REFUTING AN ANONYMOUS ANTI-CATHOLIC

Philosophy teaching in University of Paris during the Middle Ages. Cours de philosophie à Paris Grandes chroniques de France Source=Castres, bibliothèque municipale, 14th century

Anonymous said...

After you killed millions of religious minorities in the middle ages (Dark Ages), do you still have the temerity to show to the world your church as such? "Truth, Beauty, Grandeur, Majesty"?

"Truth" -as based on Aquinas' prostitution of Hebraic and Hellenistic ideas? "Beauty" -as an adornment of pagan witchcraft and heathen philosophies?

"Grandeur" -the grandeur of that Roman, Roman, Roman strength, rather than the Judaic simplicity of Christ's apostolic, scriptural Christianity?

"Majesty" -what is this? An empty nonsense? Mere outward majesty that persecutes other christian minorities? Outward majesty bereft of true spirituality? Your ceremonies are grand, it is of such quality as to strike man's senses. But this outward majesty is the very evidence of inward corruption, the corruption of your church, which is full of confused teachings -the writings of the non-apostolic fathers contradicting themselves! Your church is, above all, materialistic. Christ said to the Roman procurator "My kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36).. But you are making Christ as if to rule this earth with your pope, a material kingdom to be governed with jesuitism, Knights of Columbus, cruel inquisition, and other institutions built to force the world in the future to the autodafe. Christ's kingdom is spiritual, and His material reign is to be realized when He arrives the second time, when He will make all things new (Revelation 21:5; Isaiah 65:17). "yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these they will do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor Me" (John 16:2,3)..

April 21, 2010 [6:48pm]

FR. ABE'S REPLY:

[After you killed millions of religious minorities in the middle ages (Dark Ages), do you still have the temerity to show to the world your church as such? "Truth, Beauty, Grandeur, Majesty"?]

Hello, the population of Europe during the Middle Ages were only few millions if we killed millions then it means WE MURDERED OURSELVES since the great majority of the population were Catholics.

PLEASE TELL YOUR LIES TO THE MARINES.

The Catholic Church was the institution that promoted Education, Arts, Sciences and Philosophy in the West during the Middle Ages. That is why the oldest universities in Europe are Catholic established:

Medieval university is an institution of higher learning which was established during High Middle Ages period and is a corporation. The first medieval institutions generally considered to be universities were established in Italy, France, and England in the late 11th and the 12th centuries for the study of arts, law, medicine, and theology. These universities evolved from much older cathedral schools and monastic schools, and it is difficult to define the date at which they became true universities, although the lists of studia generalia for higher education in Europe held by the Vatican are a useful guide. "The word universitas originally applied only to the scholastic guild (or guilds)—that is, the corporation of students and masters—within the studium, and it was always modified, as universitas magistrorum, or universitas scholarium, or universitas magistrorum et scholarium. In the course of time, however, probably toward the latter part of the 14th century, the term began to be used by itself, with the exclusive meaning of a self-regulating community of teachers and scholars whose corporate existence had been recognized and sanctioned by civil or ecclesiastical authority."

The first universities in Europe (University of Bologna (1088), University of Paris (teach. mid-11th century, recogn. 1150), University of Oxford (teach. 1096, recogn. 1167), University of Modena (1175), University of Palencia (1208), University of Cambridge (1209), University of Salamanca (1218), University of Montpellier (1220), University of Padua (1222), University of Toulouse (1229) and University of Orleans (1235)) began as private corporations of teachers and their pupils. Soon they realized they need protection against local city authorities. They petitioned secular power for privileges and this became a model. Emperor Frederick I in Authentica Habita (1158) gave the first privileges to students in Bologna. Another step was when Pope Alexander III in 1179 "forbidding masters of the church schools to take fees for granting the license to teach (licentia docendi), and obliging them to give license to properly qualified teachers". [From WIKIPEDIA]

So, the Oxford and Cambridge Universities were Catholic founded as well as the revered University of Paris. If we are evil why don't you destroy all these evils that we have established? Why did others IMITATED them?

Those who were killed were due to Wars or those given death penalty after having violated the laws of the State during those times.

["Truth" -as based on Aquinas' prostitution of Hebraic and Hellenistic ideas?]

See, there goes your ignorance. IF YOU WANT TO PRESERVE PURE HELLENISTIC IDEAS THEN YOU MUST BE WORSHIPPING THE GODS AND GODDESSES OF ATHENS. Aquinas simply followed St. Paul's manner of purifying Hellenistic ideas and utilize them for the benefit of the Christian Faith.

IT WAS NOT AQUINAS WHO ORIGINALLY EMPLOYED HEBRAIC AND HELLENISTIC IDEAS FOR THE CHRISTIAN FAITH BUT ST. PAUL OF TARSUS.

Much more, those who preserved the Greek and Latin philosophical works as well as works of jurisprudence and literature are Catholic monks and scholars. They copied the ancient books for preservation, they established libraries and produced copies by rewriting them manually for years and years. You should be thanking us for our preservation of the classics instead of being an ingrate that you are.

["Beauty" -as an adornment of pagan witchcraft and heathen philosophies?]

Excuse me. It was the Catholic Church which destroyed pagan Temples in Egypt, Greece and Rome. We were the ones who defeated paganism and prohibited withcraft. In fact, that is one of the reasons why we are accused of killing during the Middle Ages because we punished those who were practicing Witchcraft. SO STOP USING YOUR STUPIDITY TO DISCREDIT OUR CATHOLIC FAITH.

["Grandeur" -the grandeur of that Roman, Roman, Roman strength, rather than the Judaic simplicity of Christ's apostolic, scriptural Christianity?]

Your concept of grandeur is very superficial. The Catholic Church is grand because it is blessed by the grace of God being the true Church. Even a simple flower can be grand and exceedingly beautiful. How much more the Church founded by the Lord Jesus. Besides, the Jewish faith started as simple during the Passover Meals but during the time of David and Solomon God commanded them to give the best of the best for the Temple.

Why, are you living the same simplicity lived by Jesus during His lifetime on earth? Are all members of your religion CARPENTERS like Joseph? EXCUSE ME. PROTESTANTS ARE VERY RICH TOO. EVEN THE ANTI CATHOLIC COMMUNISTS AND ATHEISTS ARE AIMING FOR ECONOMIC PROSPERITY.

The Catholic Church attained her grandeur in Arts and Sciences, in Philosophy and Jurisprudence and successfully converted civilizations because of the beauty of truth she is proclaiming and the splendor of our witnessing of the Christian Faith.

DON'T SPEAK TO ME AS IF YOUR RELIGION IS LIVING IN EXTREME POVERTY LIKE JESUS CHRIST. THAT IS SIMPLY HYPOCRISY.

["Majesty" -what is this? An empty nonsense?]

It is you who is nonsense. The Catholic Church has done a lot of good and has contributed much for the development of the world. Besides, the majesty I am talking there is not merely physical but based on the fact that the Catholic Church being composed of true believers of Christ belongs to the chosen race and royal priesthood preached by St. Peter in his epistle.

[Mere outward majesty that persecutes other christian minorities?]

Excuse me. On the contrary, we are the ones persecuted.

The Pagans of Rome fed to the lions and burned alive our forefathers... the early Catholics - the Christians of Rome.

The Communists in Soviet Union, China and Vietnam confiscated our Churches and put into concentration camps our priests, bishops and nuns.

The atheists are continuesly attacking us with malice and lies.

The anti Catholic Protestants and Evangelicals are joining forces to destroy our Catholic Faith.

BY HISTORICAL RECORDS THERE ARE MORE CATHOLICS WHO DIED FOR THE FAITH AS MARTYRS AND PERSECUTED THAN ANY OTHER INSTITUTIONS.

[Outward majesty bereft of true spirituality?]

WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE? YOU ARE EVEN ASHAMED OF YOUR OWN IDENTITY SO THAT YOU CAN ATTACK US WITH IMPUNITY. SHAME ON YOU...

[Your ceremonies are grand,it is of such quality as to strike man's senses.]

THANK YOU... Yours are not. They are ugly and full of theatrics and dramatics.

[But this outward majesty is the very evidence of inward corruption,]

CORRUPTION IS PRESENT IN ALL PEOPLE AND IN ALL CULTURES AND NATION. IF THERE ARE CORRUPTIONS AND SINS IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE ARE ALSO AMONG EVANGELICALS, PROTESTANTS, INC, ADD, JEHOVA WITNESS, MORMONS, MOSLEMS, BUDDHISTS, ETC.

Don't speak as if you are PURE. C'mmon, don't be like a prostitute claiming to be a virgin.

We are all in need of the mercy of God but still being children of God we possess the dignity that animals and inanimate objects do not have.

[the corruption of your church, which is full of confused teachings -the writings of the non-apostolic fathers contradicting themselves!]

There are no contradictions in our teachings. May be in your own doctrines there are. The Catholic Faith is the most systematic, reasonable and consistent faith system in Christianity.

[Your church is, above all, materialistic.]

Ha, ha, ha... The Catholic Church is known for its deep spirituality and mysticism. In fact, part of our spirituality is renunciation of the world that is why we have doctrines of self-sacrifice, fasting and abstinence, celibacy and others.

It is Protestantism and Evangelicalism which are materialistic because they have a doctrine of GOSPEL OF PROSPERITY. They allow Contraceptions, Abortions and Same-Sex Marriage.

[Christ said to the Roman procurator "My kingdom is not of this world" (John 18:36)..]

Yes, but His Church is here on earth. It is composed of men and women on earth... of believers. How about you? Where are you? In Heaven? In Hell? Where? WE CATHOLICS, at least those who have not passed away yet, ARE ON EARTH!

[But you are making Christ as if to rule this earth with your pope,]

Ha, ha, ha... What a show of ignorance. The pope is simply a head pastor of our Church. As if your religion does not have leaders called pastors, ministers, elders, evangelists, etc. Ha, ha, ha... Don't be obviously too hypocritical. IT WAS JESUS WHO APPOINTED PETER AND THE APOSTLES TO BE THE SHEPHERDS OF THE CHURCH. The Lord willed that the Church shall be governed by particular men. It was not our invention but it is the will of the Lord.

[a material kingdom to be governed with jesuitism,]

WHAT IS WRONG WITH BEING A JESUIT? IS THERE? The Jesuit is a SOCIETY...a group of people who believe in God founded by a very pious man, St. Ignatius of Loyola. How dare you present that group as if it is evil. In U.S. alone the Jesuits established about 21 UNIVERSITIES known for their great contributions to culture, arts and education as well as sciences.

The evil Jesuitism that you are opposing I think is merely a product of your own hallucination and ignorance.

My suggestion to you is: DON'T BE LIKE THE PHARISEES... SEEING EVIL OUT OF GOOD THINGS.

The Jesuit Order is simply an religious group in our Church. There is nothing wrong with forming a group or a fellowship.

[Knights of Columbus,]

The Knights of Columbus is an organization of Catholic males like a club with a mission to do good in society. If there is Rotary Club, Lion's Club, or Golf Club why do you present as evil an organization that is doing good? YOUR STYLE IS SATANIC. EVEN IF THE ORGANIZATION IS GOOD YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE THEM APPEAR AS EVIL JUST TO ADVANCE YOUR OWN LIES. If the Knights of Columbus has done evil then hail them to the court and file charges against them. IF YOU CANNOT CHARGE THEM THEN STOP YOUR LUNACY AGAINST THEM.

[cruel inquisition,]

The Inquisition done by the Catholic Church was just and based on laws proper during the Middle Ages. If there were accusations then there will be trials with judges, there are presentations of proofs from both side. YOU ARE SAYING THAT IT IS EVIL BECAUSE YOU ARE IGNORANT OF IT. THE TRUE HISTORIANS AND AUTHORS OF BOOKS HAVE ALREADY CORRECTED THE BLACK LEGENDS ABOUT INQUISITION.

[and other institutions built to force the world in the future to the autodafe.]

THIS IS A MERE PRODUCT OF YOUR LUNACY. I THINK YOU NEED A PSYCHIATRIST. The Philippines is a Catholic country and the non Catholics are never forced to do what they don't want to do. In fact, in Spain and other Catholic countries there are many laws passed of which the Catholic Church is against.

[Christ's kingdom is spiritual, and His material reign is to be realized when He arrives the second time, when He will make all things new (Revelation 21:5; Isaiah 65:17).]

Here you show your blatant ignorance of basic fact. THE LORD JESUS BUILT THE CHURCH, A COMMUNITY OF BELIEVERS composed of men and women as both SPIRITUAL and MATERIAL or CONCRETE organization. Don't tell me that the Apostolic Christians were composed of ghosts. Ha, ha, ha...

The completion of the Lord's Kingdom will happen when He returns at the end time. But, the Kingdom of God has come already here on earth to His people. That is why THERE IS THE CHURCH.

["yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. And these they will do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor Me" (John 16:2,3)..]

IT IS THE CATHOLICS WHO WERE MARTYRED, MURDERED AND PERSECUTED FOR THEIR FAITH MORE THAN ANY OTHER RELIGION. Tell me your name and your religion and let me check if your church is truly being killed for the sake of Jesus.

April 28, 2010 2:18 PM