors have already refuted the Black Legends of the Inquisition.]
ReplyDeleteWho? Your priest professors?
[During those times all cultures and nations and religions were accepting death penalty.]
Does it make right to kill someone because all other religions and nations accept it. Clearly, your means and ways are not guided by the holy scriptures. No wonder, you were able to commit those crimes.
[The Inquisition of the Church is a just system those times. The so called Spanish and French Inquisition were administered not by the Church but by the government of those times.]
Mr. Abe, you are funny. First you deny and later you admit.
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ReplyDelete[Besides, in Matthew 7:14 it says: "But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a FEW find it".
Guess that growth isn't so phenomenal now.]
That few shows that the damned is more numerous than those who will be saved. But it doesn't mean that the actual number of those who will be saved will be minimal or lesser in number. Because by human standards those who will be saved are also many:
Rev 7:9 "After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands..."
SO, THAT IS A GREAT MULTITUDE IN HEAVEN WHICH NO ONE CAN COUNT. THAT'S NUMEROUS... THATS MANY.
Once again, may I remind you that the one who started the number game argument is the Anonymous Manolista. I simply responded.
[Even during the Inquisition the CAtholic Church was the champion of Education, Philosophy, Arts and Science in the Western World.]
ReplyDeleteDo not credit the works of those great philosophers and scientists to your church. Those people were great not because your church was a champion in philosophy and science. As a matter of truth, you were against their factual findings. What did your church do to galileo and newton?
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ReplyDelete[And also, note that when people mention the history of the Catholic Church, it is not biased. You can find the development and growth of the RCC in any high school world history book. You can even research it on Wikipedia. The writers are not pro-Catholic and they are neither anti-Catholic. Just remember that when comparing different churches, the Catholic Church does not have a perfect, glorious history. It is tainted with bloodshed and war, political dealings and supression of new ideas (ie. Galileo and scientific thinking). Yes, every history is a living testimony to the past.]
The INC is also accused of killings, don't you know that. There is also accusations and legal cases of murders.
I have seen a blog made by Dating Daan with an old newspapers referring to Felix Manalo as rapists of the women members. Then there is the case of Rosita Trillanes who accused the same with rape.
[Once again, may I remind you that the one who started the number game argument is the Anonymous Manolista. I simply responded.]
ReplyDeleteHo! Never did I say that the number of conversions is the basis of truth. You went into that direction yourself.
[ARE YOU PLEADING ME TO CHALLENGE YOUR PASTORS? Ha, ha, ha...]
ReplyDeleteNot my pastors. I am an expectator who would want to hear both sides present what they claim as truths.
[Mr. Abe you said, "Your temple in New Era is a piece of junk in comparison with the St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. No match. Kubeta lang yan sa Vatican City."
ReplyDeleteOuchhh. I don't know, this sounds pretty hostile coming from a man of God. Honestly, do you think our Lord Jesus Christ is giving you a nice pat on the shoulder for that stab?]
Thank you for calling me a man of God.
Objectively speaking, every body can appreciate the beauty of INC churches. I also found beautiful the Buddhist Temples, Taoists Temples, the Anglican Churches and the Mormon Chapels.
I reacted harsly because the anonymous sender started insulting our chapels while claiming beauty for their own. And using the so called beauty of INC chapels to show their being the true church. Excuse me. Some of our chapels are poor and not so beautiful but we have a lot of magnificent cathedrals and basilicas that are unmatched in beauty. He started comparing then I compared the best we have and the best house of worship of INC. Its as simple as that.
ows? naniniwala din pala sa ADD to, lol
ReplyDeletemanood tayo ng balita para makita mo din ung mga kapatid mo lol
[A member of the Iglesia ni Cristo infested our site with attacks and I replied to him based on the language and manner understandable to him.]
ReplyDeleteThat is why I am asking you, better challenge them in a formal public debate and prove the INC wrong before the eyes of its members if you can rather than making your postings here which for them are all false accusations and propaganda.
oo nga naman, ano ang ginawa sa katoliko kina newton at galileo? , bakit kaya?
ReplyDeletesekret..... :P
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ReplyDelete[Like I said before on my earlier post, if the INC is a "corporation" as you said, then the RCC is like an industry, like a bank.]
The fact that the INC is a corporation is written in their Document of Incorporation under the Philippine Government or under the govt. of the United States that time.
How can the Catholic Church be a bank? We do not demand 10% tithing to our followers like the INC and many Evangelicals. And we have thousands of houses of charities being run.
[Did Christ want his church to be a full up and running country of its own?]
DID CHRIST PROHIBIT THE CHURCH TO RUN A COUNTRY OF ITS OWN?
The Catholic Church is a Church not a country. Only the small piece of land called Vatican City is a state. Independent State. Is there something wrong with that?
The INC are also having full authority inside their New Era campus. They already have their own TV and radio stations and also a university so they are on their way to be like the Vatican. The Mormons and the Evangelicals have territorial lands also which they own and administer.
[With its own jurisdiction and government?]
IS HAVING ONE'S OWN GOVERNMENT WRONG? WHY DON'T YOU COMPLAIN TO THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND FOR BEING A MONARCH AND A HEAD OF THE CHURCH? THE DALAI LAMA WAS THE SAME FOR TIBET BEFORE HE WAS FORCEFULLY EXILED. HE IS ALSO A HEAD OF A NATION AND A RELIGIOUS LEADER.
[We weren't put on earth to build extravagant cathedrals or temples.]
We weren't here on earth to build extravagant Cathedrals but it is also inherent in man to make use of his talents to give glory to God and to improve his life on earth. If we want our roads to be better, if we want to construct a beautiful airport or city hall, we also want to built a beautiful House of Worship. That is common to all people of all cultures and nations.
[Again, it isn't a battle of who has got the most followers or the most elegant places of worship. You guys are forgetting what it means to be Christian!]
I am using the comparison of our houses of worship to remind him that it is not proper to use the beauty of their houses of worship to prove to us that they are the true church. That was my intention.
If you think that we are forgetting what it means to be a Christian... well thank you for reminding us how to be a Christian.
pssssssst ano ginawa nyo kay newton at galileo? :P
ReplyDeletealam mo sa tingin ko.. takot ka e, ayaw mo makipagdebate sa public.. hamonin mo sila..
ReplyDeletesige na at patunayan mo kung sino ang mali,
dito ka lang maangas.. sabi mo nga my GOD ka..
patunayan mo rin na my GOD ka., GO GO GO:)
alam mo anong resulta nyan.. walang kakamping PARI sayo kahit taga VATICAN pa yan.. TAKOT kaya sila makipagharapan sa INC, dba tama ako.. lol
ReplyDeletego go, father abe! labanan mo ang mga kampo ni satanas na yan! mga iglesia ni manalo!!! si manalo lang ang yumayaman, mga myembro nya, puro hikahos na. natatawa ako pag dumadaan ako sa may kampilya pagtapos ng "samba" nila, mga nakapalda pa at polo na kala mo matitinong tao. hahaha! litis na litis na mga ichura, mukhang nasipsip na ni manalo lahat ng kabuhayan. hahaha! kawawang mga kaluluwa ito.. mga ligaw na kaluluwa!
ReplyDeletesige.. na.. lol
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ReplyDelete[And Mr. Abe, I read another comment that you posted that I found ironic: "We produced scientists and philosophers such as Newton, Copernicus, Descartes, Pasteur and many others. On your part, who are your scientists? Nothing."]
SO, WHO ARE THE INC SCIENTISTS? WHO ARE THEY? WHERE ARE THEY? WHAT CONTRIBUTIONS DID THEY GIVE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE WORLD? THAT IS THE ISSUE THAT IS UNANSWERED BY THE MANOLISTAS.
[Rene Descartes is known as the "Father of Modern Philosophy" and was a devout Catholic.]
INDEED HE WAS A DEVOUT CATHOLIC!
[However, when he had learned of the way the Catholic Church - his own faith - dealt with Galileo's proposals, he had to leave years of work on his "Treatise of the World" because he was SCARED of what the RCC would do to him.]
DESCARTES REMAINED A DEVOUT CATHOLIC. WHAT DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DO TO HIM... HE SIMPLY LIVED AS A RENOWN PHILOSOPHER, SCIENTIST, MATHEMATICIAN AND DEVOUT CATHOLIC. IN CHRISTIAN PHILOSOPHY HE IS THOUGHT TO HAVE DEVELOPED ONE OF THE BEST PROOF OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD.
[He was Catholic, but his own religion deterred him from publishing what he believed in (forward-thinking ideals), just like many philosophers and scientists at that time.]
OF COURSE IF THE IDEAS TO BE PUBLISHED ARE ANTI CHRISTIAN AND ANTI CATHOLIC THE CHURCH WILL OPPOSE. WHY? WILL THE INC PUBLISHED IN THEIR OWN PRINTING PUBLICATION OR BROADCAST IN THEIR RADIO OR SHOWN ON THEIR TV IDEAS THAT ARE CONTRARY TO THEIR TEACHINGS. THAT IS THE RIGHT OF EVERY RELITION FOR THEIR MEMBER. IF YOU WANT TO AGREE WITH THE TEACHING EITHER YOU GET OUT OR BELIEVE ITS DOCTRINES. YET DESCARTES REMAINED.
[Copernicus was also a Catholic, but his work "De revolutionibus orbium coelestium" caused much controversy and was supressed by the Catholic Church as well.]
I THINK YOU ARE EXAGERATING A LITTLE BIT ON COPERNICUS: "Nicholas Copernicus first proposed the theory of the earth revolving around the sun (the Copernican Theory) but unlike Galileo, Copernicus taught it as theory not fact so his Catholic status remained untouched."
[The relationship between the RCC and the fathers of political science and philosophy is quite evident.
See, you have to do your research first before you say something that isn't fully true.]
I HAVE A COPY HERE BEFORE ME OF 'THE GREAT POLITICAL THEORIES' Vol 1 and 2 BY DR. MICHAEL CURTIS, Professor of Political Science at Yale University, Cornell University, University of Massachusettes and Oberlin College.
He included in the list of great Social and Political thinkers great Catholic Philosopers such as St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas and other monks. THEN TWO POPES WERE MENTIONED AND THEIR WORKS QUOTED: POPE LEO XIII AND BLESSED POPE JOHN XXIII.
HOW COME THERE IS NO IGLESIA NI CRISTO PHILOSOPHER, SOCIAL SCIENTIST INCLUDED?
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteWAIT KA LANG ABOUT COPERNICUS AND GALILEO.
kayong mga iglesia ni manalo, tumigil kayo! di nyo na kailangang hamunin ang paring katoliko ng debate. nag-aral ng teolohiya iyan, e ang mga ministro nyo? puro kabobohan! e kay eli soriano lang, ilang beses kayong hinamon, di kayo humarap e. hinahamon nya si erano manalo nyo, bat hindi nyo iharap sa kanya? katwiran nyo, di pde makipagdebate ang pinakamataas sa pangasiwaan. sus, palusot! tapos lalabanan nyo si eli soriano sa tv show nyo. aba e labanan nyo sa stage! tapos ang mga myembro nyo, ayaw nyo panoorin ng ang dating daan. bakit? bka mawindang ang utak pag narinig ang mga arguments ni soriano laban sa inyo? kung tama kayo, wag matakot, hayaang manood ang mga myembro ng matimbang nila sino may tamang argumento. ang mga ibang sekta, tinatanggap nyo na pumasok sa kapilya nyo para magsuri. pero subukan mo ang myembro ng iglesia, ayaw payagan na pumasok sa simbahan ng katoliko. bawal daw. sus! bakit, takot kayo bka maliwanagan ang isip ulet? kung alam nyong tama kayo at nsa inyo ang Diyos, wag matakot mga kapatid.. bigyan ng laya ang mga myembro. hehe..
ReplyDeleteGo.. Debate kau.. sa public,, yong formal,. puro plano.. gawin nyo!
ReplyDeleteIGLESIA: wag kayong tatawag ng father o ama, dahil isa lamang ang Ama, yung Ama sa langit.
ReplyDelete---edi wag nyong ipatawag na daddy o papa o father si erano manalo sa mga anak nya. haha! kayo din, wag kayong patawag sa mga anak nyo ng ama o daddy o papa. haha! dba ang Ama sa langit lang ang pwedeng tawaging ama? haha
sinong nanghamon pre?? kame lol
ReplyDeleted mo ba napansin.. sa taas?
lalaban sa debate ang INC yung formal, d puro.. dak2 ng dak2 gawin nyo ng formal..
ReplyDeletewla daw silang pasko, sus! pero namamasko sila. hahaha! buong mundo na kristiyano, nagdidiwang ng kapaskuhan, sila mga nakatunganga. di magagalit ang Diyos kahit mali pa ang araw ng pagselebra mo sa kapanganakan ni Hesus, ang mahalaga minsan sa buhay mo sa isang taon, inaalala mo ang dakilang kapanganakang ito. maiinntindihan na ng Diyos iyon!
ReplyDeletenood kayo kay eli soriano, may nilabas sha na issue ng pasugo, nag-aanyaya na bumili ng mga pangregalong pamasko kay kapatid na ewan.. advertisement. haha.. then you're claiming that you dont have Christmas?
father abe, pls ask ur INC readers to buy KNOW THE TRUTH magazine by a catholic priest. indian yta or indonesian ung priest. correct me father if im wrong. sinagot nya lahat ng paratang ng iglesia, very gud! sampal ntn sa mukha ng mga iglesia na yan! for d longest time, di kumikibo catholics, it's about time. go father abe, di kaya ibagsak ng mga yan ang foundation ng isang paring katoliko! may theology, tlgang pinag-aralan ng ilang taon!
ReplyDeleteone more, INC's are claiming that there were catholic priest who joined their religion, some are even monsignore according to them. I DNT BELIEVE THAT. maybe those priest are aglipayans, but not catholic priest. malalim ang foundation sa seminaryo pa lamang ng isang paring katoliko. di mo basta-bsta mahihikayat yan. lalo pa at monsignor. bka may licentiate in sacred theology pa yan e. hahahaha, kakatawa tong mga iglesia na to tlga. ewan. im signing out, magrorosary pa kami.
Meron pong mga malalapit simbahan na pede nyo eopen nyang mga tanong nyo. Don kayo makipag argu..
ReplyDeleteang hindi daw kaanib ng iglesia, di maliligtas. sus, itinatag ang iglesia ni batman 1914 lang naman dba? kawawa naman ang lolo at lolo ko, namatay before 1914. edi nde na naging kaanib ng iglesia, siguro nsa impyerno na sila noh? kawawa naman si jose rizal, pati na lolo ni manalo, bka namatay yon ng nde pa nakakaanib sa iglesia. hahaha.. katwiran ng iglesia, Diyos na bahala sa kanila, yung mga nabuhay at namatay before itatag ang iglesia. aba edi Diyos na dn ang bahala sa aming mga katoliko. alam nyo ang Diyos ay mahabagin at walang kapantay ang kanyang pagmamahal. kung sakali mang mali ang relihiyong katoliko, hanggat hindi kami tumatapak sa ibang tao, di kami pumapatay, kinikilala namin ang kapangyarihan ng Diyos, naniniwala akong isasama pa din kami ng Diyos sa kanyang kaharian. Dakila ang pag-ibig ng Diyos, di kayang pantayan ng kahit sinuman sa atin. Mali man ang relihiyon, wala Siyang pakialam, ang mahalaga ay kinikilala mo sya sa iyong puso at naniniwala kang may Diyos na makapangyayari sa lahat.
ReplyDeleteWAG MATAKOT KAHIT HINDI KAYO UMANIB SA IGLESIA NI MANALO, MAHAL TAYONG LAHAT NG DIYOS. HIGIT PA SA PAGMAMAHAL NI FELIX MANALO NA SUGO DAW SA HULING ARAW, ANGHEL NA NAMATAY SA HIKA. HAHAHAHA!
Kawawa naman ang mga philospher natin
ReplyDeletemga kapatid sa katoliko,
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast161/Unit3/response.html
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast161/Unit3/galileo.html
pero salamat parin sa inyo kc kung wala ang mga philospher ninyo.. d parin natin ma-isip bilog ang mundo.,
sa totoo lang, wala pa sila nakalagay na c GENESIS na Bilog ang Mundo,
pero ano ginawa ng mga PARI sa ROMA? salungat ang mga tinuturo nila,. hanggang ngaun salungat parin..
tuloy lang kayo sa pag aaral ninyo baka my mapapala kayo, lol
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ReplyDelete[And also, y'all need to calm down with the insults. IT'S JUST A BLOG.]
The INC officially declared that the ministers of other religions are ministers of Satan. Don't you know that? And they believe that only THEM... the members of INC shall enter into heaven. So officially for them all the rest of the world are demons who will go straight to hell.
Now, speaking of Christian Charity... these doctrines are VERY CHARITABLE. What do you think?
[And if possible, write in English pleeeeease (:]]
My posts and replies are mostly in English unless the comments were done in Filipino. It seems to me that you understand since you were able to react and to quote from them. Anyway, it's ok for me to reply in English.
NOW LOOK AT THE FOLLOWING COMMENTS FROM THAT INC. AS WE ARE EXCHANGING REASONABLE IDEAS HE IS CONTINUING HIS 'LOW BLOWS'. See for yourself.
THE ANONYMOUS MANALISTA IS ONCE AGAIN SHOWING HIS STUPIDITY. IMAGINE, HE IS CLAIMING THAT UNTIL NOW THE CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME ARE NOT TEACHING THAT THE WORLD IS ROUND.
ReplyDeleteEXCUSE ME. IT SEEMS THAT YOU ARE IGNORANT OF WORLD HISTORY. THE ONE WHO PROVED THAT THE WORLD IS ROUND IS THE MAGELLAN EXPEDITION WHICH NAVIGATED THE WORLD FOR THE FIRST TIME. MAGELLAN AND HIS COMPANIONS WHO RETURNED TO SPAIN ARE CATHOLICS.
THE ONE WHO PROVED TO THE WORLD BEYOND ANY DOUBT THAT THE WORLD IS ROUND ARE CATHOLICS!
Ha, ha, ha... the Manalo lapdog is now calling the PIGS! Well, they must be speaking the same language. HA, HA, HA...
ReplyDeleteSI FELIX MANALO AY ANGHEL NA NAMATAY. PERO HINDI SA HIKA BROTHER... NAMATAY SYA KATULAD NI JUDAS ISCARIOTE, SUMAMBULAT ANG BITUKA!
ReplyDeletePLEASE CHECK MY POST ON FELIX MANALO.
hala sinabi ko ba na until now d kau nagtuturo na the world is round,..?
ReplyDeleteginawa mo akong tanga?, mas tanga.. ka kaya
BY ACTING THAT WAY YOU ARE SHOWING YOUR TRUE NATURE TO THE WHOLE WORLD. YOU ARE THE GLORY OF THE MANOLISTAS. HA, HA, HA...
ReplyDeleteSaan na kc ung newton at sa galileo..?
ReplyDeleteui.. e post mo din ang history of the philippines yong buong libro..
ReplyDeletebaka meron kameng makuha sa assignment namin..
kc sa nakikita ko.. matyaga kang magpost...
lol,
AN IGLESIA NI CRISTO ANIMAL LIKE YOU HAS NO RIGHT TO THIS BLOG. WE CAN DEBATE TILL HEAVEN COMES BUT YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO USE LOW LEVEL BRANDING AS YOU ARE DOING.
ReplyDeleteAS A PUNISHMENT ALL YOUR ANIMALISTIC COMMENTS ARE HEREBY ERASED IN THIS BLOG.
CONCERNING NEWTON AND GALILEO. WAIT FOR IT. AS I AM WAITING TO SEE WHO ARE THE INC SCIENTIST YOU CAN BOAST OF TO PROVE THAT YOU AND YOUR KINDS ARE REALLY INTELLIGENT BEINGS.
hahah pikon kana lol
ReplyDeletekawawa ka naman..
IGNORANTE PALA ANG PARI NA TO!
KC SABI NYA CATHOLICO DAW.. ANG NAGSUPPORT sa PALALAYAG NYA SA KARAGATAN ni MAGELLAN
ANO KAYA ANG SASABIHIN NG MGA STUDYANTE PAG NA BASA NILA TO,
pikon:p
ERASEsin mo your peace! wala kwentang pari, sino kaya kakampi mong mga pari.. sa pagawa nitong blog.. or sa pagdedebate nalang sino kaya..
ReplyDeleteABANGAN:P
THE MANOLISTAS ARE VERY INTELLIGENT PEOPLE THAT IS WHY THEY DON'T HAVE A SINGLE SCIENTIST TO BOAST.
ReplyDeletewahahah wawa naman u.. TAWAGIN Mo na lahat ang santo mo..
ReplyDeleteahaha e erase mo na din ung sabi mo na c MAGELLAN ay sinuporthan nyo lol..
ReplyDeletenakakatawa ka talaga FATHER!?..
ReplyDeletesobra guilty ka ba? ba mo enerase?
hahahahh
wrong sent ka po? hahah
FATHER?? wer are u?? hahah
ReplyDeletepls e post mo ang history of the philippines
ung buong libro.. request lang.. po
hahah sikat kc ang mga spain don e.. tulad ng sabi mo mga katoliko ang spain lol,
mapunta naman tayo kay RIZAL FATHER?
ReplyDeleteSino ang pumatay talaga kay RIZAL?
pls post lol
SINO ANG PUMATAY KAY RIZAL? SABIHIN MO. IPAALAM MO SA AMIN KUNG SINO? BAKA HINDI NAMIN ALAM.
ReplyDeleteHERE IS ABOUT GALILEO:
ReplyDeleteGalileo drew attention from the Roman Inquisition because of the manner in which he attempted to defend the "Copernican System" in his book Siderius Nuncius published in 1610. In it he challenged the Church’s traditional interpretation of the following passage from the Book of Joshua - "The sun rose; the sun set; the sun stopped at the command of Joshua" - which inferred that the sun moved around the earth and not vice versa.
Galileo asserted that it was "a fatal and very common mistake to stop always at the literal sense." In this he was correct, but where he erred was in his scientific proofs in support of the Copernican system, which were demonstrably wrong and inadequate. The Church drew support against Galileo from the works of other scientists such as Clavius and Francis Bacon. As the scientific debate was inconclusive, the Church saw no reason at the time to change its interpretation of the Book of Joshua.
Galileo was condemned as a heretic for his obstinence and placed under house arrest. It is patently untrue that he was ever tortured or placed in prison. The Pope at the time remained friendly towards him and actually granted him a life-time pension in 1632, and his blessing on his death-bed in 1642.
As a final point, it is noteworthy that the conclusive proofs for the Copernican System were actually developed by scientists who belonged to the Jesuits, free from any form of harassment or discouragement from the Church.
GALILEO DIED A FAITHFUL CATHOLIC AND IS BURIED IN A CATHOLIC BASILICA.
WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH NEWTON? WHAT DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DO TO NEWTON THAT YOU FIND DISGUSTING?
ReplyDeleteFATHER! lagyan mo naman ng source ano kaba?
ReplyDeleteAKALA ko your so genius na sa History.. why call me an ignorant?
Di mo nga alam kung sino pumatay kay Rizal.. pagaaralan mo muna ang Philippine History bago kay Rizal..
wooo .. MAHINA KA pa FATHER..
It's pointless to debate with fanatics. They don't use logic. They use emotions like anger, hatred and envy. They have the tendency to kill their opponents just to defend their fanaticism. Observe the behavior of Manolistas during the public debate. You can witness their unchristian behavior. If Islam which was founded by Mohammed who claimed to have received the message from an angel produces fanaticism, how much more with INC founded by a person who claimed to be an angel?
ReplyDeleteHay, Father Abe.
ReplyDeleteGanyan talaga ang mga INC members. Insecure sila sa kanilang pananampalataya kasi hindi nila alam kung ano ba talaga ang itinuturo ng kanilang ministro.
They resort to ad hominem attacks rather than answer direct to the point. Thay ask for a formal debate yet in an informal debate they can't even defend the doctrines of their pseudo-church. Thay ask for a public debate yet the internet is more public than a public debate.
If you hit the proverbial nail, they resort to tactics. A friend of mine have cornerd an INC in an email exchange where the INC cannot defend a point of their doctrine. What did this INC do? He called the office of my friend and pretend a supplier then issued verbal assault to the receptionist when his call was not picked up by my friend. Look at the manner of these INCs and they said they are saved.
As for Philippine history, move out of the thinking box. Grow-up for the anti-friar propaganda of Rizal, del Pilar, etc. Read this article from the historian Ambeth Ocampo.
http://filipinokastila.tripod.com/anti.html
Question to the INCs: If the Spaniards did not came to the Philippines, will it be a Christian country or a Muslim country? Please remember that Mindanao is already under the Muslim. It is very simple, if the Spaniards did not came and brought Christianity, the INC will be inexistent. =)
ReplyDeleteAs for Rizal, he is a friend of the Jesuits which are not friars.
ReplyDeletehttp://dapitan.com/rizalsadapitaninsert.htm
http://withonespast.wordpress.com/2009/01/20/prof-restie-ramos-take-on-the-retraction-controversy/
Administrator :
ReplyDeleteThey resort to ad hominem attacks rather than answer direct to the point. Thay ask for a formal debate yet in an informal debate they can't even defend the doctrines of their pseudo-church. Thay ask for a public debate yet the internet is more public than a public debate.
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The INC suffered worse from catholics during its humble beginnings. The ad hominem attacks you are saying are nothing compared to what catholics did to the INC.Too bad for the catholics, they could no longer easily mock the INC as they have done before.
Is this a more public venue for you? How about a debate in the plaza while it is being broadcast over the television? That sounds more public to me.
[GALILEO DIED A FAITHFUL CATHOLIC AND IS BURIED IN A CATHOLIC BASILICA.]
ReplyDeleteSo what if you buried galileo in your basilica? You also made some people as saints after you have prosecuted them to death. That doesn't take away the sins of the catholic church.
Administrator:
ReplyDeleteIf the Spaniards did not came to the Philippines, will it be a Christian country or a Muslim country? Please remember that Mindanao is already under the Muslim. It is very simple, if the Spaniards did not came and brought Christianity, the INC will be inexistent. =)
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Catholics are not christians. It is a pagan church. Go to Quiapo during their so called feast of the black nazarene and you will see what I'm saying.
Mr. Abe, could you give your reference with regards to your post about Galileo? People like me would like to verify the credibility of your source (if even you used a source).
ReplyDeletedi ba iisa lang ang ama nating Diyos, hindi naman kita biological father, bakit ka nagpapatawag na father? he he he
ReplyDelete"The INC suffered worse from catholics during its humble beginnings. The ad hominem attacks you are saying are nothing compared to what catholics did to the INC.Too bad for the catholics, they could no longer easily mock the INC as they have done before."
ReplyDeleteSuffered what??? I believe it is the other way around. The Catholic Church has been persecuted ever since by the INC, by communists, by Nazis, and agnostics ever since it was established.
"Is this a more public venue for you? How about a debate in the plaza while it is being broadcast over the television? That sounds more public to me."
You called for a debate in a plaza??? Wow!!! Yet what did you co-members did to the Pentecostals during a recent debate. Binugbog nila. Tsk. tsk.
"Catholics are not christians. It is a pagan church. Go to Quiapo during their so called feast of the black nazarene and you will see what I'm saying."
ReplyDeleteReally!!! Mere assertions doesn't prove anything. The Quiapo festivities is a form of devotion and in what manner is it pagan. Prove it.
"So what if you buried galileo in your basilica? You also made some people as saints after you have prosecuted them to death. That doesn't take away the sins of the catholic church."
ReplyDeleteSo, the INC is a sinless church?
AGAINST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ON GALILEO CASE. WHAT DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DO TO GALILEO THAT YOU FOUND SO OFFENSIVE? HOW ABOUT NEWTON? WHAT DID WE DO TO NEWTON?
ReplyDeleteYOU ARE NOT PROVIDING EVIDENCES ON YOUR CLAIMS AND YET YOU WANT ME TO PROVINE ONE. DO IT FIRST BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ACCUSING PARTY.
NOW, YOU ARE SAYING THAT A BIOLOGICAL FATHER CAN BE CALLED 'FATHER'. HOWABOUT ABRAHAM THE FATHER OF MANY NATIONS... IS HE YOUR BIOLOGICAL FATHER?
ReplyDeleteSuffered what??? I believe it is the other way around. The Catholic Church has been persecuted ever since by the INC, by communists, by Nazis, and agnostics ever since it was established.
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Persecuted eversince by the INC? Were you just born yesterday? The INC is just 95 years old in the Philippines. During the INC's humble beginnings it suffered a lot of persecution from catholics, verbal and physical. I don't have to convince you, a fanatic catholic because as far as knowing the truth, I am a witness to how you persecuted INC members.
If ever you are experiencing the same from a few INC members today, it is maybe what can be called as payback time.
The Galileo Affair
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/science/sc0043.html
Really!!! Mere assertions doesn't prove anything. The Quiapo festivities is a form of devotion and in what manner is it pagan. Prove it.
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Devotion? or idolatry?
SO BASED ON WIKIPEDIA WHAT CRIME DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AGAINST GALILEO? DID WE MURDER HIM? WAS HE TORTURED?
ReplyDeleteMr. Abe,
ReplyDeleteYou don't seem very humble when you talk, coming from a "man of God". And you lack respect when you call members of the INC "manolistas". It is not Iglesia ni Manalo. duhh. You are mocking the INC. Even though you are being attacked you should not be quick to temper. Dude,relax. Be humble. Get your point across through textual evidence and NOT WRITING IN CAPS AND CALLING NAMES LIKE
[AN IGLESIA NI CRISTO ANIMAL LIKE YOU HAS NO RIGHT TO THIS BLOG]
That is no class at all.
"Persecuted eversince by the INC? Were you just born yesterday? The INC is just 95 years old in the Philippines. During the INC's humble beginnings it suffered a lot of persecution from catholics, verbal and physical. I don't have to convince you, a fanatic catholic because as far as knowing the truth, I am a witness to how you persecuted INC members."
ReplyDeleteMe, a fanatic?? Wow. A fanatic is one who believes a purported propaganda without looking if it is indeed true. A fanatic is a person who does not consult both sides. I ask you when you converted, did you ask person knowledgeable about the Catholic faith or you just accepted the INC ministers presentation of the Catholic faith. Remember that an information coming from a competitor is always bias. =)
"If ever you are experiencing the same from a few INC members today, it is maybe what can be called as payback time."
Hmmm. payback time, eh.... when did Christ taught that. St. Paul said that if you have discussions with non-believers, keep it simple and humble. where is the payback time there. Tsk. tsk. and you call yourself a christian.
[YOU ARE NOT PROVIDING EVIDENCES ON YOUR CLAIMS AND YET YOU WANT ME TO PROVINE ONE. DO IT FIRST BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ACCUSING PARTY.]
ReplyDeleteJust google it and you will find those evidences. The only evidences that favor your side are the catholic version of history.
"Devotion? or idolatry?"
ReplyDeleteDefine idolatry. What constitutes an idolatrous act.
Me, a fanatic?? Wow. A fanatic is one who believes a purported propaganda without looking if it is indeed true. A fanatic is a person who does not consult both sides. I ask you when you converted, did you ask person knowledgeable about the Catholic faith or you just accepted the INC ministers presentation of the Catholic faith. Remember that an information coming from a competitor is always bias. =)
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And your description fits you perfectly.
Yes I am examining the catholic faith just I am examining the INC faith. How about you?
Hmmm. payback time, eh.... when did Christ taught that. St. Paul said that if you have discussions with non-believers, keep it simple and humble. where is the payback time there. Tsk. tsk. and you call yourself a christian.
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Why can't you call me a christian if you can call your bad mouthing father abe a christian?
Catholic version of history.... kaninong version of history ang gagamitin mo. Yung kay Lorraine Boettner na ginagamit ng INC? Eh rubbish yun. Spin doctoring ang history na iyun.
ReplyDeleteAlam mo punta ka sa Classic Christian Ethreal Library. Doon may history na sinulat ng Protestant na si Philip Schaff, maayos yun. O kaya hanapin mo yung history na sinulat ni Jaroslav Pelikan, isang Lutheran na naging Orthodox. Hindi kung anu-anong history ang pinagkukuhanan ninyo.
Define idolatry. What constitutes an idolatrous act.
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idolatry
- the religious worship of idols
- excessive or blind adoration, reverence,
devotion etc.
"And your description fits you perfectly.
ReplyDeleteYes I am examining the catholic faith just I am examining the INC faith. How about you?"
You put a smile on me. Are you really examining Catholicism? What you wrote is an oxymoron. It is more of you have already made up your mind. Hahaha. I have been examining the INC during my high school days, I listen to their program in radio and subscribe in Pasugo. That is why I know the tactics of the INC ministers. How they twist the passage to support their claims. Why not obtain a copy of Catholic books used by your ministers and see the quote taken out of context.
"Why can't you call me a christian if you can call your bad mouthing father abe a christian?"
ReplyDeleteDi ba you have called us "pagan" since you have said the Catholic Church is a "pagan" church. So, what do you expect of a "pagan"?
Now, you want us to accept you as a true christian? Then show us "pagans" how does true christians dialogue with "pagans". Hindi ba nagbagong buhay ka na bilang miyembro ng Iglesia ni Cristo. So ipakita mo sa amin ang sinasabi mong pagbabagong buhay mo.
"idolatry
ReplyDelete- the religious worship of idols"
Define an idol.
"- excessive or blind adoration, reverence,
devotion etc."
suspect rin kayo dito kasi sobra ang ginagawa ninyo kay FYM. =)
Anonymous: "So what if you buried galileo in your basilica? You also made some people as saints after you have prosecuted them to death. That doesn't take away the sins of the catholic church."
ReplyDeleteKapatas: Pls. enumerate those saints you are talking about. Are you referring to St. Joan of Arc? Give me a break. Study your history more. At maglabas ka ng ebidensya kung pwede. Nagkakalat ka lang ng kasinungalingan eh. Exo 23:1 (Ang Biblia) Huwag kang magkakalat ng kasinungalingan: huwag kang makikipagkayari sa masama, na maging saksi kang sinungaling.
Anonymous: mapunta naman tayo kay RIZAL FATHER?
ReplyDeleteSino ang pumatay talaga kay RIZAL? pls post lol
KAPATAS: FYI, pari at hindi ministro ni Manalo ang kasama ni Rizal pagmartsa nya sa bagumbayan bago sya barilin. So panong totoo ang hinuha mo na simbahan ang nagpapatay sa kanya? ""Mga 6:30 ng umaga, tumunog ang trumpeta sa Fuerza Santiago, hudyat para simulan ang pagmartsa sa Bagumbayan, kung saan bibitayin si Rizal. Apat na sundalong may ripleng de-bayoneta ang nangunguna sa martsa. Nasa likuran nila si Rizal na payapang naglalakad, nasa gitna siya ng kanyang tagapagtanggol (Ten. Luis Taviel de Andrade) at dalawang Heswitang pari (Padre march at Padre Vilaclara)." Ref: Zaide, Gregorio & Sonia. Jose Rizal. All-Nations Publishing Co, Inc., 1999, p. 330
Anonymous: FATHER! lagyan mo naman ng source ano kaba?AKALA ko your so genius na sa History.. why call me an ignorant?Di mo nga alam kung sino pumatay kay Rizal.. pagaaralan mo muna ang Philippine History bago kayRizal..wooo .. MAHINA KA pa FATHER..
ReplyDeleteKAPATAS: Ikaw itong mahina eh. Daldal ka ng daldal ni katiting na reperensya wala kang mailitaw. nasan ang referensya mo na Catholic Church ang nagpapatay kay Rizal? Panis na laway lang yang puhunan mo tapos umaasa ka pa na se-seryosohin ka namin? Humihingi ka pa ng source? Di kami tulad nyo na garapal mangsitas sa pahayag ng iba. Kayo eh notoryus na sa out of context at chop-chop na paninipi ng teksto. Di ba binalasubas nyo si Dr. Ryrie? Then later may natuklasan ako na kahit si St. Montfort eh sinalaula nyo na rin.
Anonymous: hahah pikon kana lol
ReplyDeletekawawa ka naman..
IGNORANTE PALA ANG PARI NA TO!
KC SABI NYA CATHOLICO DAW.. ANG NAGSUPPORT sa PALALAYAG NYA SA KARAGATAN ni MAGELLAN
ANO KAYA ANG SASABIHIN NG MGA STUDYANTE PAG NA BASA NILA TO,
pikon
KAPATAS: Eh alangan namang iglesia ni manalo ang nagsponsor sa paglalayag ni Magellan eh bagong imbento lang yang relihiyon nyo? Mas katawa-tawang proposisyon yan
Dear Kapatas,
ReplyDeleteThank you very much for your defense of the Catholic Faith.
I think they are forgetting the fact that Magellan is a Catholic and together with him in that expedition were Augustinian priests. And these Catholic priests belonging to the Augustinian Order were able to return to Spain and became part of the original witnesses to the world that indeed the Earth is round. THUS, THOSE WHO PROVED BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT THAT THE WORLD IS ROUND ARE CATHOLICS. The one who founded the Expedition was the Spanish Monarchy which is also very Catholic.
HOW ABOUT THE IGLESIA NI MANALO, WHAT SCIENTIFIC TRUTH DID THEY CONTRIBUTED TO THE WORLD?
PADRE!
ReplyDeletepde esali mo ang proposal ni magellan sa catholic,? penayagan ba xa?
At sa nagsabi na d pa daw na prove na pagan follower kayo.. pake sabi pader.. alam mo yan lol
PADER!
ReplyDeletekailan pa ba ng reference.. e, reference namin ayw nyo sang ayunan e.. d naman galing sa amin sa inyo pa nga yan galing halos reference namin..
at inembetihan ka pala ni RESBAK.COM
dito po pader o.. parang interesting maxado..
http://resbak.com/blog/category/religion/roman-catholic-church/
Yong proposal ni MAgellan gusto ko malaman.. lagyan mo ng source,
ReplyDeletePinayagan ba xa? ng POPE sa spain?
buong detalye PADER! lol
at isa pader ang ang email nyo mali ata e..
ReplyDeletenag email ako sayo.. d daw makita sa yahoo server? ewan ko kung ang connection ang mali or d ka lang talaga marunong lol
>>Eh alangan namang iglesia ni manalo ang nagsponsor sa paglalayag ni Magellan eh bagong imbento lang yang relihiyon nyo? Mas katawa-tawang proposisyon yan<<
ReplyDeleteang CATHOLIC talaga nagsponsor pader?! lol
You are the one refuting my assertion so you have to provide your arguments properly. WHAT IS THAT MAGELLAN'S PROPOSAL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
ReplyDeleteWHY DID THE POPE PROHIBITED MAGELLAN TO GO TO SPAIN? HOW COME MAGELLAN WENT TO SPAIN? THE MAGELLAN EXPEDITION IS SPONSORED BY THE MONARCHY OF SPAIN WHICH WAS VERY CATHOLIC.
WHAT IS THE CONTRIBUTION OF INC IN SCIENCE? IS THERE ANY?
THE SPONSORS ARE CATHOLICS. THOSE WHO FUNDED THE EXPEDITION ARE CATHOLICS. THE LEADER AND MEMBERS OF EXPEDITION ARE CATHOLICS. CATHOLIC PRIESTS ARE PART OF THE EXPEDITION. SO, WHAT ARE THEY... IGLESIA NI MANALO?
ReplyDeleteYou put a smile on me. Are you really examining Catholicism? What you wrote is an oxymoron. It is more of you have already made up your mind. Hahaha. I have been examining >>the INC during my high school days, I listen to their program in radio and subscribe in Pasugo. That is why I know the tactics of the INC ministers. How they twist the passage to support their claims. Why not obtain a copy of Catholic books used by your ministers and see the quote taken out of context.<<
ReplyDeletetotoo kaya to pader? kung nag examine xa talaga.. bakit ayaw nya maniwla sa Bible na PAGANS FOLLOWER TALGA KAYO? PAGANS FOLLOWER TALAGA KAYO PADER.. dba? ikaw na nga magpaliwanag.. sinali mo pa si LAPU2 e halos sing tulad naman yan sa sabi ng Bible e..
lol, wala daw nag propose c magellan??? lol
ReplyDeleteTHE SPONSORS ARE CATHOLICS. THOSE WHO FUNDED THE EXPEDITION ARE CATHOLICS. THE LEADER AND MEMBERS OF EXPEDITION ARE CATHOLICS. CATHOLIC PRIESTS ARE PART OF THE EXPEDITION. SO, WHAT ARE THEY... IGLESIA NI MANALO?<<
ReplyDeletesa inyo yan pader! yan ang hirap sa inyo e..
conclusion kayo agad!..
WHAT IS THAT PROPOSAL? GIVE IT.
ReplyDeleteALAM mo bang sobra napaka ignorante mo pader kala ko .. genius kana sa history! ne kay magellan wala ka!.. BALIK ka muna High school pader!
ReplyDeletelol .. yaw ko nga.. ang hirap magtype sa wala pader.. magpakatanga nalang kayo! lol
magtanong2 ka nalang sa mga professor sa history about kay magellan.. segurado marami kang kaibigan jan lol
THIS MANOLISTA KEEPS ON CLAIMING SOMETHING YET HE DOESN'T WANT TO STATE HIS CLAIMS. WHAT KIND OF ARGUMENTATION IS THAT? WHAT KIND OF REASONING IS THAT? HE IS ASKING HIS OPPONENT TO PROVIDE THE PROOF FOR HIS CLAIMS. HE, HE, HE...
ReplyDeleteMAY BE THAT IS THE MANALO PROPOSAL. ANGELIC PROPOSAL. HE, HE, HE...
waw ... nag conclusion agad c pader.. EXCELLENT! lol
ReplyDeleteSO, WHAT IS THE PROPOSAL? GIVE THE PROPOSAL THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE IS NO PROPOSAL, I'M SIMPLY ASKING YOU TO PROVIDE US WITH THAT PARTICULAR PROPOSAL OF MAGELLAN.
ReplyDeleteOF COURSE WE HAVE TO EXAMINE YOUR CLAIM AND THE DOCUMENT. IT COULD BE A MARRIAGE PROPOSAL OR ENGAGEMENT PROPOSAL OR A BUSINESS PROPOSAL. HE, HE, HE...
ito nalang pader! conclusion ka agad e! wala nga ang buong story tinapos mo na!
ReplyDeletetimothy 4:1,3
But the Spirit says expressly that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,
through the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron;
forbidding marriage and commanding to abstinence from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
sinong tinutukoy na RELIGION jan pader?! pake list
YOU AND THE MANALOS. YOU WERE THE ONES WHO APPEARED IN LATER TIMES. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DIDN'T APPEAR LATER. IT APPEARED EARLIER THAN ALL OF YOU. THAT IS WHY YOUR CLAIM FOR MANALO IS: 'SUGO SA HULING PANAHON'. HE APPEARED IN THE LATER TIMES AND IS TRYING TO DECEIVE PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE ORIGINAL CHRISTIAN RELIGION.
ReplyDeleteSO, SALPOK SA INYO YAN!
NOW, WHAT IS THE MAGELLAN PROPOSAL AGAIN, PLEASE? WHAT IS THE INC CONTRIBUTION TO SCIENCE? WHO IS YOUR SCIENTIST?
FORBIDDING MARRIAGE. HA, HA, HA... WE HAVE MILLIONS OF MARRIAGES MORE THAN YOU HOW CAN YOU CLAIM THAT WE ARE FORBIDDING MARRIAGE? YOU ARE MAKING ME LAUGH.
ReplyDeleteWE EAT ALL FOODS FOR SALE IN THE MARKET! THE BIGGEST MEAT CONSUMER IN THE PHILIPPINES ARE CATHOLICS.
WHAT IS THE MAGELLAN PROPOSAL AGAIN?
ReplyDeleteYOU ARE RUNNING AWAY FROM THAT HA. MAGELLAN PROPOSAL?
YOU AND THE MANALOS. YOU WERE THE ONES WHO APPEARED IN LATER TIMES. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DIDN'T APPEAR LATER. IT APPEARED EARLIER THAN ALL OF YOU. THAT IS WHY YOUR CLAIM FOR MANALO IS: 'SUGO SA HULING PANAHON'. HE APPEARED IN THE LATER TIMES AND IS TRYING TO DECEIVE PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE ORIGINAL CHRISTIAN RELIGION.
ReplyDelete>>
SUPER ang LAYO pader?? sino ba my aral na pinagbabawal ang pagaasawa? at pagbabawal pagkain ng karne?
ang LAYO pader!..
grabe naman yang conclusion mo... nakakatawa ka
WE ARE NOT PROHIBITING MARRIAGE. WE HAVE MORE MARRIAGES THAN THE IGLESIA NI MANALO. AND WE LOVE MEAT. WE EAT LECHON: LECHON KAWALI, LECHON DE LECHE. HE, HE, HE...
ReplyDeleteWHO APPEARED IN THE LATER TIMES? KATOLIKO OR MANALO? HE, HE, HE...
ReplyDeleteWHAT IS THE MAGELLAN PROPOSAL?
ouch! ako ang nauna.. wala pa kay magellan.. d mo pa na sinabi ang pagka PAGAN mo..
ReplyDeletesure ? d talaga pinagbabawal? e anong ung kurisma o mahal na araw? bakit d ka nag aasawa? pader lol
ReplyDeleteME PAGAN? I AM A CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC. CATHOLICISM IS THE BIGGEST AND THE OLDEST BRANCH OF CHRISTIANITY. YOU CAN LOOK AT ALL ENCYCLOPEDIAS ON THAT. EVEN THE CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA. HA, HA,HA... EVEN IN ENCYCLOPEDIA MANOLISTA, IF THERE IS. HA, HA, HA...
ReplyDeleteWHY I DIDN'T GET MARRIED? BECAUSE I WANT TO FOLLOW THE EXAMPLES OF JESUS, OF ST. PAUL, OF ST. JOHN, OF ST. ANDREW, OF ST. JAMES, ETC. WHO DIDN'T MARRY. IT IS OUR CHOICE, NOT PROHIBITION.
WHY IS MANALO MARRIED TWICE? WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE? WHERE IS MANALO IN THE BIBLE?
NOW, WHAT IS THE MAGELLAN PROPOSAL? WHO ARE YOUR INC SCIENTISTS?
MAHAL NA ARAW... IS THAT YOUR PROBLEM. WE SIMPLY PREFER NOT TO EAT MEAT FOR A WHILE DURING THOSE DAYS. WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH THAT?
ReplyDeleteWHY DO YOU EAT MEAT EVERY MEAL AND ALL THE TIME AND ALL THE DAYS? HE, HE, HE... WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS THAT IT IS NOT PROHIBITED. IF A CATHOLIC WANTS TO EAT MEAT DURING MAHAL NA ARAW... WHO CAN PROHIBIT HIM? NO ONE.
EVEN DURING HOLY WEEK, CATHOLICS ARE SELLING AND BUYING MEAT. SO, WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?
WE LOVE NILAGANG BAKA, FRIED CHICKEN... PUREFOODS HAM, SWIFT HAM... EVEN COCO JAM... HA, HA, HA...
1 Maliwanag ang sinasabi ng Espiritu na sa mga huling araw ay iiwan ng ilan ang pananampalataya. Susunod sila sa mga mapanlinlang na espiritu at sa mga katuruan ng mga demonyo. 2 Ang mga katuru- ang ito'y pinalalaganap ng mga taong sinungaling at may mga manhid na budhi. 3 Ipinagbabawal nila ang pag-aasawa at ang ilang uri ng pagkain, mga pagkaing nilikha ng Diyos upang kaining may pasasalamat ng mga mananampalataya at nakakaunawa ng katotohanan. 4 Ang lahat ng nilikha ng Diyos ay mabuti at walang dapat ipalagay na masama; sa halip ay dapat tanggaping may pagpapasalamat 5 sapagkat ang mga ito'y nililinis ng salita ng Diyos at ng panalangin.
ReplyDeletesource:
http://www.angbiblia.net/1_timoteo4.aspx
sino yan pader? kame? lol
[WHY I DIDN'T GET MARRIED? BECAUSE I WANT TO FOLLOW THE EXAMPLES OF JESUS, OF ST. PAUL, OF ST. JOHN, OF ST. ANDREW, OF ST. JAMES, ETC. WHO DIDN'T MARRY. IT IS OUR CHOICE, NOT PROHIBITION.]
opss! basahin mo na sa taas contra maxado pader! ambisyoso ka maxado..
[WHY IS MANALO MARRIED TWICE? WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE? WHERE IS MANALO IN THE BIBLE?]
Pinagsabay ba pader?
at saan na ang karne? o kurisma? cguro ang sagot mo kc baboy kana! lol
ang pagkain pader! hindi ang magbenta!
ReplyDeleteanong klcng sagot yan.. sino nakakatawa sa atin ngaun?
aral nyo yan pader.. bilang isang pari ay meron kaung tinatawag na ewan ko lol..
ReplyDeletebilang isang pari d dapat magaasawa d yan gaya ng sabi mo.. na [IT IS OUR CHOICE, NOT PROHIBITION.]
mag ingat baka ma kick ka lol
WE ARE NOT PROHIBITING MEAT. CATHOLICS ARE EATING MEAT. SO IT DOESN'T APPLY TO US. WE ARE EATING E. IS IT STATED IN THE TEXT THAT 'THEY WILL ABSTAIN FROM MEAT DURING HOLY WEEK'? HE, HE, HE... YOU ARE STRETCHING THE TEXT THE MANALO WAY.
ReplyDeleteSINO ANG MASAMANG ESPIRITU NA NANLINLANG SA HULING ARAW? WHO IS THAT EVIL SPIRIT WHO DECEIVED SOME ON THE LATTER DAYS? FELIX MANALO! YOU STATED IT YOURSELF: "SUGO SA HULING PANAHON!" AND HE WAS ABLE TO DECEIVE 'SOME'... NOT ALL... ANG ILAN... HE, HE, HE....
wooo tingnan mo ang mga conclusion ni PADRE DAMASO.. over super..
ReplyDeleteWE ARE NOT PROHIBITING MEAT. CATHOLICS ARE EATING MEAT. SO IT DOESN'T APPLY TO US. WE ARE EATING E. IS IT STATED IN THE TEXT THAT 'THEY WILL ABSTAIN FROM MEAT DURING HOLY WEEK'? HE, HE, HE... YOU ARE STRETCHING THE TEXT THE MANALO WAY. <<<
anong HEHEHE? padre DAMASO
yan ang answer mo? lol
I AM VERY SURE THAT I WILL NOT BE KICKED BECAUSE OUR DECISION TO BE SINGLE FOR CHRIST IS OUR VOLUNTARY AND PERSONAL DECISION. IF I WANT TO GET MARRIED I CAN GET MARRIED NOW. ACTUALLY SOME CATHOLIC PRIESTS DECIDED TO GET MARRIED SO THEY ARE WITH THEIR NEW FAMILIES. BUT, WE DECIDED TO OFFER OURSELVES TO CHRIST.
ReplyDeleteCHRIST IS NOT MARRIED. AND HE DIDN'T LET HIS SON TO BE EXECUTIVE MNISTER, UNLIKE MANALO. MAS GARAPAL PA NGA ANG MGA MANALO KASI PATI APO AY VICE EXECUTIVE. WERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE? THAT THE SON OF THE ANGEL FROM FAR EAST WILL SERVE AS EXECUTIVE MINISTER OF THE CHURCH? WHERE?
PADER DAMASO tingnan mo nga ang mga sagot mo.. ang LAYO masyado,
ReplyDeletebaka kala mo wala tayo sa net.. maraming babasa nyan lol
GO lang PADRE DAMASO.. RECORDED lol
ReplyDeletePEKENG ANGEL! ANGHEL NA BUMAGSAK SA LUPA!
ReplyDeletePADRE DAMASO.. pano ko maintindhan yan mga sagot mo..
ReplyDeletepde ilabas mo na yong mga aral nyo sa Kurisma at d pagaasawa dba nasa libro nyo yan pake post naman nakakatawa ka.
WELL, THEY KNOW THAT WE EAT MEAT SO YOUR ARGUMENTS WILL SLAP ON YOUR FACE. HE, HE,HE...
ReplyDeleteTHEY ALSO KNOW THAT MARRIAGES ARE NOT PROHIBITED IN THE CHURCH SO YOUR ACCUSATION IS BASELESS. HE, HE, HE...
THE READERS ALSO KNOW THAT IT WAS MANALO WHO APPEARED ON THE 'HULING PANAHON' AND THE ONE WHO DECEIVED SOME. HE, HE, HE...
YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE RETURNING TO YOU.
at tapos basahin mo yan sa 1 timothy 4:1,3
ReplyDeleteKAMPON NG PEKENG ANGHEL NA IBINAGSAK SA LUPA! ANGHEL NA ANG ANAK AY EXECUTIVE MINISTER NG IGLESIA. SAAN YON SA BIBLIA?
ReplyDeleteSINONG APOSTOLES ANG NAGLAGAY SA ANAK NILA BILANG EXECUTIVE MINISTER NG IGLESIA? MAY ANAK BA SI CRISTO AYON SA LAMAN? MAY ANAK BA SI CRISTO SA IKALAWANG ASAWA?
ReplyDeleted mo ka naman kailan .. ng reference.. alam mo naman yan.. sino kaya nakakatawa talaga sa atin..
ReplyDeleteTAWAGIN mo na lahat ang mga SANTO ninyo sino kaya nasa KAMPON sa DEMONYO PADRE DAMASO
woooo bakit dito ka nagtatanong yan? lol
ReplyDeletewalang common sense.. gamitin mo ang mga paa mo lol
gamitin mo ang mga teknolohiya mo.. COMMON SENSE PADRE DAMASO
ANG DEMONYO AY ANG MGA ANGHEL NA BINAGSAK SA LUPA [cf. Rev 12:9]. THEN PAUL SAID THAT SATAN IS TRANSFORMED INTO AN ANGEL OF LIGHT. IN TAGALOG, MAGKUKUNWARING ANGHEL NG KALIWANAGAN.
ReplyDeleteSINONG LEADER NG RELIHIYON ANG NAGKUKUNWARING ANGHEL? WHO AMONG THE RELIGIOUS LEADERS ARE CLAIMING HIMSELF TO BE AN ANGHEL? SI MANALO DI BA? IT'S FELIX Y. MANALO!
meron address padre DAMASO dito o
ReplyDeletehttp://www.net-25.com/live.html
4-5pm if d ako nagkakamali para sa inyo yan
tingnan mo ang address na benigay don ka magtanong..
PAGANS FOLLOWERS wooo LONG LIVE! lol
ReplyDeleteHINDI AKO PADRE DAMASO... HE, HE, HE... KUNDI GOMBURZA!!! HA, HA, HA...
ReplyDeleteSI MANALO NAGING TUTA NG MGA HAPON!
GOMBURZA baka mo.. GOM BUBU KA?
ReplyDeleteikaw ang ignorante sa history.. lol
studyante lang ang katapat mo.. low level ka..
lol
PAGAN FOLLOWERS LONG LIVE! lol
ReplyDeleteWHAT IS THE MAGELLAN PROPOSAL? WHO ARE THE INC SCIENTIESTS? HE, HE, HE... SHOW YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF HISTORY. C'MON!
ReplyDeleteBAKIT MANOLISTA BA ANG GOMBURZA? DI BA FILIPINO CATHOLICS YON? IM A FILIPINO AND A CATHOLIC, SO PAREHO KAMI.
ReplyDeleteWHAT IS THE MAGELLAN PROPOSAL? WHO ARE THE INC SCIENTISTS?
wooooo tingnan mo.. sinabi ko bang my scientist kame.. yan ang hirap sa inyo.. conclude kau ng conclude .. ipakita mo yang pagkababoy mo.. sa publiko.. wag dito,. takot ka ba.. kung DYOS ka.. patuyan mo.. sa harap ng mga tao.. d ka formal makipagtalastasan about sa bible e. dito lang hanggan,
ReplyDeleteGO.. TO FORMAL DEBATE Hindi ADNORMAL DEBATE
lol PADRE DAMASO LOW LEVEL
PAGAN FOLLOWERS LONG LIVE! lol
COMMON nga jan PADRE DAMASO .. kung meron nga.. sa palagay mo sino kaUSAP or ka abnormal debate mo ngaun parang kang bata.. na walang pinagaralan ..
ReplyDeletePADRE DAMASO.. alam mo yan kanta na yan lol, opss sabhin mo naman sa amin yan? .. lol
correct ko lang ung "Kung Dyos ka" - "Kung my Dyos ka"
ReplyDeleteat ung "COMMON" - "COMMON SENSE"
baka ano naman yan sabhin ni padre damaso..
walang ka common2 sense e..
halatang low level lang ,, PARI = STUDENT? woooooooooo., lol
PAGAN FOLLOWERS LONG LIVE! lol
DEBATE PALA. HOW COME ERANO MANALO REFUSED TO FACE ELI SORIANO IN A DEBATE? IF THE MANALOS ARE REALLY THAT GOOD HOW COME HE IS NOT DOING IT?
ReplyDeleteMARAMING SALAMAT KAMPON NG PEKENG ANGHEL.
ReplyDeleteDEBATE PALA. HOW COME ERANO MANALO REFUSED TO FACE ELI SORIANO IN A DEBATE? IF THE MANALOS ARE REALLY THAT GOOD HOW COME HE IS NOT DOING IT?<<<
ReplyDeletelumang storya!? bakit alam mo ba ang buong kwento.. yan talga hirap mo PADRE DAMASO e..
CONCLUSION ka agad.. bago ka magpost isipin mo muna para naman magkalaman tong blogs mo!
Sinali mo naman TAGA ADD? lol
WALA na yan..
IKAW PO HINDI ANG TAGA-ADD ang storya dito
COMMON SENSE PO.. PAKEUSAP... lol
WALANG COMMON SENSE SI PADRE DAMASO!
ReplyDeletePAGAN FOLLOWERS LONG LIVE! lol
MAY BE YOU KNOW THAT PADRE DAMASO AND FELIX MANALO HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON. THEY ARE BOTH ACCUSED OF MOLESTING WOMEN.
ReplyDeleteLONG LIVE THE FAKE ANGEL AND HIS FOLLOWERS!
ReplyDeleteo baka takot ka? lol
ReplyDeletewait takot kau sa ADD? lol
sino ngaun ang nakakatawa?
[LONG LIVE THE FAKE ANGEL AND HIS FOLLOWERS!]
tingnan mo parang bata hahahaha
TIP: TAWAGAIN mo na lahat na kilala mong SANTO..
PAGAN FOLLOWERS LONG LIVE! lol
inembetahan ka dba? ni
ReplyDeletehttp://resbak.com/
bisita ka nman pa minsan2 ,,
WALANG COMMON SENSE SI PADRE DAMASO
PAGAN FOLLOWERS LONG LIVE! lol
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THAT PADRE DAMASO IS A FICTIONAL CHARACTER BUT FELIX MANALO IS REAL AND HIS CASES ARE RECORDED IN COURTS' ARCHIVES. NOVEL AND COURTS' DOCUMENTS. VERY INTERESTING, ISN'T IT?
ReplyDeleteMAY BE YOU KNOW THAT PADRE DAMASO AND FELIX MANALO HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON. THEY ARE BOTH ACCUSED OF MOLESTING WOMEN.<<
ReplyDeletepatuyan mo! PADRE DAMASU..
GALING naman yan sa ADD? lol
woo ang galing ni PADRE DAMASO kung makasalita ang linis2 ng CATHOLIC..
ReplyDeletewoo idol..
FICTIONAL NOVEL VS. REAL DOCUMENTS. O HO...
ReplyDeleteyan ang hirap talaga sayo inyo e.. ang tiningnan nyo ang side namin..
ReplyDeleted mo man lang tiningnan ang side nyo, kahit kisap mata lang?
COMMON SENSE PO.. PADRE!
PARANG BATA SI PADRE DAMASO
imagine.. ginamit pa ang ADD para sa kanyang propagandang wala basehan?
wooo.. na pa HO? pa xa? hahaha
THE ACCUSATION AGAINST MANALO IS PUBLISHED IN PHILIPPINE GAZETTE WITH THE REAL LETTER OF ROSITA TRILLANES AND THE COURT'S STATEMENT.
ReplyDeleteTHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FICTION AND REALITY.
ANG LINIS NG MGA MANOLISTA ANO. NAPAKA LINIS. WALA SILANG PADRE DAMASO. MERON LANG ANGHEL NA NANGGAHASA DAW.
THE ACCUSATION AGAINST MANALO IS PUBLISHED IN PHILIPPINE GAZETTE WITH THE REAL LETTER OF ROSITA TRILLANES AND THE COURT'S STATEMENT.
ReplyDeleteTHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FICTION AND REALITY.
ilagay mo din ang Link ng ADD hahah
PADRE parang nakakahalta na ako sa iyo kanina ka pa sa harap ng comp mo,, baka meron ng magku2mpisal jan.. need ka nila.. kawawa naman.. dba na inyong kamay ang kaligtasan ? lol
THANKS BE TO GOD MY WORK TODAY IS IN MY OFFICE SO I CAN RESPOND TO YOU AS EASY AS I CAN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN ABOUT OUR WELL-BEING. HOW NICE OF YOU.
ReplyDeleteGODDESS OF PAGAN PO? lol
ReplyDeletekilala nyo po c ivatan bloger .. asan na yon? lol
ReplyDeletehttp://resbak.com/blog/2009/03/19/ivatan-blogger-ask-why-pay-for-priests-sex-abuse-settlement/#comments
ito po ung idol nyo.. C BADZ as BADING
ReplyDeleteidol nyo po dba po?
http://resbak.com/blog/2009/03/03/ask-bro-eli-the-most-sensible-preacher-does-not-make-sense/
[ANG LINIS NG MGA MANOLISTA ANO. NAPAKA LINIS. WALA SILANG PADRE DAMASO. MERON LANG ANGHEL NA NANGGAHASA DAW.]
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Bakit may "DAW"?
kc nga po.. galing ang impormasyo sa idol nila..
ReplyDeletena c badz? killa mo AKA ELLIE? lol