Mary the Mother of the Lord during Pentecost Resilyn Bago said...
I wonder kung mapopost ang comment ko na ito. I commented many times in your blogs pero lahat di napublish. Will all due respect, I'd like to know if there is there anything wrong or you just don't like people to see?
Anyway, For there is one God, and one mediator between god and men, the man Jesus Christ. (I Tim 2:5)
Nakiisa o nakikibahagi lamang si Maria sa pagiging tagapamagitan....hindi ito nakakabawas o nakadaragdag man sa pagiging tagapamagitan ni Kristo? Bakit kailangan makibahagi ni Maria? Hindi ba sapat si Kristo?
Isa pa, tao lang si Maria. itinakda sa tao ang mamatay ng minsan at pagkatapos ay ang paghuhukom (Heb 9:27) Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face the judgment (Eccle 9:10) Whatever your hands find to do, do it with all your might, for in the grave, where you are going, THERE IS NEITHER WORKING NOR PLANNING NOR KNOWLEDGE NOR WISDOM.... Patay na si Maria, sa paniniwala nyo ba eh may malay siya sa mga nangyayari ngayon? pagkatapos ng pagkamatay ng tao, ang sunod ay ang paghuhukom..kaya paanong makakapamagitan si Maria eh wala nga siyang malay ngayon maging ang lahat ng mga santo nyo?
Sana naman mabasa din ng iba ang comment ko para mapagisipan din nila..
October 14, 2009 7:45 AM
Fr. Abe, CRS said...
Ms. Bago [Ngunit Lumang Style]
Ang lahat ng comments mo ay ipinaskel ko. And hindi ko lang pinapaskel ay ang mga bastos at walang modong mensahe. Subalit ang iyong mga comento ay maayos naman at doktrina at biblical ang usapan. Kaya walang problema.
Hindi mo makikita dito ang mga una mong comento dahil hindi mo naman dito inilagay ang mga iyon. Dun ka pumunta sa pinag paskelan mo at makikita mo ang mga comments mo at ang mga sagot namin.
Ito rin ay aking sasagutin mamaya.
October 14, 2009 10:32 AM
Bro. Marwil N. Llasos said...
[I wonder kung mapopost ang comment ko na ito. I commented many times in your blogs pero lahat di napublish. Will all due respect, I'd like to know if there is there anything wrong or you just don't like people to see?]
Malisyosa ka. Palabintangin sa kapwa. Walang katutubong pag-ibig, palabintangin (2 Tim. 3:3).
[Anyway, For there is one God, and one mediator between god and men, the man Jesus Christ. (I Tim 2:5)]
Naipaliwanag na ang ibig sabihin ng talata. Ewan klo kung binasa mo talaga o hindi mo naintindihan. Ikaw ang may problema sa reading comprehension niyan.
[Nakiisa o nakikibahagi lamang si Maria sa pagiging tagapamagitan....hindi ito nakakabawas o nakadaragdag man sa pagiging tagapamagitan ni Kristo? Bakit kailangan makibahagi ni Maria? Hindi ba sapat si Kristo?]
SAGOT: Aba’y sapat na si Cristo. Pero hindi ang pagiging sapat ni Cristo ang isyu. Ang tanong ay NILOOB BA NI CRISTO NA MAKIISA O MAKIBAHAGI SA KANYA ANG KANYANG MGA LINGKOD (GAYA NI MARIA)? Aba’y opo. Bakit IAARAL at IUUTOS ni Apostol Pablo na MAMAGITAN tayo (1 Timoteo 2:1)? Di ba kalabisan din iyan sa pagiging SAPAT ng pamamagitan ni CRISTO?
Si Cristo ay hindi kuripot. Gusto niya tayong makasama at makabahagi. Tutol ka ba diyan?
[Isa pa, tao lang si Maria. itinakda sa tao ang mamatay ng minsan at pagkatapos ay ang paghuhukom (Heb 9:27) Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face the judgment (Eccle 9:10) Whatever your hands find to do, do it with all your might, for in the grave, where you are going, THERE IS NEITHER WORKING NOR PLANNING NOR KNOWLEDGE NOR WISDOM.... Patay na si Maria, sa paniniwala nyo ba eh may malay siya sa mga nangyayari ngayon? pagkatapos ng pagkamatay ng tao, ang sunod ay ang paghuhukom..kaya paanong makakapamagitan si Maria eh wala nga siyang malay ngayon maging ang lahat ng mga santo nyo?]
Opinion mo lang iyan. Eh kung ang tao ay walang malay pag namatay, sino ang nakausap ni Cristo sa Transfiguration, aber? Di ba sina Moises at Elias? Bakit sila nakausap ni Kristo?
Alam mo ginagawa mong sinungaling si Cristo niyan eh. NAMUMUSONG KA. Eh di ba sinabi NI Jesus sa mabuting magnanakaw, "TODAY YOU WILL BE WITH ME IN PARADISE" (Luke 23:43). Eh kung walang malay iyong magnanakaw, SINO ang makakasama ni Cristo sa Paraiso? SINO? SABIHIN MO KUNG SINO!
October 15, 2009 1:56 PM
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bro. marwil,
ReplyDeletei did not get the chance to thank you for your inspiring talk last saturday "there's something about Mary"...anyway thank you very much for taking the time to give the talk for it was most enlightening and of great value for us who wants to learn and deepen our understanding about the Catholic faith...
let us just pray for the likes of ms.bago(na lumang luma na ang mga paratang) and other anti-Mary(what did the Blessed Mother ever do to this poor blighted souls to earn for her such enmity and hatred..ano ba nagawa sa inyo ng pinakamamahal na ina ni Jesus at ganoon na lang ang pagkamuhi nyo sa kaniya?)that they may one day see the truth
An unrepentant Sola Scriptura fanatic, Ms. Bago should take time to read her bible again. Like most anti-Catholic fundamentalists, Ms. Bago protests against the doctrine regarding the mediatory role on salvation played by saints and the Blessed Virgin saying that their just humans like all of us. If so, these people must be hating St. Paul for saying in v14 in Romans Ch. 11: "... if somehow I can inspire those of my flesh, so that I might save some of them." Same goes with Ch. 9 of Corinthians I "To the weak, I became weak in order to gain the weak; I became everything to everyone, so that I might SAVE some in every way." What a blasphemer Paul must be for Ms. Bago and all her Sola Scriptura ilks must be!
ReplyDelete"Patay na si Maria, sa paniniwala nyo ba eh may malay siya sa mga nangyayari ngayon? Pagkatapos ng pagkamatay ng tao, ang sunod ay ang paghuhukom..kaya paanong makakapamagitan si Maria eh wala nga siayng malay ngayon maging ang lahat ng mga santo nyo?"
Our Lord and God Jesus Christ Himself refutes this disgusting attack by Ms. Bago: JN 11:25 "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies; and whoever lives in me and believes in me will never die. Do you believe in this?" Sola Scriptura attack dogs like Ms. Bago apparently don't. There is NO SUCH THING AS A DEAD SAINT: Luke 20:38 "for him all are alive/ for all live unto him." We don't pray to the dead, we pray to our saints who continue to live and givve testimony to the glory of God!
If the concept of a mediator to God apart from Christ is absolutely impossible, then why would God even ask us to pray for one another? "And the prayer pf faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him pu. and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. THE EFFECTUAL FERVENT PRAYER OF A RIGHTEOUS MAN AVAILETH MUCH JAMES 5:15-16
Ivan Phell Enrile
Hello po Fr. ABe, di ko po alam kung saan i-post yung tanung ko kaya dito na lang po,sana mabasa niyo...
ReplyDeleteNung isang araw po nakinig ako dun sa "ang tamang daan" ng INC tungkol sa trinity po, i know well the church doctrines kaya tawa lang ako ng tawa sa mga sinasabe nung INC minister. Pero natigilan po ako nung may binaggit yung INC minister na quotes from the bible, yung una po verse from the bible kung saan sinasabe ni God na ipapadala niya ang Holy Spirit at yung pangalawa po ay yung sinasabe ni Jesus na ipapadala niya ang Holy Spirit. Tapos po nun, binasa niya yung sinabe ni Jesus sa bible na yung ipanapada ay hindi nakakahigit sa nagpapadala. So sabe po nung ministro na panu daw magiging pantay ang Ama at anak kung ipanadala ng Ama ang Anak. Di rin daw po pwede na pantay ang HS at anak dahil ipanadala lamang ng Anak ang HS daw po. Saka di rin daw po panatay ang HS sa Ama dahil pinadala rin ng Ama ang HS. Pasensya na po kung di ko na maalala yung mga exact bible verses, gusto ko lang po talaga malaman kung panu dapat sagutin ang mga INC sa argument nilang iyon..thanks po
Thanks for your message for Bro. Mars, Bro. Denzzky. Mars and I were together the last two days giving apologetics to the Seminarians and group of lay people in Baguio City. We were so happy.
ReplyDeleteBro. Ivan, thank you so for your beautiful defense of the faith. Wow, I can already entrust to you the management of this Blog. He, he, he... You can refute heresies so well.
God bless you both.
Hello po Fr. ABe, di ko po alam kung saan i-post yung tanung ko kaya dito na lang po,sana mabasa niyo...
ReplyDeleteNung isang araw po nakinig ako dun sa "ang tamang daan" ng INC tungkol sa trinity po, i know well the church doctrines kaya tawa lang ako ng tawa sa mga sinasabe nung INC minister. Pero natigilan po ako nung may binaggit yung INC minister na quotes from the bible, yung una po verse from the bible kung saan sinasabe ni God na ipapadala niya ang Holy Spirit at yung pangalawa po ay yung sinasabe ni Jesus na ipapadala niya ang Holy Spirit. Tapos po nun, binasa niya yung sinabe ni Jesus sa bible na yung ipanapada ay hindi nakakahigit sa nagpapadala. So sabe po nung ministro na panu daw magiging pantay ang Ama at anak kung ipanadala ng Ama ang Anak. Di rin daw po pwede na pantay ang HS at anak dahil ipanadala lamang ng Anak ang HS daw po. Saka di rin daw po panatay ang HS sa Ama dahil pinadala rin ng Ama ang HS. Pasensya na po kung di ko na maalala yung mga exact bible verses, gusto ko lang po talaga malaman kung panu dapat sagutin ang mga INC sa argument nilang iyon..thanks po
PART 1 Dear Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteThank you for your question.
Hindi lahat ng ipinapadala ay mas mababa. Nakakalungkot kasi hindi mo nakuha yung verse na ginamit nila para mausisa natin.
Subalit base sa aking memoria ang tinutukoy na talata ay ito:
John 13:16 [KJV] "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The SERVANT is NOT GREATER than his lord; neither he that is SENT greater than he that SENT him."
In Tagalog, "Ang ALIPIN AY HINDI DAKILA KAY SA KANIYANG PANGINOON; ni ang sinugo man ay dakila kay sa nagsugo sa kaniya."
Now, let us examine the text.
Obviously, the statement refers to the Master-Slave relationship and between the Boss-Subordinate level of relationship. The one with authority is greater than his inferior. Jesus is here talking about HIMSELF and THE APOSTLES whose feet he washed. JESUS IS ASKING THE APOSTLES TO FOLLOW HIS EXAMPLES BECAUSE THEY ARE HIS SUBORDINATES. IF THE MASTER SERVED THEY MUST SERVED AS WELL.
That is the CONTEXT and the MEANING of the statement.
It is nowhere stated there that Jesus is lower than the Father because He sent Him and it is also not mentioned that the Holy Spirit is lower to Jesus. Obviously, the INC pastors are violating the Scriptures in their use of text application.
Now, between the Master and the Slave of course the Master is higher than the slave, between the king and the envoy the king is higher, between the president and the ambassador that he sent, the president is higher.
But, is that analogy applicable and correct with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? NO! Because the Son is not the slave of the Father and vice versa. And in the same manner, the Holy Spirit is not the slave of the Son.
Not everyone that is sent is inferior. For example. If the business man requested his partner to represent him in a business convention the one sent is not an inferior but an equal. The same thing if the one sent is the wife. Of course, she is an equal partner of the husband and not a subordinate.
I know of companies that the owner is the father, but the old father let the son to be the CEO. Of course, virtually speaking the father is still the owner of all thing and is higher than the son but the son orders the father to sign documents, and even sending him to negotiate on his behalf or to visit some places that he cannot go to.
SO, EVEN IN OUR HUMAN SITUATIONS THAT REASONING OF THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO MINISTERS DOESN'T HOLD WATER.
Part 2
ReplyDeleteIS THE SON SUBORDINATE TO THE FATHER? NO!
Because THE BIBLE SPEAKS OF THEM BOTH AS GOD.
Jn 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was GOD."
And God the Father, Himself, called the Son as God:
"Your throne, O GOD, will last forever and ever..." [Hebrews 1:8].
The Father even added that the one who made the universe is THE SON:
"In the beginning, O LORD, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands." [Hebrews 1:10]
Much more, the Father referred to Jesus as Eternal and Unchanging:
"But YOU remain the same, and your years will never end." [Hebrews 1:12]
DEFINITELY THAT IS NOT THE DESCRIPTION FOR A SUBORDINATE OR ONE WHO IS INFERIOR. CLEARLY, THE FATHER HIMSELF EXALTS THE SON TO HIGH HEAVEN AND IS GIVING HIM TITLES RESERVE FOR HIM ALONE. SHOWING THE SUBSTANTIAL UNITY BETWEEN THEM.
HOW ABOUT THE CLAIM THAT THE FATHER MERELY SENT THE SON HERE ON EARTH?
ReplyDeleteThe Father sent the Son not as subordinate but to be the PERFECT MANIFESTATION OF HIS BEING:
Hebrews 1:3 "The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the EXACT REPRESENTATION OF HIS BEING, sustaining ALL THINGS by HIs powerful Word."
Also, the sending of the Son is not by force of subordination but THE SON'S VOLUNTARY EXPRESSION OF LOVE OF THE FATHER:
Hebrew 10:5-7 [NIV] "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body You prepared for me; with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased. Then I said, 'HERE I AM - as it is written about Me in the scroll - I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.'"
Is that an image of a person simply forced to do something. No. Jesus is not like the angels who simply minister before God. He is a Son who freely and voluntarily offered Himself to the Father.
The analogy here is like a Powerful King [the Father] saying: "I need someone to do the most difficult mission on how to defeat the enemy [Satan]." Then the Son, came forward on His own: "Here I am Father, I will do it." Then the Father appointed Him and sent Him. But, that doesn't mean that he is subordinate because he is equal with the Father and he could refuse the Father. Remember that JESUS IS THE KING OF KINGS AND THE LORD OF LORDS [cf. Revelation 19:16].
The portion above is Part 3.
ReplyDeletePart 4
NOW LET US PROCEED TO THE HOLY SPIRIT.
Is the Holy Spirit subordinate to Jesus? NO. Because the Spirit is God also:
John 4:24 [King James Version] "God is a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth."
O, ho... The King James Version scholars even capitalized the word "Spirit" in 'God is a Spirit' in order to signify the oneness of God and the Spirit. The Spirit is God and God is the Spirit. That is interchangeable. That is why the Holy Spirit is also THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
* In Genesis 1:2 it was THE SPIRIT OF GOD who moved the waters before He spoke "Let there be ligh."
* In 1 Samuel 10:10 it is the Spirit of God that made the prophets prophesied. [1 Sam 19:20]
* In 2 Chronicles 15:1 and 24:20 the coming of the Spirit of God is the same as the coming or presence of God.
* The Holy Spirit is Creator like the Father and the Son:
Job 33:4 [KJV] The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
* Only God is good but the Spirit of God is good:
Psalm 143:10 [KJV] Teach me to do thy will; for thou art my God: thy spirit is good; lead me into the land of uprightness.
* The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ. If the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the two then, the Spirit of God is a slave of Christ and the Spirit of Christ is the slave of the Father. ABSURD!!!
Romans 8:9 [KJV] But ye are not in the flesh, but in THE SPIRIT, if so be that THE SPIRIT OF GOD dwell in you. Now if any man have not THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his.
* The Spirit searches EVERYTHING EVEN THE DEEPEST THINGS OF GOD. Why? He is the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ. He is God.
1 Corinthians 2:10 [KJV] "...for the Spirit searcheth ALL THINGS, yea, the deep things of God."
Part 5
ReplyDeleteHOW CAN THE HOLY SPIRIT BE SUBORDINATE TO CHRIST WHEN HE SENT THE SPIRIT, WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT ALSO 'SENT' HIM?
Mark 1:12 [New International Version] "At once the Spirit sent him out into the desert..." [In King James Version: "The Spirit driveth him away..." and in Tagalog ANG BIBLIA: "Itinaboy siya ng Espiritu"]
The English King James Version is terrible. It says the Holy Spirit drove Jesus away. Ha, ha, ha... Does it mean that Jesus is inferior to the Spirit? Absurd.
The Holy Spirit anointed Jesus and sent Jesus to preach:
Luke 4:18 [NIV]"The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. HE HAS SENT ME to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed," [Isaiah 61:1/ 48:16-17 NIV]
Wait, I thought that the Father was the One who send and anointed Jesus. How come it is stated here by Jesus Himself and by the prophet Isaiah that it was the Holy Spirit who SENT THE LORD JESUS AND ANOINTED HIM. He, he, he... It means that the Father and the Holy Spirit are ONE.