INFANT BAPTISM BIBLICALLY DEFENDED, PART 4 By Fr. Abe P. Arganiosa, CRS

Russian Icon of the Baptism of the Lord. It is never stated in the Bible that Jesus was Immersed or Dipped into the Water when He was Baptized. That lie is perpetrated by the enemies of the Church.

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Now that I have proven that the CHILD or INFANT really are not worthy yet of baptism since they don’t have faith, here are some of my questions to our Fr. Abe

First, why Christ is not baptized during his infant stage? As we all know that the model of Christianity is Christ. If Christ has not been baptized, I think we must follow the model, we must also be baptized when we are already at the right what do you think Fr. Abe? Am I right? explanation po Fr. Abe....

Secondly, one of the basic doctrines of Catholicism is baptism, and we all know that one of the factor that Catholics allow the children or infant to be baptized is because of the original sin which come from Adam himself according to the Catholics and the children inherit that sin, now my question is, Fr. Abe if you may, can you explained this verse…

Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. IT SAYS THAT THE INQUITY OF THE FATHER CAN'T BE BEAR BY THE SON

Third, Why does Catholics need to pay baptism? Because Paul even don't get money in spreading the good news 1Co 9:18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel. we all know that BAPTISM is part of the GOSPEL :D why Fr. Abe? why do Catholics pay for baptism?

Lastly, why does the baptism in Catholic is different from the Bible? As we all know that the baptism in Catholic is just pouring of water, while in the Bible is this, let us read Mat 3:13-16

Mat 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

Mat 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Jesus is being baptized through wenting up straightway out of the water, meaning he was been dip in the water.

Also it is written in Mark 10:39 Mar 10:39 At sinabi nila sa kaniya, Kaya namin. At sinabi sa kanila ni Jesus, Ang sarong aking iinuman ay iinuman ninyo; AT SA BAUTISMO NA IBINAUTISMO SA AKIN AY BABAUTISMUHAN KAYO;

Parehas daw po dapat ang bautismo naten sa bautismo ni Christ sabi nya…

Also, another information, my preacher says that the old fashion way of baptizing in Catholic is dipping through water but I THINK AS FAR AS I REMEMBER WHAT MY PREACHER TOLD ME, the Rome change it by just pouring water to head? Is this true Fr. Abe? Thank you very much…

Part IV - Final (tenk yu for letting a HS Student write on your blog :D)

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[Now that I have proven that the CHILD or INFANT really are not worthy yet of baptism since they don’t have faith, here are some of my questions to our Fr. Abe]

YOU HAVE NOT PROVEN ANYTHING. YOU ONLY MANIFESTED TO US THE SHALLOWNESS OF YOUR REASONING.

[First, why Christ is not baptized during his infant stage?]

CHRIST WAS BAPTIZED WHEN HE WAS THIRTY YEARS OLD:

Luke 3:21-23 (King James Version)

21Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

22And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

23And Jesus himself began to be about THIRTY YEARS OF AGE, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

HOW COME THAT NO RELIGION EXISTING NOW WAITS UNTIL THE AGE OF 30 BEFORE GIVING BAPTISM TO MEMBERS? HOW ABOUT YOUR RELIGION? DO YOU WAIT FOR THE AGE OF 30?

WHO DETERMINES THE AGE FOR YOUR BAPTISM? HOW COME SOME ARE BAPTIZING AT 7 WHILE OTHERS AT 12? HOW ABOUT YOUR RELIGION IN WHAT AGE DO YOU GIVE THE BAPTISM?

[As we all know that the model of Christianity is Christ. If Christ has not been baptized, I think we must follow the model, we must also be baptized when we are already at the right what do you think Fr. Abe? Am I right? explanation po Fr. Abe....]

WHY ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE MODEL? WHY DO YOU NOT WAIT FOR THE AGE OF THIRTY BEFORE GIVING BAPTISM TO YOUR MEMBERS?

JESUS IS ALSO BAPTIZED IN JORDAN RIVER. HOW COME YOU ARE NOT BRINGING ALL YOUR MEMBERS TO THE SAME RIVER FOR BAPTISM?

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ACTUALLY FOLLOWS JESUS. JESUS DIDN’T PROVIDE AN AGE LIMIT FOR BAPTISM SO WE DO NOT PROVIDE AGE LIMIT. THE APOSTLES DID THE SAME.

HOW COME YOU HAVE AGE-LIMIT IN YOUR RELIGION? WHERE DID YOU GET THAT? THAT IS UNBIBLICAL AND THEREFORE SATANIC IN ORIGIN BY YOUR STANDARD. IF THERE IS AN AGE LIMIT FOR BAPTISM, WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. HA, HA, HA...

[Secondly, one of the basic doctrines of Catholicism is baptism, and we all know that one of the factor that Catholics allow the children or infant to be baptized is because of the original sin which come from Adam himself according to the Catholics and the children inherit that sin, now my question is, Fr. Abe if you may, can you explained this verse…

Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. IT SAYS THAT THE INQUITY OF THE FATHER CAN'T BE BEAR BY THE SON]

THE THEOLOGY OF ORIGINAL SIN IS BASED BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH FROM THE SIN OF ADAM BY WHICH ALL HAVE SINNED. BEFORE I GIVE OUR BIBLICAL SUPPORT FOR ORIGINAL SIN LET ME EXPLAIN EZEKIEL 18:20. LET ME CITE IT IN GOOD NEWS BIBLE OR TODAY’S ENGLISH VERSION FOR A CLEAR TRANSLATION INTO MODERN LANGUAGE:

Ezekiel 18:20 [GNB] "It is the one who sins who will die. A son is not to suffer because of his father's sins, nor a father because of the sins of his son. Good people will be rewarded for doing good, and evil people will suffer for the evil they do."

THIS IS SIMPLE. THIS IS NOT REFERRING TO ORIGINAL SIN BUT TO ACTUAL SIN. IF THE FATHER COMMITTED MURDER IT IS UNJUST TO IMPRISON THE SON FOR THE SIN OF HIS FATHER. EACH PERSON SHALL BE REWARDED ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS:

Romans 2:6 "For God will reward EACH of us according to what we have done."

IF ONE DID A GOOD THING IT IS UNJUST IF THAT GOOD IS ATTRIBUTED TO ANOTHER EXCEPT GOD HIMSELF WHO IS THE SOURCE OF ALL GOOD.

NOW, WHERE DID WE GET THE ORIGINAL SIN:

1 Corinthians 15:21-22 (New International Version)

21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam ALL die, so in Christ ALL will be made alive.

AND DEATH IS THE WAGES OF SIN:

Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

FROM ADAM THE REST OF HUMANITY IS AFFECTED BY SIN. WE CALL THAT FIRST SIN OR ORIGINAL SIN BECAUSE ADAM IS THE FIRST MAN OR THE ORIGINAL PARENT OF MANKIND.

[Third, Why does Catholics need to pay baptism?]

THERE IS NO PAYMENT. NO MONETARY AMOUNT IS A Conditio Sine Qua Non FOR BAPTISM. IT IS NEVER A RULE IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THAT ONE CANNOT BE BAPTIZED WITHOUT PAYMENT. THERE IS WHAT WE CALL IN FILIPINO PARLANCE: “PAKIMKIM”, i.e., THE SMALL AMOUNT GIVEN BY GODPARENTS TO THE CHURCH AS AN OFFERING TO THE LORD AS THANKSGIVING FOR THE BAPTISM OF THE CHILD AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY ARE HANDING TO THE PARENTS AS A GIFT FOR THE FUTURE OF THE CHILD. THUS WE HAVE OFFERINGS NOT FROM THE CHILD BUT FROM GODPARENTS.

BUT THIS IS DONE ONCE IN A LIFETIME. WE DO NOT REPEAT BAPTISM. UNLIKE MANY OTHER RELIGIONS AROUND THEY DEMAND REGULAR TITHING FROM MEMBERS. THAT IS SUCKING THE MONEY OF THE MEMBERS.

[Because Paul even don't get money in spreading the good news 1Co 9:18 What is my reward then? ]

AND SO DO WE. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CONVERTED THE NATIONS OF THE WEST WITHOUT ASKING PAYMENT FROM ANYONE. WE ARE ALSO PREACHING FOR FREE. SINCE WHEN OUR PREACHING HAVE A CORRESPONDING PAYMENT. YOUR PASTORS ARE DEMANDING AN EXACTING 10% TITHING. THAT IS EVIL. BECAUSE HE IS NOT USING THAT FOR THE LORD BUT FOR THE SUSTENANCE OF HIS WIFE AND HIS KIDS. THAT IS SELF-SERVING. WHEN WE DIE ALL THE PROPERTIES OF THE CHURCH REMAINS WITH THE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY ARE OWNED BY THE LOCAL CHURCH. NO CHILDREN WILL SERVE AS OUR HEIRS BECAUSE WE ARE CELIBATE LIKE CHRIST AND THE APOSTLES.

[Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel. we all know that BAPTISM is part of the GOSPEL :D why Fr. Abe? why do Catholics pay for baptism? ]

I DON’T KNOW WHO IS THE ANIMAL WHO TOLD YOU THAT

THERE IS A PAYMENT FOR BAPTISM AND I CANNOT FATHOM WHY YOU ARE SO FOOLISH TO BELIEVE THAT RASCAL.

[Lastly, why does the baptism in Catholic is different from the Bible?]

THE BAPTISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS FROM THE BIBLE AND IS BASED ON THE BIBLE. HOW CAN WE BE DIFFERENT WHEN THE BIBLE CAME FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND NOT FROM YOUR RELIGION?

[As we all know that the baptism in Catholic is just pouring of water,]

LIAR, LIAR, LIAR... THERE ARE THREE KINDS OF BAPTISM FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH:

1. IMMERSION

2. POURING

3. SPRINKLING

BUT THOSE MOSTLY USED ARE THE POURING AND IMMERSION. THE SPRINKLING IS USUALLY RESERVE TO THE REMEMBRANCES OF OUR BAPTISM.

[while in the Bible is this, let us read Mat 3:13-16]

OK LET US READ THIS PASSAGE.

[Mat 3:13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.]

WHERE IS IT STATED THAT JESUS WAS IMMERSED OR DIPPED IN THE RIVER? NOWHERE!!! HA, HA, HA...

[Mat 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.]

WHERE IS IT STATED THAT JESUS WAS IMMERSED OR DIPPED IN THE RIVER? NOTHING. HA, HA, HA...

[Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: ]

WHERE IS IT STATED THAT JESUS WAS IMMERSED OR DIPPED IN THE RIVER? NOTHING. HA, HA, HA... JESUS “WENT UP STRAIGHTWAY OUT OF WATER” YES, BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE WAS DIPPED OR IMMERSED ON THE WATER. EVEN IF THE WATER REACHED ONLY UNTIL THE FEET OF JESUS BUT IF THE RIVER SIDE IS HIGHER IT IS STATED: “HE WENT UP FROM THE WATER”. SO, NOWHERE STILL. HA, HA, HA...

[Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Jesus is being baptized through wenting up straightway out of the water, meaning he was been dip in the water.]

WHERE IS IT STATED THAT JESUS WAS IMMERSED OR DIPPED IN THE RIVER? NOTHING. HA, HA, HA... JESUS “WENT UP STRAIGHTWAY OUT OF WATER” YES, BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE WAS DIPPED OR IMMERSED ON THE WATER. EVEN IF THE WATER REACHED ONLY UNTIL THE FEET OF JESUS BUT IF THE RIVER SIDE IS HIGHER IT IS STATED: “HE WENT UP FROM THE WATER”. SO, NOWHERE STILL. HA, HA, HA...

[Also it is written in Mark 10:39 Mar 10:39 At sinabi nila sa kaniya, Kaya namin. At sinabi sa kanila ni Jesus, Ang sarong aking iinuman ay iinuman ninyo; AT SA BAUTISMO NA IBINAUTISMO SA AKIN AY BABAUTISMUHAN KAYO;

Parehas daw po dapat ang bautismo naten sa bautismo ni Christ sabi nya…]

KAYA NGA. PERO WALANG SINABI NA SI CRISTO AY INILUBOG SA ILOG. SAAN MO YAN NAKUHA MULA SA BANAL NA KASULATAN?

[Also, another information, my preacher says that the old fashion way of baptizing in Catholic is dipping through water but I THINK AS FAR AS I REMEMBER WHAT MY PREACHER TOLD ME, the Rome change it by just pouring water to head? Is this true Fr. Abe? Thank you very much…]

NOT TRUE AT ALL. YOUR PREACHER IS SIMPLY FOOLING YOU AND HAVE LIED TO HIS TEETH. DIPPING AND POURING ARE EQUALLY ACCEPTED AS MEANS OF BAPTIZING FOR US CATHOLICS. BOTH ARE BIBLICAL.

THERE IS NO NEED FOR ME TO EXPLAIN DIPPING OR IMMERSION BECAUSE YOU ARE ACCEPTING IT. SO HERE ARE SOME OF THE PASSAGES SUPPORTING POURING OF WATER AS MEANS OF GIVING GOD’S SPIRIT WHICH FOR US CATHOLICS SIGNIFY BAPTISM:

Isaiah 44:3 "I will give WATER to the thirsty land and make streams flow on the dry ground. I will POUR out MY SPIRIT on your children and my blessing on your descendants."

AS YOU CAN SEE THAT PROPHECY REFERRING TO THE MESSIANIC AGE SPEAKS OF WATER AND THROUGH WHICH GOD WILL POUR HIS SPIRIT. THIS HAS BEEN FULFILLED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT:

Titus 3:5-6 "he saved us. It was not because of any good deeds that we ourselves had done, but because of his own mercy that he saved us, through the Holy Spirit, who gives us new birth and new life by washing us. God POURED out the Holy Spirit abundantly on us through Jesus Christ our Savior,"

IN TAGALOG WHAT IS POURED IS NOT ONLY THE HOLY SPIRIT BUT ALSO THE WASHING OF REGENERATION WHICH IS OF COURSE BAPTISM IN CATHOLIC THEOLOGY:

Tito 3:5 "Na hindi dahil sa mga gawa sa katuwiran na ginawa nating sarili, kundi ayon sa kaniyang kaawaan ay kaniyang iniligtas tayo, sa pamamagitan ng paghuhugas sa muling kapanganakan at ng pagbabago sa Espiritu Santo, Na kaniyang IBINUHOS ng sagana sa atin, sa pamamagitan ni Jesucristo na ating Tagapagligtas;"

AND WHERE DID WE GET THE SPRINKLING OF WATER:

Ezekiel 36:25-27 (King James Version)

25Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

THAT PROPHECY WHICH GOD HIMSELF UTTERED IS OF COURSE FULFILLED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT:

Hebrews 10:22 (King James Version)

22Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

[Part IV - Final (tenk yu for letting a HS Student write on your blog :D)]

YOU ARE WELCOME.

BUT THERE IS NO NEED TO PRETEND. WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE LYING IN YOUR CLAIMS. HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS WILL NOT HESITATE TO REVEAL THEIR NAMES BECAUSE THEY ARE INNOCENT AND ARE ASKING WITH NO MALICE. THEY DON’T NEED TO HIDE. ON YOUR PART, YOU NEED TO HIDE. YOU HAVE A HIDDEN AGENDA. YOU WANT TO ATTACK SO THAT YOUR VICTIM CANNOT RETALIATE EFFICIENTLY AS HE WANTS TO. YOU ARE VERY CUNNING AND SNAKE-LIKE.