St. Peter Basilica, dome interiorAnonymous said...
I really don't think you know what you are talking about. What you have written is nothing more but embellished personal opinions about the Church. Your fanciful words and phrases are not convincing at all. The Catholic Church have nothing to be proud of, so much history of corruption. Read up on the history alone of the Catholic Church and see why many catholics such as myself have converted to the Church of Christ.
November 22, 2009 5:02 AM
Fr. Abe, CRS said...
[The Catholic Church have nothing to be proud of]
Really? The great civilizations of the West were achieved with the contributions of the Catholic Church:
1. Education: The earliest Universities in Europe were established by the Catholic Church. Until now, your New Era University is a piece of junk in comparison with Ateneo, La Salle and University of Sto. Tomas here in the Philippines. In U.S. alone the Jesuits have at least 21 Universities and Colleges.
2. In Charitable Works: Orphanages, Leprosarium and Home for the Aged were pioneered by the Catholic Church. Even the establishments of Hospitals were copied from the medical centers of charities formed by Catholic Saints who worked to serve the sick free of charge and using their personal resources.
3. In Science, there are many Catholic scientists yet there is no single scientist from the Manalos. Will you please name a Manolista scientist for me? I want to see if they will be at par with Newton, Descartes, Pasteur, Marconi, Volta and other Catholic Scientists.
4. In Arts, we produced the Michelangelo, Raphael and Da Vinci and countless more. The INC arts are piece of junk in comparison to Catholic Arts. The Vatican Museum houses one of the greatest collections of the greatest Obras and masterpieces in the world competing with Louvre of Paris, Metropolitan Museum of New York and the London Museum. What have you got? Illusions!!!
5. In Music, the Titans of Music such as Beethoven, Mozart, Bach were inspired by the Catholic Church. How about Vivaldi, Palestrina and others? That is why they composed Missa Cantata and Oratorios still being used for Catholic worship until now.
6. In Architecture, the designs of Hagia Sophia and our Basilicas and Cathedrals are unmatched by INC. Your so called Temple in Diliman cannot even match the beauty of the bodegas in Sistene Chapel.
Dream on Anonymous. The Manalos are the one who have nothing to be proud of. We have everything to be proud of.
Concerning corruption. All people, culture, nation, race and religion have been involved in corruption. No exception. There are corruption in INC too. No less than the Speech of Iraneo Manalo proves that. A recorded speech revealed by Soriano wherein Manalo was lambasting the INC pastors for their corrupt practices. Imagine that. Then, the Manalos are the real owners of all the money of your Church. Inherited from father to son... That is HEREDITARY CORRUPTION.
November 22, 2009 1:36 PM
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And may I add something Fr. Abe.
ReplyDeleteThe Iglesia ni Cristo of Manalo copied every single doctrines from Arius, the Seventh-day Adventists and the Mormons. Something they shouldnt be proud of.
Their own founder Felix Manalo was caught red-handed with sexual immorality during his lifetime and the Manalos have enriched themselvess by the millions while their members impoverized every single day.
What a shame!
And by the way, your churc was registered as IGLESIA NI CRISTO, not Church of Christ! Just to be precise.
Thank you Church Defender.
ReplyDeleteActually Bro. the originaly registry states IGLESIA NI KRISTO. He, he, he... Later, Manalo asked for a change to IGLESI NI CRISTO. What's the fuss for K and C?
Just in the name of their religion the so-called angel from the east was in darkness.
If I may add humor to it.
ReplyDeleteWell Felix Manalo changed Iglesia ni Kristo (INK) to Iglesia ni Cristo (INC) since it was INCorporated in the Philippines in July 27, 1914.
Ha, ha, ha... very naughty you are Church Defender. Naughty but clever.
ReplyDeleteThis is a very good description of the church founded by Manalo...Hereditary Corruption. It is not a church but a DYNASTY.
ReplyDeleteA BUSINESS DYNASTY... a INCorporation. He, he, he...
ReplyDeletehello fr. Abe,
ReplyDeleteI have been following your blog for some time.
Great Job in defending and protecting the Church.
Also, I would like also to share to you the blog made by an INC member who I guess been following your blog also.
http://readmeinc.blogspot.com/2009/11/whose-are-more-of-business.html
I think this is his response in relation to your comments here. I think it was a desperate move. (I guess) And his fond of copy-paste works.
anyway, GodBless and keep up the good work.
[Then, the Manalos are the real owners of all the money of your Church. Inherited from father to son... That is HEREDITARY CORRUPTION.]
ReplyDeleteDo you have evidence to prove this? You are a priest and it would be very shameful for a priest propagating lies to people.
Your are claiming glory from the achievements of your members in the field of science, arts and music. Their achievements are their personal achievements not your church's. Did your church made them as great scientists, artists or musicians. Of course not.
ReplyDelete"2. In Charitable Works: Orphanages, Leprosarium and Home for the Aged were pioneered by the Catholic Church. Even the establishments of Hospitals were copied from the medical centers of charities formed by Catholic Saints who worked to serve the sick free of charge and using their personal resources."
ReplyDeleteManalists DON'T provide charity to outsiders, so tough luck for them infidels.
Dear Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteThat readmeinc.blogspot.com is run by a hiding coward. He used to comment in this Blog but when he has tasted our Pacquio type punches he disappeared and later he and his friends started sending me insulting comments not directed on doctrines but against my person.
That blogger belongs to the lower species of animals. Obviously you must have noticed that he is poorly educated. He lacks logical reasoning and his refutations of our positions very shallow.
I think he is more used to argue on the streets of Divisoria than in a civilized forums. He is not our worry and no need for me to focus my attention on his blog posts. Every intelligent reader will immediately see the poverty of his intellectual capacity and the shallowness of his mind.
My good friend Bro. Kapatas, who has debated a lot of INC in Bereans Forum, answered him right there in his blog but he was cutting and slicing his presentations. That is how low that blogger is.
Thank you very much and God bless you.
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteWhy don't you read the Incorporation of your church personally prepared by Felix Y. Manalo.
Your Church is not just a religion. It is a CORPORATE SOLE. It is a corporation whose supreme and ultimate authority resides in one leader alone.
WHO IS THAT LEADER? MANALO!
When a Manalo dies to whom will the ultimate power and authority be transferred? TO ANOTHER MANALO!!! Ha, ha, ha...
WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE?
The Lord Jesus didn't produce an offspring that became His successor. Peter and Paul as well as the rest of the Apostles didn't do that.
WHERE DID YOU GET THAT? WHERE? TELL ME. IF IT IS NEITHER FROM CHRIST NOR THE APOSTLES THEN IT MUST COME FROM THE DEVIL. IF IT IS NOT FROM THE BIBLE, THEN, BY YOUR OWN STANDARD IT IS EVIL.
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteIt's up to you to prove the contrary. If you are saying that our Catholic Church didn't help in the road to greatness of these scientists, musicians and artists then prove it.
Show us that it it your religion that made them such.
Mozart, Beethoven and Bach had Catholic Bishops and ardent Catholic monarchs as patron and benefactors. They composed CATHOLIC RELIGIOUS MUSIC. He, he, he...
How about the works of Michelangelo, Leonardo and Raphaello? Where are they? Mostly in CAtholic Churches and Museums. They are found in our monasteries and convents. Why? Because those who commissioned them were Catholics. The patrons and benefactors and supporters were CAtholics.
Why will artists of great calibre flock to religions who destroy images? Ha, ha, ha... They are not idiots to cling to people like you. They will stay in places where their artworks will be appreciated and honored.
Besides most of them are Catholic themselves that is why it was their personal preference to draw the icons of Christ and the Madonnas of the Blessed Virgin.
As regards our scientists, well they simply preferred to remain CAtholic and most of them studied also in Catholic universities. They know that our schools are better than the schools of the Manalos, Dating Daan and Seventh Day Adventists.
Got it right, Bro. Aegis-Judex. Hit the nail on the head.
ReplyDeleteThere is no use of honor and glory to a man on the day of judgment. If you seek first riches and fame in this world then GO TO HELL!
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, please read your Bible carefully. On the judgement day The Lord Himself will honor the faithful ones with Eternal Life. Honoring good people here on earth is a virtue and it is God's greatest gift on the Judgment Day.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to go to hell go there yourself and stop telling it to us.
The faithfuls of the catholic church should be proud of because they knew that the catholic church is the true church of our Lord Jesus Christ basing from the history of succession from the time of the apostles, while the INC only started sometime in 1914 and in the Philippines......Hesus Maryosep!!!
ReplyDeleteSIANG TUNAY!!!
ReplyDeletehahaha,,, that's why I'm proud of being a Catholic... from Sacred Scriptures to Sacred Traditions, from Arts to Sciences, from Education to Medicine hahaha... Viva El Cristo Rey! Viva El Papa!...
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