PASUGO, the official bulletin of the Iglesia ni Cristo cult founded by Felix Manalo directly refers to the Catholic Priests and Protestant Pastors as ministers of Satan.
In Filipino there is a perfect term for this contradictory teaching of Felix Manalo: PALPAK!
How do we translate it into English? There seems to be no exact translation... It could refer to person, or act, or things that gone awry. Here, it refers to the person and doctrine of the so-called 'Angel' Mr. Felix Y. Manalo.
Angel Manalo taught his disciples that the pastors of other religions not belonging to the one he personally established as ministers of Satan. That is a terrible accusation and a very unchristian remark on others. Yet, the fallen Angel and his cohorts are very strong about it.
The old invitation for the Laying on of Hands on Felix Y. Manalo. The document shows that Protestant Pastors were the honored guests and the one who laid hands on Manalo.
Then comes this document showing the invitation for the INC faithful to attend the laying on of hands to be performed on that fallen Angel so that he can assumed office as Executive Minister [an UNBIBLICAL TITLE]. Suprisingly, Protestant Pastors were summoned to do the honor of laying their hands on Mr. Manalo. Ho, ho, ho... Ministers of the Devil laying hands on a Fallen Angel on Earth. Striking isn't it?
Another old PASUGO stating that only those who were chosen by God by prophecy or by direct calling can imposed hands.
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I have one word for this straight-forward article: TUMPAK!
ReplyDeleteThank you Church Defender! God bless you and our brothers and sisters in the Middle East.
ReplyDeletenice copy/paste pader. If you have all of this info, what's stopping you from bringing this up in a debate with an INC minister? come on, you're not scared, are you?
ReplyDeleteHi to my friend, Church Defender AKA Ivatan Blogger ;)
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ReplyDeleteyou'll soon appear on my blog pader.
Recognition daw po ito sabi ng mga ministro. Sabi ng Biblia ay ordinasyon ang pagpapatong ng kamay.
ReplyDeletetruthcaster,
ReplyDeletewhy don't you yourself do the debating. hindi ba nasa "tunay" nga kayo. wag nyo sabihin na miyembro lang kayo kasi according to 1 Peter 3:15, always have an answer ready when you are called upon to account for your hope. Meaning bilang member alam mo dapat ang pananampalatayang kinasasndigan ng iyong pag-asa kaya hindi ministro lang kundi lahat dapat.
Unless yung hope nyo eh false hope pala.
After calling us Satanic, now they WANT US to ordain them!!!? I have heard this issue once but the Dating daan accuses the Catholic Church of laying hands. THis statement of ADD is such a lie.
ReplyDeletetruthcaster,
ReplyDeletefrom what you call you're self i surmise that you are a member of 'church of GOD international(ADD)'. if you are then of all people you should know that it is pointless to engage in so-called debates with the INC. the debate challenges between the ADD and the INC has been going on for years and nothing has not materialized, the INC even showing on youtube how an ADD 'manganagaral' backed out of the proposed debate for so-called security reasons, in the meantime the verse slinging and wordwar between the INC and ADD escalated that both has shows in their respective t.v programs to vilify the other, the ADD has the EXMEN program (short for exmanalista) composed of former INC while the INC has their own ANG TAMANG DAAN with former ADD members explaining to the viewing public all the so-called wrongs of the ADD. not only this, the INC and ADD bring lawsuits against each other!and i haved watched some of this debates and all i can see is lack of christian charity of the debate opponents with each other. the catholic church wishes to be above such petty squablings for all it brings is hurt and disharmony.now of course when called upon to defend it's beliefs and doctrines it will do so without reservation, one can feel free to challenge and questions it's beliefs and catholic apologist will do their best to give one a satisfying answer. one can read the amount of hostility fr. abes blog about the 95th anniv. of the INC so one can not expect to have a reasonable debate with them.we are already in the information age and each religious organization has websites explaining their beliefs, catholic, ADD, INC, ETC. ETC and also websites that that are against them, so that any rasonable man with an open mind can judge for himself witch religion has the truth.
and lastly may we always remember the words of peter to defend or beliefs' WITH RESPECT AND GENTLENESS'
You are just scared. Probably you have watched the debate between Karl Keating of Catholic answers and J. Ventilacion of INC and that you realized after watching that no one among you is capable of defending your faith in a formal debate.
ReplyDeleteananymous,
ReplyDeleteyes i haved watched the debate between karl keating and mr. j. ventilacion because that debate in it's entirety is available in catholic answers, also mr. keatings article on the dabate titled 'in the maw of the cult' also on catholic answers. but i dont agree with you that mr.keating lost that debate, anyway if someone wants to get a copy of the debate between mr. keating and mr.ventilacion it is available in catholic answers.what i'm only trying to point out is this so called debates causes only rancour and ill-feelings because mostly both sides has already made up their mind. and again you only have to read the amount of vitriol and ad hominem fr. abe's blog on the INC 95TH anniv. recieved ,witch i hope the irony is not lost upon our INC brethren, because the INC also spends time in their t.v program at net25 to disagree on catholic doctrines, so don't the INC expect the catholic church to reply in kind? anyway like i said you can ask any catholic apologist questions regarding catholic doctrines and you as a rational person can make an informed judgement. if you do not agree with the answers given to you it is alright, at least you have heard what the catholic church truly teaches.if i may be bold to suggest, i think what we need in this day of fractured and divided christianity is dialogue, we may not agree on religious doctrine but we can be civil and polite to one another as human beings and being members of the same family... the human family....
PEACE AND SHALOM!!!
denzkyy:
ReplyDeleteyes i haved watched the debate between karl keating and mr. j. ventilacion because that debate in it's entirety is available in catholic answers, also mr. keatings article on the dabate titled 'in the maw of the cult'
also on catholic answers. but i dont agree with you that mr.keating lost that debate, anyway if someone wants to get a copy of the debate between mr. keating and mr.ventilacion it is available in catholic answers.
anonymous:
Yes please, everybody get a copy and watch the debate.
denzkyy:
what i'm only trying to point out is this so called debates causes only rancour and ill-feelings because mostly both sides has already made up their mind.
anonymous:
what's causing rancour and ill-feelings are the lies that you are posting. you may talk about the INC doctrines, why not? express your opposition to the doctrines but do not tell lies about the INC.
denzkyy:
and again you only have to read the amount of vitriol and ad hominem fr. abe's blog on the INC 95TH anniv.
recieved ,witch i hope the irony is not lost upon our INC brethren, because the INC also spends time in their t.v program at net25 to disagree on catholic doctrines, so don't the INC expect the catholic church to reply in kind?
anonymous:
Mr. Abe's post did not focus on doctrinal issues. Worse, his article was full of lies. I am not favoring the act of those who you got those ad hominem attacks. As a matter of fact, I condemn the acts they committed. Would you also please have the courage to condemn what Mr. Abe made in response? It was not a priest like behavior.
Yes, the INC expresses disagreement on catholic doctrines. I don't see anything wrong with that. We are a democratic country. You are encouraged to do the same but please do not tell lies about the INC.
denzkyy:
anyway like i said you can ask any catholic apologist questions regarding catholic doctrines and you as a rational person can make an informed judgement. if you do not agree with the answers given to you it is alright, at least you have heard what the catholic church truly teaches.if i may be bold to suggest, i think what we need in this day of fractured and divided christianity is dialogue, we may not agree on religious doctrine but we can be civil and polite to one another as human beings and being members of the same family... the human family....
PEACE AND SHALOM!!!
anonymous:
I ask you to do the same, Mr. Abe and all other catholics. Ask questions to INC ministers about INC doctrines.
anonymous,
ReplyDeletethank you for responding to my comments point by point, now kindly allowe me to do the same..
your comment:
anonymous:
what's causing rancour and ill-feelings are the lies that you are posting. you may talk about the INC doctrines, why not? express your opposition to the doctrines but do not tell lies about the INC.
now what lies am i posting with regards to INC doctrines? kindly enumerate them please so i will have the chance to defend myself, i take it you mean me because you used the word 'you'.
your comment:
anonymous:
Mr. Abe's post did not focus on doctrinal issues. Worse, his article was full of lies. I am not favoring the act of those who you got those ad hominem attacks. As a matter of fact, I condemn the acts they committed. Would you also please have the courage to condemn what Mr. Abe made in response? It was not a priest like behavior.
what are the lies that fr.abe in his post can you kindly enumerate them too? did he take anything out of context? we must also give fr.abe the chance to defend himself. with regards to fr.abes response to the attacks on his article. yes, fr.abes response is indeed strong and on hindsight some words should not have been spoken, we must put this down to his love and zeal in defending our catholic faith, for we catholics love our faith as i am sure the INC does with theirs.we must all learn to be more charitable towards person whose religious views differ from ours.
your comment:
Yes, the INC expresses disagreement on catholic doctrines. I don't see anything wrong with that. We are a democratic country. You are encouraged to do the same but please do not tell lies about the INC.
i agree with your statement but again what lies am i telling against the INC?
your comment:
anonymous:
I ask you to do the same, Mr. Abe and all other catholics. Ask questions to INC ministers about INC doctrines
with GODS grace both sides can do it someday!!!
I ALSO WATCHED THAT DEBATE. JOSE VENTILACION OF IGLESIA AGREED WITH KARL KEATING OF CATHOLIC ANSWERS THAT THEIR DEBATE WILL BE ONE ON ONE. THEN DURING THE DAY OF DEBATE VENTILACION INSISTED THAT HE WILL HAVE TWO OTHER ASSISTANTS. IF KARL KEATING WILL NOT ACCEPT THEN THEY DEBATE WILL NOT PUSH THROUGH. KARL KEATING DECIDED TO ACCEPT THE TERM BUT IT BECAME 3 VS. 1. AND VENTILACION HAS THE PRIVILEGE OF HAVING HIS OWN PROJECTOR TO SHOW HIS QUOTES AND HIS CLAIMS.
ReplyDeleteTHAT DEBATE SHOWS HOW RIDICULOUS THE CLAIMS OF THE INC THAT VENTILACION WON THE DEBATE. EVEN THE PROTESTANTS WHO WATCHED THE VIDEO IN THE NET AGREE THAT IT WAS KEATING WHO WON.
WHAT THE IGLESIA DID IS UNETHICAL AND UNJUST. THEY PUT A TRAP ON KARL KEATING. IMAGINE VENTILACION HAS PEOPLE TO OPEN THE BIBLE FOR HIM AND PRESENTS HIM WITH BOOKS AND CITATIONS THAT HE NEEDED.
THAT IS DECEPTION AND AT THE SAME TIME SHOWS THAT THE INC CANNOT DEFEND THEIR FAITH IN A GENTLEMANLY AND REASONABLE MANNER.
So, Pader Abe thinks Keating won. That would be a first.
ReplyDeleteIf Keating thought he won, he should have kept going and debate every INC minister. That would have been great for catholics, a mini-crusade of sorts.
But he didn't. He tried the INC and figured he could handle being beaten up again and again so he quit while he's ahead. or maybe he's just scared like Pader Abe.
Why don't you tell EVERY INC MINISTER to challenge Mr. Keating then.
ReplyDeleteThe video recording shows that Keating stayed until the end of the debate. He didn't quit at all.
THE FACT IS THAT VENTILACION DIDN'T FACE KEATING MANO A MANO but was assisted by other INC Ministers. 3 to 1 at the same time. THEY DIDN'T ASKED KEATING TO DEBATE THEM ONE BY ONE, INSTEAD THEY FACED HIM 3 TO 1. Very courageous indeed. I salute their courage.
Truthcaster: But he didn't. He tried the INC and figured he could handle being beaten up again and again so he quit while he's ahead. or maybe he's just scared like Pader Abe.
ReplyDeleteKAPATAS: I guess it's the other way around. Ventilacion figured out early on that he can't beat Karl Keating 'mano a mano' so he recruited a whole batch of iglesia guys to assists him, serving as either buklat boys or abot boy, or yehey boys. It is also in this debate that the Vicarius Filli Dei propaganda was exposed by Keating. Since then, the INC no longer utilized said argument to undermine the Pope.
[THE FACT IS THAT VENTILACION DIDN'T FACE KEATING MANO A MANO but was assisted by other INC Ministers. 3 to 1 at the same time. THEY DIDN'T ASKED KEATING TO DEBATE THEM ONE BY ONE, INSTEAD THEY FACED HIM 3 TO 1. Very courageous indeed. I salute their courage.]
ReplyDelete3 to 1 you said? hehehe! Did you really watch the debate? Did keating debate the other two? Anyone could watch the debate and see that there were only two who were debating. The other two were only there to handover the relevant evidences (from the bible and other references) to J. Ventilacion as he was doing his presentation. They were not there to debate.
Keating could have done the same, bringing as many assistants he wanted. Well maybe, there was no need for him to do that because he did not bring any piece of evidence anyway. He did not even read the bible once.
Regardless, you are giving too much essence on irrelevant matters. Why not focus on the subject of the debate, the doctrines. Catholic doctrine was torn apart, beaten black and blue. Keating, one of catholic renowned apologists, failed to defend the very basic foundations of your faith.
KAPATAS: I guess it's the other way around. Ventilacion figured out early on that he can't beat Karl Keating 'mano a mano' so he recruited a whole batch of iglesia guys to assists him, serving as either buklat boys or abot boy, or yehey boys.
ReplyDeleteanonymous:
There were only two who debated in the video. Wath it again. You are only sourgraping.
KAPATAS:
It is also in this debate that the Vicarius Filli Dei propaganda was exposed by Keating. Since then, the INC no longer utilized said argument to undermine the Pope.
anonymous:
oh really?
First, it was not a propaganda. It has biblical basis.
If Keating thought he won, he should have kept going and debate every INC minister. That would have been great for catholics, a mini-crusade of sorts.
ReplyDelete>> karl keating does not behave like the reformed baptist james white who never fails to challenge every catholic apologists he meets until he encountered art sippo and scott hahn, much to his eternal chagrin... besides karl keating faced worst anti catholics like bill jackson and greg hunt and did great..
But he didn't. He tried the INC and figured he could handle being beaten up again and again so he quit while he's ahead. or maybe he's just scared like Pader Abe.
>>> catholics don't go around picking fights through debates..BUT WHEN CHALLENGED THEY WILL NOT FAIL TO RESPOND.. why dont you try yourself try to challenge catholics to a debate.. i'm sure the the catholic defensores fidei (dff) or the catholic defenders league will happily oblige you... and oh by the way what ever happened to the supposed debate between the ADD and the INC? at least karl keating faced the INC in a debate...
THAT DEBATE SHOWS HOW RIDICULOUS THE CLAIMS OF THE INC THAT VENTILACION WON THE DEBATE. EVEN THE PROTESTANTS WHO WATCHED THE VIDEO IN THE NET AGREE THAT IT WAS KEATING WHO WON.
ReplyDeleteOh really? I read some comments from protestants and they were laughing at how your claim that Peter was a pope got torn to pieces.
WHAT THE IGLESIA DID IS UNETHICAL AND UNJUST. [THEY PUT A TRAP ON KARL KEATING. IMAGINE VENTILACION HAS PEOPLE TO OPEN THE BIBLE FOR HIM AND PRESENTS HIM WITH BOOKS AND CITATIONS THAT HE NEEDED.]
What is wrong with having somebody else open the bible and other references? The debate was time bound. So, the presentation must be done quick but clear. The role of the other two was to assist in the quick handover of evidences according to Ventilacion's presentation. They were not there to debate. Nothing was violated in the agreement. It was 1 to 1, Keating vs. Ventilacion.
[THAT IS DECEPTION AND AT THE SAME TIME SHOWS THAT THE INC CANNOT DEFEND THEIR FAITH IN A GENTLEMANLY AND REASONABLE MANNER]
The debate was exactly conducted according to the agreements of the debate - 1 to 1, keating vs ventilacion. Keating could have brought with him as many assistants he wanted, but he did not. As an audience who would like to hear truths and facts, I wished he did so that he could have made a better presentation base on evidences. All he did was talking and claiming.
[Why don't you tell EVERY INC MINISTER to challenge Mr. Keating then.]
ReplyDeleteWhy challenge who they have already beaten? If you have anyone better than keating then bring him out.
[The video recording shows that Keating stayed until the end of the debate. He didn't quit at all.]
of course, he did not choose to leave. he knew it would further embarass him and the catholic church he represents if he chose to leave. staying was the least thing he could do to prevent further embarassment.
[What is wrong with having somebody else open the bible and other references?]
ReplyDeleteThat is contrary to justice because it was not part of the agreement. The American concept of 1 on 1 is that the two debaters face off without the assistance of any supporters from both sides. Even the U.S. presidential debates are like that. It's mano a mano. The debates between Catholics and Protestants in the U.S. or in Britain and Australia are like that. Lookt at the videos of face off between Catholic Apologists and James White.
Karl Keating complaint that it was not part of the agreement. In fact, he came to the battle field alone. If ever there were some friends from his side they were not commanded by Keating to help or to assist him. And no Catholics were seen in the video approaching or providing assistance to Mr. Keating.
[The debate was time bound.]
The debate was also honesty bound. They should have informed Keating to bring two assistants and had given him privelege of a projector to demonstrate his points.
It made the other side's sense of decency highly questionable and on video it is documented as clever manipulations of the practical aspects of the debate to gain an advantage.
[So, the presentation must be done quick but clear.]
Fine. But you should give the same privilege to your opponent. In the pre-debate level you hid all those things and when the actual day of confrontation comes you turned the boxing into wrestling. That is foul. The rule must be equal to both parties.
[The role of the other two was to assist in the quick handover of evidences according to Ventilacion's presentation.]
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS DISHONEST AND UNJUST THERE. VENTILACION WAS A-S-S-I-S-T-E-D... ASSISTED BY TWO PERSONS. SO, HE WAS NOT ALONE. HE HAD TWO OTHERS HELPING HIM.
How can we see how good he really is and trust the power of his brain and his expertise when he is being assisted.
MUCH MORE, HOW SURE ARE WE THAT WAT WAS BEING HANDED HIM WERE MERELY VERSES OR DOCUMENTS. IT COULD HAVE BEEN ARGUMENTS... SO, BY ADMITTING THAT VENTILACION WAS ASSISTED YOU HAVE PROVEN OUR ASSERTION THAT KEATING WAS FACING 3 PERSONS IN THAT DEBATE INSTEAD OF ONE. IT SO HAPPENED THAT THE TWO OTHERS ARE WORKING IN THE SHADOWS. That is treachery.
Much more, how can we be sure that the points being fed by those two to Karl Keating were really their own ideas. It is also suspect that they too were receiving those arguments from other INC pastors or debaters. Thus, WHAT KARL KEATING FACED WAS ACTUALLY A LEGION OF INC PASTORS.
Mr. Ventilacion could have asked Keating to arranged a 3 by 3 debate or 4 by 4 debate. Keating have done that some Evangelicals before... the 3 by 3 debates.
[They were not there to debate. Nothing was violated in the agreement.]
The agreement was violated. It was a set up designed to favor Ventilacion and the INC people have no moral standard in allowing such a rare encounter into a hocus pocus carnaval for Venticacion and his cohorts.
[It was 1 to 1, Keating vs. Ventilacion.]
DEFINITELY NOT 1 TO 1. BECAUSE VENTILACION IS ASSISTED DURING THE ACTUAL DEBATE. THE VIDEO CAPTURED HIS ASSISTANTS HELPING HIM AND GIVING HIM DEBATE AMMUNITIONS.
[The debate was exactly conducted according to the agreements of the debate - 1 to 1, keating vs ventilacion.]
ReplyDeleteDEFINITELY IT WAS NOT PART OF THE AGREEMENT THAT VENTILACION WILL BE ASSISTED BY TWO OTHERS. WHY? CAN'T VENTILACION OPEN THE BIBLE BY HIMSELF WITHOUT THE ASSITANTS?
If the other party is ASSISTED while the other party is NOT ASSISTED, then, it was not 1 on 1. IT WAS TEAM VS. ONE.
[Keating could have brought with him as many assistants he wanted, but he did not.]
How can he bring something which is not part of the agreement? That is why he complained. Karl Keating has debated many opponents before that and they were really one on one. Karl Keating is not known for his ungentlemanly manners in debates.
By allowing himself to debate under that condition Mr. Ventilacion has lost moral ground. He should have dismissed the two others and really square off with Keating fairly and squarely. For sure he would still be able to articulate his positions because he is a talented man. Instead, he joined a tactic that is unworthy of decent warriors.
[As an audience who would like to hear truths and facts, I wished he did so that he could have made a better presentation base on evidences. All he did was talking and claiming.]
Very nice. After team INC violated the terms of agreement with Keating now it is Keating that is being put to blame. It is like putting 3 fighters on a ring to fight Pacquio with two others assisting the main opponent. Then later putting the blame on Pacquio for failing to bring two others to assist him.
How nice of you.
I WANT TO THANK THE INC MEMBERS POSTING ON THIS THREAD BECAUSE THEY ARE ARGUING BASED ON REASON AND BASED ON TOPICS. PLEASE LET US KEEP THE ATMOSPHERE ON THIS LEVEL.
ReplyDelete[That is contrary to justice because it was not part of the agreement. The American concept of 1 on 1 is that the two debaters face off without the assistance of any supporters from both sides. Even the U.S. presidential debates are like that. It's mano a mano. The debates between Catholics and Protestants in the U.S. or in Britain and Australia are like that. Lookt at the videos of face off between Catholic Apologists and James White. ]
ReplyDeleteContrary to justice? If the agreement that you are talking about is the 1 to 1 agreement, i did not see any violation to it. I could watch the video over and over again but I can't see a 3 to 1.
[Karl Keating complaint that it was not part of the agreement. In fact, he came to the battle field alone. If ever there were some friends from his side they were not commanded by Keating to help or to assist him. And no Catholics were seen in the video approaching or providing assistance to Mr. Keating.]
I did not see a 3 to 1. How was the agreement got violated? Handing over the references according to the presentation is not debating. Is it?
[The debate was also honesty bound. They should have informed Keating to bring two assistants and had given him privelege of a projector to demonstrate his points.
ReplyDeleteIt made the other side's sense of decency highly questionable and on video it is documented as clever manipulations of the practical aspects of the debate to gain an advantage.]
Agreements are made in a pre-debate conference. Anything that is not in violation to the agreement is allowable. It is not the responsibility of one side to inform the other what preparations they will do so as the other side will do the same as well. Keating went there bare handed, without any reference materials, evidences or anything that would elevate his ground because he had an overwhelming confidence that he will be able to crush the INC's arguments. Only to find out, and it was too late, that the INC's arguments were too strong and beyond his capability to handle.
[Fine. But you should give the same privilege to your opponent. In the pre-debate level you hid all those things and when the actual day of confrontation comes you turned the boxing into wrestling. That is foul. The rule must be equal to both parties.]
ReplyDeleteKeating had an equal privilege. He knew for certain that anything that is not in violation to the agreements is allowable and both sides are free to take advantage of those things. His overwhelming confidence that he could beat the INC's arguments easily brought him to his own destruction.
[DEFINITELY NOT 1 TO 1. BECAUSE VENTILACION IS ASSISTED DURING THE ACTUAL DEBATE. THE VIDEO CAPTURED HIS ASSISTANTS HELPING HIM AND GIVING HIM DEBATE AMMUNITIONS.]
ReplyDeleteHanding over the references is not debating. Is it?
[THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS DISHONEST AND UNJUST THERE. VENTILACION WAS A-S-S-I-S-T-E-D... ASSISTED BY TWO PERSONS. SO, HE WAS NOT ALONE. HE HAD TWO OTHERS HELPING HIM.]
ReplyDeleteThey did not help him in the arguments. Did they? I did not see any from the other two standing up and argue with Keating.
[How can we see how good he really is and trust the power of his brain and his expertise when he is being assisted.]
ReplyDeleteWhy? Was the debate about proving how good ventilacion is? It was about proving the truthfulness of the doctrines each side uphold.
[MUCH MORE, HOW SURE ARE WE THAT WAT WAS BEING HANDED HIM WERE MERELY VERSES OR DOCUMENTS. IT COULD HAVE BEEN ARGUMENTS...]
That is just a speculation. The video is clear Ventilacion by himself directed the points of argumenst in his presentations.
[SO, BY ADMITTING THAT VENTILACION WAS ASSISTED YOU HAVE PROVEN OUR ASSERTION THAT KEATING WAS FACING 3 PERSONS IN THAT DEBATE INSTEAD OF ONE. IT SO HAPPENED THAT THE TWO OTHERS ARE WORKING IN THE SHADOWS. That is treachery.]
Making the references ready or handing them over is not debating, is it? So how could it be a 3 to 1?
[Much more, how can we be sure that the points being fed by those two to Karl Keating were really their own ideas. It is also suspect that they too were receiving those arguments from other INC pastors or debaters. Thus, WHAT KARL KEATING FACED WAS ACTUALLY A LEGION OF INC PASTORS.]
Speculation again. Have you ever engaged in a formal debate? You know, receiving variety of argument inputs from a bunch of people at the time of debate will make a presenter disorganized. I did not see any sign of disorganization in Ventilacion's presentation. Instead, I saw very clear and strong points very well delivered.
[Mr. Ventilacion could have asked Keating to arranged a 3 by 3 debate or 4 by 4 debate. Keating have done that some Evangelicals before... the 3 by 3 debates]
I have watched a 3 to 3 or 4 to 4 form of debates. In such form, all make their own stand to argue against the other side. In the Keating vs. Vetilacion, I only saw two men arguing against each others stand. So, how could there be a violation to the agreement of 1 to 1. It was clearly 1 to 1 form of debate.
[Very nice. After team INC violated the terms of agreement with Keating now it is Keating that is being put to blame. It is like putting 3 fighters on a ring to fight Pacquio with two others assisting the main opponent. Then later putting the blame on Pacquio for failing to bring two others to assist him. ]
ReplyDeleteThere were only two fighters in the boxing ring, keating vs ventilacion. Ventilacion was smart enough in getting companions to give him water and wipe his sweat. Keating, with overwheming confidence that he could knock his opponent out in a first round single punch, ran out of air and lost the fight.
fr abe,
ReplyDeletewhy dont you ask permission to catholic answers if you can post karl keatings article on the debate titled 'in the maw of the cult' in your blog? mr. keating is the one involved in the debate and i think his observations are important.
by the way there seems to be a lot of comments back and forth regarding the said debate, which is good, but we still have to hear from our INC brethren what is their side regarding your posting on the laying of hands of mr. manalo by protestant pastors... i hope we'll hear from their side soon....
Why? What is wrong with recognizing the exemplary achievement of a person?
ReplyDeleteThere is no problem in recognizing the achievement of the person. The problem lies in the "laying of hands".
ReplyDeleteIf the INC is indeed biblical, what does "laying of hands" means in the bible? Is the scriptural meaning of "laying of hands" reognition sa the INC ministers want to inculcate or is it ordination?
denzkyy,
ReplyDeleteBeware of this guy calling himself "truthcaster". He is actually Conrad J.Obligacion of the Iglesia ni Cristo.
The name "TruthCaster" has long been associated with Bro. Eliseo Soriano who used that name in his broadcasts for many years already.
This INC that we call "Liecaster", while he appropriates the names of people, shameless that he is, aims to destroy the owner of that name.
I see now here that he wants to confuse you so that you will be attacking the Ang Dating Daan instead of the Iglesia ni Cristo.
I want to watch the Fr. Keating vs Ventilacion and 4 other INC. I have only read the text version of it. Fr. Keating clearly won... But i keep finding obvious edited versions(video) of it where INC claims they won the debate. please send me a link = jeg_maranan@yahoo.com thanks
ReplyDeleteGod bless
In the end everything, His Will be done
Dear Jeg,
ReplyDeleteI don't think that the pure and complete version of the debate is existing on line. We have to be very careful because there are cut versions being spread around. I have a personal copy of the debate and I got it from Totus bookstore in Greenhills. Please contact Mr. Henry Siy of Totus Bookstore at Red Ribbon Bldg. corner Connecticut-Missouri, Greenhills, San Juan Metro Manila.
God bless you.
Mga kapatid....
ReplyDeleteMay imomongkahi sana ako sa inyong lahat....
Lalong lalo na sa mga INC-Manalo....
Gusto ba ninyo ng Debate???
Kung may debater kayo(INC) dito sa local ng Gingoog City...Sabihin ninyo sa Kanila na ang tagal nanamin silang hinihintay....
Regards,
G-one
Well, that's it. The Catholic Faith Defenders of Cebu, Davao, Mizamis and other places in the Visayas have specialized in public debates. How come they are not being confronted by those who claim to be eager to face Catholics in a public debates?
ReplyDelete[May imomongkahi sana ako sa inyong lahat....
ReplyDeleteLalong lalo na sa mga INC-Manalo....
Gusto ba ninyo ng Debate???
Kung may debater kayo(INC) dito sa local ng Gingoog City...Sabihin ninyo sa Kanila na ang tagal nanamin silang hinihintay....]
Puntahan mo sila. Ipaabot mo sa kanila ang pormal mong debate proposal.
[I want to watch the Fr. Keating vs Ventilacion and 4 other INC. I have only read the text version of it. Fr. Keating clearly won... But i keep finding obvious edited versions(video) of it where INC claims they won the debate. please send me a link = jeg_maranan@yahoo.com thanks]
ReplyDeleteYou say keating won when you haven't even watched the video.
[I don't think that the pure and complete version of the debate is existing on line. We have to be very careful because there are cut versions being spread around. I have a personal copy of the debate and I got it from Totus bookstore in Greenhills. Please contact Mr. Henry Siy of Totus Bookstore at Red Ribbon Bldg. corner Connecticut-Missouri, Greenhills, San Juan Metro Manila.]
ReplyDeleteYou have a copy? Why not share it? You can upload it someplace for others to download and watch.
It's not that simple. We may infringe copyright law. As far as I know the videos of this debate were for sale in the United States. We have to respect those who owns the right to mass distribute it.
ReplyDeletetruthcaster's name is CONRAD J. OBLIGACION who has stole many names including mine.
ReplyDeleteDear Wakay,
ReplyDeleteO that's terrible. Why is there a need for him to do that? A Christian will not do such a thing. Our goal is not to destroy persons but to lead them to see the truth. Stealing names and identities is a road to hell. I hope he will stop doing that to others.
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ReplyDeleteAnonymous,
ReplyDeleteI have no time to talk to people of your kind. You are not presenting yourself in an educated and reasonable manner. I respected the posts of truthcaster because he was reasoning and not responding in a manner proper for squatter area like you do.
I hereby delete your post because it is not worthy of space in this blog.
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteYou are no longer welcome in my blog. Get out of here and stay where you belong.
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ReplyDeleteone can not properly judge who won a debate by watching only HIGHLIGHTS or PART OF DEBATES people want you to see posted in the internet.
ReplyDeletemr. keatings debate with mr. ventilacion is 3HRS LONG! so if one wants to get a proper perspective on both sides one needs to watch the WHOLE DEBATE.
and yet again we can see a lot of adhominem and vitriol posted against fr. abe... whoever you are hiding in your anonymity stop your insults because you are not doing your whatever religion you belong to a favor.if you disagree with fr.abe do so in a polite manner, dont stoop to insults and don't hide in anonimity, please introduce yourself...
and again THE WHOLE DEBATE OF MR.KEATING AND MR.VENTILACION IS AVAILABLE AT CATHOLIC ANSWERS and according to fr.abe locally at TOTUS BOOKSTORE...
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ReplyDeleteOnce again Anonymous, your comment is not welcome here.
ReplyDelete[ang isyo dito nagreklamo si keating 3 on 1 daw or ano pa? team vs one!? e ano yan.. labag ba sa kasundaan sa debate?]
ReplyDeleteSIEMPRE LABAG DAHIL ANG USAPAN AY ONE ON ONE AT HINDI ONE VS. TEAM. YOU ARE DISTORTING THE FACT THAT VENTILACION AND HIS COHORTS VIOLATED THE TERMS OF AGREEMENT.
[kung labag my sinabi ba ang moderator na desqualified c Mr. Jose? napakalinaw ASSISTANT LANG! ang sinabi nyong team! isa lang ang ngsasalita!]
THE MODERATOR IS AN INC MEMBER. IT WAS ORGANIZED BY INC. THAT IS WHY THEY HAVE ASSISTANTS, PROJECTORS, AND CHEERING SQUAD FOR VENTILACION.
[tapos nagreklamo na si KEATING! para na din nyang sinabi! "dko kaya kayo!" haha..]
THE REASON WHY HE FACED TEAM VENTILACION IN THAT DEBATE WAS PROOF ENOUGH THAT HE CAN FACE THEM FARELY AND SQUARELY. THE WHO HAVE ASSISTANTS IN A ONE ON ONE DEBATE IS THE REAL COWARDLY. IT IS NOT LONE RANGER WHO IS AFRAID BUT THE BAND OF ROBBERS.
[simple lng ang conclusion jan.. dahil kung merong assistant si KEATING! hindi din sila magkakaintindhan.. haha walang unity!]
THAT IS NOT CONCLUSION. THAT IS HALLUCINATION AND DELUSION. 'Kung'... THAT IS AN ARGUMENT FROM KANGKUNG-AN.
THE FACT IS... THE AGREEMENT WAS FOR A ONE ON ONE DEBATE. THEN KEATING APPEARED ON STAGE ALONE AND UNASSISTED. WHILE VENTILACION CAME WITH ASSISTANTS WHO WERE GIVING HIM BOOKS, PASSAGES AND WHISPERING ON HIS EARS. SO, IT WAS KEATING VS. INC GANG.
[kailan ba nag unity ang KATOLIKO? tuwing my patay? handaan? FIESTA? at kung ano2 pa?]
WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT CATHOLIC FUNERALS, PARTIES AND FEASTS? ARE YOU ATTENDING THEM?
[kung sa aral o sa doktrina lang, wala talaga! pa iba-ibang pagkakaintindi nila! kaya d talaga magkakaintindhan sila! lol]
THAT IS THE REASON WHY FELIX MANALO'S TEACHINGS ARE CHANGING. AFTER ASKING THE LAYING OF HANDS FROM PROTESTANT PASTORS HE DENOUNCED THEM AS DEMONS. SO HE REQUESTED THE DEMONS TO LAY HANDS ON HIM.
THAT IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF YOUR INC's UNITY OF DOCTRINE.
Dito ang pinanggalingan ni Conrad J. Obligacion aka truthcaster aka c_amalon
ReplyDeletehttp://pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232696
Your stupid!
ReplyDeleteBetter have a terrorist from middle east than to clergies of INC who knows the real truth but pretends to be blinds thats becoz of money. Tama na uy.
ReplyDeleteFelix Manalo of the INC is a deceiver. He claimed he is the angel in revelations who will stop the four angels whom the iNC claim are the leaders of USA, UK, Italy, and France who will harm the earth. Did manalo stop them by establishing his church in the philippines?!
ReplyDeleteI believe that many religions existed because people needs them. If a person needs to an INC so he could be good then INC is doing good to the person. If a person is changed to a better when he joined the Catholic Church then, the Catholic Church is doing Its role in the soul of that person. For me, that is the very essence of religion-saving souls of mankind.
ReplyDeletehai nako cno ba yang LIESCASTER na MANALISTA JAN? so kafal d face naman.. eh halata namang DINAYA NILA si Karl Keating ehh.. dinaan sa "ORAS". siempre nga naman. kung ikaw ba naman , kaya mo bang ilabas ang katotohanan within A LIMITED HOUR? eow.. i have watched a debate of VENTILADOR and an SDA layman. grabeh, hindi nakalusot si VENTILADOR..
ReplyDeleteFather, why dont you try Mr. Ramil Parba on any TV stations you want if you claim that CFDs or priests can also defeat an INC minister?
ReplyDeletepls. dont be emotional ah by caplocks postreply.
It will fulfill to you these verses:
Proverbs 29:11 and Proverbs 14:29 about being emotional.
Father, in my own opinion as a Protestant. Catholic Church wont never win in the hands of ADD and INC religion who are 2 arch enemies of the RCC in the Philippines.
because if CFDs defeated a lot of its preachers from these 2 religions, many INC and ADD will be Catholics.
As I observed, more Catholics became INC members before. today, more INCs became ADD members hahahahahahaha! sorry father if it's offending to you PEACE.
[Father, why dont you try Mr. Ramil Parba on any TV stations you want if you claim that CFDs or priests can also defeat an INC minister?]
ReplyDeleteO THE HYPOCRITE ADD HAS TRANSFERRED HERE. HE, HE, HE... RAMIL PARBA JUST RECENTLY DEBATED ANOTHER CATHOLIC APOLOGIST WENDELL TALIBONG, A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE. KARL KEATING OF CATHOLIC ANSWER DEBATED JOSE VENTILACION AND THROUGHOUT THE YEARS THERE ARE MANY DEBATES BETWEEN CATHOLICS AND INC. BUT MAMA ELI REFUSED TO DEBATE THE BEST CATHOLIC APOLOGISTS OF BOTH RCC AND INC.
YOUR MAMA ELI IS A COWARD. HA, HA, HA... YOU WANT TO INSINUATE HERE HA SO THAT PARBA AND ME COULD DEBATE. HE, HE, HE... WELL, PARBA MAY NOT LIKE ME AS OPPONENT. I AM NOT FAMOUS ENOUGH FOR HIM. HE PREFERS YOUR MAMA ELI AND YOUR KUYA DANIEL. HE, HE, HE...
[pls. dont be emotional ah by caplocks postreply.]
WHO TOLD YOU THAT USING CAPLOCK IS BEING EMOTIONAL? WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE?
It will fulfill to you these verses:
Proverbs 29:11 and Proverbs 14:29 about being emotional.
USING CAPLOCKS HAS MANY PURPOSES ONE OF THEM IS FOR HIGHLIGHTING. HE, HE, HE... IT IS FOR THAT REASON THAT I USE IT.
YOU ARE USING THE BIBLE VERSES AGAINST BEING EMOTIONAL, NOW WHERE IN THE BIBLE CAN YOU READ THAT USING CAPLOCKS IS BEING EMOTIONAL? WHERE, WHERE, WHERE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE.
[Father, in my own opinion as a Protestant.]
DON'T BE HYPOCRITE AND A LIAR. YOU ARE ADD.
[Catholic Church wont never win in the hands of ADD and INC religion who are 2 arch enemies of the RCC in the Philippines.]
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY 'WONT NEVER'? IS THAT ENGLISH OR FRENCH?
CONCERNING WINNING. THE INC DEBATERS STILL HAVE TO WIN AGAINST THE HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL AND EXCELLENT DEBATERS OF CATHOLIC FAITH DEFENDERS OF CEBU, DAVAO AND MIZAMIS.
WHILE SORIANOS DEBATES ARE MOSTLY WITH PEDICABS ON THE STREETS. HE CANNOT BOAST OF HIGH CALIBRE DEBATE WITH CATHOLIC APOLOGISTS EITHER HERE IN THE PHILIPPINES OR IN THE UNITED STATES.
[because if CFDs defeated a lot of its preachers from these 2 religions, many INC and ADD will be Catholics.]
INDEED, MANY INC AND ADD IN THE SOUTH HAVE CONVERTED TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THEY ARE NOT SUCCESSFUL THERE BECAUSE OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH DEFENDERS. THEY HAVE VERY FEW CHURCHES IN THOSE AREAS. AND THE ONES REIGNING IN PUBLIC PLAZA DEBATES ARE CATHOLICS... THE CFD.
[As I observed, more Catholics became INC members before. today, more INCs became ADD members hahahahahahaha!]
HA, HA, HA... LUMABAS DIN ANG TUNAY NA KULAY MO. HE, HE, HE... MAGKADUGO KAYO NG MAMA ELI MONG HOSEXUAL RAPIST. HA, HA, HA...
CONCERNING CONVERSIONS. INGAT KA, MAS MARAMING INI-INTERVIEW SA TV PROGRAMS NILA ANG INC NA FORMER ADD KESA FORMER INC NA NAGING ADD SA PROGRAM NI MAMA ELI. HA, HA, HA...
AT ANG LUMILIPAT SA INC MULA SA ADD AY MGA BIGSHOTS NG ADD. MGA FORMER CLOSE AIDES OF MAMA ELI. HA, HA, HA...
[sorry father if it's offending to you PEACE.]
IT'S ALRIGHT. I'M ENJOYING YOUR THOUGHTS. HE, HE, HE... I will not be disturbed by the likes of you.
Any CFDs wont win on either ADD or INC apologist. I will bet larger on it.
ReplyDeleteanyway Father, it is up to you to believe if I am a Protestant or not.
any ADD or INC member is so proud to introduce themselves as members of those sects because of they believe that their group only teaches 100 percent Truth.
hahahahaha! Father, there are lots of immoral acts in the Catholic Church. ADD has only one immoral act. but the Catholic Church has many immoral acts even a priest raping a sacristan hahahahahahaha! to the point that I became a famous news on CNN.
before you attack other sects, pls see the dirt in your group.
You have no right to throw stone/s if you or your group did any sin (John 8:7)
Very Good Father, be emotional so that you will die soon of heart attack
hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
by Protestant Blues LOL
[Any CFDs wont win on either ADD or INC apologist. I will bet larger on it.]
ReplyDeleteOW REALLY? HE, HE, HE... THAT IS THE REASON WHY CATHOLIC APOLOGIST BEN DOUGLASS CHALLENGED YOUR MAMA ELI AND HE DIDN'T ANSWER. SOC FERNANDEZ OF CFD CHALLENGED MAMA ELI AND HE DIDN'T APPEAR. HE, HE, HE... ATTY. MARWIL LLASOS CHALLENGED MAMA ELI AND YOUR KUYA DANIEL RAZON BUT BOTH DIDN'T RESPOND. HA, HA, HA...
THE ADD DEBATERS ARE ONLY GOOD IF THEY ARE DEBATING UNKNOWN CATHOLICS ON THE STREETS, IN LUNETA OR IN PLAZA MIRANDA OR DURING YOUR INDOCTRINATION SESSIONS. BUT NEVER WITH THE OFFICIAL APOLOGISTS AND DEBATERS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. HE, HE, HE...
WHY DON'T YOU TELL MAMA ELI TO CHALLENGE THE CATHOLIC APOLIGISTS OF CATHOLIC FAITH DEFENDERS? WHY DON'T YOU TELL MAMA ELI TO CHALLENGE THE CATHOLIC APOLOGISTS OF CATHOLIC ANSWERS IN THE UNITED STATES? HE, HE, HE... HA, HA, HA...
MAMA ELI IS A COWARD.
KARL KEATING AND JOSE VENTILACION DEBATED. EACH SIDE CLAIMING VICTORY. THEN, KEATING'S FELLOW CATHOLIC APOLOGIST AND AUTHOR OF BOOKS MR. PATRICK MADRID WENT PERSONALLY TO THE INC CENTRAL OFFICE AND MET THE INC SPOKESPERSON, MR. SANTIAGO AND ISSUED A FORMAL CHALLENGE. BUT NOTHING CAME OUT OF IT.
[anyway Father, it is up to you to believe if I am a Protestant or not.]
WHO CARES ANYWAY. BUKO KA NA, E.
[any ADD or INC member is so proud to introduce themselves as members of those sects because of they believe that their group only teaches 100 percent Truth.]
IT MEANS THAT EITHER OF THEM IS 100% ERRONEOUS. HA, HA, HA...
[Father, there are lots of immoral acts in the Catholic Church.]
HA, HA, HA... ALL PEOPLE, ALL CULTURE, ALL NATIONS AND ALL GROUPS HAVE LOTS OF IMMORAL ACTS. THAT IS PART OF HUMAN SINFULNESS.
[ADD has only one immoral act.]
OW, TALAGA. HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE REALLY SUBTLY REVEALING YOUR RELIGION, EH. HE, HE, HE...
YOU KNOW IF YOU WILL RECORD THE STATEMENTS OF THE FORMER ADD WHO BECAME INC AND ARE SPEAKING ON GEM TV OR NET 25 YOU WILL GET THOUSANDS OF IMMORALITIES AMONG ADD LEADERSHIP. HA, HA, HA...
NOW, MORE HAVE BEEN REVEALED BY WILLY SANTIAGO. AND I ALSO COLLECTED SOME FROM FORMER ADD WHO ARE NOW CATHOLICS MOSTLY DUE TO THE APOLOGETIC APOSTOLATES OF BRO. CENON BIBE AND FROM THOSE WHO CAME TO ME REVEALING THEIR RETURN TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
[but the Catholic Church has many immoral acts even a priest raping a sacristan hahahahahahaha! to the point that I became a famous news on CNN.]
HA, HA, HA... OF COURSE WE KNOW THEM BECAUSE WE DO NOT HIDE THEM. WE BRING THE CULPRITS TO THE COURT OF LAW. BESIDES IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE THAT IT WILL BE FEATURED IN CNN BECAUSE OUR CHURCH IS MORE POPULAR THAN YOU AND HAVE DONE MORE GOOD IN THE WORLD THAN YOUR GROUP.
YOUR ADD IS NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF GARBAGE INCOMPARISON WITH OUR CHURCH. HA, HA, HA...
BESIDES, OURS IS A MISTAKE OF MEMBERS. YOURS IS THE ACTS OF RAPE OF THE LEADER, FOUNDER, GOD'S MESSENGER AND SPIRITUAL HEAD. HA, HA, HA... WE HAVE ROTTEN LEAVES BUT YOU HAVE A ROTTEN TREE. HA, HA, HA...
MUCH MORE OUR RAPIST ARE BEING BROUGHT TO COURT AND ARE BEING JAILED. YOURS YOU ARE HIDING TOGETHER. HA, HA, HA...
[before you attack other sects, pls see the dirt in your group.]
MAMA ELI SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT HERSELF. AND YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT TO YOUR PREACHERS. HE, HE, HE...
NOW YOU ARE EARNING THE EFFECT OF YOUR OWN EVIL.
[You have no right to throw stone/s if you or your group did any sin (John 8:7)]
THE ADD THROWS STONES AT US CATHOLICS DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY ARE IMMORALS TOO. THEN WE DECIDED TO RETURN THE FAVOR. I HOPE YOU ARE ENJOYING THE STONES THAT CAME FROM YOU.
WHEN MAMA ELI ATTACKS THE CATHOLICS AND THE INC THE ADD MEMBERS ARE LAUGHING LIKE ANIMALS ON A FRYING PAN. NOW THAT YOU ARE RECEIVING THE SAME ATTACKS YOU ARE FEELING THE PAIN. HE, HE, HE... GOOD FOR YOU.
[Very Good Father, be emotional so that you will die soon of heart attack]
DON'T WORRY YOU MAY SEE FIRST THE FIRE OF HELL BEFORE MY SOUL RETURNS TO GOD.
@ MANALISTA ABOVE:
ReplyDeleteWhy dont we try Ramil Parba? hahaha.. we did already and he was defeated by Bro. Wendell Talibong, CFD.. hahaha.. eww. INC!! YUCK!! PWEH!!
INC CAN NEVER FACE IN A "FORMAL DEBATE" .. again, "formal". WHICH MEANS WITHOUT THE USE OF ILLOGICAL FALLACIES
WELL, OF COURSE, THEY HAVE DEBATES, but if you watch it. it was an ILLOGICAL DEBATES. (DEBATE SA KANTO).. hahaha..
INC?? PWEH!!!
Talagang napaka thick ng faces ng mga manalista. hehehehe..
ReplyDeleteIN EVERY DEBATE OF INC AGAINST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, INC MINISTER VS. CATHOLIC "LAY MAN"
isipin mo un?? SA LAIKO LANG, TUMBA NA ANG ISANG MINISTRO? hahaha.. eh pano pag PARI PA KAYA YAN? sabagay, wala namang papatol na PARI sa mga ministrong ganyan.. pasalamat nga kayo pinapatulan pa kayo ni Fr. Abe ehh.. kilabutan nga kayong mga manalista jan. para kayong albularyo na nakikipagtalo sa isang Medical Doctors..
hahaha
and whats the tactics of INC when they are defeated?
babaligtarin ang Story.. hahaha
INC MINISTER RAMIL PARBA VS. CATHOLIC LAY MAN - BRO. WENDELL TALIBONG, CFD
RESULT: CATHOLIC WON!!
INC MINISTER RIZALITO OCAMPO VS. CATHOLIC LAY MAN - BRO. SOC FERNANDEZ, CFD
RESULT: CATHOLIC WON!!
INC MINISTER JOSE VENTILACION VS. CATHOLIC LAY MAN -BRO. KARL KEATING OF CATHOLIC ANSWERS
RESULT: CATHOLIC WON!!
HAHAHAHA.. pero ang pinapalabas nila, sila lagi panalo. si Ventilacion daw laban kay Bro. Keating. eh samantalang sa huli ng debate it was proclaimed by a neutral person that the only true Church is RCC!!
si Parba pinalabas na nandaya daw si Bro. Talibong, hahaha
kung sabagay.. ganun tlga talunan. hahaha .. kahit magkaubos ang relihiyon sa mundo .. NEVER AKONG AANIB JAN SA KULTO NA YAN .. EOWWW!!
nakita ko sa youtube ang testemony ng isang person na "...that the true church is the Catholic Church!" nagulat ako at natuwa at the same time hehehe
ReplyDeleteGregor,
ReplyDeleteMas nakakatawa naman kung ang Iglesia ni Manalo ang tunay na Church. Ha, ha, ha... Yan ay isang kabaliwan.
pwede po bng malaman kung sa makakakuha ng copy of the debate? un parang minutes of the meeting?
ReplyDeleteung written version po ng video. thanks.. to God be the glory!
Please contact Totus Bookstore in Greenhills, San Juan.
ReplyDeleteHOY TRUTHCASTER, RESBAK.COM KA PA!! REBAKIN MO MUKHA MO!! IBANG KLASE ANG RESBAK NYO E.. CALIBER45 ANG RESBAK/BACK-UP NYO!! MGA IGLESIA KASI KAYO NG CRIMINAL!! INC IGLESIA NG CRIMINAL!! IGLESIA NI CAIN AKA IGLESIA NI MANALO!
ReplyDeletemr. jose ventilacion/inc based their doctrine on the far east from the mistake of a catholic priest. very funny!they considered a priest as satan, then believed him.they even based their doctrine on his mistake! imagine!
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