This is My Body Anonymous said...
Dear Father,
Thank you so mutch all the wesdom that you shared to me. I can gain a lot of knowledge regarding our Catholic Faith because of you Father my question is What is the defference beetwen the HUMA NATURE OF JESUS CHRIST and our life as a HUMAN BEING?
Tank you so mutch and GOD BLESS TO YOU ....
November 21, 2009 7:19 PM
Fr. Abe, CRS said...
[What is the defference beetwen the HUMAN NATURE OF JESUS CHRIST and our life as a HUMAN BEING?]
The human nature of Christ is perfect and sinless because it is especially created by God for His Son's incarnation. While ours is affected by sin caused by Adam's disobedience to God. Thus, Jesus is one with us in all things but sin.
It is perfect which is similar but much better with the human nature of Adam before the Original Sin. It possesses perfect virtues and holiness. Thus, Jesus says that 'you have something more than Solomon and Jonah' in His presence.
The body of Jesus is not formed by the sexual union of man and woman but by the supernatural power of God. It was through the power of the Holy Spirit acting through the body of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
November 22, 2009 6:41 PM
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Good day Father,
ReplyDeleteI learned a lot of things from this blog. Thank you very much for your generosity and zeal in sharing and proclaiming the Good News of Jesus Christ and his Church. I salute you for this.
Father, I want you to read and comment on this article I found about the suffering of Jesus. Here is the link: http://www.firstthings.com/article/2007/01/does-god-suffer-6
I need to be clarified on the human suffering of Jesus if his divinity also experienced the same.
Thank you and God bless
Dear Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteThe term 'God died' or 'God suffered for us' is not invented by simple members of the Church but found in the Official Catechism of the Church and supported by Patristic writings.
However, it must be clarified that the term God in that phrase refers to THE INCARNATE SON OF GOD. It refers to Jesus who suffered and died for us. It does not point to God the Father and the Holy Spirit.
Now concerning your need to be clarified on the human suffering of Jesus if his DIVINITY ALSO EXPERIENCED THE SAME. Of course the Divinity didn't experienced the same because the Godhead cannot suffer but the phrase 'God died' refers not to the Godhead but to the Person of Jesus Christ and the historical event of the Crucifixion. It happened when the Eternal Word took flesh.
There lies the mystery of our faith. God cannot die but by Incarnation God suffered and died for us on the Cross. The same mystery is expressed by Nativity. God cannot be born but the Mystery of Christmas proclaims that God was born by Mary in Bethlehem. In the same manner what was born was not the Godhead but the Person of the Incarnate Logos.
That article in First Thing magazine is obviously an answer to other contemporary theologians supporting the phrase 'God died'. Some of those theologians are named JOHN PAUL THE GREAT and JOSEF CARDINAL RATZINGER, to name a few.
The author advocates total absence of suffering on the part of God which is never denied by anyone. Now, the question is WHEN JESUS WAS HANGING ON THE CROSS WAS HE MAN ONLY OR GOD-MAN STILL? He, he, he... OF COURSE, THE ANSWER IS GOD-MAN. Because the union of Divinity and Humanity of Jesus was never separated. We simply give DISTINCTION [which is not a separation but simply pointing the difference] that suffering and death have their principle of operation form His Humanity while HIs redemptive act while on the Cross has its principle of operation from His Divinity. But essentially speaking they are SUBSTANTIALLY UNITED.
The position of the article and those that it answers are actually complementary to one another. That is why the Church sees no problem to sanction any of the two position. They are both efforts to explain and understand the mystery of the Incarnation of the Son of God and its relation to the Godhead or the very Being of God.
CORRECTION:
ReplyDelete"That is why the Church sees no REASON to sanction any of the two position."
Dear Father,
ReplyDeleteGood evening Father, maitanong lang po,totoo po ba na empty daw ang katawan ni Jesus noong nang diyan siya sa libingan with 3 days?ito ay isa namang turo ng isang CFD doon sa Davao City na magpangalang Joe Buanjog,isa rin siyang opisyal ng nasabing organisasyon.
Gumamit pa siya ng dogma, dictionary,correct gramar daw at mga birsikulo ng bibliya.
Father sa totoo lang naguluhan talaga ako,hindi ko maintidahan ang grupong ito,hindi talaga standard ang teaching nila,alam ko matagal na ang isyo na ito ngunit hanggang ngayon walang katapusan ang kanilang pagdibati regarding the Hypostatic Union.
Diba Father ang 2 nature of Jesus ay hindi pwinding magkahiway kahit pa man sa kamatayan niya sa Krus hangang sa libingan? diba ito ang opisyal na turo ng ating simbahan?
Father ayo kuna sa mag post nito ngunit wala akong ibang mapuntahan kung di ikaw lang para maliwanagan po ako.Sana naintindihan mo ang posisyon ko...
Donato.....
DEAR BRO. DONATO,
ReplyDelete[Good evening Father, maitanong lang po,totoo po ba na empty daw ang katawan ni Jesus noong nang diyan siya sa libingan with 3 days?]
HINDI TUTUO YAN KASI ANG ARAL NA IYAN AY HERESIANG TINURO NG PROTESTANTENG SI JOHN AESPINUS SA KANYANG LECTURES SA MGA PROTESTANT MINISTERS NG HAMBURG NOONG 1544. Please read:
http://www.bookofconcord.org/historical-19.php
ITO AY TAHASANG KINONTRA KAHIT NA NG IBA PANG MGA PROTESTANTS TULAD NILA LUTHER AT CALVIN AT IBA PA. SUBALIT ANG MGA PROTESTANTS AY HINDI NAGKAKAISA HINGGIL SA ISSUE NA ITO NOONG 16TH CENTURY.
SA KABALANG DAKO ANG IGLESIA CATOLICA AY DIRECTA, SPECIFICO AT TAHASANG KINONDINA AT DINEKLARANG MALI ANG ARAL NA IYAN:
"When, therefore, we say that Jesus died, we mean that His soul was disunited from His Body. WE DO NOT ADMIT, however, THAT THE DIVINITY WAS SEPARATED FROM HIS BODY. On the contrary, WE FIRMLY BELIEVE AND PROFESS that when His soul was dissocitated from His body, HIS DIVINITY CONTINUED ALWAYS UNITED BOTH TO HIS BODY IN THE SEPULCHRE and TO HIS SOUL IN LIMBO."
(from THE CATECHISM OF THE COUNCIL OF TRENT, Art. IV, Part 2 'Christ Really Died'. Roman Catechism issued by Pope St. Pius V, trans. into English with notes by John A. McHugh, O.P. and Charles J. Callan, O.P. [both Masters in Sacred Theology & Doctors of Literature], TAN BOOKS AND PUBLISHERS, INC., Rockford, Illinois 1982, page 55. Highlights by capitalization are mine.)
BAKIT ITO NI-REJECT NG COUNCIL OF TRENT AT NI POPE ST. PIUS V? KASI ANG HERESIAN IYAN AY SUMASALUNGAT SA DOGMA NG HYPOSTATIC UNION O NG ESSENTIAL NA PAGKAKAISA NG PAGKADIOS AT PAGKATAO NG PANGINOONG JESU-CRISTO NA HINDI MAAARING PAGHIWALAYIN KELANMAN:
We, then, following the holy Fathers, all with one consent, teach people to confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, the same perfect in Godhead and also perfect in manhood; truly God and truly man, of a reasonable [rational] soul and body; consubstantial [co-essential] with the Father according to the Godhead, and consubstantial with us according to the Manhood; in all things like unto us, without sin; begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead, and in these latter days, for us and for our salvation, born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, according to the Manhood; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, only begotten, to be acknowledged in two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; (ἐν δύο φύσεσιν ἀσυγχύτως, ἀτρέπτως, ἀδιαιρέτως, ἀχωρίστως - in duabus naturis inconfuse, immutabiliter, indivise, inseparabiliter) the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved, and concurring in one Person (prosopon) and one Subsistence (hypostasis), not parted or divided into two persons, but one and the same Son, and only begotten, God the Word, the Lord Jesus Christ; as the prophets from the beginning [have declared] concerning Him, and the Lord Jesus Christ Himself has taught us, and the Creed of the holy Fathers has handed down to us.(The Chalcedonian Deefinition. Agreed at the Fourth Ecumenical Council at Chalcedon in 451. Cf. The Church Teaches, Documents of the Church in English Translations, By Jesuit Fathers of St. Mary's College. TAN BOOKS AND PUBLISHERS, INC. Rockford, Illinois 1973. Page 172.)
Tignan mong mabuti ang characteristics of the union: Inconfusedly, Unchangeably, Indivisibly, Inseparably. In other translations as written in the book I cited above it is rendered: No confusion, no change, no division and NO SEPARATION.
ReplyDeleteWalang panahon mula ng mag-Incarnate ang Logos na naghiwalay ang Divinity at Humanity ni Jesus. Kahit sa Cross... kahit sa Tomb. ANG NAGHIWALAY NUNG MAMATAY SI JESUS AY ANG KANYANG KATAWAN AT KALULUWA. Kaya Soul lang ni Jesus ang bumaba sa Hell kasi ang Katawan ay naiwan sa Tomb subalit that Soul is God. Ang Katawan ni Cristo sa Libangan ay walang kaluluwa subalit taglay pa rin niya ang Kanyang Pagka-Dios. Kaya, tama ang term na ginamit din ng mga Councils at mga Church FAthers and Catechisms: GOD DIED! He died not as regards Divinity but as regards His Humanity.
[ito ay isa namang turo ng isang CFD doon sa Davao City na magpangalang Joe Buanjog,isa rin siyang opisyal ng nasabing organisasyon.]
ReplyDeleteO GOOD LORD. BAKA MAGALIT SA AKIN YAN HA. HE, HE, HE... I AM NOT ATTACKING ANY PERSON HERE ESPECIALLY OUR COMRADES IN APOLOGETICS. BUT AS I EXPLAINED MY POSITION IS CLEARLY, SPECIFICALLY, AND DIRECTLY AND WORD FOR WORD STATED BY POPE ST. PIUS V AND THE ROMAN CATECHISM WHICH IS THE FIRST EVER UNIVERSAL CATECHISM IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THE CCC NOW IS ONLY THE SECOND.
[Gumamit pa siya ng dogma, dictionary,correct gramar daw at mga birsikulo ng bibliya.]
WALANG DOGMA NA NAGSASAAD NA NAGHIWALAY ANG DIVINITY AT HUMANITY NI JESUS WHEN HE DIED. WALA DIN YAN SA BIBLIA. SIGURADO AKO DYAN KASI DOGMATIC THEOLOGY ANG MASTERS KO.
[Father sa totoo lang naguluhan talaga ako,hindi ko maintidahan ang grupong ito,hindi talaga standard ang teaching nila,alam ko matagal na ang isyo na ito ngunit hanggang ngayon walang katapusan ang kanilang pagdibati regarding the Hypostatic Union.]
WALANG MASAMA SA DEBATE. KAHIT TAYONG MGA CATOLICO AY PWEDENG MAGDEBATE. HINDI LAHAT NG CFD AY NAG ARAL NG THEOLOGY. YUNG IBA AY SELF STUDY LAMANG. KAYA DAHIL DITO MERONG NAGPIPILIT NG PERSONAL INTERPRETATIONS NILA. SUBALIT TAPAT SA PANANAMPALATAYA ANG CFD-DAVAO AT CEBU AS A GROUP.
ANG PAGKAKAIBA LANG AY SA INTERPRETASYON NG DOGMA. KAMING MGA PARI HINDI BASTA-BASTA NAG-AAKUSA NG HERESY. TINITIGNAN DIN NATIN ANG KAKAYAHAN, LIMITASYON AT ANG INTENTION NG BAWAT TAO. HINDI NAMAN TAYO PERFECTO. ANG MAHALAGA ANG MGA CFD AY NAGSUSUMIKAP NA PAG-ARALAN ANG MGA DOGMA NG SIMBAHAN KAHIT SILA AY MGA LAY. THAT'S POSITIVE. KUNG MAGKAMALI, E DI I-TATAMA NAMIN. BUT LET US NOT CONDEMN. LET US LOVE OUR APOLOGISTS.
[Diba Father ang 2 nature of Jesus ay hindi pwinding magkahiway kahit pa man sa kamatayan niya sa Krus hangang sa libingan? diba ito ang opisyal na turo ng ating simbahan?]
YES. NAIPAKITA KO NA SA TAAS. YAN ANG TURO NG COUNCIL OF CHALCEDON AT NI POPE ST. LEO THE GREAT.
[Father ayo kuna sa mag post nito ngunit wala akong ibang mapuntahan kung di ikaw lang para maliwanagan po ako.Sana naintindihan mo ang posisyon ko...
Donato.....]
NAIINTINDIHAN KITA DONATO. SANA MAINTINDIHAN MO RIN ANG MGA CFD. MARAMI SILANG TINUTURONG TAMA AT GINAGAWANG MABUTI SA SIMBAHAN. KUNG MAGKAMALI MAN SA ISANG BAGAY AY UNAWAIN NATIN AT TULUNGAN.
GOD BLESS YOU ALWAYS. GOD BLESS CFD!