Title page from the 1582 Douai-Rheims New Testament, "specially for the discouerie of the CORRVPTIONS of diuers late translations, and for cleering the CONTROVERSIES in religion." Look closely at the Title Page Cover of the Protestant KING JAMES VERSION below. It is full of IMAGES OF SAINTS, OF HOLY SPIRIT AND OF GOD DEPICTED AS LIGHT. So much for their claim that it is evil to create images. ________________________
Anonymous said...
sana post mo to mr. abe...
Having God's Word available to the public in the language of the common man, English, would have meant disaster to the church. No longer would they control access to the scriptures. If people were able to read the Bible in their own tongue, the church's income and power would crumble. They could not possibly continue to get away with selling indulgences (the forgiveness of sins) or selling the release of loved ones from a church-manufactured "Purgatory". People would begin to challenge the church's authority if the church were exposed as frauds and thieves. The contradictions between what God's Word said, and what the priests taught, would open the public's eyes and the truth would set them free from the grip of fear that the institutional church held. Salvation through faith, not works or donations, would be understood. The need for priests would vanish through the priesthood of all believers. The veneration of church-canonized Saints and Mary would be called into question. The availability of the scriptures in English was the biggest threat imaginable to the wicked church. Neither side would give up without a fight.
June 24, 2010 4:42 PM
The title page to the 1611 first edition of the Authorized Version Bible by Cornelius Boel shows the Apostles Peter and Paul seated centrally above the central text, which is flanked by Moses and Aaron. In the four corners sit Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, authors of the four gospels, with their symbolic animals. The rest of the Apostles stand around Peter and Paul. At the very top is the Tetragrammaton "יהוה".
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Fr. Abe, CRS said...
[sana post mo to mr. abe...]
HERE IT IS AND AS YOU WISHED; IT IS NOW POSTED. HOPE YOU ARE VERY HAPPY WITH IT.
[Having God's Word available to the public in the language of the common man, English, would have meant disaster to the church.]
I THINK YOUR MIND IS OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY. THE BIBLE IS ALREADY TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH BY BOTH CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS SCHOLARS YET THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS FAST GROWING IN ENGLAND AND IN THE UNITED STATES.
BESIDES, THE MOST POPULAR VERSION OF THE NEW TESTAMENT OF THE HOLY BIBLE IN ENGLISH FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CAME OUT IN 1582 - THE DOUAY-RHEIMS VERSION. THEN THE COMPLETE SET OF THE HOLY BIBLE WITH NEW AND OLD TESTAMENTS FINALLY PUBLISHED IN 1610.
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH RELEASED THIS ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE TO UPHELD THE CATHOLIC FAITH AGAINST THE PROTESTANTS. IT SHOWS THAT WE ARE NOT AFRAID TO CONFRONT THE PROTESTANTS WITH THE VERNACULAR VERSIONS OF THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD RIGHT DURING THE REFORMATION ERA.
ON THE CONTRARY, THE PROTESTANTS' MOST POPULAR ENGLISH TRANSLATION - THE KING JAMES VERSION - STARTED THEIR WORK ONLY IN 1604 AND PUBLISHED THE FINISHED PRODUCT ONE YEAR LATE TO THAT OF THE CATHOLICS... ONLY IN 1611.
THE BLACK LEGEND THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS AFRAID OF THE ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF THE BIBLE DOES NOT HOLD WATER. IT IS A MYTH BORNE OUT OF THE MALICIOUS, FICTITIOUS AND TREACHEROUS MINDS OF THE ANTI-CATHOLICS.
[No longer would they control access to the scriptures.]
THE CATHOLICS ARE NEVER PROHIBITED TO READ AND STUDY THE SCRIPTURES. THEY WERE PROHIBITED TO STUDY THE HERETICAL VERSIONS OF THE SCRIPTURES. EVEN BEFORE THE PROTESTANTS CAME INTO EXISTENCE BY THE EVIL DESIGN OF LUTHER AND CALVIN THE BIBLE HAVE BEEN TRANSLATED ALREADY INTO MANY VERNACULARS OF EUROPE. ON THE ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE THE WIKIPEDIA HAS THIS TO SAY:
"Although John Wycliff is often credited with the first translation of the Bible into English, there were, in fact, many translations of large parts of the Bible centuries before Wycliff's work. Toward the end of the seventh century, the Venerable Bede began a translation of Scripture into Old English (also called Anglo-Saxon). Aldhelm (AD 640–709), likewise, translated the complete Book of Psalms and large portions of other scriptures into Old English. In the 11th century, Abbot Ælfric translated much of the Old Testament into Old English."
[If people were able to read the Bible in their own tongue, the church's income and power would crumble.]
HA, HA, HA... HOW COME THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS STEADILY GROWING IN THE ENGLISH SPEAKING COUNTRIES SUCH AS ENGLAND AND THE UNITED STATES? THE NUMBER OF ANGLICANS AND EPISCOPALIANS CONVERTING TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS STAGGERING AND NOW IN ENGLAND THERE ARE MORE CATHOLICS ATTENDING WORSHIPS THAN ANGLICANS AS POLLED BY INTERNATIONAL MEDIA. IN THE UNITED STATES THE CATHOLICS WERE PREVIOUSLY A TINY MINORITY BUT NOW ABOUT 300,000 PEOPLE ARE RECEIVING ADULT BAPTISM DURING EASTER VIGIL ALONE. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE FASTEST GROWING GROUP IN THE UK AND IS NOW THE BIGGEST SINGLE GROUP OF RELIGIONS IN THE UNITED STATES. THE MARGIN BETWEEN RCC AND THE PROTESTANTS IN THE UNITED STATES IS QUITE LITTLE ALREADY. BUT IF THE COMPARISON IS SINGLEHANDED THE RCC WILL RISE TO THE TOP.
THERE ARE MORE PROTESTANTS THEOLOGIANS, PHILOSOPHERS, AUTHORS, AND PROMINENT MEMBERS WHO ARE CONVERTING TO RCC THAN VICE VERSA. AND THEY ARE DOING SO READING AND USING THE ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE. MANY OF THESE CONVERTS ARE NOW THE ACTIVE APOLOGISTS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. JUST GOOGLE CATHOLIC APOLOGETICS IN THE NET AND MOST OF THE PERSONAGES THAT WILL APPEAR ARE EITHER AMERICAN OR BRITISH CONVERT TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
[They could not possibly continue to get away with selling indulgences (the forgiveness of sins)]
THE INDULGENCES ARE NOT FOR SALE BECAUSE EVERY CATHOLIC CAN ACQUIRE THEM BY LIVING THEIR BIBLICAL FAITH:
* Adoration and Prayer to God
* Feeding the Hungry
* Giving drink to the thirsty
* Giving clothe to the naked
* Taking good care of the Sick
* Visiting the Prisoners
* Comforting the Sorrowful
THESE GOOD THINGS WERE NEVER FOR SALE IN THE HISTORY OF THE CHURCH.
IF YOU ARE TALKING OF ABUSES IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, YES THERE WERE ABUSES. BUT DON'T BE A HYPOCRITE BECAUSE THERE ARE ALSO ABUSES IN THE PROTESTANT GROUPS, IN THE EVANGELICAL GROUPS AND WITH THOSE WHO CALL THEMSELVES BORN AGAIN... AND THOSE WHO CALLED THEMSELVES BAPTISTS.
MUCH MORE, THESE ANTI-CATHOLIC GROUPS ARE THE ONES DRAINING THE BLOOD OF THEIR FAITHFUL LIKE COUNT DRACULA THROUGH OBLIGATORY TITHINGS, DECEIVING THEM WITH SO CALLED GOSPEL OF PROSPERITY. HA, HA, HA... ISN'T THAT DEMONIC? THAT IS ACTUALLY SATANIC - PROMISING PEOPLE THAT THEY WILL BECOME RICH BY OBLIGING THEM TO GIVE 10% OF THEIR SALARY AND INCOME.
SOME CATHOLIC PREACHERS ONLY REQUESTED PEOPLE TO GIVE MORE TO CHURCH CHARITIES AND CONSTRUCTION PLANS BUT THEY DID NOT OBLIGE AND WE DIDN'T INVENT A 'GOSPEL OF PROSPERITY' WHICH IS A MERE INVENTION BY THE SO-CALLED EVANGELICALS. THE CATHEDRALS, THE BASILICAS AND THE MONASTERIES WHICH WERE PRODUCED BY THE DONATIONS OF THE RICH AND THE COMMON PEOPLE DURING THE MEDIEVAL ERA WERE NOT INHERITED BY THE FAMILIES OF THOSE PRIESTS AND MONKS WHO WERE CELIBATE. UNTIL NOW THEY ARE STILL OWNED BY THE CATHOLIC FAITHFUL AND ARE BEING PASSED FRON ONE AGE TO ANOTHER THROUGH CANONICAL SUCCESSIONS. BUT THE BANK ACCOUNTS AND THE MANSIONS OF THE SWAGGARTS AND THE BAKKERS AND THE ROBINSONS, ETC. WERE THEIRS AND THEIRS ALONE. THE OWNERSHIP IS BEING PASSED TO THEIR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN IN A MOST SATANIC MANIFESTATION OF NEPOTISM. ON THE CONTRARY WHEN POPE JOHN PAUL THE GREAT DIED, NO RELATIVES COULD EVEN CLAIM A SINGLE CHAIR IN THE VATICAN CITY. AND WHEN BENEDICT XVI SHALL PASS AWAY HE WILL LEAVE EVERYTHING TO THE NEW LEADER OF THE CHURCH WHO HAS NO BLOOD-RELATION WITH HIM.
IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT YOU ARE QUESTIONING THE POWER OF THE CHURCH TO FORGIVE SINS SHOW THAT YOUR FAITH IS NOT GENUINELY CHRISTIAN. IT IS FAKE. BECAUSE THE TRUE CHRISTIAN CHURCH HAS THE POWER TO FORGIVE SINS THROUGH ITS MINISTERS:
John 20:21-23 (New International Version)
21Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." 22And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."
THE FACT THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS THE DOCTRINE OF FORGIVENESS OF SINS ONLY PROVES THAT WE ARE THE TRUE CHURCH ENTRUSTED BY CHRIST TO HIS APOSTLES.
[or selling the release of loved ones from a church-manufactured "Purgatory".]
THE CATHOLIC DOCTRINE OF PURGATORY IS BELIEVED BY CATHOLIC CHRISTIANS CENTURIES PRIOR TO THE EXISTENCE OF YOUR SELF-MANUFACTURED, SELF-INVENTED RELIGIONS, FELLOWSHIPS AND GROUPS. OUR DOCTRINES ARE INHERITED BUT NOT INVENTED. YOURS YOU DID NOT JUST INVENT DOCTRINES BUT ALSO RELIGION AND FELLEWSHIPS. EVERYTHING IN YOUR GROUP IS INVENTED.
THE DOCTRINE OF PURGATORY OR OF CLEANSING OF SINS IS A BIBLICAL DOCTRINE.
THE RELEASE OF A LOVED ONES FROM PURGATORY IS NEVER FOR SALE BECAUSE THE CATHOLICS ARE PRAYING FOR THEIR ENTRANCE INTO HEAVEN DAILY EITHER THROUGH PERSONAL PRAYERS OR IN THE DAILY CELEBRATIONS OF THE HOLY EUCHARIST. BOTH ARE FREE FOR OUR BAPTIZED MEMBERS. HOW CAN OUR FEW PRIESTS CONTROL THE PERSONAL PRAYERS OF MILLIONS OF CATHOLICS IN THEIR WORKING PLACES OR IN THEIR HOMES. AND IN THE HOLY MASS IT IS THE OBLIGATION OF THE PRIESTS TO PRAY FOR THE SOULS UNDER THE PROCESS OF PURIFICATION FROM SINS, EVERY DAY WITH OR WITHOUT A DONOR. PRIESTS ARE OBLIGE TO CELEBRATE THE MASS WITH OR WITHOUT A FAITHFUL ATTENDING, AND WITH OR WITHOUT DONATION.
THE BORN AGAIN AND THE EVANGELICALS ARE HAVING OFFICIAL LEDGERS OF THOSE WHO ARE GIVING TITHES AND THOSE WHO DO NOT. ISN'T THAT HYPOCRISY?
ALSO, IN THEIR RADIO AND TV PROGRAMS THEY ARE SHAMEFULLY ADVERTISING: "SEND YOUR PRAYERS AND DONATIONS TO JESUS IS LORD FELLOWSHIP".... HA, HA, HA... THERE WERE SCANDALS IN THE UNITED STATES ACTUALLY WHEN IT IS REVEALED THAT SOME EVANGELISTS WERE SIMPLY GETTING THE MONEY AND WERE THROWING AWAY THE PRAYERS AND PETITIONS WITHOUT READING THEM. HA, HA, HA...
IMAGINE, IN ORDER TO DECEIVE PEOPLE ON 'DONATIONS' THEY MIXED IT WITH THE WORD 'PRAYERS'. OTHERS ARE MUCH MORE SPECIFIC AND CATEGORICAL. THERE ARE BANK ACCOUNTS... BANK NAMES AND SAVING ACCOUNT NUMBERS BEING SHOWN ON TV OR MENTIONED ON RADIO SO THAT THE DONATIONS WILL FLOW RIGHT INTO THEIR TREASURY BOX. DEMONS ARE BECOMING CLEVERER AND MORE CUNNING THESE DAYS. ISN'T IT? HE, HE, HE...
[People would begin to challenge the church's authority if the church were exposed as frauds and thieves.]
WE ARE READY TO FACE ANY ACCUSATIONS AGAINST US. AND WE ARE READY TO PRESENT OUR CATHOLIC WORKS AND ACTIVITIES FOR THE JUDGMENT OF THE PEOPLE. THE CATHOLICS ARE FAMOUS ALL OVER THE WORLD FOR OUR WORKS OF CHARITIES, FOR PIONEERING CHARITABLE WORKS IN HOSPITALS, ORPHANAGES, LEPROSARIUSM AND HOME FOR THE AGED. WE ARE ALSO PIONEERS IN EDUCATION, IN FACT MANY OF THE OLDEST UNIVERSITIES IN THE WORLD WERE FOUNDED UNDER THE AUTHORITY AND APPROVAL OF OUR POPES. AND STILL MANY UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE ADMINISTERED BY CATHOLICS. IF OUR MEMBERS COMMITTED MISTAKES THEN LET THEM FACE THE COURT OF MEN BUT IT IS ALSO TRUE THAT WE ARE RECEIVING A LOT OF PRAISES AND MESSAGES OF GRATITUDE ALL OVER THE WORLD BECAUSE OF SO MANY GOOD THINGS THAT WE ARE CONTRIBUTING TO VARIOUS PEOPLES.
FOR THAT REASON, MANY OF OUR MEMBERS ARE RECEIVING NOBEL PRIZES AND MANY OTHER RECOGNITIONS OF THE WORLD AND IN MANY LANDS WE ARE BEING ADMIRED AND RESPECTED BY PEOPLE. WHEN IT COMES TO CHARITABLE WORKS WE CAN EVEN HELD OUR HEAD HIGH WITH THE UNITED NATIONS. THESE WE ARE DOING WITHOUT DEMANDING TITHES FROM OUR MEMBERS.
[The contradictions between what God's Word said, and what the priests taught, would open the public's eyes and the truth would set them free from the grip of fear that the institutional church held.]
ON THE CONTRARY, WHEN THE PROTESTANTS LEARN CHURCH HISTORY AND TRULY READ THE BIBLE WITH OPEN MIND THEY WILL SURELY CONVERT TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
THE REASON WHY THERE IS NOW A RISE OF CATHOLIC APOLOGETICS. THE CONVERTS FROM PROTESTANTS, EVANGELICALS AND BORN AGAIN ARE THE ONES DEFENDING THE CATHOLIC FAITH IN PUBLIC FORA INCLUDING DEBATES. MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE BECOMING AWARE HOW POWERFUL THE BIBLICAL FOUNDATIONS OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH.
YOU PRESENT AN INSTITUTIONAL CHURCH AS IF IT IS NEGATIVE AS IF YOUR EVANGELICAL GROUPS AND FELLOWSHIPS ARE NOT INSTITUTIONAL AS RECORDED IN THE RECORDS OF GOVERNMENT OFFICE SUCH AS THE SECURITY AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION. YOUR BORN AGAIN FELLOWSHIPS AND YOUR BAPTIST GROUPS ARE LISTED AS "INCORPORATED". HA, HA, HA... SO YOUR CLAIM OF BEING NON INSTITUTIONAL IS DECEPTIVE, AN ACT OF TREACHERY AND A BLATANT LIE. IT IS HYPOCRISY AGAIN. BESIDES, BEING AN UNINSTITUTIONAL CHURCH IS MORE DANGEROUS. IT MEANS IT IS A MERE CULT WHOSE RULES AND DOCTRINES ARE AT THE WHIMS AND CAPRICE OF ITS PASTORS.
[Salvation through faith, not works or donations, would be understood.]
THE DOCTRINE OF SOLA FIDE OR FAITH ALONE IS A SATANIC, DEMONIC DOCTRINE INVENTED BY MARTIN LUTHER AND SWALLOWED BY YOU AND YOUR KIND. THE BIBLE NEVER TAUGHT THAT JUSTIFICATION OR SALVATION IS BY FAITH ALONE. NEVER.
IT WAS MARTIN LUTHER WHO INVENTED IT BY ADDING THE WORD "ALONE" IN THE EPISTLE TO THE ROMANS IN HIS GERMAN TRANSLATION OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. THAT SATANIC ADDITION WAS LATER REMOVED BECAUSE IT WAS AN OBVIOUS VIOLATION, ABUSED AND MANIPULATION OF THE SACRED WORD OF GOD AS DECRIED BY HIS OWN PEERS. HOWEVER, EVEN THOUGH THE TEXT HAD BEEN CORRECTED THE SATANIC THEOLOGY OF SALVATION BY FAITH ALONE IS STILL UPHELD BY HIS HERETICAL FOLLOWERS SUCH AS YOU.
HE ALSO DEMONICALLY TAUGHT SOLA SCRIPTURA OR BIBLE ALONE WHICH IS ALSO AN INVENTION NOT FOUND IN THE BIBLE ITSELF.
[The need for priests would vanish through the priesthood of all believers.]
HA, HA, HA... CHRIST CHOSE AND ORDAINED TWELVE MEN AND ALSO CHOSE 70 OTHERS TO BE SPECIAL MINISTERS OF THE CHURCH. THERE ARE MINISTERS IN THE CHURCH TO WHOM THE POWER TO OFFER THE EUCHARISTIC SACRIFICE AND TO LEAD THE CHURCH WERE GIVEN. DEFINITELY, THE PRIESTLY MINISTRY WAS GIVEN TO THE ALL MALE APOSTOLIC LEADERS IN THE APOSTOLIC CHURCH. TO CLAIM THAT ALL WERE EQUAL IN MINISTRY THEN MANIFESTS BASIC IGNORANCE OF THE SACRED SCRIPTURES.
[The veneration of church-canonized Saints and Mary would be called into question.]
THE BIBLE HONORS MARY AND JOSEPH, AND PETER AND PAUL, AND JOHN AND ANDREW, OF JOHN THE BAPTIST AND HIS MOTHER ELIZABETH. THE BIBLE HONORS ABRAHAM, MOSES, DAVID, ELIJAH AND MANY OTHERS. THESE ARE THE CATHOLIC SAINTS. THE PROTESTANTS ON THE OTHER HAND, HONOR PASTOR BENNY HINN, JIMMY SWAGGART, JOEL OSTEEN, ETC. HA, HA, HA... HYPOCRITE... YOU DONT WANT TO HONOR MARY BUT YOU ARE HONORING NON BIBLICAL PERSONAGES WHOM YOU HAVE IDOLIZED. WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT HIMSELF HAD CHOSEN IS REJECTED IN FAVOR OF THOSE YOU HAVE PERSONALLY CHOSEN. I VOMIT YOUR HONORED PASTORS AND I HONOR MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS - THE WOMAN HONORED BY THE LORD JESUS TO BE HIS MOTHER. YOUR HONORED PASTORS ARE GARBAGE INCOMPARISON TO MARY OF NAZARETH.
[The availability of the scriptures in English was the biggest threat imaginable to the wicked church. Neither side would give up without a fight.]
WE PRAISE THE LORD BECAUSE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS CONSISTENT IN PROCLAMING THE FAITH THROUGH THE ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS OF THE WORD OF GOD CENTURIES PRIOR THE PROTESTANTS AND UNTIL NOW. WE PRAISE THE LORD FOR THE CATHOLIC FAITH IS FLOURISHING AND IS GROWING IN THE ENGLISH SPEAKING WORLD. ALLELUIA. AMEN.
THE GATE OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT. YOUR LIES SHALL BE UNMASKED AND TRUTH SHALL SET US FREE.
June 24, 2010 8:34 PM
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Another evidence of ignorance. How could they not know that Douay-Rheims came ahead of KJV? In fact some DR renderings were copied by the KJV translators, right Fr. Abe?
ReplyDeleteYes, Bro. Ipe. Also, they based their translation of KJV on Codex Sinaiticus which was stolen by Protestant Tischendorf from Monastery of St. Catherine on Mount Sinai, Egypt.
ReplyDeleteI call your response.. BULLSEYE!
ReplyDeleteThanks. May the Lord bless Catholic Apologetics all over the world.
ReplyDeleteTherefore KJV is the product of plagiarism. LOL
ReplyDeleteDouay-Rheims was later revised by no less than a bishop, Challoner, precisely to make it more understandable. How in the world can someone conclude otherwise?
ReplyDeleteRight, Bro. Ipe.
ReplyDeleteBro. Tito, it is better to say that KJV is the product of stolen scholarship.
Catholic's Doctrines are way to unbiblical for a fact. Come, I will tell you the facts of Catholic Doctrines which are not true. Or you my want to conduct a personal debate.
ReplyDeleteYou can post here those so called unbiblical doctrines of the Catholic Church and let us see if they are non Biblical or not.
ReplyDeleteBy the way Bryan. I have clicked the link on your name and it leads me to almost zero information about you and your faith. I hope you can truly disclosed yourself as I am and reveal your true religion or church or fellowship. So that we can COMPARE our faith. We will also be eager to check your doctrines if they are Biblical or not.
ReplyDeleteAs you want to scrutinize our doctrines we also want to check yours through the Bible.
I don't need to put up information about my faith. I don't need to boast my faith. My faith is sacred. It is between me and God. I'm a plain Christian with a relationship with God. I'm not comparing my faith to you. I'm here for the doctrines.
ReplyDeleteSo tell me about this,
Historical background of the Roman Catholic(briefly).
Why sign of the cross?
Why pray to Mary? Why claim her as queen?
Why pray the rosary?
Why have engraved images and idols in the chapels and parish?
Why put up an imaginary purgatory?
Why condemn our 5 solas? Is that it because you have different doctrines other than the bible?
*I want you to answer all these plainly. And most importantly biblical.
Why accused us Christians of having different doctrines? We stick to the first sola (Sola Scriptura). Bible alone. Scripture alone. We don't have any other doctrines which Catholics have, the cathecism.
ReplyDelete[Why accused us Christians of having different doctrines?]
ReplyDeleteEXCUSE ME MR. BUSTAMANTE OR WHOEVER. WELL, IM NOT SURE OF YOUR REAL IDENTITY SO THAT'S IT.
THE CATHOLICS ARE THE FIRST AND REAL CHRISTIANS. WE ARE THE ORIGINAL CHRISTIAN CHURCH AND YOURS WERE LATER INVENTED. SO STOP CLAIMING CHRISTIANITY FOR YOURSELF BECUASE WHEN WE SPEAK OF CHRISTIANITY IT INCLUDES THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AS THE FIRST AND THE BIGGEST CHRISTIAN CHURCH THERE IS.
DEFINITELY I AM NOT ACCUSING CHRISTIAN SELVES. I AM ACCUSING YOU AND YOUR LATER INVENTED DOCTRINES.
[We stick to the first sola (Sola Scriptura). Bible alone.]
YOU ARE STICKING TO THE 16TH CENTURY SOLA OF MARTIN LUTHER. THAT IS NOT THE SOLA OF JESUS CHRIST OR OF THE APOSTLES OR OF THE EARLY CHRISTIANS. THAT IS WHY IT IS SATANIC BECAUSE IT IS INVENTED 1,500 YEARS ONLY AFTER CHRIST.
DID JESUS TEACH SOLA SCRIPTURA? WHERE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE.
DID THE APOSTLES TEACH SOLA SCRIPTURA? WHERE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE.
[Scripture alone.]
THAT IS DEMONIC. THAT IS JUST INVENTED BY YOU AND YOUR KIND. WHERE IN THE BIBLE IS SOLA SCRIPTURA. WHERE IS IT DECLARED IN THE BIBLE THAT DOCTRINE OF SCRIPTURE ALONE? WHERE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE.
[We don't have any other doctrines which Catholics have, the cathecism.]
YOU ONLY SHOWED YOUR IGNORANCE OF WHAT A CATECHISM IS. THE CATECHISM IS NOT A DOCTRINE BUT A MANUAL OF INSTRUCTION WE ARE USING FOR TEACHING THE FAITH. IT CONTAINS THE SUMMARIZED FORMS OF OUR BIBLICAL BELIEFS. DON'T TELL ME THAT IT IS NOW EVIL TO WRITE ONE'S FAITH IN A BOOK OR MANUAL OR ESSAY OR OTHER LATER MANNER OF WRITINGS.
[I don't need to put up information about my faith.]
ReplyDeleteYOU SEE HOW HYCRITE YOU ARE. YOU WANT TO ATTACK THE FAITH OF 1.1 BILLION PEOPLE YET YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO SCRUTINIZE YOUR FAITH. WHY? ARE YOU AFRAID THAT YOUR FAITH WILL NOT LIVE UP TO THE STANDARD THAT YOU ARE USING AGAINST US? HA, HA, HA... OBVIOUSLY. IF IT IS BIBLICAL THEN YOU WILL NOT BE AFRAID TO PRESENT IT. HE, HE, HE... LET ME SEE WHERE IN THE BIBLE CAN YOU FIND SOLA SCRIPTURA? HA, HA, HA...
[I don't need to boast my faith.]
A TRUE AND GENUINE CHRISTIAN MUST PROCLAIM HIS FAITH. YOU ARE HIDING YOUR FAITH. SHAME ON YOU. IT IS QUITE OBVIOUS THESE DAYS THAT THE SO-CALLED COURAGEOUS CHRISTIANS ARE COWARDS AFTER ALL. HA, HA, HA...
[My faith is sacred.]
YOUR FAITH IS A PIECE OF JUNK LIKE YOUR SOLA SCRIPTURA INVENTED IN THE 16TH CENTURY. YOU ARE ASHAMED OF YOUR FAITH BECAUSE IT IS RECENTLY INVENTED BY YOUR SELF-PROCLAIMED PASTORS.
[It is between me and God.]
THAT IS SATANIC. THE REAL CHRISTIAN FAITH IS COMMUNITARIAN AND MUST BE PROCLAIMED ON THE HOUSETOPS [MATTHEW 10:27]. HOW COME YOUR FAITH IS BEING KEPT IN THE DARKNESS WHILE WE PROCLAIM OUR FAITH ON BROADDAYLIGHT AND WITH FULL VOICE THAT WE CAN GIVE? YOU ARE AFRAID OF YOUR OWN FAITH ISN'T IT? YOU FIND IT UNCONVINCING EVEN TO YOURSELF. HA, HA,H A...
[I'm a plain Christian with a relationship with God.]
THAT IS NOT PLAIN CHRISTIANITY. YOU HAVE HIDDEN YOUR FAITH AND YOU ARE HIDING YOURSELF. YOU HAVE A HIDDEN PLAN AND THEREFORE YOU CANNOT BE TRUSTED. YOU ARE ACTING LIKE A FAKE CHRISTIAN. THAT ATTITUDE IS MORE PROPER FOR SATANISTS AND SORCERERS WHO OPERATE ANONYMOUSLY.
[I'm not comparing my faith to you.]
WELL, I AM DEMANDING THAT YOU GIVE YOUR IDENTITY AND YOUR FAITH AND THE NAME OF YOUR CHURCH OR FELLOWSHIP. THE REAL ONES. BECAUSE YOU ARE QUESTIONING THE BIBLICAL AUTHENTICITY OF MY FAITH. YOU HAVE JUDGED OUR FAITH ALREADY AS UNBIBLICAL. THEREFORE, WE WANT TO SCRUTINIZE YOUR OWN FAITH PLAINLY TO SEE IF IT IS BIBLICAL. LET US BE FAIR WITH ONE ANOTHER.
[I'm here for the doctrines.]
I'M HERE FOR MY DOCTRINES. AND I AM ALSO HERE TO CHECK ON YOUR DOCTRINES. I WANT TO LOOK AT IT AND PUT IT INTO THE SAME TESTS AND CRITERIA LIKE THOSE YOU HAVE EMPLOYED IN MINE. HA, HA, HA...
Answer first my questions above.
ReplyDeleteIs Catholicism biblical? Proof please..
Acts 11: 26
Stated there that the disciples where called Christians (NOT Catholics) the first true church.
Romans only adopted the Christianity, coming up with a different perspective and doctrine which is the Catholicism.
DID THE APOSTLES TEACH SOLA SCRIPTURA? WHERE?
-my answer:
(Galatians 1: 11-12)
Paul preached to us that the teaching he delivers to us is not something that man made up or that he made it up. It is through the revelation of Christ to himself.
(Galatians 1: 9)
"If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!"
Paul states there that there is no other gospel than the scriptures in the bible. NONE.
Also, read (2 Peter 1: 20-21)
The apostles told us that the scriptures are not on their own interpretation. Literally, we must entrust ourselves to the scriptures written on the bible. There is no other doctrines from what is preached.
This all sums up to Sola Scriptura. Scriture alone. No other doctrines.
Again, read my earlier post. Which contains questions.
[So tell me about this,
ReplyDeleteHistorical background of the Roman Catholic(briefly).]
THE HISTORY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS ALREADY PRESENTED IN THIS BLOG. YOU CAN GO TO THAT POST AND LET US DEBATE THERE.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000086140344
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A TRUE AND GENUINE CHRISTIAN MUST PROCLAIM HIS FAITH. YOU ARE HIDING YOUR FAITH. SHAME ON YOU.
-my answer:
Does salvation recquires a man to boast his faith? To proclaim it to the whole world? Just for the sake of saying that he has faith?
Ang hirap mgdebate dito. It needs approval pa and other stuff para makita mga posts. Why not tackle this matter on facebook? It is easier and more comfortable if we tackle this there.. We'll make up a discussion board there.
ReplyDelete[Why sign of the cross?]
ReplyDeleteBECAUSE WE ARE THE TRUE CHRISTIANS AND AS TRUE CHRISTIANS WE GLORY IN THE CROSS OF JESUS:
Gal 6:12-16 ‘But God forbid that I should glory, save in THE CROSS of the Lord Jesus Christ…’
THE FACT THAT YOU ARE NOT GLORYING IN THE CROSS OF CHRIST SHOWS THAT YOU ARE NOT A TRUE CHRISTIAN. YOU BELONG TO THE GROUPS OF HERETICS-FOUNDED RELIGIONS. YOUR FAITH IS INVENTED BY THE HERESIARCHS.
AND ALSO BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ENEMIES OF THE CROSS OF CHRIST LIKE YOU:
Phil 3:18-19 ‘for many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the ENEMIES of THE CROSS of Christ: whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.’
YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF AND OF YOUR INVENTED FAITH. YOUR PASTORS HAVE MADE YOU AN ENEMY OF THE CROSS OF CHRIST. WE, THE TRUE CHRISTIANS, ARE LOVERS OF THE CROSS OF CHRIST. THAT IS WHY CROSSES ARE MORE DISTINCTIVE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
[Why pray to Mary?]
ReplyDeleteBECAUSE MARY IS A HUMAN PERSON WHO IS HIGHLY FAVORED BY GOD:
Luke 1:28 “And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art HIGHLY FAVORED, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.”
SEE,
MARY IS HIGHLY FAVORED BY GOD WHILE YOUR PASTORS ARE NOT MENTIONED AS SUCH.
MARY IS BLESSED BY THE LORD. IT MEANS SHE IS MUCH MORE BLESSED THAN YOU. IT IS NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAYS THAT YOU AND YOUR PASTORS ARE BLESSED. BUT MARY IS BLESSED. SO, YOU ARE ALL A PIECE OF GARBAGE IN COMPARISON TO MARY.
PRAYERS ARE ADDRESSED NOT ONLY TO GOD BUT ALSO TO HUMAN PERSONS, ESPECIALLY HOLY, BLESSED PEOPLE:
1. Gen 12:13 Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
2. Gen 13:8 And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdmen and thy herdmen; for we be brethren.
3. Gen 13:9 Is not the whole land before thee? separate thyself, I pray thee, from me: if thou wilt take the left hand, then I will go to the right; or if thou depart to the right hand, then I will go to the left.
4. Gen 16:2 And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai.
5. Gen 23:13 And he spake unto Ephron in the audience of the people of the land, saying, But if thou wilt give it, I pray thee, hear me: I will give thee money for the field; take it of me, and I will bury my dead there.
6. Gen 24:2 And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh:
7. Gen 24:14 And let it come to pass, that the damsel to whom I shall say, Let down thy pitcher, I pray thee, that I may drink; and she shall say, Drink, and I will give thy camels drink also: let the same be she that thou hast appointed for thy servant Isaac; and thereby shall I know that thou hast shewed kindness unto my master.
8. Gen 24:17 And the servant ran to meet her, and said, Let me, I pray thee, drink a little water of thy pitcher.
ReplyDelete9. Gen 24:23 And said, Whose daughter art thou? tell me, I pray thee: is there room in thy father's house for us to lodge in?
10. Gen 24:43 Behold, I stand by the well of water; and it shall come to pass, that when the virgin cometh forth to draw water, and I say to her, Give me, I pray thee, a little water of thy pitcher to drink;
11. Gen 24:45 And before I had done speaking in mine heart, behold, Rebekah came forth with her pitcher on her shoulder; and she went down unto the well, and drew water: and I said unto her, Let me drink, I pray thee.
12. Gen 25:30 And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me, I pray thee, with that same red pottage; for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom.
13. Gen 27:3 Now therefore take, I pray thee, thy weapons, thy quiver and thy bow, and go out to the field, and take me some venison;
14. Gen 27:19 And Jacob said unto his father, I am Esau thy firstborn; I have done according as thou badest me: arise, I pray thee, sit and eat of my venison, that thy soul may bless me.
15. Gen 27:21 And Isaac said unto Jacob, Come near, I pray thee, that I may feel thee, my son, whether thou be my very son Esau or not.
16. Gen 30:14 And Reuben went in the days of wheat harvest, and found mandrakes in the field, and brought them unto his mother Leah. Then Rachel said to Leah, Give me, I pray thee, of thy son's mandrakes.
17. Gen 50:17 So shall ye say unto Joseph, Forgive, I pray thee now, the trespass of thy brethren, and their sin; for they did unto thee evil: and now, we pray thee, forgive the trespass of the servants of the God of thy father. And Joseph wept when they spake unto him.
18. Exo 4:18 And Moses went and returned to Jethro his father in law, and said unto him, Let me go, I pray thee, and return unto my brethren which are in Egypt, and see whether they be yet alive. And Jethro said to Moses, Go in peace.
19. Exo 10:17 Now therefore forgive, I pray thee, my sin only this once, and intreat the LORD your God, that he may take away from me this death only.
20. Num 22:16 And they came to Balaam, and said to him, Thus saith Balak the son of Zippor, Let nothing, I pray thee, hinder thee from coming unto me:
21. Jos 7:19 And Joshua said unto Achan, My son, give, I pray thee, glory to the LORD God of Israel, and make confession unto him; and tell me now what thou hast done; hide it not from me.
22. Jdg 4:19 And he said unto her, Give me, I pray thee, a little water to drink; for I am thirsty. And she opened a bottle of milk, and gave him drink, and covered him.
23. 1Sa 9:18 Then Saul drew near to Samuel in the gate, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, where the seer's house is.
24. 1Sa 30:7 And David said to Abiathar the priest, Ahimelech's son, I pray thee, bring me hither the ephod. And Abiathar brought thither the ephod to David.
25. 1Ki 14:2 And Jeroboam said to his wife, Arise, I pray thee, and disguise thyself, that thou be not known to be the wife of Jeroboam; and get thee to Shiloh: behold, there is Ahijah the prophet, which told me that I should be king over this people.
THESE VERSES PROVES YOUR IGNORANCE OF THE SACRED SCRIPTURES. THESE ARE ONLY SAMPLES FROM THE EARLIEST PARTS OF THE SCRIPTURES AND IT SOLIDLY SHOW THAT THE WORD PRAYER IS ALSO ADDRESSED TO HUMAN PERSON... EVEN TO ORDINARY PERSON. HOW MUCH MORE TO MARY WHO IS HIGHLY FAVORED OF GOD AND BLESSED BY THE LORD.
ReplyDeleteYOUR TROUBLE IN ACCEPTING PRAYER TO MARY IS FOUNDED ON IGNORANCE AND DECEPTION GIVEN TO YOU BY YOUR PASTORS. MY QUESTION TO YOU IS: WHO IS THAT DEMON WHO TOLD YOU THAT PRAYING TO MARY IS WRONG?
MUCH MORE, THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HYPOCRISY ON YOUR PART BECAUSE WE CAN SEE ON TV AND HEAR ON RADIO THAT YOUR PASTORS AND MEDIA EVANGELISTS ARE ASKING THEIR IGNORANT FOLLOWERS LIKE YOU TO: “SEND YOUR PRAYERS AND PETITIONS TO PASTOR ____________ “ OR “PRAYERS AND PETITIONS TO EVANGELIST _________”. HA, HA, HA... I THOUGHT YOUR POSITION IS THAT PRAYERS MUST BE EXCLUSIVE TO GOD. HOW COME THEY ARE DIRECTED TO THE TV PROGRAMS, RADIO PROGRAMS, TO THE PASTORS, PREACHERS AND TELE-EVANGELISTS. THAT IS HYPOCRITICAL. YOU ARE DENOUNCING IT TO US YET YOU ARE DOING THE SAME. WELL, ON OUR PART MARY IS SURELY MORE BLESSED THAN YOUR PASTORS SO HER PRAYERS IS MORE EFFICACIOUS.
Why claim her as queen?
ReplyDeleteBECAUSE HER SON IS KING. JESUS IS THE KING OF ISRAEL:
Luke 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luke 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
SO, MARY FOUND FAVOR WITH GOD BUT NOT WITH YOU AND YOUR HERETICAL RELIGION. GOD GAVE HER GRACES BUT SHE IS NOT ACCEPTABLE FOR YOU AND YOUR KIND. WELL, THE CATHOLICS LOVES THE ONE WHOM GOD FAVORS AND THEREFORE HE CONDEMN THE MARIAN REJECTION WHICH YOU ARE PROMOTING CONTRARY TO THE FAVOR OF GOD.
WHAT KIND OF FAVOR DID GOD GIVE TO MARY? SHE BECAME THE MOTHER OF THE ETERNAL KING OF ISRAEL. HE, HE, HE AND OF COURSE THE MOTHER OF THE KING IS A QUEEN-MOTHER. THAT SINGULAR HONOR IS GIVEN BY GOD. MARY IS THE MOTHER OF THE ETERNAL KING.
[Why pray the rosary?]
ReplyDeleteTHE ROSARY IS NOT A DOCTRINE BUT A METHOD OF PRAYERS ON THE LIFE OF JESUS. ACTUALLY IT IS ALREADY ANSWERED HERE. FOR YOUR SAKE HERE IS THE EXPLANATION GIVEN BY ATTY. MARWIL LLASOS:
What we do in the rosary is to meditate and contemplate on the paschal mystery of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Meditation or contemplation is clearly taught in the sacred pages of the Bible. In the Old Testament, we are told that “Isaac went out to meditate in the field at the eventide” (Gen. 24”63). The People of God were commanded to meditate on His law day and night: “This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt mediate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success" (Jos. 1:8). Thus, a true servant of God delights in the law of God and meditates on it day and night (Ps. 1:2). He exclaims: “Oh how I love thy law! It is my meditation all the day!” (Ps. 119:97).
Christians belong to the New Testament dispensation; thus, they are no longer under law but grace (Rom. 6:14) brought about by the paschal mystery of the life, death and resurrection of Our Lord and savior. We no longer mediate on some 617 laws embodied in the Old Testament. Rather, we meditate on the mysteries of our salvation in Jesus Christ when we pray the rosary.
It is customary for families to pray the rosary at night. Fr. Patrick Peyton popularized the adage “the family that prays together, stays together.” Nightly meditation has Biblical precedent. Thus, we read in Psalm 63:6, “When I remember thee upon my bed and meditate on thee in the night watches.” Does not the rosary fit this pattern? When we pray the rosary at night before we sleep, we remember our Lord and meditate on Him.
Catholics, too, are exhorted to meditate daily on God’s. As the Psalmist says “I might meditate in thy word” (Ps. 119:148), we have the best opportunity to do just that in the rosary. We may read passages from the Bible appropriate for the mystery and meditate on them as we pray the rosary. Indeed, by meditating on the Word of God, the rosary becomes to us a truly and eminently Gospel prayer. It encapsulates the gospel message as we bring to mind the beautiful and meaningful scenes in the New Testament that greatly impact our salvation. The rosary, with its prayers taken from the Bible, is a powerful tool to help us meditate on God’s Holy Word.
As we all know, the rosary is a mixture of vocal prayer. The rosary wonderfully fits the Biblical pattern expressed in Psalm 19:14: “Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.” The “words of the mouth” corresponds to vocal prayer while “meditation of the heart” means meditative or mental prayer. The rosary is vocal prayer because we use our voice in praying. It is likewise a mental prayer because we lift our mind to God when we meditate on the mysteries of our salvation while we recite the set or formulary prayers.
We may also pray the rosary inside the church especially before the Blessed Sacrament. This fulfills what Psalm 48:9 which says, “Within your temple, O God, we meditate on your unfailing love.” By praying the rosary in the church before our Eucharistic Lord, we meditate on God’s unfailing love for us. “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life” (Jn. 3:16).
(For further reflection, please read: Ps. 104:34; Ps. 143:5; Phil. 4:8 and 1 Tim. 4:15.)
THE ROSARY STARTS WITH THE RECITATION OF THE APOSTLES CREED. HERE IT IS:
ReplyDeleteTHE APOSTLES CREED
* I believe in God the Father Almighty, creator of heaven and earth (Gen. 1:1, Isa. 44:6; 45:5; Neh. 9:6; Jn. 1:1-3; Acts 14:15; Mt. 5:45; 1 Pt. 1:17; Mt. 6:7-13; Rom. 1:20).
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* I believe in Jesus Christ (Lk. 2:11; Jn. 2028; Mt. 3:17; Phil. 2:11),
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His only Son (Jn. 1:18; 3:16; Prov. 30:4),
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our Lord (Jn. 20:28).
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He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit (Lk. 1:35; Mt. 1:20),
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born of the Virgin Mary (Lk. 1:17; 2:7; Isa. 7:14),
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He suffered under Pontius Pilate (Lk. 23:23-25; Jn. 19:16),
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was crucified (Mt. 27:33-61; Mk. 15:22-47; Lk. 23-56; Jn. 19:18-42),
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died (1 Cor. 15:3),
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and was buried (1 Cor. 15:3).
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He descended to the dead (1 Pt. 3:18-20).
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On the third day He rose again from the dead (1 Cor. 15:4; Mt. 28:1-20; Jn. 20:1; Lk. 24:1-53; Mk. 16:1-20).
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He ascended into heaven (Mk. 16:19; Lk. 24:41; Acts 1:11).
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He is seated at the right hand of the Father Almighty (Mk. 16:19; Heb. 1:3).
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He will come again to judge the living and the dead (2 Tim. 4:1; Jn. 5:22; Mt. 16:27; Acts 10:39; 1 Cor. 15:51).
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I believe in the Holy Spirit ( Jn. 14:15-20; Jn. 15:26; 16:7-8; 13-14; Acts 1:7-8; Acts 13:2),
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the Holy Catholic Church (Mt. 16:18-19; 19-20; Rom. 1:7-8; Acts 9:31; Gal. 3:26-29; Rev. 7:9; Eph. 5:26-27; Col. 1:24),
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the Communion of Saints (Heb. 10:25; Heb. 12:1; Rev. 19:14; Mt. 28:19-20; 2 Cor. 11:13; 1 Cor. 15:33),
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the forgiveness of sins (Isa. 1:18; Lk. 7:48; Jn. 20:22-23; 1 Jn. 1:9),
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the resurrection of the body (1 Thes. 4:16; Jn. 6:39; 1 Cor. 15:51-54; 1 Thes. 4:13-18; Rom. 8:23,30),
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and life everlasting. Amen. (Jn. 10:28; 17:2-3; 1 Jn. 5:20).
THIS ANCIENT PRAYER WHICH WAS COMPOSED CENTURIES BEFORE YOUR INVENTED DOCTRINES IS LINE BY LINE, PIECE BY PIECE BIBLICAL.
IT IS FOLLOWED BY THE PRAYER THE LORD JESUS TAUGHT US. THE PRAYER IS CALLED “OUR FATHER”. IF YOU ARE IGNORANT OF ITS BIBLICAL ORIGIN HERE IT IS:
ReplyDeleteThe Our Father or the Lord’s Prayer is the best and perfect prayer. It is taught to us by no less than Our Lord Jesus Himself. It is the best prayer because it includes all the forms and types of prayer – adoration, thanksgiving, praise, and petition.
There are two versions of the Our Father in the Bible. The Lukan version is the shorter version (Lk. 11:2-4) while the Mathean version is the longer one (Mt. 6:9-13). The Catholic Church follows the Mathean version in her Liturgy and devotion.
The doxology “for thine is the Kingdom, the power and the glory, now and forever” is actually not part of the Our Father. Although it is included in most Protestant versions like the authorized King James Version, it is not clearly attested in the most ancient and extant manuscripts. Bible scholars believe that it is a gloss written by a scribe on the margins when manuscripts where being copied which later on got incorporated into the text itself by later scribes. The Catholic Church does not consider it part of the Bible. Nevertheless, she makes use of it in her Liturgy. The people recite it after the embolism in the Mass.
Our father St. Dominic de Guzman, pray for us!!! The doxology may have been actually taken from 1 Chronicles 29:11: "Thine, O Lord is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O Lord, and thou art exalted as head above all.” The Didache or the Teachings of the Twelve Apostles appends the doxology in the Our Father: “For thine is the power and the glory for ever.”
From the earliest days of Christianity, the Our Father is the favorite prayer of Christians. The Didache (50-60 AD) is one of the earliest Christian writings used as a Church manual for pastoral ministry. Chapter 8 of this ancient Christian document requires early Christians to regularly pray the Our Father – at least three times a day! In Catholics double it in their daily Rosary.
THEN COMES WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE ANGELIC SALUTATION TO MARY OR THE WORDS PRONOUNCED BY THE ANGEL TO MARY. WE ARE CALLING IT "HAIL, MARY" OR "REJOICE O MARY" IN MODERN USAGE. IT IS ALSO MIXED WITH THE STATEMENTS UTTERED BY ELIZABETH THE MOTHER OF JOHN THE BAPTIZER TO THE VIRGIN MARY:
ReplyDeleteThe Hail Mary is not a prayer of worship but a recitation of Scripture and asking Mary to pray for us to God. Catholics do not put Mary on equal footing with God. We merely recognize the role the Blessed Virgin played in the history of our salvation as well as in the life of every Christian throughout history. Mary is certainly worthy of reverence or veneration but not worship or adoration which is due to God alone.
The Hail Mary is deeply rooted in Scripture.
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Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with you (Lk. 1:28) – Luke 1:28 literally says “Chaire Kecharitomene.” The angel Gabriel did not mention Mary’s name but substituted it with the title Kecharitomene, meaning “One who is fully, completely, enduringly filled with grace.” The messenger of God addressed Mary with her name in God’s eyes: “Full of Grace.”
The greeting Chaire! is so meaningful. First, it reminds us that the Blessed Virgin Mary is the new Virgin Daughter of Zion as she is greeted with Rejoice! (Zeph. 3:14; Zech. 9:9). It could also mean Hail! This reminds us about Mary’s royal dignity as the Mother of the Lord and the Queen Mother of His Kingdom.
“The Lord is with you” also brings to mind the Messianic prophecy addressed to the daughter of Zion in Zephaniah 3:17 that “the Lord thy God is in the midst of thee” which is literally “the Lord thy God is in your womb.”
Blessed are you among women and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus (Lk. 1:42) – The praise heaped on Mary by St. Elizabeth under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit is startling. Notice that St. Elizabeth praised Mary first before the praised the “fruit of her womb.” It seems that Jesus suffers from no inferiority complex with respect to his mother. Jesus clearly has no problem with his mother Mary. But, why do Protestants have?
Jesus is right in the center of the Hail Mary because “there is no other under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). Jesus name is “the name above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father” (Phil. 2:10-11).
Holy Mary – Protestants are reluctant to call Mary “holy.” But, is it not that all Christians are saints? Saint means “holy.” Mary is a Christian, in fact the most eminent Christian, who deserves to be called a “saint” just like anyone of us. Christians are called “holy brethren” (1 Thes. 5:27; Heb. 3:1). Since Mary is a Christian, there can be no doubt that she is holy as well. Indeed, if the apostles of the Lord are called “holy apostles” (Eph. 3:5), why can’t we call His mother “holy” as well?
The angels of God are called “holy angels” (Mk. 8:38; Lk. 9:26). Since the great angel Gabriel saluted Mary, it means that her holiness and dignity are far greater than the angels. Isn’t it that the Mother of the Lord is the Queen of Angels? The angels ministered to her and to her Son as the infancy narratives tell us.
The heroines of the Old Testament are referred to a “holy women” (1 Pt. 3:5). They were those who trusted in God (1 Pt. 3:5). Who among women could have trusted God more than Mary? Thus, if the OT women are called “holy,” how much more Mary, the most blessed among women? (Lk. 1:28, 42).
Mother of God – St. Elizabeth, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, proclaimed Mary as the Mother of the Lord (Lk. 1:43). Psalm 100:3 tells us “to know that the Lord is God.” Since Catholics know that the Lord is God, to them Mary, the Mother of the Lord is the Mother of God.
Pray for us – The expression “pray for us” appears in Colossians 4:3; 1 Thessalonians 5:25; 2 Thessalonians 3:1 and Hebrews 13:18. We ask our fellow Christians to pray for us.
ReplyDeleteAs part of the communion of saints, the Blessed Virgin Mary is one of the great cloud of witnesses we can ask to pray for us (Heb. 12:1). Since Mary is righteous, her prayer is very powerful (James 5:16, NAB).
We see Mary’s intercessory power in the wedding at Cana where Jesus performed His first recorded miracle at the instance of His mother (Jn. 2:1-11). Since Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever (Heb. 13:8), he continues to listen to His mother’s requests in heaven. Jesus is a very dutiful Son who binds Himself “to honor thy father, and forget not the groanings of thy mother. Remember that thou hast not been born but through them; and make a return to them as they have done for thee” (Sir. 7:29-30).
Sinners – Like the publican, we acknowledge our sinfulness (Lk. 18:13). We ask Mary to pray for us sinner because we know that just like in the case of Job, God will easily forgive us if a righteous person intercedes and prays for us (Job 42:7-10). We are certain that God listens to Mary’s prayers in our behalf because “the prayer of the just He hears” (Prov. 15:29).
Now and at the hour of our death – The Bible tells is to “pray without ceasing” (1 Tim. 5:17). We also pray to Mary to pray for us without ceasing, now and especially at the hour of our death. To “pray” here simply means to “ask,” “beseech” or “request” (Judges 9:2; 1 Sam. 25:24-25, 28; Acts 8:3).
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The Hail Mary, traditionally known as Ave Maria, is a scriptural prayer. Its first part is taken directly from the inspired words of the Bible (Lk. 1:28, 42).The second part reflects what the inspired words mean to us as praying Christians in the Body of Christ who, like Mary, continue to ponder them in our hearts (Lk. 2:19; 51).
ON THE OTHER HAND, I NOTICED THE PRAYERS AND WORSHIPS YOU AND YOUR KIND ARE DOING AS SHOWN ON TV. YOUR PRAYERS ARE LIKE SUPER DISCO... LIKE THE CONCERT OF MICHAEL JACKSON WITH SING AND DANCE AND A LOT OF DRAMATIZATIONS. SHOUTING LIKE IDIOTS AND CRAZY AND A LOT OF BIZARRE ACTIONS AS WELL AS WORDS FLOWING FROM THE MOUTH OF THE TELE-EVANGELISTS AND THE WORSHIPPERS. IT IS LIKE A CASE OF DEMONIC POSSESSION. WITH SO CALLED SPEAKING WITH TONGUES THAT IS SO CONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT PEOPLE FILLED WITH THE GRACE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
ReplyDelete[Why have engraved images]
ReplyDeleteBECAUSE GOD ORDERED THAT ENGRAVED IMAGES ARE TO BE PUT INSIDE HIS TEMPLE AND THE HOLY OF HOLLIES, THE ALTAR, SANCTUARIES:
The Bible does not forbid image-making absolutely because God Himself commanded His people to make Images for His Holy Temple, Altar & Sanctuaries.
Exodus 25:18-19 God commanded Moses to make statues of the Cherubims (Angels). [37:1-9/1 Kings 6:23-28/2 Chronicles 3:10-13/5:8].
Exodus 25:33-36 Almond Flowers and Fruits in the Candelabra of the Holy Tent. [37:17-21]
Exodus 26:1,31 Curtains of the Tabernacle are embroidered with Images of Cherubims. [36:8,35]
Exodus 28:33-34 Images of Pomegranate Fruits (Granada) & Bells in the ‘holy garment’ of priests [v.2] to be used in serving at the ‘holy place’ [v. 35]. [37:17-22/39:24-27]
Exodus 39:14 Engraved image of a Signet
Exodus 39: 15 Image of Chains in breastplate of priests
1 Kings 6:18 Cedar of the interior of the Temple was carved with Knops and Open Flowers.
1 Kings 6:29 The Temple Walls were carved with figures of Cherubims, Palm Trees & Open Flowers.
1 Kings 6:32 The two doors of the Temple were carved with Cherubims, Palm Trees & Open Flowers [v.35]
1 Kings 7:18-20,22 The capitals on top of the columns of the Temple were designed with Pomegranates and Lily flowers. Also of Knops [v. 24].
1 Kings 7:25 Twelve Statues of Bulls [v. 44]. [2 Chronicles 4:3-4].
1 Kings 7:26 The water basin is formed like a Cup with Flowers of Lilies. [2 Chron 4:5].
1 Kings 7:29 ImagEs of Lions, Oxens & Cherubims on bases.
1 Kings 7:30 The bases has Four Brazen Wheels [v. 32].
1 Kings 7:42 Pomegranates fruits
1 Kings 7:49 Flowers, lamps and tongs of gold [2 Chronincles 4:21]
2 Chronicles 3:5 The ceiling of the Temple was adored with Images of Fir Tree, Palm Trees & Chains.
2 Chronicles 3:7 The Temple doors are adorned with the engraved Cherubims.
2 Chronicles 3:14 Temple veils are adorned with Cherubims.
2 Chronicles 3:16 The top of the Temple pillars are designed with Chains & a hundred Pomegranates (Granada).
2 Chronicles 4:13 Four hundred Pomegranates (Granada) forming Two Wreaths to cover the capitals upon pillars.
Ezekiel 41:18-20 Ezekiel describes graven images in the temple consisting of carved likenesses of Cherubims with faces of Lions and Men. [These are similar to the images of the angels and saints in many Catholic churches.] Also images of Palm Trees.
[and idols in the chapels and parish?]
ReplyDeleteO NO, NO, NO... WE DO NOT HAVE IDOLS IN OUR CHAPELS AND PARISHES. NEVER EVER AND SHALL NEVER BE. WE ONLY HAVE IMAGES OF CHRIST, MARY, JOSEPH, THE HOLY APOSTLES, ETC.
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
IN THE PROTESTANTS AND EVANGELICALS, BAPTISTS AND BORN AGAIN I CAN SEE ALWAYS THE IMAGES OF THEIR PASTORS SUCH AS JOEL OSTEEN, SWAGGART, THE BAKKERS, BENNY HINN, JOHN MCARTHUR, ETC. HA, HA, HA... SO MUCH FOR NOT HAVING IMAGES.
[Why put up an imaginary purgatory?]
ReplyDeleteWHO IS THE DEMON WHO TOLD YOU THAT PURGATORY IS IMAGINARY?
NOT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T IMAGINE IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT IS IMAGINARY. YOUR SOLA SCRIPTURA, SOLA FIDE, ALTAR CALL, ONCE SAVED WILL ALWAYS BE SAVED, SALVATION AS ONE TIME EVENT, DUNGHILL COVERED BY SNOW, RAPTURE ETC. ARE THE IMAGINARY ONES. PURGATORY IS AN ANCIENT DOCTRINE OF CHRISTIANITY:
Purgatory
Intermediate state: Purgatory. No second chances – the souls there are saved, but through fire (1 Corinthians 3:15)
“There is a purgatory, and the souls there detained are assisted by the suffrages of the faithful, but especially by the most acceptable sacrifice of the altar” (Council of Trent).
This dogmatic definition contains 3 points of faith that all Catholics are required to believe:
1. There is a purgatory
2. After death, souls suffer there for their sins
3. The living can extend assistance to such souls
There is a purgatory
Forgiveness of sin in the next – Matthew 12:32
“Under the earth” – Revelations 5:2-3; Philippians 2:10
After death, souls suffer there for their sins
“You will not come out of it till you pay the last penny” – Matthew 5:26
“Matthean Parallel” (See: Matthew 18:23-35)
“Lazarusian Incident” (See: Luke 16:19-31)
Spirits in prison – 1 Peter 3:18-20; 4:6
The living can extend assistance to such souls
Restrain not grace from the dead – Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) 7:37
See: Ruth 1:8
Offerings/Sacrifice for the dead
2 Maccabees 12:38-36
“And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection” (2 Maccabees 12:43, Douay-Rheims Bible).
Fasting for the for the dead
1 Samuel 31:13;
1 Chronicles 10:12
2 Samuel 1:12
Prayer for the dead
2 Maccabees 12:44-46
“It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins” (2 Maccabees 12:46, Douay-Rheims Bible).
See: Nehemiah 1:4-6, cf. Nehemiah 2:5
Understanding Purgatory:
1. Understanding the doctrine of purgatory demands knowing the nature/attributes of God:
God is Holy (Habakkuk 1:13; Isaiah 6:3; Revelations 4:8; Leviticus 11:44
God is Just (1 John 1:9; Revelations 15:3)
God is Merciful (Psalm 116, Lamentations 3:22, Psalm 103:8)
See: Ruth 2:20
God is Love (1 John 4:8, 16)
2. Understanding the doctrine of purgatory demands a proper understanding of the concept of sin:
Gradation (degrees) of sin
Mortal Sin vs. Venial Sin (1 John 5:16-17, NRSV)
[Why condemn our 5 solas?]
ReplyDeleteBECAUSE THEY ARE ONLY INVENTED BY LUTHER, CALVIN AND THEIR FELLOW HERETICS.
WILL YOU PLEASE ENNUMERATE YOUR 5 SOLAS. I WANT TO CHECK THEM ONE BY ONE, PIECE BY PIECE.
[Is that it because you have different doctrines other than the bible?]
IT IS BECAUSE YOUR SOLA SCRIPTURA AND SOLA FIDE ARE HERETICALLY INVENTED BY LUTHER. IN ORDER TO PROVIDE REASON FOR THAT HE INSERTED THE WORD "ALONE" IN THE LETTER TO THE ROMANS AND REMOVED THE LETTER OF JAMES IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. PROTESTS MOVED HIM TO UNDO THE EVIL HE HAS DONE. BUT DESPITE THE FACT THAT HE REMOVED THE "ALONE" WHICH HE PUT WITH THE WORD "FAITH" TO FORM "FAITH ALONE" YOU STILL HERETICALLY FOLLOW THAT DOCTRINE WHICH IS HISTORICALLY AND OBVIOUSLY UNBIBLICAL AND A VIOLATION OF THE WORD OF GOD.
THUS, YOUR DOCTRINE IS SATANIC IN ORIGIN. A LATER INVENTION... A CONCOCTION BASED ON DELIBERATE MANIPULATION OF THE WORD OF GOD.
WHY DO YOU BELIEVE SOLA FIDE SINCE IT CANNOT BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE?
[*I want you to answer all these plainly. And most importantly biblical.]
AS YOU WISH.
[Answer first my questions above.]
ReplyDeleteI HAVE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS. HOW DARE YOU TO PRETEND AS HIM YOU HAVE THE MORAL GROUND TO DEMAND ANSWERS FROM ME. GET OUT OF THE DARK AND PUT LIGHT TO YOUR IDENTITY AND YOUR FAITH. DON'T BE AFRAID. YOU CAN STILL BE SAVED BY THE POWER OF GOD FROM THE DEMONIC FELLOWSHIP YOU ARE IN WHICH IS A RECENT INVENTION BY YOUR PASTOR. HAVE PITY ON YOUR SOUL.
[Is Catholicism biblical? Proof please..]
OF COURSE IT IS BIBLICAL. IT IS THE ONE TRUE CHURCH FOUNDED BY JESUS.
[Acts 11: 26
Stated there that the disciples where called Christians (NOT Catholics) the first true church.]
THE MORE IT PROVES THAT WE ARE THE TRUE CHURCH. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH EXISTED PRIOR TO ANY OTHER CHRISTIAN GROUP IN THE PLANET. WE ARE THE OLDEST AND THE FIRST CHRISTIAN RELIGION. NOT THE BORN AGAIN, NOT THE BAPTISTS, NOT THE PROTESTANTS, NOT THE EVANGELICALS. SO DREAM ON. BEFORE YOU EXISTED ON THIS EARTH AS DUNGHILL COVERED WITH SNOW WE ARE ALREADY CHRISTIANS... WHAT ARE YOU? DUNGHILLS PRETENDING TO BE SNOW. HA, HA, HA...
[Romans only adopted the Christianity, coming up with a different perspective and doctrine which is the Catholicism.]
WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE? HA, HA, HA... THIS IS WHAT ST. PAUL AND THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT THE ROMAN CHRISTIANS WHICH IS CATHOLICISM:
Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
HA, HA, HA... THE ROMAN CHRISTIANS ARE BELOVED OF GOD AND WE ARE CALLED SAINTS. HERE'S ANOTHER:
Rom 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
SO ST. PAUL IS THANKFUL TO GOD FOR US. BUT YOU... HERETIC THAT YOU ARE... YOU ARE NOT THANKFUL TO GOD FOR US ROMAN CHRISTIANS. YOU ARE EVEN LAMBASTING AND INSULTING US TO ADVANCE THE CAUSE OF YOUR HERETICAL SECTS RECENTLY INVENTED BY NON APOSTLES. SHAME ON YOU...
THE FAITH OF THE ROMAN CHURCH IS HERALDED OVER ALL THE WORLD. OF COURSE, WE ARE MORE FAMOUS AND KNOWN THAN YOURS. YOUR SO-CALLED FELLOWSHIPS ARE NOTHING IN COMPARISON WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. HA, HA, HA...
DID THE APOSTLES TEACH SOLA SCRIPTURA? WHERE?
ReplyDelete-my answer:
[(Galatians 1: 11-12)
Paul preached to us that the teaching he delivers to us is not something that man made up or that he made it up. It is through the revelation of Christ to himself.]
WHERE IS THE BIBLE ALONE THERE? WHERE IS SOLA SCRIPTURA THERE? WHERE IS THE BIBLE AND WHERE IS THE ALONE? HA, HA, HA... IT SPEAKS OF REVELATION OF CHRIST NOT OF THE BIBLE. HA, HA, HA... DREAM ON.
[(Galatians 1: 9)
"If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!"]
HA, HA, HA... IT BOOMERANGED ON YOU. SOLA SCRIPTURA IS INVENTED BY MARTIN LUTHER. THAT IS WHY IT IS SATANIC, DEMONIC IN ORIGIN. IT IS NOT THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST BUT THE GOSPEL OF MARTIN LUTHER. HA, HA, HA...
THIS TEXT DESTROYS SOLA SCRIPTURA AND SOLA FIDE. HA, HA, HA...
[Paul states there that there is no other gospel than the scriptures in the bible. NONE.]
SOLA SCRIPTURA IS NOT IN THE GOSPEL SO IT IS ANOTHER GOSPEL. WHOSE GOSPEL IS IT? THE GOSPEL OF MARTIN LUTHER. THAT IS SATANIC. FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR SOUL REJECT THE SOLA SCRIPTURA OF MARTIN LUTHER AND INSTEAD BE FAITHFUL TO THE GOSPEL OF JESUS WHO NEVER TAUGHT SOLA SCRIPTURA AND SOLA FIDE.
[Also, read (2 Peter 1: 20-21)
The apostles told us that the scriptures are not on their own interpretation. Literally, we must entrust ourselves to the scriptures written on the bible. There is no other doctrines from what is preached.]
THAT IS WHY SOLA SCRIPTURA IS SATANIC AND HERETICAL. SOLA SCRIPTURA IS PRACTICALLY: "ME AND THE BIBLE ALONE". SOLA SCRIPTURA RELIES ONLY ON THE PRIVATE INTERPRETATION OF THE INDIVIDUALS. IT IS HERETICAL. REFORM YOUR DOCTRINE. ABANDON THE FAITH OF THE HERETICS.
[This all sums up to Sola Scriptura. Scriture alone. No other doctrines.]
WRONG. NONE OF THE TEXTS SPEAKS OF SOLA SCRIPTURA. RATHER IT SPEAKS OF THE TRUTH ENTRUSTED BY CHRIST TO HIS APOSTLES WHICH ARE ORAL TEACHINGS NOT THE PUBLISHED BOOK. SOLA SCRIPTURA IS A RECENTLY INVENTED TEACHING. IT IS THE GOSPEL OF MARTIN LUTHER. IT IS HERETICAL, SATANIC IN ORIGIN.
[Again, read my earlier post. Which contains questions.]
YOUR QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED. AGAIN, WHERE IN THE BIBLE CAN YOU FIND SOLA SCRIPTURA?
WHERE IN THE BIBLE CAN YOU FIND SOLA FIDE?
WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THE RAPTURE?
WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THE ONCE SAVED WILL ALWAYS BE SAVED?
WHERE IN THE BIBLE CAN YOU FIND THAT SALVATION IS A ONE TIME EVENT?
CHAPTERS AND VERSES PLEASE.
A TRUE AND GENUINE CHRISTIAN MUST PROCLAIM HIS FAITH. YOU ARE HIDING YOUR FAITH. SHAME ON YOU.
ReplyDelete-my answer:
[Does salvation recquires a man to boast his faith?]
NOT BOASTING DOES NOT MEAN HIDING IT. JESUS DID NOT HIDE HIS TEACHING SO IF I WILL FOLLOW YOUR LOGIC JESUS BOATED HIS FAITH.
THE HOLY APOSTLES DIDN'T HIDE THEIR IDENTITY AND FAITH, SO FOR YOU THEY BOASTED THEIR FAITH.
I FIND YOUR REASONING ILLOGICAL AND UNREASONABLE. YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY JUST MAKING AN ALIBI.
[To proclaim it to the whole world? Just for the sake of saying that he has faith?]
TO OBEY THE COMMAND OF JESUS TO SHOUT IT ON THE HOUSETOPS. TO OBEY THE WILL OF JESUS TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO EVERY NATIONS.
FROM WHOM DID YOU GET THE COMMAND TO HIDE YOUR FAITH? FOR SURE ITS NOT FROM JESUS. WHO IS THE OPPOSITE OF JESUS? HA, HA, HA... YOUR GUESS IS AS GOOD AS MINE. IF YOU WANT A CLUE IT IS... THE EVIL ONE.
Well thank you for showing me your facebook. I LIKE YOUR GUITAR. IS THAT THE SAME GUITAR YOU ARE USING IN YOUR DISCO-LIKE PRAYER WORSHIPS? ARE YOU THE GUITARIST THERE?
ReplyDelete[Ang hirap mgdebate dito.]
ReplyDeleteBAKIT MAHIRAP E LIBRE NAMAN ITO. WALANG TAX DITO AT WALA RING TITHING. HE, HE, HE...
[It needs approval pa and other stuff para makita mga posts.]
DATI WALA ITONG APPROVAL AUTOMATIC POSTING. I DECIDED TO PUT IT ON KASI YOUR KINDS HURLED ME WITH SO MANY CURSES WHICH ARE PERSONAL IN NATURE. AS LONG AS WE MAINTAIN OUR DOCTRINAL DISCUSSIONS THEN THERE IS NOTHING TO WORRY. YOUR POSTS WILL BE APPROVED.
[Why not tackle this matter on facebook?]
YOU ENTERED A BLOG BOY. YOU DIDN'T ENTER A FACEBOOK ACCOUNT. SO WHAT WILL YOU EXPECT. IF YOU WANT A FACEBOOK DEBATE GO TO FACEBOOK. IF YOU WANT A BLOG DEBATE SO HERE YOU ARE.
I AM ALREADY BUSY FOR THIS BLOG. I DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME FOR FACEBOOK. I KEEP MY FACEBOOK EXCLUSIVELY FOR MY FRIENDS AND FOR NON DEBATE TOPICS.
[It is easier and more comfortable if we tackle this there.. We'll make up a discussion board there.]
AS THE OWNER OF THIS BLOG MY OBLIGATION IS ON THIS BLOG. I CANNOT ABANDON THE LARGE NUMBER OF READERS WHO FOLLOW THIS BLOG. THERE ARE MANY OTHER CATHOLIC APOLOGISTS IN THE FACEBOOK. JUST TRY THE: 100% Katolikong Pinoy IN FACEBOOK. THEY WILL MAKE YOU HAPPY.
Sola Scriptura didn't appeared literally in the bible. It does not need to be. But the very essence of it is the bible itself. So as for the word 'Catholic'
ReplyDeleteIn Romans chapter 1. It stated there that the people does have faith. And also, Paul went to Rome to preach the gospel. The Rome is NOT the first place Paul visited. You don't have the authority to call yourselves the first true Christians.
Romans 1: 15
That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are at Rome.
'ALSO TO YOU' means there have been someone else whom Paul preached the gospel already, making the Romans not the first Christians. As you can see and read in the Book of Acts, the order of the places Paul have been can be seen there.
And also the first Christians were the disciples in Antioch. (Romans 11: 26) Not Catholics.
*Sign of the Cross
ReplyDelete-The sign of the cross was not taught to us by the apostles. It is UNBIBLICAL.
-This is nothing to say about signing of the Cross. Paul stated there to glorify the Cross, not necessarily mean to make the sign of the cross. Wrong interpretation.
-And also, the whole context of that chapter pertains to 'being a NEW CREATION' Not signing of the cross. Again, wrong usage of the verses.
*[Why pray to Mary?]
BECAUSE MARY IS A HUMAN PERSON WHO IS HIGHLY FAVORED BY GOD
-Yes because Mary was chosen among the women to bear Jesus. But that doesn't mean to worship her and to regard her as queen. Jesus and all the apostles didn't even taught us that. Never.
-And also, the virginity of Mary did not remained long after the birth of Jesus because Jesus have brothers.
-in the Trinity (God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit) there is no such thing or title as queen. Therefore worshipping or praying to Mary is unbiblical and unnecessary for salvation.
-Apostle's Creed is unbiblical. The apostles never taught us that neither Jesus Himself. The use of the words 'the Holy Catholic Church' was never found in the bible. HERESY. Unbiblical. Making fame and glory to themselves only.
-the only recognized form of prayer is this (Matthew 6: 9-13)
(Matthew 6: 7, And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.)
It stated there not to pray in repetition or in babbling, which the rosary is a form of repetitive prayers. Making the Rosary UNBIBLICAL. The whole composition of the rosary is UNBIBICAL.
*WHO IS THE DEMON WHO TOLD YOU THAT PURGATORY IS IMAGINARY?
ReplyDelete-Purgatory is UNBIBLICAL.
-Hebrews 9: 27-28, Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgement, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people.
-There are no more mediators, no place for souls, for the soul of the departed is directly judged upon his/her death.
(3. The living can extend assistance to such souls)
-No one can even extend their help to the dead. It is unbiblical. If the living can extend help and can lessen the sins of the dead, THEN CHRIST'S ATONEMENT WAS FOR NOTHING! The crucifixion was nothing.
-the doctrine of purgatory is NOT clearly seen in the bible. HERESY
*[Why condemn our 5 solas?]
ReplyDeleteBECAUSE THEY ARE ONLY INVENTED BY LUTHER, CALVIN AND THEIR FELLOW HERETICS.
WILL YOU PLEASE ENNUMERATE YOUR 5 SOLAS. I WANT TO CHECK THEM ONE BY ONE, PIECE BY PIECE.
-Sola Scriptura
-Sola Fide
-Sola Gratia
-Solo Christo
-Soli Deo Gloria
[Is that it because you have different doctrines other than the bible?]
-why not answer this. It is because Catholics have other doctrines other than the bible.
*ENGRAVED IMAGES
-Exodus 20: 3-4
-The Catholics have DISOBEYED the 2nd and 3rd commandment. That's why in the Catholic bible, the 3rd commandment is different.
-NO, NOT EVEN ONE engraved images. Images in your chapel and other establishment contains images, IDOLATRY.
-God commanded Moses to make images of Cherubim and other things, for the completion of the temple and Ark of the Covenant. God DID NOT command to make images of God themselves. Images of God in your chapels is IDOLATRY. It is detestable to God.
-It is unbiblical. God did NOT command us to pray and worship to them with the use of images. IDOLATRY!
ALL OF THESE SUMS UP THAT CATHOLICS GLORIFIED THEMSELVES, NOT GLORIFYING WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE, AND BIBLE ALONE.
Thanks for the link on facebook.
ReplyDelete[Sola Scriptura didn't appeared literally in the bible.]
ReplyDeleteOF COURSE, IT DIDN'T APPEAR LITERALLY IN THE BIBLE. NOT JUST LITERALLY, NOT EVEN IN THOUGHT OR AS AN IDEA. THE GOSPEL OF THE HERETIC LUTHER IS NOT FOUND IN THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST.
[It does not need to be.]
IT IS NEEDED TO BE SO. IT MUST BE. YOU ARE TEACHING SOLA SCRIPTURA THEN YOU WILL EXCUSE THAT DOCTRINE FROM SCRIPTURA. IF THAT IS YOUR DOGMA THEN IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE SO IT MUST BE EXPLICITLY AND DIRECTLY MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE.
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DOES NOT TEACH SOLA SCRIPTURA THEREFORE WE CANNOT BE COMPELLED TO GIVE THE SAME STANDARD AS YOU DO. SINCE YOU HAVE UPHELD THAT HERETICAL DOCTRINE INVENTED BY LUTHER THEN YOU MUST SHOW IT CATEGORICALLY FROM THE BIBLE. WHERE CAN YOU FIND SOLA SCRIPTURA FROM THE BIBLE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE.
[But the very essence of it is the bible itself.]
I HAVE READ YOUR PASSAGES AND IT IS NOWHERE STATED EITHER IN ESSENCE OR IN ACCIDENCE. IT IS MERELY A PRODUCT OF YOUR HALLUCINATIONS.
[So as for the word 'Catholic']
THE WORD CATHOLIC OR CATHOLIC CHURCH ARE NOT ENGLISH BUT ORIGINALLY GREEK. IT CAME FROM THE GREEK BIBLE LITERALLY:
Act 9:31 Αἱ μὲν οὖν ἐκκλησίαι καθ᾿ ὅλης τῆς ᾿Ιουδαίας καὶ Γαλιλαίας καὶ Σαμαρείας εἶχον εἰρήνην οἰκοδομούμεναι καὶ πορευόμεναι τῷ φόβῳ τοῦ Κυρίου, καὶ τῇ παρακλήσει τοῦ ῾Αγίου Πνεύματος ἐπληθύνοντο.
IN TRANSLITERATION IT IS READ;
ACTS 9:31 "He men oun EKKLESIA KATH'OLES tes Judaias kai Galilaias kai Samarias..."
THAT IS THE ROOT AND ORIGIN OF OUR NAME CATHOLIC CHURCH.
HOW ABOUT THE MENNONITE BAPTIST CHURCH? THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH? THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHURCH? THE JESUS IS LORD FELLOWSHIP INC.? THE JESUS MIRACLE CRUSADE? THE BILLY GRAHAM MINISTRY? THE 700 CLUB? THE BIBLE ONLY CHURCH? HA, HA, HA...
WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THE PROTESTANT CHURCHES? THE LUTHERAN CHURCH? THE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH? THE METHODIST CHURCH? THE EPISCOPALIAN CHURCH? THE ANGLICAN CHURCH? WHERE? CHAPTERS AND VERSES. HA, HA, HA...
[In Romans chapter 1. It stated there that the people does have faith.]
OF COURSE THEY HAVE FAITH. THEY HAVE THE TRUE FAITH WHICH THEY INHERITED FROM THE APOSTLES NOT FROM MARTIN LUTHER THE HERETIC. YOUR FAITH IS A PRODUCT OF LUTHER'S HERESY.
[And also, Paul went to Rome to preach the gospel.]
OF COURSE. PAUL WENT TO ROME AND ALSO TO SPAIN. THAT IS WHY WE ARE SO PROUD THAT OUR ROMAN CHURCH IS APOSTOLIC.
YOUR HERETICAL FAITH CAME FROM GERMANY, SWITZERLAND AND UNITED STATES OR PHILIPPINES. WHO AMONG THE APOSTLES PREACHED IN GERMANY, SWITZERLAND, U.S. OR PHILIPPINES? WHO? CHAPTERS AND VERSES PLEASE. HISTORY ATTESTS THAT THE GROUPS FROM THESE PLACES WERE INVENTED BY LUTHER, CALVIN AND OTHERS MUCH MUCH LATER. THAT MAKES YOUR FAITH AND YOUR GROUP FAKE CHRISTIANS. HERETICAL.
[The Rome is NOT the first place Paul visited.]
ReplyDeleteIT WAS THE LAST PLACE HE VISITED AND HE WAS TEHRE HE STAYED LONGER. NOT ONLY PAUL, LUKE WAS WITH HIM. MARK AND OTHERS FOLLOWED AND HISTORICALLY ALSO PETER.
HOW ABOUT YOUR EVANGELICAL GROUPS, THE BAPTISTS GROUPS AND THE BORN AGAIN GROUPS IN THE U.S. WHO IS THE DEMON WHO VISITED YOUR PLACE?
BESIDES, THE COMMAND TO GO TO ROME IS SPECIFICALLY ORDERED BY THE LORD JESUS THAT IS WHY PAUL AND THE REST OF THE APOSTLES CONSIDERED IT AS A PRIORITY MISSION:
Act 23:11 And the night following the Lord stood by him, and said, Be of good cheer, Paul: for as thou hast testified of me in Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at Rome.
THE MISSION TO ROME IS A SPECIAL MISSION. THAT IS WHY IT IS GIVEN SPECIAL IMPORTANCE NOT ONLY BY PAUL BUT BY THE ENTIRE CHURCH.
THE ACTS OF THE APOSTLES ENDED IN ROME. THEN THE EPISTLES STARTED WITH THAT ADDRESSED TO THE ROMAN CHRISTIANS. THE OTHERS ARE SECONDARY. HOW CAN IT BE? HISTORICALLY THE FIRST EPISTLES WRITTEN BY PAUL WERE THAT ADDRESSED TO THE THESSALONIANS. WHY DID THE EPISTLE TO THE ROMANS BECAME THE FIRST IN THE LIST? BECAUSE THE CHURCH OF ROME IS CONSIDERED AS THE MOST IMPORTANT CHRISTIAN CENTER DUE TO THE PRESENCE OF PETER AND PAUL AND ALSO BECAUSE OF THAT DIVINE COMMAND OF THE LORD JESUS FOR PAUL TO GO TO ROME. THAT IS WHY THE CHURCH OF ROME IS ALSO CALLED THE CHURCH OF PETER AND PAUL.
ALSO, BECAUSE THE ONE WHO ARRANGED THE NEW TESTAMENT EPISTLES IN SUCH ORDER ARE THE CATHOLICS... THE ROMAN CHRISTIANS... NOT THE BAPTISTS... NOT THE PROTESTANTS... NOT YOUR HERETICAL SECTS. THE BIBLE IS ALREADY COLLECTED AND ARRANGED PRIOR TO YOUR HERETICAL EXISTENCE.
[You don't have the authority to call yourselves the first true Christians.]
ReplyDeleteWE HAVE THE AUTHORITY. WE EXISTED BEFORE YOU. CHRISTIANITY EXISTED BEFORE YOUR HERETICAL SECTS. WE CAME AHEAD OF YOU. EVEN THE WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES RECOGNIZED THAT. HISTORICAL RECORDS BEAR US OUT. WE ARE THE FIRST AND THE OLDEST CHRISTIAN GROUP IN THE WORLD. WE ARE ALSO THE BIGGEST. THOSE WHO CAME LATER HAVE NO RIGHT TO CLAIM HISTORICAL PRECEDENCE TO THOSE WHO CAME AHEAD OF THEM.
[Romans 1: 15
That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are at Rome.
'ALSO TO YOU' means there have been someone else whom Paul preached the gospel already, making the Romans not the first Christians.]
HA,HA,HA... YOU ARE MAKING A FOOL OUT OF YOURSELF. HA, HA, HA... WE ARE NOT TEACHING THAT PAUL PREACHED 'ONLY' IN ROME AND NOT SOMEWHERE ELSE. HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE REFUTING A NON EXISTING POSITION.
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ATTESTS THAT THE PENTARCHY OF FAITH WERE ROME, CONSTANTINOPLE, ALEXANDRIA, ANTIOCH AND JERUSALEM. ALL OF THEM WERE VISITED BY THE APOSTLES. ALL OF THEM WERE POLITICALLY UNDER THE ROMAN EMPIRE THEN. THE CHURCH HAVING ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, ONE GOD AND ONE LORD ARE CONSIDERED AS ONE UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF THE BISHOP OF ROME AS SUPPORTED BY THE BISHOPS OF TURKEY-GREECE [CONSTANTINOPLE], ALEXANDRIA [EGYPT], ANTIOCH [ASIA MINOR] AND JERUSALEM [THE HOLY LAND].
YOUR GROUPS AND FELLOWSHIPS ARE NOT ROOTED IN ANY OF THESE GENUINE CHRISTIAN CENTERS BUT IN GERMANY, SWITZERLAND, U.S.A. THE CENTER OF ABORITION IN THE WORLD AND OTHERS. SO, YOUR FAITH IS HERETICAL. RECENTLY INVENTED.
[As you can see and read in the Book of Acts, the order of the places Paul have been can be seen there.]
IN THE ORDER OF THE BIBLE ROME FIRST, THEN CORINTH, THEN GALATIA, EPHESUS, FILIPOS, COLOSSAE, THESSALONICA... WHAT IS THE NAME OF YOUR CHURCH OR YOUR FELLOWSHIP SO THAT WE CAN CHECK IF IT IS FROM ANY OF THESE ORIGINAL CHRISTIAN CENTERS. HE, HE, HE... IT MIGHT BE INVENTED ONLY IN MAKATI. HA, HA, HA... OR IN CAVITE... HA, HA, HA...
[And also the first Christians were the disciples in Antioch. (Romans 11: 26) Not Catholics.]
THE CHRISTIANS IN ANTIOCH ARE UNITED IN FAITH WITH THE CHURCH OF ROME. THEY ARE UNITED AS ONE IN FAITH. NOW, IS YOUR GROUP FROM ANTIOCH? ARE THE BORN AGAIN ANTIOCHENES? ARE THE BAPTISTS ANTIOCHENES? THE PATRIARCH OF ANTIOCH IS A BISHOP WHOSE FAITH IS ONE WITH THE ROMAN CATHOLICS. THEY HAVE A MASS, THEY VENERATE MARY AND THEY ARE GOVERNED BY BISHOPS AND PRIESTS. DREAM ON.
IS LUTHER THE INVENTOR OF SOLA SCRIPTURA AND SOLA FIDE FROM ANTIOCH?
THE ANTIOCH CHRISTIANS AND THE ROMAN CHRISTIANS ARE UNITED IN FAITH. WE HAVE THE SAME SACRAMENTS AND WE ALSO SHARE THE SAME HISTORY.
[*Sign of the Cross
ReplyDelete-The sign of the cross was not taught to us by the apostles.]
THE SIGN OF THE CROSS WAS NOT TAUGHT TO YOU BY YOUR HERETICAL PASTORS WHO INVENTED THEIR OWN RELIGIONS, CHURCHES AND FELLOWSHIPS. IT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HISTORICALLY AND ECCLESIALLY CONNECTED AND IN COMMUNION WITH THE APOSTLES. THE SIGN OF THE CROSS WAS TAUGHT TO US BY THE APOSTLES.
[It is UNBIBLICAL.]
IT IS YOUR MIND AND YOUR FAITH THAT IS UNBIBLICAL. THE SIGN OF THE CROSS OR THE MARK OF THE CROSS IS BIBLICAL!
READ THIS:
EZEKIEL 9:4 "Go all through the city, all through Jerusalem, and MARK A CROSS ON THE FOREHEADS of all who deplore and disapprove of all the filth practiced within it..." [JERUSALEM BIBLE/ New Jerusalem Bible/ The Community Bible].
THAT'S WORD FOR WORD. THE MARK OF THE CROSS CAN BE PUT ON THE FOREHEADS OF THE PEOPLE... OF THE TRUE BELIEVERS OF GOD WHO LIVES HIS TEACHINGS. DO YOU KNOW HOW IS IT RENDERED IN LATIN BIBLE? CHECK THIS:
Ezek 9:4 "et dixit Dominus ad eum transi per mediam civitatem in medio Hierusalem et SIGNA THAU super frontes virorum gementium et dolentium super cunctis abominationibus quae fiunt in medio eius"
"SIGNA THAU". That's SIGN WITH THAU... SIGN WITH THE CROSS. THAT IS WHY THE TERM IS SIGN OF THE CROSS. WE GOT IT FROM THE LATIN BIBLE WHICH IS AHEAD OF KING JAMES VERSION FOR MORE THAN A MILLENNIA.
THE MARK OF TAU WHICH IS IN THE FORM OF THE CROSS IS PROPHESIED BY A MAJOR BIBLICAL PROPHET AND THIS PROPHECY HAD BEEN FULFILLED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT:
Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
AYAN. THE TRUE SERVANTS OF GOD ARE SEALED ON THEIR FOREHEADS. WHO AMONG THE CHRISTIANS TODAY ARE BEING SEALED ON THEIR FOREHEADS? THE CATHOLICS. WE ARE RECEIVING THE SEAL OR THE SIGN OF THE CROSS ON OUR FOREHEADS DURING OUR BAPTISM.
[-This is nothing to say about signing of the Cross.]
ReplyDeleteDON'T BE AN IDIOT. THERE ARE IMAGES OF CROSSES IN THE PROTESTANT CHURCHES OR IN BAPTISTS HOUSES OF WORSHIPS. SOME ON TOP OF THE CHURCHES, OTHERS THE SIGN OF THE CROSS IN THE LECTERN, ON THE DOORS, ETC.
IF YOU WILL CONTINUESLY ATTACK THE SIGN OF THE CROSS YOU ARE DAMNING YOUR OWN KIND. EVEN IN THE LOGOS OF MANY EVANGELICAL CHURCHES THERE ARE THE SIGN OF THE CROSS, EVEN IN SOME BIBLE PUBLICATIONS. I JUST BOUGHT A COPY OF THE AMPLIFIED BIBLE IN A BORN AGAIN BOOKSTORE AND THE IS A SIGN OF THE CROSS RIGHT AT THE FRONT COVER. DON'T BE HYPOCRITE. THE SIGN OR THE MARK OF THE CROSS AS WELL AS THE IMAGE OF THE CROSS IS THE MOST POPULAR MANIFESTATION OF CHRISTIAN FAITH THROUGHT THE HISTORY OF THIS RELIGION.
THE SIGN OF THE CROSS IS NOT EXCLUSIVE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. VARIOUS CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS HAVE IT IN VARIOUS WAYS AND MANIFESTATIONS.
[Paul stated there to glorify the Cross, not necessarily mean to make the sign of the cross. Wrong interpretation.]
HOW DO YOU GLORIFY THE CROSS? FIRST, YOU HONOR IT, THEN YOU MANIFEST IT IN YOUR DAILY LIFE. WE PUT IT ON TOP OF THE HOUSES OF WORSHIPS, WE DECORATE ALTARS AND EVEN THE WORSHIP VESTMENTS WITH IT, WE PUT IT ON THE COVER OF OUR BIBLES, ETC.
WHERE IN THE BIBLE DID THE APOSTLES TEACH THAT THE SIGN OF THE CROSS IS WRONG, EVIL OR A MISTAKE THAT MUST BE AVOIDED? IF THE CROSS CAN BE GLORIFIED THEN IT CAN BE USED AS A SIGN OF GLORY TO ADORE GOD.
THAT IS WHY ALMOST ALL PROTESTANT CHURCHES COMPRISING THE WORLD COUNCIL OF CHURCHES PUT RIGHT INTO THEIR LOGO THE WORD OIKOUMENE OVER THE SIGN OF THE CROSS. IT MEANS THAT THE GREAT MAJORITY OF PROTESTANT CHURCHES, DENOMINATIONS AND ECCLESIAL COMMUNIONS ARE NOT TEACHING YOUR STUPIDITY. THEY ARE NOT REJECTING THE SIGN OF THE CROSS.
[-And also, the whole context of that chapter pertains to 'being a NEW CREATION' Not signing of the cross. Again, wrong usage of the verses.]
THE TEXT LITERALLY, WORD FOR WORD REFERS TO GLORY IN THE CROSS OF JESUS. IT APPLIES TO THE NEW CREATION THEOLOGY AND IT APPLIES ALSO TO THE ACTUAL CHRISTIAN PRACTICE OF HONORING THE CROSS. IT IS YOU WHO ARE WRONG. YOU ARE LIMITING YOUR EXPLANATION OF THE TEXT TO ONE INTERPRETATION ONLY. YOU ARE LIMITING THE POWER OF THE WORD OF GOD. THE WORD USE IS "TO BOAST OR TO GLORY IN THE CROSS OF JESUS". WE ROMAN CHRISTIANS ARE THE ONES FAMOUS IN DOING SO, SPIRITUALLY, THEOLOGICALLY AND EVEN PHYSICALLY.
*[Why pray to Mary?]
ReplyDeleteBECAUSE MARY IS A HUMAN PERSON WHO IS HIGHLY FAVORED BY GOD
[-Yes because Mary was chosen among the women to bear Jesus. But that doesn't mean to worship her and to regard her as queen.]
WELL, HOW CAN I ARGUE WITH YOU WHEN YOU ARE ALREADY OUT OF YOUR MIND. YOU ARE THE ONE TELLING ME WHAT I AM BELIEVING RATHER THAN ME TELLING YOUR WHAT I OR MY CHURCH TRULY BELIEVES.
WE ARE NOT WORSHIPPING MARY. YOU MUST BEAR THAT IN MIND IF THERE IS ANY SENSE OF DECENCY ON YOUR PART. WE CATHOLICS WORSHIPS JESUS BUT NEVER MARY. NEVER EVER.
WHO IS THE DEMON WHO TOLD YOU THAT WE ARE WORSHIPPING MARY? OUR POPE AND BISHOPS AND OUR MANUALS OF FAITH DO NOT TEACH SUCH A THING.
IT WAS GOD WHO MADE HER A QUEEN BY CHOOSING HER TO BE THE MOTHER OF THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. THE DIGNITY OF MARY AS QUEEN-MOTHER IS A CONSEQUENCE OF HER BEING THE MOTHER OF THE GREATEST KING OF ALL.
[Jesus and all the apostles didn't even taught us that. Never.]
THEY TAUGHT US THAT. THEY TAUGHT US THAT THE MOTHER OF THE KING OF THE WORLD IS SEEN AS A GREAT SIGN IN HEAVEN CROWNED WITH TWELVE STARS [REVELATION 12:1-5]. THE ONE OPPOSING THAT QUEEN IS ACTUALLY THE DRAGON - THE ANCIENT SERPENT WHO DECEIVED OUR FIRST PARENTS [REVELATION 12:9]. WE SIDED WITH THE WOMAN AND YOU SIDED WITH THE SERPENT. LIKE THE SERPENT YOU WANT TO REJECT AND DEVOUR THE WOMAN WHO GAVE BIRTH TO THE KING OF ALL NATIONS. AS I TOLD YOU YOUR FAITH IS SATANIC.
[-And also, the virginity of Mary did not remained long after the birth of Jesus because Jesus have brothers.]
ANOTHER STUPIDITY. THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY BLOOD-BROTHERS. THE WORD USED WAS ADELPHOI WHICH IS NOT LIMITED TO BLOOD BROTHERS.
IT IS NOWHERE STATED IN THE BIBLE THAT MARY IS NO LONGER A VIRGIN OR THAT SHE BECAME PREGNANT AGAIN OR THAT SHE GAVE BIRTH AGAIN OR THAT THOSE BRETHREN OF JESUS ARE REFERRED TO AS CHILDREN OF MARY. NEVER. CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE.
LOOK AT YOUR STYLE. YOU ARE TRULY POSSESSED BY THE DEVIL. YOU ARE THROWING ME TOPIC AFTER TOPIC, ACCUSASIONS AFTER ACCUSATIONS. YOU SHOULD PRESENT ONE TOPIC AT A TIME. HOW CAN WE TRULY ADDRESS THE ISSUES IF YOU ARE JUMPING FROM ONE TOPIC TO ANOTHER. YOU ARE HIDING YOUR FAITH COWARDLY AND FOR ME YOU KEEP ON THROWING MUDS AT OURS. YOU ARE INDEED SERPENT-LIKE. THAT IS HOW LOW YOUR KIND HAS BECOME.
[-in the Trinity (God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit) there is no such thing or title as queen.]
ReplyDeleteWHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT THERE IS A QUEEN IN THE TRINITY? WHEN DID SATAN TEACH YOU THAT?
IT IS NEVER A CATHOLIC DOCTRINE THAT THERE IS A QUEEN IN THE TRINITY. THAT IS JUST A PRODUCT OF YOUR MALICIOUS AND FICTITIOUS IMAGINATIONS.
YOU ARE ATTACKING YOUR OWN INVENTED DOCTRINE AND NOT THE REAL CATHOLIC DOCTRINE.
[Therefore worshipping or praying to Mary is unbiblical and unnecessary for salvation.]
WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT WORSHIPPING AND PRAYING IS THE SAME? WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT PRAYER CANNOT BE ADDRESSED TO A HUMAN PERSON?
I ALREADY BOMBARDED YOU WITH BIBLICAL PASSAGES SHOWING RIGHT IN THE KING JAMES VERSION OF THE BIBLE THAT THE WORDS "I PRAY THEE" ARE ADDRESED TO HUMAN PERSONS. PRAYER IS NOT ONLY FOR GOD BUT CAN BE ADDRESSED TO HUMAN PERSON AS WELL. PRAYER SIMPLY MEAN "ASKING". EVEN LAWYERS ARE PRAYING THE COURT OR THE JUDGE TO GRANT THEIR PETITIONS.
WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAYS THAT PRAYER IS ONLY FOR GOD? THE BIBLE ATTESTS THAT PRAYER IS ALSO FOR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS.
[-Apostle's Creed is unbiblical. The apostles never taught us that neither Jesus Himself. The use of the words 'the Holy Catholic Church' was never found in the bible. HERESY. Unbiblical. Making fame and glory to themselves only.]
ReplyDeleteIDIOT. YOU ONLY PROVE TO US HOW IGNORANT YOU ARE. ALMOST ALL THE MAJOR PROTESTANT CHURCHES ARE RECOGNIZING THE VALIDITY OF THE APOSTLES CREED AND HERE YOU ARE TRYING TO BE FUNNY THAT THE APOSTLE'S CREED IS UNBIBLICAL.
THE WORD CATHOLIC OR CATHOLIC CHURCH ARE NOT ENGLISH BUT ORIGINALLY GREEK. IT CAME FROM THE GREEK BIBLE LITERALLY:
Act 9:31 Αἱ μὲν οὖν ἐκκλησίαι καθ᾿ ὅλης τῆς ᾿Ιουδαίας καὶ Γαλιλαίας καὶ Σαμαρείας εἶχον εἰρήνην οἰκοδομούμεναι καὶ πορευόμεναι τῷ φόβῳ τοῦ Κυρίου, καὶ τῇ παρακλήσει τοῦ ῾Αγίου Πνεύματος ἐπληθύνοντο.
IN TRANSLITERATION IT IS READ;
ACTS 9:31 "He men oun EKKLESIA KATH'OLES tes Judaias kai Galilaias kai Samarias..."
THAT IS THE ROOT AND ORIGIN OF OUR NAME CATHOLIC CHURCH.
HOW ABOUT THE MENNONITE BAPTIST CHURCH? THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH? THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHURCH? THE JESUS IS LORD FELLOWSHIP INC.? THE JESUS MIRACLE CRUSADE? THE BILLY GRAHAM MINISTRY? THE 700 CLUB? THE BIBLE ONLY CHURCH? HA, HA, HA...
WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THE PROTESTANT CHURCHES? THE LUTHERAN CHURCH? THE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH? THE METHODIST CHURCH? THE EPISCOPALIAN CHURCH? THE ANGLICAN CHURCH? WHERE? CHAPTERS AND VERSES. HA, HA, HA...
[-the only recognized form of prayer is this (Matthew 6: 9-13)]
ReplyDeleteTHAT IS WHY WE ARE THE TRUE CHURCH. THE OUR FATHER IS THE OFFICIAL PRAYER OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. AND IT CULMINATES OUR WORSHIP. THE BORN AGAIN, THE BAPTISTS AND THE EVANGELICALS ARE SATANICALLY INVENTING THEIR OWN PRAYERS INSTEAD. THEY PREFER THE SPONTANEOUS PRAYERS COMPOSED BY THEMSELVES ON THE SPOT. HA, HA, HA...
[(Matthew 6: 7, And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.)]
THAT IS WHY FROM THE BORN AGAIN AND THE BAPTISTS AND SOME PROTESTANT GROUPS CAME THE SO-CALLED "SPEAKING IN TONGUE" ALLEGEDLY. WHEN IN FACT THEY ARE ONLY BABBLING AND GURGLING LIKE PAGANS AND THE VOODOO WORSHIPPERS COMMUNICATING WITH MALEVOLENT SPIRITS.
[It stated there not to pray in repetition or in babbling, which the rosary is a form of repetitive prayers.]
YEAH, YOUR PASTORS ARE PRAYING REPEATEDLY. IN YOUR WORSHIPS PEOPLE ARE REPEADLY PRAYING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THE REPETITIOUS PRAYERS PERSONALLY INVENTED BY YOUR PASTORS, THE REPITIOUS PRAYERS OF ALLELUIA, AMEN, PRAISE THE LORD... THEY ARE REPETITIOUS AREN'T THEY? SO THEY ARE PAGAN BY YOUR STANDARDS.
[Making the Rosary UNBIBLICAL.]
THE ROSARY IS BIBLICAL BECAUSE IN THE ROSARY WE ARE REPEATING THE OUR FATHER AND THE ANGELIC SALUTATION TO MARY AS FOUND IN THE GOSPEL OF LUKE. THE ROSARY IS MORE BIBLICAL THAN THE PERSONALLY INVENTED PRAYERS OF YOUR PASTORS AND MINISTERS WHO ARE BABBLING LIKE PAGANS IMITATING THE VOODOO WORSHIPPERS WITH THEIR SHOUTINGS AND RAISING OF HANDS UNDER THE DISCO-LIKE OR ROCK N ROLL TYPE MUSIC. THERE IS VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR WORSHIPS AND THE ORGIES OF THE ROCKSTERS.
[The whole composition of the rosary is UNBIBICAL.]
THE WHOLE COMPOSITION OF THE ROSARY IS BIBLICAL. I HAVE PROVEN THAT ABOVE. COMMENT ON IT LINE BY LINE, PIECE BY PIECE AND SEE IF YOU CAN DESTROY IT.
*WHO IS THE DEMON WHO TOLD YOU THAT PURGATORY IS IMAGINARY?
ReplyDelete[-Purgatory is UNBIBLICAL.]
PURGATORY IS BIBLICAL.
[-Hebrews 9: 27-28, Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgement, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people.]
IT SUPPORTS PURGATORY. BECAUSE AFTER DEATH THERE WILL STILL BE JUDGMENT ON THE DEAD. THEY CAN STILL BE CLEANSED BY CHRIST'S GRACE.
[-There are no more mediators, no place for souls, for the soul of the departed is directly judged upon his/her death.]
THERE IS NO TIME-FRAME BETWEEN DEATH AND JUDGMENT. IT ONLY STATES THAT JUDGEMENT WILL COME AFTER DEATH. THE CLEANSING POWER OF CHRIST IS STILL OPERATIVE EVEN UNTIL DEATH BECAUSE PRIOR TO JUDGMENT THE SAVIOR IS STILL AIMING FOR THE SALVATION OF EVERY HUMAN SOULS.
[(3. The living can extend assistance to such souls)]
ReplyDeleteYES. BECAUSE THE SOULS OF THE DEAD ARE ALSO ALIVE:
Luk 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
Luk 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
Luk 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that THE BEGGAR DIED, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: THE RICH MAN ALSO DIED, and was buried;
Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
HA, HA, HA.. THE BEGGAR DIED BUT HE IS SEEN ALIVE WITH ABRAHAM. ABRAHAM IS DEAD BUT ALIVE ALSO IN THE LIFE AFTER DEATH. THE RICH MAN DIED AS WELL BUT HE IS PRESENTED AS ALIVE.
SO WHEN WE SPEAK OF "LIVING" WE REFERS TO THE PEOPLE ON EARTH, TO THE SAINTS IN HEAVEN AND THE SOULS IN PURGATORY WHO ARE AWAITING TO BE IN HEAVEN.
[-No one can even extend their help to the dead. It is unbiblical.]
WHO IS THE DEMON WHO TOLD YOU THAT WE ARE EXTENDING HELP TO THE DEAD? WHAT WE ARE DOING IS PRAYING TO GOD TO HAVE MERCY ON THE SOULS OF THE DEAD. SURELY GOD CAN HELP THE SOULS OF THE DEAD. IF ABRAHAM CAN SPEAK WORDS OF CONSOLATION TO THE SOUL OF THE DEAD RICH MAN HOW MUCH MORE THE LORD JESUS.
WE ARE ASKING THE LORD TO FORGIVE THE SINS OF THE DEAD AND TO ACCEPT HIM IN HIS MERCY TO BE ACCEPTED IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. SURELY JESUS CAN DO SO, CAN'T HE?
[If the living can extend help and can lessen the sins of the dead, THEN CHRIST'S ATONEMENT WAS FOR NOTHING!]
THAT IS WHY OUR SUPPLICATION FOR THE DEAD IS ADDRESSED TO JESUS. WE DO NOT CLAIM OF HELPING THE DEAD. THAT IS A PRODUCT OF YOUR OWN IMAGINATION.
[The crucifixion was nothing.]
IT MEANS NOTHING TO YOU AND YOUR KIND. IN FACT YOU HATE THE CROSS OF JESUS. YOU ARE REJECTING IT. YOU ARE AN ENEMY OF THE CROSS OF CHRIST.
[-the doctrine of purgatory is NOT clearly seen in the bible. HERESY]
HA, HA, HA... HOW PATHETIC YOU ARE. A MEMBER OF A NEWLY INVENTED SATANIC AND HERETICAL GROUP HAS NO AUTHORITY OVER THE CHURCH OF ROME. HA, HA, HA... SOLA SCRIPTURA AND SOLA FIDE ARE THE REAL HERESIES. NEWLY INVENTED AND WE KNOW WHO INVENTED THEM: MARTIN LUTHER OF GERMANY. HA, HA, HA...
*[Why condemn our 5 solas?]
ReplyDeleteBECAUSE THEY ARE ONLY INVENTED BY LUTHER, CALVIN AND THEIR FELLOW HERETICS.
WILL YOU PLEASE ENNUMERATE YOUR 5 SOLAS. I WANT TO CHECK THEM ONE BY ONE, PIECE BY PIECE.
[-Sola Scriptura]
UNBIBLICAL. NEVER TAUGHT BY CHRIST AND THE APOSTLE. SATANIC.
[-Sola Fide]
WORD FOR WORD REJECTED AND VOMITED BY THE BIBLE. ST. JAMES LITERALLY AND CATEGORICALLY AND DIRECTLY AND SPECIFICALLY CONDEMNED THIS DOCTRINE:
JAMES 2:24 You see, then, that it is by our actions that we are put right with God, and NOT BY OUR FAITH ALONE. [Todays English Version/Good News Bible]
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and NOT BY FAITH ONLY. [KING JAMES VERSION]
THIS DOCTRINE IS SATANIC. DEMONIC. IMAGINE, A DOCTRINE WORD FOR WORD REJECTED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT IS BEING PROMOTED BY YOU AS A TRUTH FROM GOD. REPENT FROM YOUR LIES. APOLOGIZED TO GOD FOR ALLOWING SATAN TO DECEIVE YOU AND REPENT FOR ALLOWING YOURSELF TO BE AN INSTRUMENT OF SATAN IN PREACHING A 100% SURE UNBIBLICAL DOCTRINE.
IN THE NAME OF GOD: THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT I COMMAND YOU TO REPENT FROM YOUR SATANIC SOLA FIDE.
[-Sola Gratia]
GRACE ALONE. SO YOU DON'T NEED GOD. YOU ARE ONLY AFTER GRACE YET YOU DON'T NEED GOD THE GIVER OF GRACES.
[-Solo Christo]
CHRIST ALONE. SO YOU DON'T NEED THE FATHER. CHRIST ALONE, SO YOU DON'T NEED THE HOLY SPIRIT.
[-Soli Deo Gloria]
WHY ARE YOU HONORING YOUR PASTORS AND TELE-EVANGELISTS. IF YOU ARE ONLY AFTER THE GLORY OF GOD HOW COME YOUR PASTORS ARE TEACHING "THE GOSPEL OF PROSPERITY"?
YOU ARE NOT ONLY AFTER THE GLORY OF GOD. YOUR RELIGION IS ALSO AFTER THE TITHING DONATIONS OF YOUR MEMBERS. THAT IS WHY THE FOUNDERS AND OWNERS OF YOUR FELLOWSHIPS AND CHURCHES ARE YOUR OWN PASTORS. BILLY GRAHAM AND THE JOEL OSTEEN AND THEIR LIKES ARE MORE HONORED IN YOUR CIRCLE THAN MARY OF NAZARETH, PAUL OF TARSUS, SIMON PETER AND THE REST OF THE HOLY SAINTS OF GOD IN THE BIBLE.
[*ENGRAVED IMAGES
ReplyDelete-Exodus 20: 3-4
-The Catholics have DISOBEYED the 2nd and 3rd commandment. That's why in the Catholic bible, the 3rd commandment is different.]
LIAR, LIAR, LIAR... WHAT BIBLE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS DIFFERENT FROM THE PROTESTANT BIBLE? HA, HA, HA... LET US SEE IF WHAT IS WRITTEN IN EXODUS 20:3-4 OF THE CATHOLIC BIBLE ARE DIFFERENT OR THE SAME:
DOIAY-RHIEMS VERSION 1610 [CATHOLIC]:
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth.
KING JAMES VERSION 1611 [PROTESTANT]:
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
THEY ARE SIMILAR. THERE IS SLIGHT DIFFERENCE IN THE WORDINGS SINCE THEY WERE TRANSLATED BY DIFFERENT SCHOLARS YET THE THOUGHT, THE SUBSTANCE OF EACH VERSES IS THE SAME. WHAT BIBLE ARE YOU REFERRING TO? WILL YOU NAME THAT BIBLE? HE, HE, HE... LIAR, LIAR, LIAR...
[-NO, NOT EVEN ONE engraved images. Images in your chapel and other establishment contains images, IDOLATRY.]
O LIAR, LIAR, LIAR... YOU CHANGED YOUR STATEMENT AND YOU EDITED MY OWN. TSK, TSK, TSK... THAT IS FOUL. YOU ARE A LIAR INDEED. HERE IS OUR EXCHANGE:
"[and idols in the chapels and parish?]
O NO, NO, NO... WE DO NOT HAVE IDOLS IN OUR CHAPELS AND PARISHES. NEVER EVER AND SHALL NEVER BE. WE ONLY HAVE IMAGES OF CHRIST, MARY, JOSEPH, THE HOLY APOSTLES, ETC.
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
IN THE PROTESTANTS AND EVANGELICALS, BAPTISTS AND BORN AGAIN I CAN SEE ALWAYS THE IMAGES OF THEIR PASTORS SUCH AS JOEL OSTEEN, SWAGGART, THE BAKKERS, BENNY HINN, JOHN MCARTHUR, ETC. HA, HA, HA... SO MUCH FOR NOT HAVING IMAGES."
YOU SEE... YOU ORIGINALLY STATED "IDOLS". THEN YOU SATANICALLY CHANGED IT TO "IMAGES". HOW NICE OF YOU. YOU ARE LIKE RODIMUS THE CERTIFIED LIAR, FOND OF CHANGING THINGS. HA, HA, HA...
[-God commanded Moses to make images of Cherubim and other things, for the completion of the temple and Ark of the Covenant.]
ReplyDeleteHA, HA, HA... YOU ALREADY REFUTED YOUR CLAIM THAT GOD PROHIBITS IMAGES. HA, HA, HA... WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU SEE, YOU ARE EATING YOUR OWN CLAIMS. GOD INDEED ORDERED THAT IMAGES BE MADE FOR THE TEMPLE.
[God DID NOT command to make images of God themselves.]
WAIT, WAIT, WAIT... YOU ARE CHANGING THE COMMAND OF GOD. THE COMMAND OF GOD IS "DO NOT MAKE GRAVEN IMAGES OF IDOLS." THE IMAGES OF IDOLS OR OTHER GODS ARE THE ONE PROHIBITED. NOW YOU ARE CHANGING IT TO IMAGES OF GOD. HA, HA, HA...
SORRY FOR YOU THERE ARE BIBLICAL IMAGES OF GOD:
1. Burning Bush
2. Pillar of Fire
3. Overshadowing Cloud
4. Eagles Wings
5. Unconquered Light
6. King sitting on the Throne
7. The Rock of the Ages
8. The Three Visitors of Abraham
DID GOD PROHIBITED THE ARTISTIC EXPRESSION OF THESE BIBLICAL IMAGES? WHERE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. HA, HA, HA...
[Images of God in your chapels is IDOLATRY. It is detestable to God.]
NO, NO, NO... ACTUALLY GOD IS ANGRY THAT THE FOLLOWERS OF SATAN ARE DESTROYING THE GRAVEN IMAGES IN THE HOUSES OF WORSHIPS IN VARIOUS PLACES LIKE WHAT YOU AND YOUR LIKES HAVE DONE TO THE SACRED IMAGES IN OUR HOUSES OF WORSHIPS:
Psa 74:3 Lift up thy feet unto the perpetual desolations; even all that the enemy hath done wickedly IN THE SANCTUARY.
Psa 74:4 Thine enemies roar in the midst of thy congregations; they set up their ensigns for signs.
Psa 74:5 A man was famous according as he had lifted up axes upon the thick trees.
Psa 74:6 But now THEY BREAK DOWN THE CARVED WORK thereof at once with axes and hammers.
Psa 74:7 They have cast fire into thy sanctuary, they have defiled by casting down the dwelling place of thy name to the ground.
Psa 74:8 They said in their hearts, Let us destroy them together: they have burned up all the synagogues of God in the land.
DO YOU HAVE SANCTUARIES? NO. DO WE HAVE SANCTUARIES IN OUR HOUSES OF WORHIPS? YES. HOW COME YOU DON'T HAVE? YOU DESTROYED THEM. YOU DESTROYED THE SANCTUARIES IN GERMANY, SWITZERLAND, NETHERLANDS, ETC. WHERE PROTESTANTISM DOMINATE BECAUSE THE SANCTUARIES THAT WE BUILT WERE HAVING CARVED WORKS.
LIKE THE ENEMIES OF GOD IN PSALM 74 YOU DESTROYED THE SANCTUARIES, TABERNACLES AND ALTARS AND DESTROYED WITH AX AND HAMMERS THE CARVED IMAGES THEREIN.
YOU AND YOUR KIND ARE THE DEMONIC FULFILLMENT OF THAT TERRIBLE PROPHECY. YOU ARE ENEMIES OF THE HOUSES OF WORSHIPS THAT GOD WILLED TO BE ADORNED WITH CARVED IMAGES. INSTEAD YOU SHATTERED AND BURNED THEM DOWN TO THE GROUND. YOU WILL PAY TO GOD FOR THE CRIMES THAT YOU HAVE DONE. MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOULS FOR BEING HIS ENEMIES.
THESE CARVED IMAGES ARE NOT IDOLS. THEY ARE SACRED SYMBOLS OF THE TRUE FAITH. JUST THE FOLLOWING VERSE STATES THAT:
Psalm 74:9 "All our SACRED SYMBOLS are gone; there are no prophets left, and no one knows how long this will last." [GNB]
THAT IS THE EVIL COMMITTED BY THE ICONOCLASTS AND THAT IS THE SAME EVIL PERPETRATED BY THE ANTI-CATHOLICS LIKE YOU.
[-It is unbiblical. God did NOT command us to pray and worship to them with the use of images. IDOLATRY!]
ReplyDeleteSTUPID. MOSES AND AARON AND SOLOMON WERE PRAYING AND WORSHIPPING INSIDE THE TEMPLE FILLED WITH GRAVEN IMAGES. EVEN THE SYNAGOGUES WERE HAVING CARVED IMAGES AS STATED ABOVE. JESUS AS ALSO PRAYING AND WORSHIPPING INSIDE THE SYNAGOGUES AND THE TEMPLE, YET JESUS NEVER ORDERED THE DESTRUCTION OF THE SACRED SYMBOLS AND CARVED IMAGES IN THE TEMPLE AND IN THE SYNAGOGUES.
THE PROBLEM WITH YOU YOU ARE ASKING US TO ACCEPT YOUR OWN NARROW MINDEDNESS. WE WILL LET YOU ENJOY YOUR IGNORANCE AND YOUR DESTRUCTIVE MENTALITIES AND WE WILL ENJOY OUR SACRED SYMBOLS AND CARVED IMAGES AS WILLED AND ORDERED BY GOD. HE, HE, HE...
[ALL OF THESE SUMS UP THAT CATHOLICS GLORIFIED THEMSELVES, NOT GLORIFYING WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE, AND BIBLE ALONE.]
THERE GOES TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE TRULY IGNORANT OF THE BIBLE AND THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE ONE TRULY FAITHFUL TO THE HOLY SCRIPTURES. HA, HA, HA...
[Thanks for the link on facebook.]
ReplyDeleteYOU ARE WELCOME.
hi fr. abe. thanks for your explanations!
ReplyDeletemy main source for warding off uninvited christians-kuno!
pls explain po, is man good or bad by nature? if we are made from the image and likeness of God, then we should be good by nature. ito po ang lagi kong punto.
but then, some protestant colleagues say, man is evil by nature because of the fall of the first man. kaya nga daw tayo may original sin kasi evil ang nature natin. and we always fall into sin as we go on in this world.
pero di po ba ang original sin, hindi naman actual sin? more like deprivation of the kingdom of heaven yun? tama po
Dear Anonymous,
ReplyDelete[hi fr. abe. thanks for your explanations!]
You are welcome. Praise the Lord for His great love is without end.
[my main source for warding off uninvited christians-kuno!]
Ha, ha, ha...
[pls explain po, is man good or bad by nature? if we are made from the image and likeness of God, then we should be good by nature. ito po ang lagi kong punto.]
Tama. Genesis chapter One categorically and repeatedly stated that God created everything GOOD. And the ultimately created good among His creatures here on earth is THE HUMAN PERSON.
[but then, some protestant colleagues say, man is evil by nature because of the fall of the first man.]
When Man committed sin he lost the state of innocence given by God and it removed him from the state of grace. However, the Bible never stated that since then MAN IS EVIL BY NATURE. O NO. That is only existing in the mind of the Born Again or Protestants because they were poisoned by the heresy of John Calvin. That is not the Biblical teaching.
Man became weak, frail and prone to corruption of sin but he is not by nature evil. Because the Nature of every human person is not created by Satan or by Sin but by GOD. GOD IS OUR CREATOR... GOD IS THE CREATOR OF THE HUMAN RACE. AND GOD SHALL NOT CREATE EVIL. EVERYTHING THAT COMES FROM HIM IS GOOD. So our Nature is still good but there is a taint of Sin or corruption.
The analogy is that of a fruit. There is a part that starts decaying but the rest of the fruit except that small part is still good.
IF MAN IS ALREADY EVIL BY NATURE THEN WE ARE TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY EVIL. WE ARE ALREADY SIMILAR TO THE DEVIL. WE ARE ONLY GOOD FOR DAMNATION.
YET WE KNOW THAT IT IS NOT SO. WE ARE STILL GOOD. WE ARE CAPABLE OF LOVING, DOING GOOD, HELPING OTHERS, WE ARE STILL CAPABLE OF BELIEVING IN GOD AND FOLLOWING HIS WILL THROUGH THE GRACE GOD IS GIVING US.
YES, EVERY GOOD THAT ARE IN US ARE GRACE FROM GOD. THAT IS TRUE. HOWEVER, GRACE BUILDS ON NATURE. LIKE WATER WORKING INSIDE THE WATER TANK. IF THE NATURE OF MAN IS EVIL THEN THERE IS NO WAY FOR THE GRACE OF GOD TO WORK ON IT JUST LIKE IN THE CASE OF LUCIFER AND HIS FALLEN ANGELS.
THE FACT THAT GOD SENT HIS SON TO BE OUR REDEEMER IS PROOF THAT WE ARE NOT EVIL BY NATURE. WE ARE STILL GOOD WHICH MUST BE SAVED FROM THE EVIL THAT IS TRYING TO DOMINATE US.
[kaya nga daw tayo may original sin kasi evil ang nature natin.]
ReplyDeleteORIGINAL SIN REFERS ONLY TO THE FACT THAT OUR FIRST PARENTS: ADAM AND EVE SINNED. DUE TO THAT FIRST SIN DEATH ENTERED INTO THE WORLD AND THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE HAVE BEEN TAINTED BY SIN. IT IS NOT INCLUDED IN OUR DOCTRINE OF ORIGINAL SIN THAT ALL MEN HAVE BECOME EVIL BY NATURE. WELL, IF THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE: PROTESTANTS AND BORN AGAIN AND BAPTISTS... LET IT BE SO. AT LEAST IT CAME FROM THEM NOT FROM US. HA, HA, HA...
THAT IS THE CLASSIC CASE OF THE DEVIL CAUGHT IN HIS OWN MOUTH!
[and we always fall into sin as we go on in this world.]
WE ALWAYS FALL INTO SIN BUT WE ARE ALSO EMPOWERED BY GOD'S GRACE TO BE CLEANSED FROM THAT SIN AGAIN AND AGAIN. IF WE ARE EVIL BY NATURE THEN THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN BE CLEANSED BECAUSE WHAT IS EVIL IS NOT JUST ACCIDENTAL TO OUR BEING BUT ESSENTIAL TO IT. THE FACT THAT JESUS CAN REMOVE OUR SINS THEN SIN IS NOT ROOTED IN OUR NATURE.
IF EVIL IS ROOTED IN OUR NATURE THEN IN ORDER TO CLEANSE US FROM OUR SIN JESUS MUST REMOVE OR DESTROY FIRST OUR NATURE. NO, NO, NO... JESUS DIDN'T REMOVE THE HUMAN NATURE OF THE WOMAN CAUGHT IN ADULTERY WHEN HE FORGIVE HER. JESUS DDIN'T REMOVE THE NATURE OF SAUL WHEN HE FORGIVE HIM. THE SAME WITH PETER AND THE REST OF THE APOSTLES AND ALL THE SINNERS WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
OBVIOUSLY, MARY MAGDALEN, PETER AND PAUL WERE HUMAN IN NATURE PRIOR TO THE FORGIVENESS OF JESUS AND THEY REMAINED HUMAN AFTER BEING CLEANSED FROM THEIR SINS.
THE PROBLEM WITH THE BORN AGAIN AND BAPTISTS IS THAT FOR THEM, THEY ARE NOT REALLY CLEANSED OF SINS... THEY ARE DUNGHILL COVERED WITH SNOW. GOSH, THEY ARE ROTTEN REALLY BY NATURE. THEY ARE EXCREMENTS OF COWS AND HORSES DEEP INSIDE.
[pero di po ba ang original sin, hindi naman actual sin?]
YES.
[more like deprivation of the kingdom of heaven yun? tama po]
YES. ALSO, IT MEANS THAT THE PERSON IS AFFECTED BY SIN AND IS PRONE TO SIN AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THE SIN OF OUR FIRST PARENTS. THE HUMAN PERSON IS SUSCEPTIBLE AND CAPABLE OF SINNING.
Hello Father Abe, thank you very much sa iyong explanations. Mabuhay po kayo. May Our Loving GOD Our LORD JESUS protects and keeps you well.
ReplyDeleteWhat agreement is there between the temple of God and "IDOLS"? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."
ReplyDelete- 2 Corinthians 6:15
"Thou shalt not HAVE any other gods besides me
Thou shalt not make for thyself any graven image
(carved idol) or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; thou shalt not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, punishing the iniquities of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those that hate me; but showing mercy to thousands of generations of those that love me, and keep my commandments."
-This is the real second commandment, why did you remove this in yours?
"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone "ADDS" anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone "TAKES WORDS" AWAY from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. "
-Revelation 22:18-19
Any idol or concept of God that is inaccurate is an idol, a violation of the second commandment.
To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?(Isa. 40:18).
The second commandment reads as follows:
“Thou shalt not MAKE unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments” (Ex. 20:4-6). This text clearly states that there are to be no images made with the expectation of worship, nor for the purpose of bowing down to them.
Those who involve themselves in idol worship or conjuring up false concepts of God do so for the purpose of serving that image or concept. This is because many people desire to have something to which they can render service.
BOOM! Headshot talaga ang ginawa ni Fr. Abe laban sa mga heresiya ni Busta! It's not protecting man from Scripture, but Scripture from man. Is that an accurate assessment, Fr. Abe?
ReplyDeleteHi Abe. I find this post very interesting and I would like to share my thoughts.
ReplyDeleteYou said...
IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT YOU ARE QUESTIONING THE POWER OF THE CHURCH TO FORGIVE SINS SHOW THAT YOUR FAITH IS NOT GENUINELY CHRISTIAN. IT IS FAKE. BECAUSE THE TRUE CHRISTIAN CHURCH HAS THE POWER TO FORGIVE SINS THROUGH ITS MINISTERS:
John 20:21-23 (New International Version)
21Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." 22And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."
THE FACT THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS THE DOCTRINE OF FORGIVENESS OF SINS ONLY PROVES THAT WE ARE THE TRUE CHURCH ENTRUSTED BY CHRIST TO HIS APOSTLES.
I say...
John 20:21-23 must not be interpreted to mean that Jesus gave to a select body of people the right to forgive sins and let people into heaven. Jesus had spoken similar words before (Matt 16:19), but He was not setting aside the disciples (and their successors) as a "spiritual elite" to deal with the sins of the world. Remember, there were others in the room besides the disciples, and Thomas was missing!
A correct understanding of the Greek text helps us here. The correct translation both here and in Matt 16:19 should be: "Whosoever sins you remit [forgive) shall have already been forgiven them, and whosoever sins you retain [do not forgive) shall have already not been forgiven them" In other words, the disciples did not provide forgiveness; they proclaimed forgiveness on the basis of the message of the Gospel. Another Greek scholar, Dr. Kenneth Wuest, translates it "they have been previously forgiven them."
As the early believers went forth into the world, they announced the good news of salvation. If sinners would repent and believe on Jesus Christ, their sins would be forgiven them! "Who can forgive sins but God only?" (Mark 2:7) U that the Christian can do is announce the message of forgiveness; God performs the miracle of forgiveness. If sinners will, believe on Jesus Christ, we can authoritatively declare to them that their sins have been forgiven; but we are not the ones who provide the forgiveness.
We cannot take a single passage of Scripture and build a doctrine out of it without considering what the other parts of the Bible say about it.
You said...
"THE DOCTRINE OF PURGATORY OR OF CLEANSING OF SINS IS A BIBLICAL DOCTRINE."
I say...
Where in the Bible does it say that?
You said...
THE INDULGENCES ARE NOT FOR SALE BECAUSE EVERY CATHOLIC CAN ACQUIRE THEM BY LIVING THEIR BIBLICAL FAITH:
* Adoration and Prayer to God
* Feeding the Hungry
* Giving drink to the thirsty
* Giving clothe to the naked
* Taking good care of the Sick
* Visiting the Prisoners
* Comforting the Sorrowful
I say...
How does one have or receive this Biblical faith you are talking about? It is obvious that in practice, Catholicism teaches salvation by works (following traditions set by the church, good works that you have mentioned, etc.) when it is very clear in the Bible that SALVATION IS BY GOD'S GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN CHRIST.
Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5
This truth did not originate form Luther but from the Bible.
I agree that God does not create evil and since He made Adam and Eve according to His image and likeness then originally there was no evil. But since Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil then evil entered.
ReplyDeleteI believe that the correct terminology is we are all sinners by our fallen nature. Romans 5:12, 18; Romans 3:10-11, Romans 3:23
[Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
ReplyDeleteExodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.]
HERE IS OUR CATHOLIC RESPONSE:
The Bible does not forbid image-making absolutely because God Himself commanded His people to make Images for His Holy Temple, Altar & Sanctuaries.
Exodus 25:18-19 God commanded Moses to make statues of the Cherubims (Angels). [37:1-9/1 Kings 6:23-28/2 Chronicles 3:10-13/5:8].
Exodus 25:33-36 Almond Flowers and Fruits in the Candelabra of the Holy Tent. [37:17-21]
Exodus 26:1,31 Curtains of the Tabernacle are embroidered with Images of Cherubims. [36:8,35]
Exodus 28:33-34 Images of Pomegranate Fruits (Granada) & Bells in the ‘holy garment’ of priests [v.2] to be used in serving at the ‘holy place’ [v. 35]. [37:17-22/39:24-27]
Exodus 39:14 Engraved image of a Signet
Exodus 39: 15 Image of Chains in breastplate of priests
1 Kings 6:18 Cedar of the interior of the Temple was carved with Knops and Open Flowers.
1 Kings 6:29 The Temple Walls were carved with figures of Cherubims, Palm Trees & Open Flowers.
1 Kings 6:32 The two doors of the Temple were carved with Cherubims, Palm Trees & Open Flowers [v.35]
1 Kings 7:18-20,22 The capitals on top of the columns of the Temple were designed with Pomegranates and Lily flowers. Also of Knops [v. 24].
1 Kings 7:25 Twelve Statues of Bulls [v. 44]. [2 Chronicles 4:3-4].
1 Kings 7:26 The water basin is formed like a Cup with Flowers of Lilies. [2 Chron 4:5].
1 Kings 7:29 Images of Lions, Oxens & Cherubims on bases.
1 Kings 7:30 The bases has Four Brazen Wheels [v. 32].
1 Kings 7:42 Pomegranates fruits
1 Kings 7:49 Flowers, lamps and tongs of gold [2 Chronincles 4:21]
2 Chronicles 3:5 The ceiling of the Temple was adored with Images of Fir Tree, Palm Trees & Chains.
2 Chronicles 3:7 The Temple doors are adorned with the engraved Cherubims.
2 Chronicles 3:14 Temple veils are adorned with Cherubims.
2 Chronicles 3:16 The top of the Temple pillars are designed with Chains & a hundred Pomegranates (Granada).
2 Chronicles 4:13 Four hundred Pomegranates (Granada) forming Two Wreaths to cover the capitals upon pillars.
Ezekiel 41:18-20 Ezekiel describes graven images in the temple consisting of carved likenesses of Cherubims with faces of Lions and Men. [These are similar to the images of the angels and saints in many Catholic churches.] Also images of Palm Trees.
GOD ORDERED MOSES AND SOLOMON TO PUT GRAVEN IMAGES IN THE TEMPLE, ALTARS, SANCTUARIES AND HOLY OF HOLIES.
YES, THANKS BRO. AEGIS-JUDEX
ReplyDeletefr. abe, we need your help, im a member of 100% katolikong pinoy at facebook and were under attack by anti Catholics and protestants at mga so-called Christians, ang pinapangamba ko po ay bka maligaw ng landas ang iba nating kapatid sa pag mamanipulate ng mga un, tayo daw ay fraud, demonic at unbiblically, eh sa mga pinagsasabi nila ay sino kya ang fraud, demonic at unbiblicaly, gusto ko pong matuto sa inyo fr.abe, maging isang apologist pra maipagtatangol ko ang simbahn laban sa knila..
ReplyDeleteI am the Anonymous in June 29;
ReplyDeleteSo you are telling that those verses you gave are contradicting the verses i've given to you..?
Answer the question that "Why did you remove the real second commandment of God from exodus 20?"
And can you explain this verse?
This is a verse from Isaiah 44
9 How FOOLISH are those who MANUFACTURE IDOLS.
These prized objects are really worthless.
The people who worship idols don’t know this,
so they are all put to shame.
10 Who but a fool would make his own god—
an idol that cannot help him one bit?
11 All who worship idols will be disgraced
along with all these craftsmen—mere humans—
who claim they can make a god.
They may all stand together,
but they will stand in terror and shame.
12 The blacksmith stands at his forge to make a sharp tool,
pounding and shaping it with all his might.
His work makes him hungry and weak.
It makes him thirsty and faint.
13 Then the wood-carver measures a block of wood
and draws a pattern on it.
He works with chisel and plane
and carves it into a human figure.
He gives it human beauty
and puts it in a little shrine.
14 He cuts down cedars;
he selects the cypress and the oak;
he plants the pine in the forest
to be nourished by the rain.
15 Then he uses part of the wood to make a fire.
With it he warms himself and bakes his bread.
Then—yes, it’s true—he takes the rest of it
and makes himself a god to worship!
He makes an idol
and bows down in front of it!
16 He burns part of the tree to roast his meat
and to keep himself warm.
He says, “Ah, that fire feels good.”
17 Then he takes what’s left
and makes his god: a carved idol!
He falls down in front of it,
worshiping and praying to it.
“Rescue me!” he says.
“You are my god!”
18 Such stupidity and ignorance!
Their eyes are closed, and they cannot see.
Their minds are shut, and they cannot think.
19 The person who made the idol never stops to reflect,
“Why, it’s just a block of wood!
I burned half of it for heat
and used it to bake my bread and roast my meat.
How can the rest of it be a god?
Should I bow down to worship a piece of wood?”
20 The poor, deluded fool feeds on ashes.
He trusts something that can’t help him at all.
Yet he cannot bring himself to ask,
“Is this idol that I’m holding in my hand a lie?”
And where can you find purgatory in the Bible..? verse please? what's the purpose of Jesus dying on the cross if people can pray for the souls of those who already die to gain salvation?
Jeremiah 9:27 says "It is destined for man to die once and after that the judgment"
and stop saying IDIOT to someone, you don't have the right to judge.
ANSWER TO JEFF ASPACIO 1
ReplyDelete[Hi Abe. I find this post very interesting and I would like to share my thoughts.]
HELLO JEFF. YOU ARE WELCOME. MY APOLOGY FOR POSTING AND REACTING TO YOUR THOUGHTS QUITE LATE. I WAS AWAY FOR A TIME BECAUSE I ATTENDED THE INAUGURATION OF PRES. AQUINO AND WHEN I RETURNED THE INTERNET SERVICE IN OUR PLACE WAS DOWN FOR THREE DAYS. ONLY NOW DID IT RETURN. SO I POSTED IMMEDIATELY THIS MESSAGE
You said...
IN ADDITION, THE FACT THAT YOU ARE QUESTIONING THE POWER OF THE CHURCH TO FORGIVE SINS SHOW THAT YOUR FAITH IS NOT GENUINELY CHRISTIAN. IT IS FAKE. BECAUSE THE TRUE CHRISTIAN CHURCH HAS THE POWER TO FORGIVE SINS THROUGH ITS MINISTERS:
John 20:21-23 (New International Version)
21Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you." 22And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."
THE FACT THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS THE DOCTRINE OF FORGIVENESS OF SINS ONLY PROVES THAT WE ARE THE TRUE CHURCH ENTRUSTED BY CHRIST TO HIS APOSTLES.
[I say...
John 20:21-23 must not be interpreted to mean that Jesus gave to a select body of people the right to forgive sins]
WHY IT MUST NOT BE? HE TALKED TO THE APOSTLES AND GAVE THEM AUTHORITY TO FORGIVE SINS. SO THERE IS A SELECT BODY OF PEOPLE ENTRUSTED WITH SPECIAL POWER TO FORGIVE SINS. IF JESUS WANTED TO GIVE THIS POWER TO ALL HE SHOULD HAVE STATED IT DURING THE SERMON ON THE MOUNT WHERE THE NON APOSTLES WERE PRESENT.
[and let people into heaven. Jesus had spoken similar words before (Matt 16:19),]
MATTHEW 16:9 IS A MORE POWERFUL DECLARATION OF AUTHORITY GIVEN BY JESUS TO AN INVIDIDUAL APOSTLE WHO IS ALSO A MEMBER OF THE SELECT BODY IN JOHN 20:21-23. THEREFORE IT DOES NOT NEGATE MY POSITION. THE MORE IT SUPPORT MY POSITION NOT YOURS.
[but He was not setting aside the disciples (and their successors) as a "spiritual elite" to deal with the sins of the world.]
WE ARE NOT TEACHING THAT THEY ARE SPIRITUAL ELITE BUT THAT THEY ARE SPECIAL MINISTERS OF CHRIST WHO WILL DO THE MINISTRY OF FORGIVING PEOPLE THEIR SINS BY JESUS' AUTHORITY.
DEFINITELY JOHN 20:21-23 GAVE THE APOSTLES A SPECIAL AUTHORITY TO FORGIVE SINS THAT WAS NOT GIVEN FOR INSTANCE TO LAZARUS OR MARTHA OF BETHANY. MUCH MORE PETER WAS GIVEN AUTHORITY IN MT 16:18-19 MORE THAN OTHERS.
[Remember, there were others in the room besides the disciples, and Thomas was missing!]
WHETHER THERE ARE OTHERS IN THE ROOM DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT JESUS DIDN'T ADDRESS THEM AND HAS NOT SPOKEN TO THEM WHEN HE WAS GIVING THAT SPECIAL AUTHORITY. ACTUALLY JOHN 20:21-23 IS MERELY A CONFIRMATION OF THE AUTHORITY HE HAD GIVEN THE APOSTLES IN MATTHEW 18:18.
THE FACT THAT THOMAS WAS MISSING DOES NOT DIMINISHED HIS APOSTOLIC STATUS. THOMAS WAS THERE IN MATTHEW 18:18. AND JESUS DIDN'T LIMIT THE HANDING OVER OF THE SAME AUTHORITY BY MENTIONING THE NAMES ONE BY ONE OF THE APOSTLES TO WHOM HE WAS GIVING THE POWER TO FORGIVE SINS. JESUS DIDN'T EXCLUDE THOMAS. HE SPOKE TO THEM AS A GROUP... AS AN APOSTOLIC BODY.
WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT THAT POWER IS SPECIALLY GIVEN TO A FEW AND NOT TO ALL.
ANSWER TO JEFF ASPACIO 2
ReplyDelete[A correct understanding of the Greek text helps us here. The correct translation both here and in Matt 16:19 should be: "Whosoever sins you remit [forgive) shall have already been forgiven them, and whosoever sins you retain [do not forgive) shall have already not been forgiven them"]
IT MEANS THAT IF THE APOSTLES WILL NOT FORGIVE THE SINS THE SINS WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN BY GOD AND IF THEY FORGIVE GOD WILL FORGIVE THEM.
THAT IS VERY CLEAR. IF THEY LOOSE ON EARTH IT WILL BE LOOSEN IN HEAVEN AND IF THEY BIND HERE ON EARTH IT WILL BE BOUND IN HEAVEN. SIMPLE AND CLEAR.
AGAIN, THAT POWER WAS NOT GIVEN TO ALL CHRISTIANS. NOT EVEN TO MARY MOTHER OF JESUS OR TO JOSEPH HIS FOSTER FATHER. IT WAS NOT GIVEN TO JOHN THE BAPTIST ALSO. IT WAS GIVEN TO THE APOSTLES.
[In other words, the disciples did not provide forgiveness;]
WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT THEY PROVIDE FORGIVENESS. WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT WHEN THEY FORGIVE THE SINS GOD WILL FORGIVE THE SINS. SO, IT IS GOD FORGIVING ACTUALLY BUT THROUGH THE APOSTLES. IF THE APOSTLES REFUSED TO FORGIVE THEN THE SINS WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN.
[they proclaimed forgiveness on the basis of the message of the Gospel.]
IT IS NOT JUST PROCLAIMING. GOD WILL FORGIVE THE SINS OF THE PEOPLE THROUGH THE APOSTLES AND IT IS THE APOSTLES WHO WILL DECIDE ON EARTH IF THE SINS ARE FORGIVEN OR NOT. THEIR DECISION IS VALID NOT ONLY ON EARTH BUT ALSO IN HEAVEN.
[Another Greek scholar, Dr. Kenneth Wuest, translates it "they have been previously forgiven them."]
HA, HA, HA... THAT IS STUPID. IF THEY ARE ALREADY PREVIOUSLY FORGIVEN IT IS STUPID TO FORGIVE THEM AGAIN. IF THAT IS THE INTERPRETATION IT WILL APPEAR THAT JESUS IS MAKING A MOCKERY OUT OF THE APOSTLES. YOU WILL FORGIVE THOSE WHO ARE ALREADY FORGIVEN... HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE ONLY PROVIDING AN ALIBI BECAUSE THE TEXT DOES NOT SUIT THE INVENTED DOCTRINES OF YOUR FAITH. HA, HA, HA... I DON'T CALL THAT SCHOLARSHIP. THAT IS TWISTING THE TEXT IN ORDER TO BEND TO YOUR DOCTRINES.
ANSWER TO JEFF ASPACIO 3
ReplyDelete[As the early believers went forth into the world, they announced the good news of salvation.]
THE EARLY BELIEVERS STAYED IN THEIR HOMES AND LIVED CHRISTIAN LIVES IN THEIR OWN SOCIETY. THOSE WHO WERE COMMISSIONED TO GO TO THE WORLD AND TO PROCLAIM ARE THE APOSTLES. THAT IS THE REASON WHY THE EARLY HISTORY OF THE CHURCH IS CALLED "ACTS OF THE APOSTLES" NOT "ACTS OF THE BELIEVERS". HA, HA, HA...
[If sinners would repent and believe on Jesus Christ, their sins would be forgiven them!]
NOT AUTOMATICALLY. THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE APOSTLES WHO WILL FORGIVE THEM IN THE NAME OF CHRIST. JESUS GAVE A CONDITION FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN.. THAT IS THE APOSTLES MUST DECLARE THAT THEY ARE FORGIVEN OTHERWISE THEY ARE NOT FORGIVEN IN HEAVEN. DON'T CHANGE THE MEANING OF THE TEXT.
["Who can forgive sins but God only?" (Mark 2:7)]
THAT IS THE STATEMENT OF THE ENEMIES OF CHRIST. YOUR POSITION IS ANTI-CHRIST. ARE YOU NOT ASHAMED OF THAT QUOTE? HERE IT IS:
Mark 2:6-7 "But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?"
HA, HA, HA... IN YOUR EFFORT TO OPPOSE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH YOU HAVE CIDED WITH THE SCRIBES. THAT IS WHY LUTHER HAS LED YOU TO HERESIES BECAUSE OF HIS INVENTED DOCTRINES.
[U that the Christian can do is announce the message of forgiveness; God performs the miracle of forgiveness.]
JESUS DIDN'T SAY JUST ANNOUNCE. HE GAVE THEM THE MISSION TO ANNOUNCE AND HE GAVE THEM THE AUTHORITY TO FORGIVE SINS. GOD IS THE ONE FORGIVING BUT THROUGH THE APOSTLES. BEING AN APOSTLE IS NOT MERELY AN "ANNOUNCER"... THEY ARE NOT MEDIA PRACTITIONERS. HA, HA, HA... THEY ARE MINISTERS OF CHRIST TO SHEPHERD THE FLOCK AND TO FORGIVE THEIR SINS BY THE AUTHORITY GIVEN BY JESUS.
[If sinners will, believe on Jesus Christ, we can authoritatively declare to them that their sins have been forgiven; but we are not the ones who provide the forgiveness.]
IF SINNERS WILL BELIEVE JESUS THEN THEY MUST GO TO THE APOSTLES SO THAT THEIR SINS MUST BE FORGIVEN. THAT IS WHAT JESUS HAD GIVEN US. IF THE APOSTLES WILL NOT FORGIVE THEM JESUS WILL NOT FORGIVE THEM ALSO. GOD PROVIDES THE FORGIVENESS BUT HE WILL DO SO ONLY THROUGH THE APOSTLES.
YOUR RELIGION REMOVED THE POWER OF THE APOSTLES TO FORGIVE SINS. YOU HAVE VIOLATED THE AUTHORITY GIVEN PERSONALLY BY JESUS.
[We cannot take a single passage of Scripture and build a doctrine out of it without considering what the other parts of the Bible say about it.]
THE OTHER PARTS OF THE BIBLE AGREE WITH JOHN 20:21-22. IN FACT MATTHEW 16:18-19 AND MATTHEW 18:15-18. THE AUTHORITY OF THE APOSTLES IS WELL ESTABLISHED IN THE SCRIPTURES.
THE REASON WHY IT APPEARS DIFFERENT IN YOURS BECAUSE YOU FOLLOWED THE THEOLOGY OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES IN MARK 2:6-7. NATURALLY, YOUR POSITION IS IN CONTRADICTION WITH THAT OF JESUS. THE POWER TO FORGIVE SINS IS IN JESUS AND JESUS BEING THE LORD AND MESSIAH GAVE THE AUTHORITY OF FORGIVING SINS TO HIS APOSTLES. YOU CANNOT UNDO WHAT THE LORD HAD DECLARED... NOT WITH THE WORDS OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES, NOT WITH THE TEACHINGS OF LUTHER.
ANSWER TO JEFF ASPACIO 4
ReplyDeleteYou said...
"THE DOCTRINE OF PURGATORY OR OF CLEANSING OF SINS IS A BIBLICAL DOCTRINE."
I say...
[Where in the Bible does it say that?]
O, YOU WANT TO GO TO ANOTHER TOPIC WITHOUT FIRST FINISHING THE ONE ON FORGIVENESS OF SINS BY THE APOSTLES.
THIS IS ANOTHER TOPIC. LET US BETTER DISCUSS IT HERE:
http://thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com/2008/10/lord-jesus-in-heaven-with-angels-and.html
ANSWER TO JEFF ASPACIO 5
ReplyDeleteYou said...
THE INDULGENCES ARE NOT FOR SALE BECAUSE EVERY CATHOLIC CAN ACQUIRE THEM BY LIVING THEIR BIBLICAL FAITH:
* Adoration and Prayer to God
* Feeding the Hungry
* Giving drink to the thirsty
* Giving clothe to the naked
* Taking good care of the Sick
* Visiting the Prisoners
* Comforting the Sorrowful
[I say...
How does one have or receive this Biblical faith you are talking about?]
FAITH IS ESSENTIALLY A GIFT FROM GOD. BUT IN OUR PRACTICAL LIFE PEOPLE RECEIVES FAITH FIRST BY HEARING THE PREACHING OF OTHERS. THEREFORE FAITH ALSO COMES FROM THE GOOD WORKS OF THOSE WHO ARE ANNOUNCING THE GOOD NEWS.
[It is obvious that in practice, Catholicism teaches salvation by works (following traditions set by the church, good works that you have mentioned, etc.)]
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES THAT SALVATION IS BY FAITH AND GOOD WORKS. WE ARE NOT TEACHING THAT SALVATION IS BY GOOD WORKS ALONE. OUR OFFICIAL DOCTRINE SALVATION IS BY FAITH AND GOOD WORKS.
[when it is very clear in the Bible that SALVATION IS BY GOD'S GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN CHRIST.]
LIAR. YOUR OFFICIAL DOCTRINE IS SALVATION BY 'FAITH ALONE". THAT DOCTRINE IS SATANICALLY INVENTED BY LUTHER NEITHER BY JESUS NOR THE APOSTLES.
[Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5]
NONE OF THESE TEXTS TEACH "SALVATION BY FAITH ALONE". NONE. YOU ARE MAKING IT APPEAR AS IF YOUR DOCTRINE IS SALVATION BY FAITH. O NO, NO, NO... THE SATANIC TEACHING HANDED ON TO YOU BY LUTHER IS 'SOLA FIDE" - JUSTIFICATION BY FAITH ALONE... SALVATION BY FAITH ALONE. HE DID THAT BY ADDING ALONE IN THE BIBLICAL TEXT... IN THE EPSISTLE OF PAUL TO THE ROMANS.
[This truth did not originate form Luther but from the Bible.
THE BIBLE NEVER TAUGHT SOLA FIDE... THAT FAITH ALONE IS CONDEMNED SPECIFICALLY, DIRECTLY, EXPLICITLY, WORD FOR WORD BY THE BIBLE:
James 2:24 "You see, then, that it is by our actions that we are put right with God, and NOT BY OUR FAITH ALONE." [GNB]
THEN AS REGARDS THE WORKS:
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith apart from works is barren?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, in that he offered up Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Thou seest that faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect;
Jas 2:23 and the scripture was fulfilled which saith, And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness; and he was called the friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith.
Jas 2:25 And in like manner was not also Rahab the harlot justified by works, in that she received the messengers, and sent them out another way?
Jas 2:26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, even so faith apart from works is dead.
ABRAHAM AND RAHAB WERE JUSTIFIED BY WORKS. THUS, BOTH FAITH AND WORKS MUST GO HAND IN HAND BECAUSE FAITH IS DEAD WITHOUT WORKS. MAN IS JUSTIFIED NOT BY FAITH ALONE.
Dear Dark Crusader,
ReplyDeleteIf you want to learn how to respond to these anti-Catholics read my response to these Born Again and Baptists here in my Blog.
Yang mga nang-aaway sa inyo sa 100% Katolikong Pinoy ay sya ring naninira dito. wala akong time ngayon para tumulong sa Facebook. Ito ngang Blog na ito ay ubos oras na sa akin. Its time for you young guys to learn how to defend the faith. Huwag kayong paaapi na lang sa mga Demonyong yan. BAGONG IMBENTO LANG ANG RELIHIYON NG MGA YAN. KAYA WAG NYONG KATAKUTAN.
yes father, we will pray and fight for truth and defend the cross of Jesus Christ, we'll pray for you father na bigyan kpa nya ng talino at sapat na lakas pra gabayan kmi at bigyan kmi ng inspiration how to fight for truth and defend the church..
ReplyDeletehindi po kmi matatakot, sasamahan po nmin kyo sa katotohanan at sa pagtatangol sa inang simbahan..
salamat po sa pag gabay at pagbibigay inspirasyon..
god bless you father Abe..
see you soon po..
Thank you so Bro. Kenneth. May the Lord bless you.
ReplyDelete[I am the Anonymous in June 29;]
ReplyDeleteWHO ARE YOU? WHY ARE YOU SO AFRAID TO REVEAL YOURSELF?
[So you are telling that those verses you gave are contradicting the verses i've given to you..?]
IT SHOWS THAT YOUR USE AND INTERPRETATIONS OF THE VERSES YOU'VE USED ARE WRONG AND MISLEADING. YOU FAILED TO SEE THAT GOD ORDERED THAT STATUES AND IMAGES BE PUT INSIDE HIS TEMPLE. THOSE ARE THE VERSES ON WHICH WE BASED OUR PRACTICE OF MAKING SACRED IMAGES INSDIE OUR HOUSES OF WORSHIPS.
[Answer the question that "Why did you remove the real second commandment of God from exodus 20?"]
WE DIDN'T REMOVE. OUR BIBLE DIDN'T REMOVE ANY VERSE FROM THE BIBLE. ON THE CONTRARY THE BORN AGAIN, THE PROTESTANTS AND THE BAPTISTS SATANICALLY REMOVED THE 7 BOOKS OF THE DEUTEROCANONICALS FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT.
THE LIST OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS IN EXODUS AND IN DEUTERONOMY IS COMPLETE... NOTHING WAS REMOVED FROM THOSE VERSES.
[And can you explain this verse?]
OF COURSE. LET ME CHECK ON IT.
This is a verse from Isaiah 44
9 How FOOLISH are those who MANUFACTURE IDOLS.
These prized objects are really worthless.
The people who worship idols don’t know this,
so they are all put to shame.
10 Who but a fool would make his own god—
an idol that cannot help him one bit?
11 All who worship idols will be disgraced
along with all these craftsmen—mere humans—
who claim they can make a god.
They may all stand together,
but they will stand in terror and shame.
SIMPLE. ONCE AGAIN YOU DIABOLICALLY APPLIED THE TERM IDOLS TO OUR IMAGES WHICH ARE NOT IMAGES OF IDOLS.
OUR IMAGES ARE IMAGES OF ANGELS AND SAINTS, OF JESUS AND THE APOSTLES, OF MARY AND JOSEPH. IT IS NOWHERE STATED IN THESE PASSAGES THAT WE SHOULD NOT MAKE IMAGES OF JESUS, MARY, JOSEPH AND THE ANGELS AND SAINTS. NOTHING. WHAT IS PROHIBITED ARE THE IMAGES OF IDOLS. WE DON'T HAVE IDOLS.
12 The blacksmith stands at his forge to make a sharp tool,
ReplyDeletepounding and shaping it with all his might.
His work makes him hungry and weak.
It makes him thirsty and faint.
13 Then the wood-carver measures a block of wood
and draws a pattern on it.
He works with chisel and plane
and carves it into a human figure.
He gives it human beauty
and puts it in a little shrine.
14 He cuts down cedars;
he selects the cypress and the oak;
he plants the pine in the forest
to be nourished by the rain.
15 Then he uses part of the wood to make a fire.
With it he warms himself and bakes his bread.
Then—yes, it’s true—he takes the rest of it
and makes himself a god to worship!
He makes an idol
and bows down in front of it!
16 He burns part of the tree to roast his meat
and to keep himself warm.
He says, “Ah, that fire feels good.”
17 Then he takes what’s left
and makes his god: a carved idol!
He falls down in front of it,
worshiping and praying to it.
“Rescue me!” he says.
“You are my god!”
WE NEVER SAY TO THE IMAGES THAT 'YOU ARE MY GOD'. SO IT DOES NOT APPLY TO US CATHOLICS.
THE IMAGES IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD WERE MADE BY THE BEST CRAFTSMEN, ARTISTS, SCULPTORS, BLACKSMITHS, ETC. SO THESE ARTISTS ARE DOING GOOD IMAGES FOR GOD. THEY ARE THE MODELS OF OUR CATHOLIC ARTISANS OF RELIGIOUS ARTS.
[18 Such stupidity and ignorance!
ReplyDeleteTheir eyes are closed, and they cannot see.]
EXACTLY AS THE CATHOLIC TEACHES. WE NEVER TAUGHT THAT THE EYES OF IDOLS ARE OPEN AND THAT THEY CAN SEE. WHO TOLD YOU THAT WE ARE TEACHING SUCH?
[Their minds are shut, and they cannot think.]
WE KNOW THAT. THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE CATHOLICS DESTROYED THE TEMPLES OF DIANA, HERA, JUPITER, NEPTUNE, ETC. IN GREECE AND ROME. WE CATHOLICS WERE THE ONE WHO DESTROYED THEM NOT THE BAPTISTS AND THE BORN AGAIN.
WE ALSO DESTROYED THE TEMPLES OF ISIS, HORUS, ETC. IN EGYPT. WE ALSO DID THAT TO THE INCAS AND THE AZTECS. WE KILLED THEIR SORCERERS AND DIVINERS AND DESTROYED THEIR TEMPLES. WE ARE THE ONE WHO DID IT NOT THE BAPTISTS AND THE BORN AGAIN.
YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING TO DESTROY THE REAL IDOLS IN THE HISTORY OF CIVILIZATION. WHAT YOU ARE DESTROYING ARE THE SACRED IMAGES IN THE CHRISTIAN TEMPLES.
[19 The person who made the idol never stops to reflect,
“Why, it’s just a block of wood!
I burned half of it for heat
and used it to bake my bread and roast my meat.
How can the rest of it be a god?
Should I bow down to worship a piece of wood?”]
WE DO NOT BOW TO IDOLS. WE BOW BEFORE THE ALTAR OF GOD ADORNED WITH SACRED IMAGES AS IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD AND THE HOLY OF HOLIES.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IT IS YOU AND YOUR DIABOLICAL KIND WHO DESTROYED THE ALTARS, SANCTUARIES AND TABERNABLES OF GOD.
[20 The poor, deluded fool feeds on ashes.
He trusts something that can’t help him at all.
Yet he cannot bring himself to ask,
“Is this idol that I’m holding in my hand a lie?”]
THE ARK OF THE COVENANT IS MADE OF WOOD AND COVERED WITH GOLD. BUT IT IS NOT EVIL. THE SATANIC IN YOUR TEACHING IS THAT EVERY IMAGE MADE OF WOOD IS BECOMING EVIL. YET YOU HAVE IMAGES OF YOUR PASTORS AND THEIR FAMILIES BEING SCATTERED AROUND. SPEAKING OF HYPOCRISY.
[And where can you find purgatory in the Bible..? verse please?]
ReplyDeleteWHERE CAN YOU FIND SOLA SCRIPTURA AND SOLA FIDE IN THE BIBLE? VERSE PLEASE? ONCE YOU HAVE GIVEN THEM I WILL GIVE YOU PURGATORY STRAIGHT FROM THE BIBLE.
[what's the purpose of Jesus dying on the cross if people can pray for the souls of those who already die to gain salvation?]
SIMPLE. ST. PAUL TOLD US TO PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER:
1 Tim 2:1 "I exhort therefore, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions, thanksgivings, be made for all men;"
NOW, ARE YOUR DEAD RELATIVES STILL HUMAN OR THEY TURNED INTO WILD ANIMALS? ON OUR PART, OUR DEPARTED ARE SPIRITUALLY ALIVE AS PROVEN IN THE BIBLE AND THEY ARE STILL HUMANS. THEY DIDN'T BECOME ANIMALS LIKE YOURS.
[Jeremiah 9:27 says "It is destined for man to die once and after that the judgment"]
IT SUPPORTS OUR POSITION THAT IN THE AFTER-LIFE THERE IS JUDGEMENT. THUS, THERE IS A PURIFICATION, THERE IS THE SAVING ACT OF GOD FOR THOSE WHO ARE BEING SAVED IN THE AFTER-LIFE.
IN YOUR DOCTRINE MAN IS DEAD AFTER DEATH. IF MAN IS TOTALLY DEAD AFTER DEATH THEN THERE WILL BE NO JUDGMENT. HOW CAN GOD JUDGE THOSE WHO ARE ALREADY DEAD.
THE BIBLE ON THE CONTRARY SPEAKS OF FORGIVENESS OF SINS EVEN IN THE AFTER-LIFE:
Mat 12:32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in that which is to come.
[and stop saying IDIOT to someone, you don't have the right to judge.]
AFTER DEMONIZING US AND ACCUSING US OF WORSHIPPING IDOLS YOU WANT US TO TREAT YOU LIKE HUMANS EH. IF YOU WANT TO BE RESPECTED LEARN TO RESPECT OTHERS.
YOU ARE THE ONES WORSHIPPING YOUR JIMMY SWAGGARTS, YOUR EDDIE VILLANUEVAS, YOUR BENNY HINN, YOUR ALMEDAS AND YOUR JOEL OSTEEN. WHEN YOU WORSHIP YOU ARE LIKE IN ROCK N ROLL CONCERTS LIKE THE DRUG ADDICTS AND THE SATANISTS.
And by the way sir, have you ever thought why God commanded Moses to do that? It's for God's glory and not for worshiping those things.
ReplyDeleteGod is a jealous God that He really hate idols, like what King Josiah did, He did what was pleasing in the Lord’s sight and followed the example of his ancestor David. He did not turn away from doing what was right
During the eighth year of his reign, while he was still young, Josiah began to seek the God of his ancestor David. Then in the twelfth year he began to purify Judah and Jerusalem, destroying all the pagan shrines, the Asherah poles, and the carved idols and cast images. He ordered that the altars of Baal be demolished and that the incense altars which stood above them be broken down. He also made sure that the Asherah poles, the carved idols, and the cast images were smashed and scattered over the graves of those who had sacrificed to them. He burned the bones of the pagan priests on their own altars, and so he purified Judah and Jerusalem
He did the same thing in the towns of Manasseh, Ephraim, and Simeon, even as far as Naphtali, and in the regions[a] all around them. 7 He destroyed the pagan altars and the Asherah poles, and he crushed the idols into dust. He cut down all the incense altars throughout the land of Israel
You will find it in 2Chronicles Chapter 34
[OUR IMAGES ARE IMAGES OF ANGELS AND SAINTS, OF JESUS AND THE APOSTLES, OF MARY AND JOSEPH. IT IS NOWHERE STATED IN THESE PASSAGES THAT WE SHOULD NOT MAKE IMAGES OF JESUS, MARY, JOSEPH AND THE ANGELS AND SAINTS. NOTHING. WHAT IS PROHIBITED ARE THE IMAGES OF IDOLS. WE DON'T HAVE IDOLS.]
ReplyDelete[WE DO NOT BOW TO IDOLS. WE BOW BEFORE THE ALTAR OF GOD ADORNED WITH SACRED IMAGES AS IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD AND THE HOLY OF HOLIES.]
-Oh really? “You must not make for yourself an IDOL of any kind or an IMAGES of anything in the HEAVENS or on the earth or in the sea. You must not bow down to them or worship them, for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God who will not tolerate your affection for any other gods. I lay the sins of the parents upon their children; the entire family is affected—even children in the third and fourth generations of those who reject me”
-Images of anything in the “HEAVENS” or on the “EARTH” in the sea. Did Paul lived in mars? He lived in earth, How about James? Did he lived in Jupiter? No, he lived in earth. How about Mary and Joseph? Where did they lived? They lived in EARTH! How about Jesus? He also lived in earth, and now He’s in Heaven and the other disciples, you shall not HAVE/MAKE AND IMAGES OF ANYTHING IN THE HEAVENS OR ON THE EARTH, YOU MUST NOT BOW DOWN TO THEM OR WORSHIP THEM FOR I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD AM A JEALOUS GOD! Telling Mary and Joseph as a part of HOLY FAMILY? HERESY! Where can you find in the Bible that Joseph and Mary is holy? Verse Please? As Romans 3:23 says All have sinned and fall short of God’s glory.
[WHERE CAN YOU FIND SOLA SCRIPTURA AND SOLA FIDE IN THE BIBLE? VERSE PLEASE? ONCE YOU HAVE GIVEN THEM I WILL GIVE YOU PURGATORY STRAIGHT FROM THE BIBLE.]
-Sola Scriptura isn't written in the Bible, it is a Greek word for scriptures alone, we believe in scriptures alone which is the Bible and not in any other book, even in Sola Fide, a Greek word for Faith Alone
“I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."
-Revelation 22:18-19
WE BELIEVE THAT THE BIBLE IS THE FINAL REVELATION OF GOD THAT WHY WE STAND IN SCRIPTURES ALONE
For it is by grace you have been saved, through FAITH and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast.
-Ephesians 2:8-9
WE BELIEVE THAT A MAN CAN BE SAVED THROUGH FAITH AND NOT BY WORKS SO NO ONE SHOULD BOAST
[WE DIDN'T REMOVE. OUR BIBLE DIDN'T REMOVE ANY VERSE FROM THE BIBLE.]
-and why there’s no 2nd real commandment on your stones of “The ten commandment”?
Which tells no to idols or any images of anything in heaven and on earth?
[ON THE OTHER HAND, IT IS YOU AND YOUR DIABOLICAL KIND WHO DESTROYED THE ALTARS, SANCTUARIES AND TABERNABLES OF GOD.]
ReplyDelete-King Josiah destroyed images Josiah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem thirty-one years. He did what was right in the eyes of the LORD and walked in the ways of his father David, not turning aside to the right or to the left.
In the eighth year of his reign, while he was still young, he began to seek the God of his father David. In his twelfth year he began to purge Judah and Jerusalem of high places, Asherah poles, carved idols and cast images. Under his direction the altars of the Baals were torn down; he cut to pieces the incense altars that were above them, and smashed the Asherah poles, the idols and the images. These he broke to pieces and scattered over the graves of those who had sacrificed to them. He burned the bones of the priests on their altars, and so he purged Judah and Jerusalem. In the towns of Manasseh, Ephraim and Simeon, as far as Naphtali, and in the ruins around them, he tore down the altars and the Asherah poles and crushed the idols to powder and cut to pieces all the incense altars throughout Israel. Then he went back to Jerusalem.
Read 2 Chronicles 34
[SIMPLE. ST. PAUL TOLD US TO PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER]
-It talks about you pray for the one who’s living and not the dead people
But the other criminal rebuked him. "Don't you fear God," he said, "since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong." Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom."
ReplyDelete-Luke 22:40-42
Now, Jesus didn't say there was a stop over on the way
Yeah only holy can enter the kingdom of God, just as we are told
“And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”
-Hebrews 10:10
"Purgatory" does not exist. In fact, "purgatory" is against the truth of Jesus Christ, because the truth of Jesus Christ is that JESUS paid for all our sins with His death on the cross and His shed blood. And nothing else pays for any of our sins, not works, not good deeds, not water baptism, not the unbiblical "purgatory". The false doctrine of "purgatory" is a denial of the free gift of salvation in Jesus!
Only JESUS gives us purification from our sins! NOTHING ELSE can purify us from our sins, that is against JESUS'S free gift of salvation!
The truth about death is that death brings IMMEDIATE heaven or hell, depending ONLY on whether you believed in Jesus for salvation, or not. There is no second chance to be saved, after death. Do you have a verse saying there’s a second chance to be saved?
[NOW, ARE YOUR DEAD RELATIVES STILL HUMAN OR THEY TURNED INTO WILD ANIMALS? ON OUR PART, OUR DEPARTED ARE SPIRITUALLY ALIVE AS PROVEN IN THE BIBLE AND THEY ARE STILL HUMANS. THEY DIDN'T BECOME ANIMALS LIKE YOURS.]
-Who told you we are believing in reincarnation? We are not!
[AFTER DEMONIZING US AND ACCUSING US OF WORSHIPPING IDOLS YOU WANT US TO TREAT YOU LIKE HUMANS EH. IF YOU WANT TO BE RESPECTED LEARN TO RESPECT OTHERS.]
ReplyDelete-Did I demonize you? I can’t remember. I am asking you some questions, I just have read some of your words to someone commented on your blog, I am respecting you! That’s why I am calling you sir.
[YOU ARE THE ONES WORSHIPPING YOUR JIMMY SWAGGARTS, YOUR EDDIE VILLANUEVAS, YOUR BENNY HINN, YOUR ALMEDAS AND YOUR JOEL OSTEEN. WHEN YOU WORSHIP YOU ARE LIKE IN ROCK N ROLL CONCERTS LIKE THE DRUG ADDICTS AND THE SATANISTS.]
-Who told you we’re worshiping them? We only worship the Father in Heaven.
But the other criminal rebuked him. "Don't you fear God," he said, "since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong." Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom."
ReplyDelete-Luke 22:40-42
Now, Jesus didn't say there was a stop over on the way
Yeah only holy can enter the kingdom of God, just as we are told
“And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”
-Hebrews 10:10
"Purgatory" does not exist. In fact, "purgatory" is against the truth of Jesus Christ, because the truth of Jesus Christ is that JESUS paid for all our sins with His death on the cross and His shed blood. And nothing else pays for any of our sins, not works, not good deeds, not water baptism, not the unbiblical "purgatory". The false doctrine of "purgatory" is a denial of the free gift of salvation in Jesus!
Only JESUS gives us purification from our sins! NOTHING ELSE can purify us from our sins, that is against JESUS'S free gift of salvation!
The truth about death is that death brings IMMEDIATE heaven or hell, depending ONLY on whether you believed in Jesus for salvation, or not. There is no second chance to be saved, after death. Do you have a verse saying there’s a second chance to be saved?
[NOW, ARE YOUR DEAD RELATIVES STILL HUMAN OR THEY TURNED INTO WILD ANIMALS? ON OUR PART, OUR DEPARTED ARE SPIRITUALLY ALIVE AS PROVEN IN THE BIBLE AND THEY ARE STILL HUMANS. THEY DIDN'T BECOME ANIMALS LIKE YOURS.]
-Who told you we are believing in reincarnation? We are not!
[AFTER DEMONIZING US AND ACCUSING US OF WORSHIPPING IDOLS YOU WANT US TO TREAT YOU LIKE HUMANS EH. IF YOU WANT TO BE RESPECTED LEARN TO RESPECT OTHERS.]
ReplyDelete-Did I demonize you? I can’t remember.
YES YOU DID. YOU ARE INSISTING THAT WE ARE WORSHIPPING THOSE IMAGES. SOMETHING THAT WE DENY AND WE NEVER DO.
I am asking you some questions, I just have read some of your words to someone commented on your blog, I am respecting you! That’s why I am calling you sir.
YOU ARE CALLING ME SIR BUT YOU ARE INSISTING THAT WE CATHOLICS ARE IDOLS WORSHIPPERS, FOR US THAT IS TANTAMOUNT TO CALLING US TO BE DEVIL-WORSHIPPERS. WE CATHOLICS DESTROYED THE PAGAN TEMPLES WHEN WE CONVERTED EUROPE. WE DO NOT WORSHIP IDOLS. OUR SACRED IMAGES ARE NOT IDOLS BUT IMAGES OF ANGELS, SAINTS AND OF THE BIBLICAL CHARACTERS.
BESIDES, IT IS OUR OFFICIAL DOCTRINE NOT TO WORSHIP THEM. YET YOU UNJUSTLY INSIST THAT WE ARE WORSHIPPING IDOLS.
[YOU ARE THE ONES WORSHIPPING YOUR JIMMY SWAGGARTS, YOUR EDDIE VILLANUEVAS, YOUR BENNY HINN, YOUR ALMEDAS AND YOUR JOEL OSTEEN. WHEN YOU WORSHIP YOU ARE LIKE IN ROCK N ROLL CONCERTS LIKE THE DRUG ADDICTS AND THE SATANISTS.]
-Who told you we’re worshiping them? We only worship the Father in Heaven.
O SEE. NOW YOU KNOW WHAT WE FEEL BEING ACCUSED AS SUCH. YOU SEE. WHEN YOU ARE WORSHIPPING THESE PASTORS ARE THE ONE IN FRONT OF YOU. YOU ARE OBEYING THE PASTORS COMMANDS TO RAISE YOUR HANDS, TO SWING YOUR HIPS, TO BURST INTO SONGS, TO SHOUTS YOUR ALLELUIAHS IN EXAGGERATED MANNERS, TO CLOSE YOUR EYES AND YOU ARE OBEYING HIS EVERY COMMANDS WITH TEARS ON YOUR EYES. WHAT IS THAT? THAT IS PERSONALITY CULT.
[And by the way sir, have you ever thought why God commanded Moses to do that? It's for God's glory and not for worshiping those things.]
ReplyDeleteDEFINITELY WE HAVE OUR IMAGES FOR GOD'S GLORY. THAT IS THE REASON WHY OUR CATHOLIC CHURCHES ARE ARTISTICALLY SUPERIOR THAN THOSE OF THE BORN AGAIN AND BAPTISTS WHOSE HOUSES OF WORSHIPS ARE LIKE BODEGAS OF ROTTEN FRUITS.
AND THAT IS ALSO THE REASON WHY WE CANNOT BE FAULTED FOR OUR IMAGES BECAUSE WE DO NOT WORSHIP THEM.
[God is a jealous God that He really hate idols,]
CATHOLICS ALSO HATE IDOLS THAT IS WHY WE DESTROYED THE PAGAN TEMPLES OF THE ROMAN AND GREEK AND EGYPTIAN GODS. AND WE REPLACED THEM WITH HOUSES OF WORSHIPS PROPER FOR THE TRUE BELIEVERS OF GOD.
GOD IS A JEALOUS GOD BUT HE IS NOT A STUPID GOD. HE IS NOT JEALOUS OF THE IMAGES OF HIS ANGELS AND SAINTS. HE HIMSELF ORDERED THAT IMAGES BE PUT INSIDE HIS HOLY OF HOLIES AND IN THE TEMPLE.
THE BORN AGAIN god IS NOT JUST A JEALOUS GOD. HE IS ALSO A STUPID god BECAUSE HE DOES NOT HATE IDOLS ALONE BUT ALSO THE SACRED IMAGES OF ANGELS, SAINTS...
[like what King Josiah did, He did what was pleasing in the Lord’s sight and followed the example of his ancestor David. He did not turn away from doing what was right]
JUST LIKE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DID. WE REMAINED FAITHFUL TO THE TEACHINGS OF THE TRUE GOD. WE DESTROYED IDOLS AND MADE IMAGES PROPER FOR THE TEMPLE OF GOD.
[During the eighth year of his reign, while he was still young, Josiah began to seek the God of his ancestor David. Then in the twelfth year he began to purify Judah and Jerusalem, destroying all the pagan shrines,]
EXACTLY AS WE DID IN ROME, IN ATHENS, IN BRITAIN AND IN SPAIN AND IN GAUL. WE DESTROYED THE PAGAN TEMPLES. WE BURNED THE WITCHES AND THE SORCERERS...
WHICH PAGAN TEMPLE DID THE BORN AGAIN DESTROYED? NONE EXCEPT CATHOLIC CHURCHES AND ALTARS.
[the Asherah poles,]
WHEN WE CONVERTED SYRIA, IRAN, IRAQ AND OTHER NEARBY CITIES TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH WE DESTROYED THE TEMPLES OF ASHERA. WE DEFEATED THE ZOROASTRIANS AND MITHRAISTS.
IT IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WHICH DESTROYED THE ASHERAHS DURING THE CHRISTIAN ERAS.
[and the carved idols and cast images.]
THE CARVED IDOLS AND CAST IMAGES WERE DESTROYED AND BURRIED BY THE CATHOLICS BUT THE ARCHEOLOGISTS ARE DIGGING THEM UP AND THE FEW REMAINING ARE NOW DISPLAYED IN THE MUSEUMS AS ARTISTIC GARBAGES FROM THE PAST.
[He ordered that the altars of Baal be demolished and that the incense altars which stood above them be broken down.]
EXACTLY AS WE DID TO THE PAGAN TEMPLES. BUT WE ARE USING INCENSE IN HONOR OF THE TRUE GOD BECAUSE GOD ORDERED THAT INCENSE BE LIGHTED FOR HIS GLORY IN THE TEMPLE.
[He also made sure that the Asherah poles, the carved idols, and the cast images were smashed and scattered over the graves of those who had sacrificed to them.]
EXACTLY AS WE DID IN THE MIDDLE EAST BEFORE THE COMING OF ISLAM. THAT IS ALSO WHAT WE DID TO DRUIDISM.
[He burned the bones of the pagan priests on their own altars, and so he purified Judah and Jerusalem]
YES, WE KILLED THE WITHCHES, THE SORCERERS AND THE DIVINERS OF EUROPE TO PURIFY THE LAND. WE CALLED IT HOLY INQUISITION.
[He did the same thing in the towns of Manasseh, Ephraim, and Simeon, even as far as Naphtali, and in the regions[a] all around them. 7 He destroyed the pagan altars and the Asherah poles, and he crushed the idols into dust. He cut down all the incense altars throughout the land of Israel]
WE CATHOLICS DID THE SAME THING IN EUROPE AND ALL OVER THE WORLD. HERE IN THE PHILIPPINES WE ARE THE ONES WHO DESTROYED THE PAGAN IDOLS OF OUR ANCESTORS NOT THE BORN AGAIN.
[You will find it in 2Chronicles Chapter 34]
YOU WILL FIND IT IN THE HISTORY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
[OUR IMAGES ARE IMAGES OF ANGELS AND SAINTS, OF JESUS AND THE APOSTLES, OF MARY AND JOSEPH. IT IS NOWHERE STATED IN THESE PASSAGES THAT WE SHOULD NOT MAKE IMAGES OF JESUS, MARY, JOSEPH AND THE ANGELS AND SAINTS. NOTHING. WHAT IS PROHIBITED ARE THE IMAGES OF IDOLS. WE DON'T HAVE IDOLS.]
ReplyDelete[WE DO NOT BOW TO IDOLS. WE BOW BEFORE THE ALTAR OF GOD ADORNED WITH SACRED IMAGES AS IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD AND THE HOLY OF HOLIES.]
[-Oh really?]
REALLY.
[“You must not make for yourself an IDOL of any kind or an IMAGES of anything in the HEAVENS or on the earth or in the sea. You must not bow down to them or worship them, for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God who will not tolerate your affection for any other gods. I lay the sins of the parents upon their children; the entire family is affected—even children in the third and fourth generations of those who reject me”
YOU ARE AN IDIOT. IT IS STATED "IDOLS". THE ANGELS AND SAITNS ARE NOT IDOLS. THEY ARE ANGELS AND SAINTS. THE IMAGE OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN IN WASHINGTON IS NOT AN IDOL BUT AN IMAGE OF NATIONAL HERO. IF YOU WILL STUPIDLY EQUATE ALL IMAGES AS "IDOLS" THEN ALL AMERICAN BAPTISTS AND BORN AGAIN WILL GO TO HELL BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT DESTROYING THE STATUE IN THE CAPITOL.
THE PROBLEM WITH YOU IS THAT YOU STUPIDLY EQUATE OUR ANGELS AND SAINTS INTO IDOLS. NO, NO, NO... UNLESS YOU CAN SHOW FROM THE BIBLE THAT MARY, PETER AND PAUL ARE IDOLS THEN YOUR VERSE DOES NOT APPLY AT ALL.
[-Images of anything in the “HEAVENS” or on the “EARTH” in the sea.]
ReplyDeleteSO IF YOU PAINT AN IMAGE OF A DUCK THEN YOU WILL GO TO HELL FOR THAT?
HOW COME THE BIBLE FOR CHILDREN OF THE PROTESTANTS AND BORN AGAIN AND BAPTISTS ARE FULL OF IMAGES?
HOW COME THERE ARE IMAGES OF PASTORS AND THEIR WIVES PRINTED IN THEIR BOOKS?
SPEAKING OF HYPOCRISY AS IF YOU DON'T HAVE IMAGES OF THOSE FROM HEAVEN OR FROM EARTH.
[Did Paul lived in mars?]
ONLY AN IDIOT WILL CLAIM THAT PAUL IS AN IDOL.
[He lived in earth, How about James?]
ONLY FOOLS WILL CLAIM THAT JAMES IS AN IDOL.
[Did he lived in Jupiter? No, he lived in earth.]
HA, HA, HA... YES AND SO ARE YOU. DON'T YOU HAVE IMAGES WITH YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS?
YOU SHALL GO TO HELL FOR YOUR POSITION BECAUSE YOU TOO ARE LIVING HERE ON EARTH WITH YOUR FAMILY AND YOU TOO HAVE IMAGES... DIGITAL OR OTHERWISE. HA, HA, HA...
[How about Mary and Joseph?]
ONLY THE FOLLOWERS OF SATAN WILL FOOLISHLY CLAIM THAT MARY AND JOSEPH ARE IDOLS. MARY IS THE HIGHLY FAVORED OF GOD [LUKE 1:28] AND JOSEPH IS A JUST MAN [MATTHEW 1:19].
DEFINITELY THEY ARE NOT IDOLS. THEY ARE MAN AND WOMAN OF GOD. THEIR IMAGES DOES NOT SUIT THE PROHIBITION ON IDOLS.
[Where did they lived? They lived in EARTH!]
I DIDN'T SAY THAT THEY ARE NOT LIVING ON EARTH SO YOUR ENNUMERATION OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR PLACE OF RESIDENCE IS PATHETIC. HA, HA, HA...
YOU HAVE TO PROVE FIRST THAT THEY ARE IDOLS BEFORE YOU CAN PROHIBIT THEIR IMAGES. MAKING IMAGES IS NOT PROHIBITED. WHAT IS PROHIBITED IS THE IMAGES OF IDOLS. I-D-O-L-S IF YOU ARE NOT BLIND.
[How about Jesus? He also lived in earth, and now He’s in Heaven and the other disciples, you shall not HAVE/MAKE AND IMAGES OF ANYTHING IN THE HEAVENS OR ON THE EARTH, YOU MUST NOT BOW DOWN TO THEM OR WORSHIP THEM FOR I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD AM A JEALOUS GOD!]
ONLY A FOOL WILL CLAIM THAT JESUS IS AN IDOL.
READ YOUR BIBLE CAREFULLY BECAUSE BOWING AND KNEELING ARE NOT EXCLUSIVE OF GOD BUT IT IS ALSO DONE TO PEOPLE AND SACRED THINGS.
THE PROHIBITION OF BOWING WAS REFERRED TO THE IMAGES OF IDOLS. AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT. WE DON'T HAVE IMAGE OF BAAL AND ASHERA.
[Telling Mary and Joseph as a part of HOLY FAMILY? HERESY!]
YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS A HERETIC. JESUS, MARY AND JOSEPH ARE FAMILY. JESUS IS HOLY, MARY IS A HIGHLY FAVORED OF GOD AND JOSEPH A JUST MAN. THEREFORE IT IS A HOLY FAMILY.
WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAYS THAT IT IS CONTRARY TO THE FAITH?
[Where can you find in the Bible that Joseph and Mary is holy? Verse Please?]
MARY IS HOLY BECAUSE SHE IS FULL OF GRACE. LUKE 1:28 REFERRED TO HER AS "KECHARITOMENE", THAT IS "GRATIA PLENA" IN LATIN. THAT IS FULL OF GRACE. IN YOUR BIBLE "HIGHLY FAVORED OF GOD". THE FAVOR OF GOD RESTS ON PEOPLE WHO ARE HOLY AND GOOD. NOT ON EVIL PEOPLE.
IF YOU ARE EVIL DON'T EQUATE MARY TO YOUR SINFULNESS AND YOUR EVILNESS. YOU AND YOUR MOTHER CAN GO TO HELL FOR YOUR SINS BUT THE MOTHER OF JESUS IS CHOSEN BY GOD AND IS FILLED WITH GOD'S GRACE.
JOSEPH IS A JUST MAN... [MATTHEW 1:19 KING JAMES VERSION]. IN REVISED STANDARD VERSION IT IS TRANSLATED AS "A RIGHTEOUS PERSON".
[As Romans 3:23 says All have sinned and fall short of God’s glory.]
ST. PAUL IS REFERRING TO ALL SINNERS. SURELY THERE ARE EXEMPTIONS THERE. ENOCH AND ELIJAH ARE EXEMPTIONS. ABEL IS AN EXEMPTION FROM THAT. AS WELL AS MARY AND JOSEPH. IF MARY HAVE SINNED THEN THE FAVOR OF GOD WOULD HAVE DIMINISHED. JOSEPH IS A RIGHTEOUS MAN. HE IS NOT PART OF THOSE WHO ARE NOT SEEKING GOD OR THOSE WHO HAVE SINNED.
WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THAT ABEL, ENOCH, ELIJAH, MARY AND JOSEPH HAVE SINNED?
[-Sola Scriptura isn't written in the Bible, it is a Greek word for scriptures alone,]
ReplyDeleteHA, HA, HA... IDIOT. HA, HA, HA... YOU ONLY PROVED TO US THAT YOU ARE IGNORANT OF GREEK AND OF LATIN. HA, HA, HA...
LIAR, LIAR, LIAR.... HA, HA, HA...
SOLA SCRIPTURA IS NOT GREEK BUT LATIN. IT IS THE LATIN OF SCRIPTURES ALONE. HA, HA, HA... LIAR, LIAR, LIAR.
[we believe in scriptures alone which is the Bible and not in any other book, even in Sola Fide, a Greek word for Faith Alone]
HA, HA, HA... SOLA FIDE IS ALSO LATIN NOT GREEK. HA, HA, HA... HOW COME THE BORN AGAIN APOLOGISTS ARE BECOMING MORE AND MORE STUPID THESE DAYS.
[“I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."
-Revelation 22:18-19]
HA, HA, HA... THAT APPLIES TO YOU. YOU ADDED ALONE IN FAITH ALONE AND IN BIBLE ALONE. THAT IS SATANIC.
BOTH SOLA FIDE AND SOLA SCRIPTURA ARE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE WHETHER IN LATIN OR IN GREEK.
[WE BELIEVE THAT THE BIBLE IS THE FINAL REVELATION OF GOD THAT WHY WE STAND IN SCRIPTURES ALONE]
THAT IS STUPID. THE BIBLE DOES NOT TEACH SCRIPTURES ALONE. IF SCRIPTURES WANT TO TEACH SOLA SCRIPTURA THEN IT WOULD HAVE STATED IT PLAINLY, CLEARLY AND DIRECTLY. WORD FOR WORD. INSTEAD THE BIBLE IS SILENT ABOUT IT.
SOLA SCRIPTURA IS JUST A SATANIC INVENTION BY MARTIN LUTHER AND OF YOUR FELLOWS.
[For it is by grace you have been saved, through FAITH and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast.
-Ephesians 2:8-9]
IT DOES NOT SAY FAITH ALONE. SO DREAM ON. YOUR SOLA FIDE IS UNBIBLICAL AND SATANIC. INVENTED BY MEN. IT IS A TRADITION OF MEN.
[WE BELIEVE THAT A MAN CAN BE SAVED THROUGH FAITH AND NOT BY WORKS SO NO ONE SHOULD BOAST]
ReplyDeleteTHE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY FAITH ALONE. YOU SATANICALLY ADD "ALONE" TO THE FAITH. WE ARE NOT TEACHING THAT SALVATION IS BY WORKS AND WE DO NOT BOAST. INSTEAD, WE ARE TEACHING THAT SALVATION IS BY FAITH AND GOOD WORKS. THAT IS WORD FOR WORD SUPPORTED BY THE BIBLE.
[WE DIDN'T REMOVE. OUR BIBLE DIDN'T REMOVE ANY VERSE FROM THE BIBLE.]
[-and why there’s no 2nd real commandment on your stones of “The ten commandment”?]
OUR TEN COMMANDMENTS ARE WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE. THE ONE ON THE STONES IS A SYNTHESIZED VERSION. IT SO HAPPENED THAT YOU ARE IGNORANT OF THAT BASIC FACT. WHY DON'T YOU OPEN THE CATHOLIC BIBLES AND SEE THE CHAPTERS AND VERSES FROM EXODUS AND DEUTERONOMY IF THEY ARE COMPLETE OR NOT.
[Which tells no to idols or any images of anything in heaven and on earth?]
DON'T BE HYPOCRITES I HAVE A LOT OF BAPTISTS AND BORN AGAIN FRIENDS THEY HAVE IMAGES IN THEIR HOUSES. THEY HAVE IMAGES OF THEIR PASTORS AND MINISTERS. YOU WILL GO TO HELL FOR YOUR LIES AND FOR EVERY IMAGES THAT YOU'VE MADE OF YOUR FACE.
ON OUR PART, WE KNOW THAT WHAT IS PROHIBITED ARE IMAGES OF IDOLS. WE DO NOT HAVE THEM AND THEREFORE THE PROHIBITION DOES NOT APPLY TO US.
Ung Anonymous na kausap nang pari na to. wag ka na magaksaya nang oras jan. Mahina ang utak.
ReplyDeleteMister Abe, Hindi ko alam kung saan mo nalaman na hindi nagkasala ang mga taong binanggit mo. Alam mo ba ang ibig sabihin nang holy? Holy is pure! Sinless! Flawless! Perpekto! Walang bahid nang kahit anong kasalanan! Si Hesus lang yon at walang iba!
“Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man[adam], and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned” Romans 5:12
"I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God's law; but I see another law at work in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within my members. What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death? Thanks be to God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin."
Romans 7:15-25
Romans 6:12-23
Galatians 5:19-21
Colossians 3:5-6
Hebrews 12:3-4
James 1:13-15
1 John 1:7-9
"What then? Are we better than they? Not at ALL; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; 10as it is written, "There is none righteous, not even one."
ReplyDeleteRomans 3:9-10
"They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one."
-Psalm 14:3
All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath.
Ephesians 2:3
“I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"
-Galatians 2:21
Lahat ay makasalanan at walang karapatdapat sa paningin ng Panginoon!
Lahat ng tao! Makasalanan sa isip sa salita at sa gawa! Hindi ba tao ang mga pinagbabanggit mo? MARY, JOSEPH, ENOCH & ELIJAH.
“By FAITH Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death; he could not be found, because God had taken him away. For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. And WITHOUT FAITH it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.”
-Hebrews 11:5-6
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast.”
-Ephesians 2:8-9
[Ung Anonymous na kausap nang pari na to. wag ka na magaksaya nang oras jan. Mahina ang utak.]
ReplyDeleteMAS MAHINA ANG UTAK MO.
[Mister Abe, Hindi ko alam kung saan mo nalaman na hindi nagkasala ang mga taong binanggit mo.]
SINONG DEMONIO ANG NAGSABI SAYO NA NAGKASALA SILA? SAAN SA BIBLIA NAKASULAT NA NAGKASALA SILA. DAHIL WALANG BINABANGGIT SA MGA TALATANG BINASA MO NA NAGKASALA SILA.
[Alam mo ba ang ibig sabihin nang holy? Holy is pure! Sinless! Flawless! Perpekto!]
TANGA. ANG IBIG SABIHIN NG HOLY AY BANAL. BEING HOLY DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT IS PERFECT. GOD IS HOLY AND PERFECT. MAY MGA TAO AT BAGAY NA HOLY PERO HINDI PERFECT. PURE... PURE FROM WHAT? FROM SIN. SINLESS YES KASI NILINIS SILA NG DIOS.
Walang bahid nang kahit anong kasalanan! Si Hesus lang yon at walang iba!]
MALALA ANG KATANGAHAN NG ISANG ITO. HA, HA, HA... NAGBABASA BA ITO NG BIBLIA. HA, HA, HA... DIOS LANG BA ANG HOLY? MAY MGA TAO AT BAGAY NA PINABANAL NG DIOS. E ITO ANG PATUTUO NG BIBLIA:
Exo 3:5 And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is HOLY GROUND. [Si Cristo ba ang holy ground? HA, HA, HA...]
Exo 12:16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you. [ANO YAN? HOLY CONVOCATION OR HOLY GATHERING. THE EVENT IS HOLY. HA, HA, HA... SI CRISTO BA YANG CONVOCATION NA YAN?]
Exo 15:13 Thou in thy mercy hast led forth the people which thou hast redeemed: thou hast guided them in thy strength unto thy HOLY HABITATION. [SI CRISTO BA ANG HOLY HABITATION NA YAN?]
Exo 16:23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the HOLY SABBATH unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
Exo 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an HOLY NATION. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. [BANAL DAW ANG BANSANG ISRAEL. HA, HA, HA... PERFECT BA ANG ISRAEL? HA, HA, HA...
Exo 22:31 And ye shall be HOLY MEN unto me: neither shall ye eat any flesh that is torn of beasts in the field; ye shall cast it to the dogs. [HA, HA, HA... AYAN HOLY MEN DAW. SI CRISTO BA YAN? HA, HA, HA...]
NAKU, NAGKAKALAT NG KASINUNGALINGAN. HA, HA, HA...
[ON THE OTHER HAND, IT IS YOU AND YOUR DIABOLICAL KIND WHO DESTROYED THE ALTARS, SANCTUARIES AND TABERNABLES OF GOD.]
ReplyDelete-King Josiah destroyed images Josiah was eight years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem thirty-one years. He did what was right in the eyes of the LORD and walked in the ways of his father David, not turning aside to the right or to the left.
In the eighth year of his reign, while he was still young, he began to seek the God of his father David. In his twelfth year he began to purge Judah and Jerusalem of high places, Asherah poles, carved idols and cast images. Under his direction the altars of the Baals were torn down; he cut to pieces the incense altars that were above them, and smashed the Asherah poles, the idols and the images. These he broke to pieces and scattered over the graves of those who had sacrificed to them. He burned the bones of the priests on their altars, and so he purged Judah and Jerusalem. In the towns of Manasseh, Ephraim and Simeon, as far as Naphtali, and in the ruins around them, he tore down the altars and the Asherah poles and crushed the idols to powder and cut to pieces all the incense altars throughout Israel. Then he went back to Jerusalem.
Read 2 Chronicles 34
ANG SINIRA NI KING JOSHIA AY HINDI ANG TEMPLO NG DIOS NA MAY MGA REBULTO NA YARI SA KAHOY AT GINTO. HINDI RIN ANG CATHOLIC CHURCHES. KUNDI TEMPLO NG MGA PAGANO. GANYAN ANG GINAWA NAMIN SA MGA PAGANO. KAYA NALAGAS SILA SA EUROPE.
ANG GINAGAWA NYONG KARUMAL DUMAL NA PAGSIRA SA MGA SANCTUARIO NG DIOS NA GINAWA NG MGA CATOLICO AY NAKASAAD DITO:
Psa 74:3 Lift up thy feet unto the perpetual desolations; even all that the enemy hath done wickedly in THE SANCTUARY.
Psa 74:4 Thine enemies roar in the midst of thy congregations; they set up their ensigns for signs.
Psa 74:5 A man was famous according as he had lifted up axes upon the thick trees.
Psa 74:6 But now they break down THE CARVED WORK thereof at once with axes and hammers.
Psa 74:7 They have cast fire into thy SANCTUARY, they have defiled by casting down the dwelling place of thy name to the ground.
Psa 74:8 They said in their hearts, Let us destroy them together: they have burned up all the synagogues of God in the land.
SINO ANG NAGWASAK NG MGA SANCTUARIES NG CATHOLIC CHURCH AT NG AMING MGA ALTAR SA SANCTUARIO? KAYO. SINO ANG BUMASAG SA MGA GAWANG INANYUAN SA AMING MGA SANCTUARIO AT BAHAY DALANGINAN? KAYO RIN. KASUMPA SUMPA SA DIOS ANG INYONG GINAWA:
Psa 74:6 At ngayo'y lahat ng GAWANG INANYUAN doon. Kanilang pinagputolputol ng palakol at ng mga pamukpok
MGA TRAIDOR SA SANTUARIO NG DIOS.
[SIMPLE. ST. PAUL TOLD US TO PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER]
ReplyDelete-It talks about you pray for the one who’s living and not the dead people
PAUL DIDN'T SAY THAT IT IS ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE LIVING ON EARTH. IT IS FOR ALL PEOPLE OF GOD.
FOR GOD EVERY PERSON IS ALIVE BECAUSE HE IS THE GOD OF THE LIVING NOT OF THE DEAD. FOR HIM ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB ARE ALIVE.
THE SOULS OF THOSE WHO DIED ON EARTH ARE ALIVE IN THE AFTER LIFE WHETHER IN HEAVEN OR IN HELL:
Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
AS YOU CAN SEE UNLESS YOU ARE BLIND THE BEGGAR AND THE RICH MAN DIED BUT THEY ARE ALIVE IN THE AFTER LIFE ONE IS WITH ABRAHAM WHILE THE OTHER IN FIRE OF SUFFERING. THEY ARE ALIVE.
WELL, THE SOULS OF THE BORN AGAIN ARE STILL DEAD. IT MEANS THEY ARE ALL DENIED OF SALVATION. WHILE ABRAHAM IS ALIVE LIKE THE CATHOLICS WHO HAVE DIED.
But the other criminal rebuked him. "Don't you fear God," he said, "since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong." Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom."
ReplyDelete-Luke 22:40-42
[Now, Jesus didn't say there was a stop over on the way]
AND JESUS ALSO DIDN'T SAY THAT THERE IS NO STOP OVER. BESIDES, PURGATORY IS NOT A STOP OVER. WHO IS THE DEMON WHO TOLD YOU THAT PURGATORY IS A STOP OVER. WE SIMPLY STATES THAT THE SOULS WHO ARE NOT WORTHY OF HEAVEN BECAUSE OF UNFORGIVEN SINS THEY WILL BE CLEANSED FIRST OF THOSE SINS BEFORE THEY CAN ENTER HEAVEN. IT IS NOT A STOP OVER. IT IS PURICATION FROM SIN.
[Yeah only holy can enter the kingdom of God, just as we are told
ReplyDelete“And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”
-Hebrews 10:10]
THERE IS NO NEED FOR THE THIEF ON THE CROSS TO BE CLEANSED IN PURGATORY BECAUSE HE SUFFERED ALREADY HERE ON EARTH. AND BESIDES HE WAS FORGIVEN BY THE LORD JESUS HIMSELF WHILE THEY WERE HANGING ON THE CROSS.
["Purgatory" does not exist.]
PURGATORY EXISTS.
[In fact, "purgatory" is against the truth of Jesus Christ, because the truth of Jesus Christ is that JESUS paid for all our sins with His death on the cross and His shed blood.]
YOU ARE DISTORTING THE SCRIPTURES. NOT BECAUSE JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS THEN ALL WILL BE SAVED. IN FACT THE LORD JESUS SAID THAT AT HIS SECOND COMING HE WILL SEPARATE THE SHEEP AND THE GOATS:
Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
THE LORD JESUS DIDN'T SAY: "OK, ALL OF YOU ARE SAVED BECAUSE I DIED FOR YOU AND I PAID FOR YOUR SINS." NO, NO, NO... JESUS SAID: "WHEN I WAS HUNGRY YOU GAVE ME TO EAT... WHEN I WAS THIRSTY YOU GAVE ME TO DRINK..."
JESUS JUDGED THE FAITH AND GOOD WORKS OF THE PEOPLE. THOSE WHO LIVED THE FAITH AND DID GOOD WORKS WERE SAVED. THOSE WHO DIDN'T LIVE THE FAITH AND HAVE DONE EVIL WERE PUNISHED.
[And nothing else pays for any of our sins, not works, not good deeds, not water baptism, not the unbiblical "purgatory".]
THAT IS SATANIC. YOUR DOCTRINE IS SATANIC. BECAUSE THE LORD JESUS NEVER REJECTED GOOD DEEDS:
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. [ONLY THOSE WHO "DO" THE WILL OF THE FATHER]
AS REGARDS WATER BAPTISM:
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[The false doctrine of "purgatory" is a denial of the free gift of salvation in Jesus!]
JESUS NEVER TAUGHT THAT BECAUSE HE DIED FOR US THEN WE MUST NOT DO GOOD. THAT IS SATANIC. WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TAUGHT YOU THAT? JESUS NEVER TAUGHT THAT. DOING GOOD AND BAPTISM ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR SALVATION. INFACT, THOSE REQUIREMENTS CAME FROM THE MOUTH OF JESUS, NOT OF PAUL.
YOUR SALVATION BY FAITH IS SIMPLY YOUR WRONG INTERPRETATION OF PAUL.
OUR GOD IS JESUS NOT PAUL. YOU SEE YOU ARE DISTORTING THE GOSPEL OF JESUS IN FAVOR OF YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF PAUL. YOU ARE MAKING PAUL A 'YOUR GOD" RATHER THAN JESUS.
THE TRUE DOCTRINE OF SALVATION MUST COME FROM JESUS.
[Only JESUS gives us purification from our sins!]
ReplyDeleteTHAT IS OUR TEACHING. JESUS IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN PURIFY US FROM OUR SINS. HOWEVER, JESUS GAVE US BAPTISM, FORGIVENESS OF SINS THROUGH THE APOSTLES, REQUIREMENT OF DOING THE WILL OF GOD, ETC. IN ORDER TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
[NOTHING ELSE can purify us from our sins,]
ONLY JESUS CAN PURIFIY US FROM OUR SINS BUT JESUS GAVE US SOME THINGS THAT CAN PURIFY US FROM OUR SINS. YOU ARE REJECTING WHAT JESUS HAD GIVEN OR HAD DEMANDED FROM HIS PEOPLE.
[that is against JESUS'S free gift of salvation!]
THAT IS NOT AGAINST JESUS' FREE GIFT OF SALVATION BECAUSE IT IS JESUS THAT STATED THAT "THOSE WHO DO THE WILL OF THE FATHER WILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN". THAT IS NOT MY TEACHING THAT IS THE TEACHING OF JESUS. WORD FOR WORD.
BUT JESUS NEVER STATED THAT GOOD WORKS IS NOT NECESSARY FOR SALVATION. CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE.
JESUS NEVER TAUGHT THAT BAPTISM IS NOT NECESSARY FOR SALVATION. CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE.
[The truth about death is that death brings IMMEDIATE heaven or hell,]
WHERE IS THAT IN SCRIPTURE THAT DEATH BRINGS IMMEDIATE HEAVEN AND HELL. IT IS STATED THAT THERE IS STILL A FINAL JUDGMENT THAT WILL TKE TIME. IT WILL HAPPEN AT THE END OF THE WORLD. SO THERE ARE JUDGMENT THAT WILL ONLY BE DEFINITEVELY HANDED AT THE END OF THE WORLD.
[depending ONLY on whether you believed in Jesus for salvation, or not.]
FAITH ALONE IS NOT IN THE BIBLE. IT IS A SATANIC DOCTRINE INVENTED BY MARTIN LUTHER. IT IS CONTRARY TO THE BIBLE. IT IS REJECTED ACTUALLY BY THE BIBLE. WORD FOR WORD.
[There is no second chance to be saved, after death.]
THERE IS BECAUSE THERE IS STILL A FINAL JUDGMENT.
[Do you have a verse saying there’s a second chance to be saved?]
WE ARE NOT CALLING IT SECOND CHANCE. WE CALL IT "FINAL JUDGMENT". THERE IS AN IMMEDIATE JUDGEMENT AND THERE IS ANOTHER JUDGMENT THAT WILL COME LATER CALLED "FINAL JUDGMENT"
[NOW, ARE YOUR DEAD RELATIVES STILL HUMAN OR THEY TURNED INTO WILD ANIMALS? ON OUR PART, OUR DEPARTED ARE SPIRITUALLY ALIVE AS PROVEN IN THE BIBLE AND THEY ARE STILL HUMANS. THEY DIDN'T BECOME ANIMALS LIKE YOURS.]
-Who told you we are believing in reincarnation? We are not!
I AM NOT SAYING THAT YOU ARE BELIEVING IN REINCARNATION. I AM SIMPLY MAKING A MOCKERY OF YOUR DOCTRINE THAT YOUR DEAD ARE NO LONGER ALIVE IN CHRIST BUT TOTALLY DEAD. THEY ARE LIKE DEAD ANIMALS.
["What then? Are we better than they? Not at ALL; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; 10as it is written, "There is none righteous, not even one."
ReplyDeleteRomans 3:9-10]
HA, HA, HA... SO THERE IS NO ONE RIGHTEOUS EH. YOU HAVE GIVEN THAT AN ABSOLUTE MEANING. HERE ARE THE RIGHTEOUS:
Mat 1:19 And Joseph her husband, being a RIGHTEOUS MAN... [HA, HA, HA... JOSEPH IS RIGHTEOUS]
Gen 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen RIGHTEOUS before me in this generation. [NOAH IS RIGHTEOUS BEFORE GOD BUT NOT BEFORE THE BORN AGAIN. IT MEANS THAT THE JUDGMENT OF THE BORN AGAIN IS SATANIC. CONTRARY TO THE JUDGMENT OF GOD]
Dan 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
(13:1) There dwelt a man in Babylon, called Joacim:
(13:2) And he took a wife, whose name was Susanna, the daughter of Chelcias, a very fair woman, and one that feared the Lord.
(13:3) Her parents also were righteous, and taught their daughter according to the law of Moses.
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of RIGHTEOUS ABEL unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. [ABEL IS RIGHTEOUS]
Luk 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless. [ZECHARIAH AND ELIZABETH WERE RIGHTEOUS BEFORE GOD]
Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. [REFERENCE TO ELIJAH AS A RIGHTEOUS MAN]
hi Father Abe!!! good apologetics work!! hehe!! but i do hope you speak with a little charity to our "separated brethren" outside the Church. hehe!!!! You go father!!! Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus!!!!
ReplyDeleteHi abe, just want to comment here, some of your answers are out of context, i pity all catholic.
ReplyDelete[Hi abe, just want to comment here, some of your answers are out of context, i pity all catholic.]
ReplyDeleteYOU ARE PATHETIC. THE REASON WHY YOU AND YOUR KIND PREFER TO STAY ANONYMOUS BECAUSE YOU CANNOT GIVE ANY IOTA OF BIBLICAL SUPPORT FOR YOUR DOCTRINES AND PRACTICES. I'VE NOTICED THAT THE BORN AGAINST AND THE BAPTISTS ARE BECOMING TOO COWARDLY THESE DAYS.
Nakaka-disappoint naman ang pari na to, bakit ka po nagsasabi nang "TANGA" sa ibang tao? naku. ano kayang iisipin nang ibang kapatiran. nakakahiya
ReplyDeleteI am not here to please people. I am here to refute heresies and heretics. The word 'Tanga' is used against them so that the simple Catholics will realize that the arguments commonly used against their Catholic Faith are basically stupid and illogical. I stand on what I've said. Our exchanges are there in full... they can stand on their own.
ReplyDeleteThe Baptists and Born Again liars are demonizing our faith let them now feel the sting of Catholic responses in a language understandable to them.
"Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. [REFERENCE TO ELIJAH AS A RIGHTEOUS MAN]"
ReplyDelete~righteous for men doesn't mean perfect, they even need a savior because in our human nature they are also sinners, why would pray to them? and not directly to God? is there anyone in the Bible prayed to saints? NO ONE! Verse please? Even Jesus directly prayed to the Father, He even didn't prayed to Mary and Joseph.
1 John 2:1 says, "And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and He is the propitiation for our sins."
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
~Confess your sins directly and not to pray to the saints, they are not OMNISCIENT like God, He's the only All-knowing God, Can Mary and Joseph hear your prayers? Verse Please?
Matthew 23:9 says; "And call no man your FATHER (this includes Priests) upon the earth: for one is your Father which is in heaven."
~Why people calling you Father? Did Jesus Call anyone in this earth father? Verse Please. Compare your self to the scriptures!
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
My friend, Mary is a normal person like you and me. She has no other special power. She was faithful to God as other children of God. She was just chosen by God as God choose people today for his purpose. She was just an medium.
Jesus was there before Mary or you and me was born. Jesus is existed before the earth begun, so how would she had a mother? a holy mother? Heresy!
Rather than praying directly to God, we are praying to person who is dead and asleep now. Only Christ has risen from the dead, not mary.
God said i am the Alpha and Omega, beginning and end, why would a God has a mother if He's the beginning, Heresy!
"Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. [REFERENCE TO ELIJAH AS A RIGHTEOUS MAN]"
ReplyDelete[~righteous for men doesn't mean perfect,]
WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT RIGHTEOUS MEANS PERFECT? IT IS NOT OUR DOCTRINE SO YOU ARE BARKING THE WRONG TREE. GET REAL, MAN. DON'T ATTACK AN IMAGINARY OPPONENT BUT ARGUE AGAINST WHAT WE TRULY BELIEVE NOT THE PRODUCT OF YOUR OWN IMAGINATION.
[they even need a savior because in our human nature they are also sinners,]
WHO IS THE DEMON WHO TAUGHT YOU THAT RIGHTEOUS MEN DON'T NEED A SAVIOR? WE CATHOLICS NEVER TAUGHT THAT. WE TEACH THAT ALL PEOPLE NEED A SAVIOR. ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE ATTACKING AN IMAGINARY OPPONENT.
[why would pray to them?]
BECAUSE PRAYER IS NOT EXCLUSIVE TO GOD ALONE IN THE BIBLE AND IN THE CHRISTIAN PRACTICE. ST. PAUL EXHORTS CHRISTIANS TO PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER. AND AS DEMONSTRATED ABOVE SCRIPTURE PASSAGES ATTEST THAT PRAYER IS ALSO ADDRESSED TO HUMAN BEINGS SO THAT THEY CAN HELP US PRAY TO GOD.
WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THAT PRAYER IS TO BE ADDRESSED TO GOD ALONE? THAT IS JUST A SATANIC INVENTION OF YOUR NEWLY FOUND RELIGIONS.
MUCH MORE, YOU ARE BEING HYPOCRITE BECAUSE THE TV PROGRAMS OF YOUR TELE-EVANGELISTS ARE ASKING A LOT OF PRAYERS TO BE SENT TO THAT PASTOR THROUGH MAIL OR TELEPHONE CALLS. HYPOCRITE THE BORN AGAIN AND THE BAPTISTS ARE.
[and not directly to God?]
THERE ARE PRAYERS ADDRESSED TO GOD DIRECTLY AND THERE ARE PRAYERS ADDRESSED TO THE APOSTLES FIRST. DON'T BE HYPOCRITE, I KNOW THAT MANY OF YOUR MEMBERS ARE GOING TO THEIR PASTORS ASKING FOR PRAYERS AND TO LAY THEIR HANDS ON THEM. WHAT DO YOUC ALL THAT? WHY DO THEY NEED THE SINFUL HANDS OF THE PASTOR TO BE LAYED ON THEM?
[is there anyone in the Bible prayed to saints?]
YES. HERE IT IS:
Act 8:24 Simon said to Peter and John, "Please pray to the Lord for me, so that none of these things you spoke of will happen to me."
PETER AND JOHN WAS PERSONALLY REQUESTED TO PRAY FOR THE SAKE OF THE REPENTANT SINNER.
[NO ONE! Verse please?]
ALREADY GIVEN. I THINK YOU ARE BLIND TO THAT VERSE.
[Even Jesus directly prayed to the Father, He even didn't prayed to Mary and Joseph.]
OF COURSE JESUS DIDN'T NEED TO PRAY TO THE LOWER CREATURES. HE IS GOD.
[1 John 2:1 says, "And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and He is the propitiation for our sins."]
ReplyDeleteIT IS NOWHERE STATED HERE THAT CHRISTIANS MUST NOT ASK THE PRAYERS OF ANOTHER PERSON. BESIDES ITIS JESUS WHO GAVE US THE APOSTLES AND THE SAINTS. THE POWER TO FORGIVE SINS IS GIVEN TO THE APOSTLES:
John 20:21-23 Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father sent me, so I send you." Then he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive people's sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."
[1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
~Confess your sins directly and not to pray to the saints,]
IT IS NOWHERE STATED THERE THAT SINS MUST BE DIRECTED TO GOD 'ONLY'. IT IS ALSO 'ALLOWED' IN THE BIBLE THAT SINS ARE BEING CONFESSED TO ANOTHER HUMAN BEINGS:
James 5:16 "So then, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you will be healed. The prayer of a good person has a powerful effect."
SO, YOUR DOCTRINE OF 'DIRECTLY TO GOD ALONE' IS UNBIBLICAL AND DEMONIC IN ORIGIN. IT IS CONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLE HAD STATED.
[they are not OMNISCIENT like God,]
WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT ONLY AN OMNISCIENT CAN FORGIVE SIN? WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. HA, HA, HA...
THE APOSTLES WERE NOT OMNISCIENT BUT THEY WERE EMPOWERED TO FORGIVE SINS.
[He's the only All-knowing God,]
WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT THERE IS ANOTHER ALL-KNOWING GOD. WHERE IN HELL DID YOU GET THAT?
[Can Mary and Joseph hear your prayers? Verse Please?]
OF COURSE. THEY ARE NOT DEAF. HOW ABOUT YOUR PASTORS CAN THEY HEAR YOUR PRAYERS? THEY ARE HUMANS TOO IF YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF THAT. HOW COME YOU ARE ASKING THEM TO PRAY FOR YOU AND THEY ARE ASKING YOU TO SEND THEM YOUR PRAYERS AND PETITIONS?
[Matthew 23:9 says; "And call no man your FATHER (this includes Priests) upon the earth: for one is your Father which is in heaven."]
ReplyDeleteAGAIN THIS STUPID REASONING. WHERE IN THE BIBLE CAN YOU FIND THAT PRIESTS ARE INCLUDED THERE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. BESIDES, IN THE BIBLE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE CALLED 'FATHER'.
Jdg 17:9-10 And Micah said unto him, Whence comest thou? And he said unto him, I am a Levite of Bethlehemjudah, and I go to sojourn where I may find a place. And Micah said unto him, Dwell with me, and be unto me a FATHER and a PRIEST, and I will give thee ten shekels of silver by the year, and a suit of apparel, and thy victuals. So the Levite went in.
[~Why people calling you Father? Did Jesus Call anyone in this earth father? Verse Please.]
HA, HA, HA... YOU ONLY PROVED PUBLICLY THAT YOU ARE A CERTIFIED IDIOT. HA, HA, HA... HERE IT IS:
LUKE 18:20 "Honor your FATHER and mother..." [JESUS CALLED PEOPLE 'FATHER']
Mt 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the FATHER the child…
Mt 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his FATHER…
Mt 10:37 He that loveth FATHER or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mt 19:29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or FATHER…for my name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
Lk 12:53 The FATHER shall be divided against the son, and the son against the FATHER…
Lk 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his FATHER, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren…he cannot be my disciple.
Lk 16:24 [Jesus narrating ‘The Rich Man and Lazarus’] And he cried and said, FATHER Abraham, have mercy on me… (See also v. 27 & 30)
Jn 6:58 This is the bread which came down from heaven: not as your FATHERS did eat manna, and are dead…
[Compare your self to the scriptures!]
YOU ABSOLUTELY MADE AN IDIOT OF YOURSELF. THERE ARE A LOT OF HUMAN BEINGS CALLED 'FATHER' IN THE BIBLE.
IN LUKE 16:19-30 JESUS PERSONALLY NARRATED A STORY WHEREIN THE PATRIARCH ABRAHAM IS REFERRED TO AS "FATHER ABRAHAM" SEVERAL TIMES. HA, HA, HA...
[1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,]
HA, HA, HA... THAT IS THE CATHOLIC TEACHING. THAT JESUS IS THE ONLY MEDIATOR. BUT BEFORE THAT PASSAGE THERE IS THIS ONE:
1 Tim 2:1-2 First of all, then, I urge that petitions, prayers, requests, and thanksgivings be offered to God for all people; for kings and all others who are in authority, that we may live a quiet and peaceful life with all reverence toward God and with proper conduct.
CHRISTIANS ARE EXHORTED TO PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER AND THUS THEY ARE PRAYING FOR OTHERS AND CHRISTIANS REQUEST PRAYERS FOR ONE ANOTHER.
[My friend, Mary is a normal person like you and me.]
ReplyDeleteTHE MOTHER OF THE MESSIAH IS DEFINITELY MORE THAN YOU AND ME. SHE IS MORE THAN YOUR MOTHER. THAT IS WHY SHE IS CALLED BY THE BIBLE AS "HIGHLY FAVORED OF GOD" [LUKE 1:28] WHICH THE BIBLE DOES NOT USE FOR THE LIKES OF YOU, AND YOUR PASTORS. YOU AND YOUR PASTORS ARE PIECE OF GARBAGE... DUNGHILL COVERED WITH SNOW WHILE MARY IS FILLED WITH GOD'S GRACE AND CHOSEN TO BE THE MOTHER OF THE MESSIAH.
WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TAUGHT YOU THAT MARY IS JUST LIKE YOU AND ME? THAT IS DEFINITELY WRONG. BECAUSE MARY IS SPECIALLY CHOSEN AND EVEN PROPHESIED BY THE PROPHETS SPECIFICALLY.
[She has no other special power.]
SHE HAS POWER GIVEN BY GOD BECAUSE SHE WAS PRESENT DURING THE DESCENT OF THE APOSTLES AND THEREFORE SHE RECEIVED MIRACULOUS POWERS FROM ON HIGH. BESIDES, MARY IS 'OVERSHADOWED BY THE POWER OF THE MOST HIGH' [LUKE 1:35]
YOU ARE NOT OVERSHADOWED BY THE POWER OF THE MOST HIGH. YOU ARE NOT HIGHLY FAVORED OF GOD. WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE A PIECE OF JUNK IN COMPARISON WITH MARY. YOU AND YOUR BAPTISTS PASTORS ARE PIECE OF SHIT INCOMPARISON WITH MARY.
[She was faithful to God as other children of God.]
NOT ALL CHILDREN OF GOD ARE FAITHFUL. MARY IS PROVEN TO BE FAITHFUL AND THE BIBLE ATTEST TO THAT. YOUR FAITHFULNESS IS NOT ATTESTED BY THE BIBLE AND THEREFORE IT IS QUESTIONABLE. MANY APOSTLES WERE UNFAITHFUL BUT MARY NEVER BECAME UNFAITHFUL.
YOU AND YOUR PASTORS ARE PIECE OF GARBAGE INCOMPARISON WITH MARY.
[She was just chosen by God as God choose people today for his purpose.]
NOBODY ELSE IS CHOSEN BY GOD FOR A PURPOSE LIKE MARY. NO ONE ELSE IS CHOSEN TO BE THE MOTHER OF THE MESSIAH WHO WILL BE THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD. NO ONE ELSE. DID YOU BEAR IN YOUR WOMB THE MESSIAH? HA, HA, HA...
[She was just an medium.]
ReplyDeleteMARY IS MORE THAN A MEDIUM. THAT IS STUPID. YOU ARE MAKING A 'USER' OUT OF GOD. MARY IS THE MOTHER OF THE LORD JESUS. NO MOTHER IS A MERE MEDIUM. MARY AS THE MOTHER OF JESUS IS MUCH MORE THAN A MEDIUM. MAYBE YOUR MOTHER IS ONLY A MEDIUM BUT MARY IS NOT.
[Jesus was there before Mary or you and me was born.]
AS GOD JESUS IS ETERNALLY PRIOR TO MARY. WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE ARE TEACHING THAT. BUT IN THE ORDER OF HIS INCARNATION OF COURSE MARY IS PRIOR TO THE CHILD JESUS. ON THE LEVEL OF PHYSICAL EXISTENCE THE MOTHER IS AHEAD OF THE CHILD. HA, HA, HA... YOUR LOGIC AND YOUR PHILOSOPHY IS SO STUPID. IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE LEARNING FROM BAPTIST SCHOOL? HA, HA, HA...
[Jesus is existed before the earth begun, so how would she had a mother? a holy mother? Heresy!]
IDIOT. THE BIBLE SAYS THAT JESUS HAD A MOTHER. IT IS NOT MY INVETION. IF YOU CALL THAT A HERESY THEN THE BIBLE IS HERETICAL BECAUSE THE BIBLE CALLED MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS:
Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as HIS MOTHER MARY was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
HA, HA, HA... THE BIBLE STATES THAT MARY IS THE MOTHER OF JESUS. YET YOU ARE DENYING IT. IT IS YOU WHO IS IN HERESY. YOU ARE A BIBLICAL IDIOT...
SHE IS EVEN REFERRED AS THE MOTHER OF THE LORD:
Luk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that THE MOTHER OF MY LORD should come to me?
HA, HA, HA... THE RIGHTEOUS ELIZABETH SHOWED HUMILITY BEFORE MARY AND YET YOU HAVE THE GALL TO EQUATE YOURSELF TO MARY. C'MMON. YOU CAN DREAM IT IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY. YOU ARE NOTHING INCOMPARISON TO MARY.
[Rather than praying directly to God, we are praying to person who is dead and asleep now.]
WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT MARY IS ASLEEP? WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. HA, HA, HA...
THE GOOD PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED ARE ALIVE IN HEAVENLY BLISS:
Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
[Only Christ has risen from the dead, not mary.]
HA, HA, HA... JESUS SAID THAT THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM SHALL NEVER DIE:
Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.
MARY DEFINITELY BELIEVED FAITHFULLY TO JESUS UNTIL THE END. THUS, SHE IS ALIVE IN CHRIST.
[God said i am the Alpha and Omega, beginning and end, why would a God has a mother if He's the beginning, Heresy!]
IDIOT. THE BIBLE STATES THAT JESUS IS GOD AND THE BIBLE ALSO STATES THAT JESUS HAS A MOTHER. THAT IS WORD FOR WORD PROCLAIMED BY THE BIBLE. AND HERE YOU ARE LIKE AN ANIMAL TELLING US THE CONTRARY. HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE NOT ONLY IN HERESY... YOU ARE SPREADING STUPIDITY.
[WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT RIGHTEOUS MEANS PERFECT? IT IS NOT OUR DOCTRINE SO YOU ARE BARKING THE WRONG TREE. GET REAL, MAN.]
ReplyDelete~Then it came out from you, you are saying joseph and mary are holy, but the bible told us they are righteous, who’s barking the tree? The problem in you is your so literal!
[BECAUSE PRAYER IS NOT EXCLUSIVE TO GOD ALONE IN THE BIBLE AND IN THE CHRISTIAN PRACTICE. ST. PAUL EXHORTS CHRISTIANS TO PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER. AND AS DEMONSTRATED ABOVE SCRIPTURE PASSAGES ATTEST THAT PRAYER IS ALSO ADDRESSED TO HUMAN BEINGS SO THAT THEY CAN HELP US PRAY TO GOD.
WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THAT PRAYER IS TO BE ADDRESSED TO GOD ALONE? THAT IS JUST A SATANIC INVENTION OF YOUR NEWLY FOUND RELIGIONS.]
~Haha! Here’s the verse
"Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by PRAYER and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests TO GOD. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus" (Philippians 4:6-7).
“But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and PRAY TO YOUR FATHER, who is UNSEEN. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him" (Matthew 6:5-8).
~Verse below is one of the parables of Jesus Christ.
ReplyDelete“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, "God, have mercy on me, a sinner. I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted” (Luke 18:9-14)
~The tax collector directly prayed to God and not to the saints!
“My voice You shall hear in the morning, O LORD; in the morning I will DIRECT MY PRAYER TO YOU, and I will look up.” Psalms 5:3
~Jesus also told us how to pray in matthew 6:9-13
"This, then, is how you should pray: " OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.”
~He didn’t teach us to pray to saints, That’s how we should pray! Directly to God! Haha!
“If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.” – James 1:5
“At Gibeon the LORD appeared to Solomon during the night in a dream, and God said, "Ask for whatever you want me to give you." – 1 Kings 3:5
ReplyDelete~There is no biblical teaching at all that states we are to pray to those who once were alive on earth and are now in heaven. Revelation, the same book used by them to justify their position says the following:
"And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said to me, "Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and your brethren who hold the testimony of Jesus; worship God. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy," (Rev. 19:10).
~John wants to bow the knee and worship the angel. But the angel tells him not to do that because he is a fellow creature. If the angel says that he is a fellow creature like John, and that John is not to bow to him, then neither should anyone else bow to an angel, or any creature so as to offer worship. Worship includes prayer. Therefore, no one should pray to any created thing.
~Prayer is always offered to God, and is a form of worship. All religions view prayer as an act of worship to their god(s) since they contain petitions, confession of sin, requests of intercession, etc., things which are received and answered by God, not by created things. Also, prayer is not the same thing as talking to someone face-to-face. Prayer is a humble petition to the Lord and not to a friend who's in the same room with you or on the other end of the phone -- or in heaven. Prayer is offered to God, never to any created thing. To do so is to offer worship that should only be directed to God, which is idolatry. Prayer should be offered only to God!
~Again I’m gonna ask you, where can you find in the scripture that saints, mary and joseph can hear your prayers?
[MUCH MORE, YOU ARE BEING HYPOCRITE BECAUSE THE TV PROGRAMS OF YOUR TELE-EVANGELISTS ARE ASKING A LOT OF PRAYERS TO BE SENT TO THAT PASTOR THROUGH MAIL OR TELEPHONE CALLS. HYPOCRITE THE BORN AGAIN AND THE BAPTISTS ARE.]
ReplyDelete~Simple! As what Simon did, we are also doing it.
~ Simon said to Peter and John, "Please pray to the Lord for me, so that none of these things you spoke of will happen to me." Act 8:24
~Peter and John also prayed directly to God.
[ALREADY GIVEN. I THINK YOU ARE BLIND TO THAT VERSE.]
~You are the one who is blind to that verse.
[IT IS NOWHERE STATED HERE THAT CHRISTIANS MUST NOT ASK THE PRAYERS OF ANOTHER PERSON. BESIDES ITIS JESUS WHO GAVE US THE APOSTLES AND THE SAINTS. THE POWER TO FORGIVE SINS IS GIVEN TO THE APOSTLES: John 20:21-23 Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father sent me, so I send you." Then he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive people's sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."]
~Haha! You’re so literal, it’s not a forgiveness of a Father, it’s a forgiveness of men, if you do not forgive your friend’s sin, ofcourse he’s not forgiven. Because you didn’t forgive him.
“Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, FORGIVING EACH OTHER; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.”
Colossians 3:12-13
For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Matthew 6:14-15
Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven.
Matthew 18:21-22
~Peter’s brother sin against him. Because God’s forgiveness is effective those who forgives.
ReplyDelete[IT IS NOWHERE STATED THERE THAT SINS MUST BE DIRECTED TO GOD 'ONLY'. IT IS ALSO 'ALLOWED' IN THE BIBLE THAT SINS ARE BEING CONFESSED TO ANOTHER HUMAN BEINGS:
James 5:16 "So then, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you will be healed. The prayer of a good person has a powerful effect."]
~Like what Peter’s brother has done to him, this is the commandment God has given, a lot of people sinned against us, so if we didn’t forgive their sins, God wouldn’t forgive us, also without confession, there is no forgiveness, that’s why God told us to confess for one another and pray for one another so that we’ll be healed.
“Then I acknowledged my sin to you (God) and did not cover up my iniquity. I said ‘I will confess my transgressions to the LORD’ - and you forgave the guilt of my sin.” (Ps 32:5)
[SO, YOUR DOCTRINE OF 'DIRECTLY TO GOD ALONE' IS UNBIBLICAL AND DEMONIC IN ORIGIN. IT IS CONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLE HAD STATED.]
~Your doctrine of direct to saints, mary and joseph are unbiblical and demonic!
[WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT ONLY AN OMNISCIENT CAN FORGIVE SIN? WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. HA, HA, HA...]
~And who told you that saints can forgive sins? Do they heard your prayers? That’s what I’m saying that they’re not omniscient to hear your prayers!
[WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT THERE IS ANOTHER ALL-KNOWING GOD. WHERE IN HELL DID YOU GET THAT?]
~You are saying mary, joseph and other saints can hear your prayers, verse please?
[Can Mary and Joseph hear your prayers? Verse Please?]
[OF COURSE. THEY ARE NOT DEAF. HOW ABOUT YOUR PASTORS CAN THEY HEAR YOUR PRAYERS? THEY ARE HUMANS TOO IF YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF THAT. HOW COME YOU ARE ASKING THEM TO PRAY FOR YOU AND THEY ARE ASKING YOU TO SEND THEM YOUR PRAYERS AND PETITIONS?]
~You didn’t answer my question, where can you find in the scriptures that mary joseph and saints can hear your prayers? Out Pastors? Simple! As James 5:16 said
"So then, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you will be healed. The prayer of a good person has a powerful effect."
Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven.
Matthew 18:21-22
Peter also did what we are doing, your belief is demonic!
[YOU ARE NOT OVERSHADOWED BY THE POWER OF THE MOST HIGH. YOU ARE NOT HIGHLY FAVORED OF GOD. WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE A PIECE OF JUNK IN COMPARISON WITH MARY. ]YOU AND YOUR BAPTISTS PASTORS ARE PIECE OF SHIT INCOMPARISON WITH MARY.
“SHIT”]
~Foul word, Haha!
“Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear”. -Ephesians 4:29
[YOU AND YOUR PASTORS ARE PIECE OF GARBAGE INCOMPARISON WITH MARY.]
ReplyDelete~Haha! Mary is human like us, She’s just an instrument God used to gave birth to the Messiah, but She’s also a sinner in human nature. Don’t call her a queen of heaven, or a part of the holy family for she’s not holy! Or even immaculate.
~ all men have sinned (including Mary) and fallen short of the glory of God [Rom 3:23]
~and through one man sin entered the world and death spread to ALL men [Rom 5:12].
~Mary is in earth isn’t she? She’s a sinner in human nature. King David writing in Psalms says that he was brought forth in iniquity and in sin when his mother conceived him - biblical proof of mankinds sinful nature from the time of conception. (Psalms 51:5) Read your Bible!
~According to the law of Moses every mother that conceived, either a male or female, had to after an appointed time offer sacrifices to God: one as a burnt offering, and one as a sin offering [Lev.12]. Mary, after conceiving Jesus made these sacrifices in accordance and obedience to the Law God gave to Moses. This is clearly indicated to us in the book of Luke chap. 2 ver. 21-24, as Mary applies this very observance as is required of every Jewish woman who conceives her first born son. Read Leviticus 12 is first, understand what is being said, then read Luke 2:21-24. Once reading and understanding what is being said, it is clear that the offering Mary offers makes according to ... law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons. [Lk.2:24], ... the one for the burnt offering, and the other for a sin offering: ... [Lev. 12:8]. The sin offering Mary gives is sufficient evidence Mary's carnality.
Other proof of Mary being a sinner is found when Mary declares the need of a saviour. One is only in need of a saviour when realizing they are helpless and hopeless; that God in Christ having paid the penalty for the sins of mankind, is the One in Whom we are able to find redemption. [Col.1:12-14]. Mary also said, "My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour" [Luke 1:46,47].
[NOBODY ELSE IS CHOSEN BY GOD FOR A PURPOSE LIKE MARY. NO ONE ELSE IS CHOSEN TO BE THE MOTHER OF THE MESSIAH WHO WILL BE THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD. NO ONE ELSE. DID YOU BEAR IN YOUR WOMB THE MESSIAH? HA, HA, HA...]
Again, Mary admits her estate as the handmaiden of God and not "Mother of God". Admiting her estate as a handmaiden because God used her instrumentally as a vessel to conceive the Lord Jesus Christ. By Mary s own words, she removes any idea of pre-emanance so as not to assume exaltation above God s calling upon her life. "For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed" [Luke 1:48].
The Scriptures catergorically state the family Jesus had, and that Mary did conceive after the birth of Jesus. She never remained a virgin, and can never be considered "IMMACULATE" as you and your church has exalteded her to be.
"Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?" (Mat 13:55,56).
[IDIOT. THE BIBLE SAYS THAT JESUS HAD A MOTHER. IT IS NOT MY INVETION. IF YOU CALL THAT A HERESY THEN THE BIBLE IS HERETICAL BECAUSE THE BIBLE CALLED MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS:]
ReplyDelete~Haha! Here’s the verse:
“In the beginning was the WORD[Jesus], and the WORD[Jesus] was with God, and the WORD[Jesus] was God.” –John 1:1
The WORD[Jesus] became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.” –John 1:14
“'Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.' Then the Jews said to Him, 'You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?' Jesus said to them, 'Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.' Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple”
(John 8:56-58).
Jesus claimed to have seen Abraham and when the Jews questioned Him about His claim to have seen Abraham He said that before Abraham was I AM.
~Mary is blessed chosen one to gave birth to the messiah, but she’s just an instrument chosen by God and that’s not a key to claim that she’s holy.
[Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as HIS MOTHER MARY was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
HA, HA, HA... THE BIBLE STATES THAT MARY IS THE MOTHER OF JESUS. YET YOU ARE DENYING IT. IT IS YOU WHO IS IN HERESY. YOU ARE A BIBLICAL IDIOT...]
~She’s just an earthly mother and not a mother in spirit, where can you find it in the scriptures? Verse please! Of course there’s also mary Magdalene in the bible, that verse just clarified that it is not mary Magdalene!
[WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT MARY IS ASLEEP? WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. HA, HA, HA...]
~Why? Is mary still alive in her earthly body? When we die we are now spirit!
“It is the same way with the resurrection of the dead. Our earthly bodies are planted in the ground when we die, but they will be raised to live forever. Our bodies are buried in brokenness, but they will be raised in glory. They are buried in weakness, but they will be raised in strength. They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies.” -1 Cor 15:42-44
[THE GOOD PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED ARE ALIVE IN HEAVENLY BLISS:
ReplyDeleteLuke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.]
~The richman died and go to hell, where in this scripture you are saying your purgatory thing?
“Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented”
~Abraham is telling to the richman that our chance is in this earth and not after death, nor in purgatory.
[HA, HA, HA... JESUS SAID THAT THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM SHALL NEVER DIE:
Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.]
~Jesus is talking about eternal death which is in hell, for the wages of sin is DEATH but the gift of God is ETENAL LIFE through Jesus Christ, do you know someone in this “generation” lived forever? And not experienced earthly death? Even your popes they experienced eathly death. Again the problem in your belief is your so literal!
[MARY DEFINITELY BELIEVED FAITHFULLY TO JESUS UNTIL THE END. THUS, SHE IS ALIVE IN CHRIST.]
~Her earthly body died but her spirit is alive
[IDIOT. THE BIBLE STATES THAT JESUS IS GOD AND THE BIBLE ALSO STATES THAT JESUS HAS A MOTHER. THAT IS WORD FOR WORD PROCLAIMED BY THE BIBLE. AND HERE YOU ARE LIKE AN ANIMAL TELLING US THE CONTRARY. HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE NOT ONLY IN HERESY... YOU ARE SPREADING STUPIDITY.]
The Bible states that before the world begun, Jesus is existed, Yes Jesus has a mother but just an earthly mother, not in spirit, Where can you find in the Bible you have to pray to Mary? As I told you she’s just an instrument and have sinned against the Lord, there’s no key to call her Holy Mother of God. Maybe I’m stupid but I’m not stupid as you!
[WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT RIGHTEOUS MEANS PERFECT? IT IS NOT OUR DOCTRINE SO YOU ARE BARKING THE WRONG TREE. GET REAL, MAN.]
ReplyDelete[~Then it came out from you, you are saying joseph and mary are holy, but the bible told us they are righteous, who’s barking the tree? The problem in you is your so literal!]
HA, HA, HA... I HAVE PROVEN FROM THE BIBLE THAT THERE IS A HOLY CITY, A HOLY PLACE, A HOLY MAN. WHILE YOU STUPIDLY CLAIM THAT ONLY GOD IS HOLY. HA, HA, HA...
HOLY PERSONS ARE THOSE WHO WALK BLAMELESS LIVES IN THE SIGHT OF GOD. THEY ARE JUST... THEY ARE RIGHTEOUS. MARY AND JOSEPH ARE RIGHTEOUS. THEY ARE HOLY PEOPLE. MARY IS REFERRED TO AS 'HIGHLY FAVORED OF GOD'. SHE IS SOMEONE FILLED WITH GOD'S GRACE.
ON YOUR PART YOU CLAIM THAT BEING RIGHTEOUS MEANS BEING PERFECT THAT ONLY GOD IS PERFECT. NOW THAT YOU ARE BEING ASKED TO DEFEND YOUR CLAIM THAT BEING RIGHTEOUS FOR HUMAN BEING DOES NOT MEAN PERFECT YOU ARE GRASPING ON THE STRAW. HA, HA, HA... POOR YOU.
[BECAUSE PRAYER IS NOT EXCLUSIVE TO GOD ALONE IN THE BIBLE AND IN THE CHRISTIAN PRACTICE. ST. PAUL EXHORTS CHRISTIANS TO PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER. AND AS DEMONSTRATED ABOVE SCRIPTURE PASSAGES ATTEST THAT PRAYER IS ALSO ADDRESSED TO HUMAN BEINGS SO THAT THEY CAN HELP US PRAY TO GOD.
ReplyDeleteWHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THAT PRAYER IS TO BE ADDRESSED TO GOD ALONE? THAT IS JUST A SATANIC INVENTION OF YOUR NEWLY FOUND RELIGIONS.]
[~Haha! Here’s the verse]
GLAD TO KNOW THAT YOU HAVE A VERSE. LET ME CHECK IT IF IT SAYS THAT PRAYER IS TO BE ADDRESSED "TO GOD ALONE"
["Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by PRAYER and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests TO GOD. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus" (Philippians 4:6-7).]
LIAR, LIAR, LIAR... IT IS NOWHERE STATED HERE THAT PRAYER IS FOR GOD ALONE. HA, HA, HA... ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE USING A VERSE THAT DOES NOT SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM. DEFINITELY, WE ARE PRAYING TO GOD AND TO JESUS DIRECTLY, BUT JUST LIKE IN THE BIBLE WHERE THERE ARE PRAYERS ADDRESSED TO HUMAN PERSONS SO WE ALSO ADDRESSED PRAYERS TO HUMAN PERSONS FROM TIME TO TIME. HA, HA, HA...
[“But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and PRAY TO YOUR FATHER, who is UNSEEN. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him" (Matthew 6:5-8).]
HA, HA, HA... AGAIN, THERE IS NO STATEMENT HERE SAYING THAT PRAYER IS TO BE ADDRESSED TO GOD ALONE. HA, HA, HA... YOU SATANICALLY INVENTED A DOCTRINE THAT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE BIBLE. HA, HA, HA...
[The problem in you is your so literal!]
ReplyDeleteHA, HA, HA... YOU DEMONICALLY INVENTED YOUR DOGMA OF 'BIBLE ALONE' THEN YOU DONT WANT TO FOLLOW THE BIBLE HA. HA, HA, HA...
YOU CANNOT FIND A SOLID BIBLICAL TEXTS FOR YOUR DOCTRINES. HA, HA, HA... THAT IS WHY YOU DON'T WANT TO BE LITERAL. HA, HA, HA... YOU WANT TO ESCAPE FROM THE FACT THAT YOUR DOCTRINES ARE NOT SUPPORTED BY SCRIPTURES. HA, HA, HA...
[~Verse below is one of the parables of Jesus Christ.
ReplyDelete“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, "God, have mercy on me, a sinner. I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted” (Luke 18:9-14)]
IT IS NOWHERE STATED HERE THAT PRAYER MUST BE ADDRESSED TO GOD ALONE. IN FACT THERE IS ANOTHER PARABLE THAT ONE IS ADDRESSING HIS PRAYERS TO THE SOUL OF THE DEAD SAINT:
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Luk 16:27 Then he said, I PRAY THEE therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
IF THIS SOUL OF A DEPARTED CAN PRAY TO A DEAD SAINT BUT ALIVE IN HEAVEN HOW MUCH MORE THE LIVING ON EARTH?
ABRAHAM DIDN'T REBUKE THE RICH MAN FOR PRAYING TO HIM. HE REFUSED HIS REQUEST BY ITS MERIT RATHER THAN REJECTING THE ACT OF PRAYER.
[~The tax collector directly prayed to God and not to the saints!]
THERE IS NOTHING IN THAT TEXT THAT REJECTS PRAYING TO THE SAINTS. IT IS YOUR REJECTION THAT I DENY. YOU PROHIBIT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT PROHIBITED IN THE BIBLE. WHERE IN THE BIBLE IS IT STATED THAT PRAYER MUST BE ADDRESSED TO GOD ALONE AS YOU CLAIM.
I CONSIDER THAT DOCTRINE "PRAYING TO GOD ALONE" AS UNBIBLICAL AND DEMONICALLY INVENTED BY YOU.
[“My voice You shall hear in the morning, O LORD; in the morning I will DIRECT MY PRAYER TO YOU, and I will look up.” Psalms 5:3]
AGAIN, THERE IS NOTHING HERE THAT STATES THAT PRAYER MUST BE DIRECTED TO GOD "ALONE". HA, HA, HA...
IF YOU WANT TO SEE EXAMPLES OF PRAYERS ADDRESSED TO ANYONE ELSE EXCEPT GOD HERE ARE SOME:
PSALM 103:21 "Praise the LORD, all his heavenly hosts, you his servants who do his will."
THE PRAYER REQUEST IS ADDRESSED NOT DIRECTLY TO GOD BUT TO THE HEAVENLY HOSTS COMPOSED OF ANGELS AND SAINTS IN HEAVEN:
Rev 18:20 "Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye HOLY apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her."
IN HEAVEN THERE ARE THE "HOLY" APOSTLES AND PROPHETS. THEY ARE ALIVE BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING ASKED... PRAYED TO... TO REJOICE.
IT REFUTES YOUR IDIOTIC CLAIM THAT HUMAN PERSONS CANNOT BE HOLY BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PERFECT. HA, HA, HA...
THE ANGELS, THE HOLY APOSTLES AND PROPHETS CAN BE REQUESTED TO DO SOMETHING. DAVID WAS ON EARTH WHEN HE WROTE PSALM 103:21. AND THAT PSALM IS BEING RECITED ON EARTH BY GOD'S PEOPLE FROM GENERATIONS TO GENERATIONS.
IN KING JAMES VERSION IT IS STATED:
"Bless ye the LORD, all ye his hosts; ye ministers of his, that do his pleasure."
ANGELS ARE MINISTERING SPIRITS. THEY MINISTER TO GOD. BUT SOME HUMAN PERSONS ARE ALSO MINISTERS OF GOD:
Ex 28:1 And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may MINISTER unto me in the priest's office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron's sons.
Rom 15:16 That I should be THE MINISTER of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
SO, THE PRAYER OF PSALM 103 IS ADDRESSED TO BOTH ANGELS AND THE HUMAN MINISTERS OF GOD THAT ARE ALREADY IN HEAVEN.
[~Jesus also told us how to pray in matthew 6:9-13
ReplyDelete"This, then, is how you should pray: " OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.”
~He didn’t teach us to pray to saints, That’s how we should pray! Directly to God! Haha!]
HA, HA, HA... THE BORN AGAIN AND THE BAPTISTS ARE NOT PRAYING THE OUR FATHER. THEY PREFER THEIR OWN INVENTED-SPONTANEOUS PRAYERS THAT ARE LONG AND REPETITIOUS AND HYPOCRITICAL.
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE ONE OFFICIALLY PRAYING THE OUR FATHER AS THE OFFICIAL PRAYER OF THE CHURCH AND IN WORSHIP AND IN OUR PERSONAL PRAYERS. THAT IS WHY THE TRUE WORSHIP IS IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH NOT WITH THE BORN AGAIN AND BAPTISTS.
BESIDES, LOOK CLOSELY ON THOSE VERSES. JESUS NEVER SAID THAT PRAYER IS TO BE ADDRESSED TO GOD ALONE. OTHERWISE JESUS WOULD HAVE FALLEN INTO YOUR STUPIDITY AND CONTRADICTION WITH THE BOOK OF PSALMS WHEREIN THE HOLY SPIRIT INSPIRED DAVID TO ADDRESS A PRAYER TO THE SAINTS:
Psalm 30:4 "Sing unto the LORD, O ye SAINTS of his, and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness."
HA, HA, HA... THAT IS WORD FOR WORD. HERE IS ANOTHER:
Psalm 31:23 "O love the LORD, all ye his SAINTS: for the LORD preserveth the faithful, and plentifully rewardeth the proud doer."
HA, HA, HA... YOU SEE THE FAITHFUL ONES ARE PRESERVED BY THE LORD. THAT IS WHY THOSE WHO LIVE IN RIGHTEOUSNESS HERE IN EARTH AND FAITHFUL TO GOD ARE GIVEN EVERLASTING LIFE. THE SAINTS ARE BLESSED HERE ON EARTH AND IN THE LIFE TO COME. AND PRAYERS CAN BE ADDRESSED TO THE SAINTS.
[“If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.” – James 1:5]
YOU NEED TO ASK GOD THAT GIFT BECAUSE YOU ARE DROWNING IN STUPIDITY. THE HOLY APOSTLES AND PROPHETS WHO ARE IN HEAVEN WHO WERE CONSCIOUS AND ARE REJOICING ARE BECOMING 'SLEEPING' LOTS FOR YOU. HA, HA, HA...
MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL. YOU HAVE BEEN BLINDED BY THE DEVIL INTO THE DOCTRINES THAT YOU HAVE INVENTED AND IS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE BIBLE.
[“At Gibeon the LORD appeared to Solomon during the night in a dream, and God said, "Ask for whatever you want me to give you." – 1 Kings 3:5]
ReplyDeleteWHERE IS YOUR DOCTRINE OF "PRAYER MUST BE ADDRESSED TO GOD ALONE" HERE. NOTHING. HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE NOT SUPPORTED BY THE TEXTS YOU ARE USING.
[~There is no biblical teaching at all that states we are to pray to those who once were alive on earth and are now in heaven.]
PRAYER IS LITERALLY PRESENTED IN THE BIBLE AS GIVEN TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALIVE ON EARTH, THOSE WHO ARE IN HEAVEN AND TO GOD ULTIMATELY. I HAVE GIVEN THE VERSES HERE WORD FOR WORD, LINE BY LINE. BUT YOU CANNOT FIND A SINGLE VERSE THAT GIVES SUPPORT TO YOUR DEMONIC CLAIM THAT "PRAYER MUST BE ADDRESSED TO GOD ALONE".
[Revelation, the same book used by them to justify their position says the following:
"And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said to me, "Do not do that; I am a fellow servant of yours and your brethren who hold the testimony of Jesus; worship God. For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy," (Rev. 19:10).]
HA, HA, HA... ONCE AGAIN IT IS NOWHERE STATED THERE THAT "YOU MUST PRAY TO GOD ALONE". WHAT IS STATED IS WORSHIP GOD ALONE. HA, HA, HA... OF COURSE WE ARE WORSHIPPING GOD ALONE. WORSHIP IS FOR GOD ALONE. BUT PRAYER IS NOT FOR GOD ALONE. PRAYER CAN BE ADDRESSED TO HUMAN PERSONS AND TO THOSE WHO ARE IN HEAVEN.
[~John wants to bow the knee and worship the angel. But the angel tells him not to do that because he is a fellow creature. If the angel says that he is a fellow creature like John, and that John is not to bow to him, then neither should anyone else bow to an angel, or any creature so as to offer worship.]
ReplyDeleteTHE TOPIC HERE IS WORSHIP. AND THE CATHOLICS WORSHIP GOD ALONE. HE, HE, HE... YOU ARE OUT OF TUNE AND OUT OF YOUR MIND. HA, HA,HA...
[Worship includes prayer.]
WORSHIP INCLUDES PRAYER TO GOD. BUT NOT ALL PRAYERS ARE INCLUDED IN THE WORSHIP. PRAYERS ADDRESSED TO ANGELS, HOLY APOSTLES AND PROPHETS, THE SAINTS ARE NOT PART OF WORHSHIP.
PRAYER IS SIMPLY A SPECIAL REQUEST. THAT IS A SUPPLICATION ADDRESSED TO PERSONS SUCH AS A FRIEND, A LOVED ONE, TO THE JUDGE IN THE COURT, TO THE MINISTER OF THE CHURCH, TO ANGELS, SAINTS OR THE HIGHEST OF WHICH IS TO GOD. THE ONE ADDRESSED TO GOD IS PART OF WORSHIP.
[Therefore, no one should pray to any created thing.]
PRAYERS ARE LITERALLY ADDRESSED TO SEVERAL HUMAN PERSONS IN THE BIBLE. THAT IS WORD FOR WORD SUPPORTED BY THE BIBLE. THAT IS WHY YOU ARE A LIAR... LIAR, LIAR, LIAR... HA, HA, HA...
WHERE IN THE BIBLE CAN YOU FIND THAT PRAYER MUST NOT BE ADDRESSED TO ANY CREATURE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. HA, HA, HA...
[~Prayer is always offered to God, and is a form of worship.]
LIAR, LIAR, LIAR... THE BIBLE SHOWED THAT PRAYERS ARE NOT ALWAYS OFFERED TO GOD. NOT ALL PRAYERS ARE FORM OF WORSHIP. HA, HA, HA...
LIAR, LIAR, LIAR...
[All religions view prayer as an act of worship to their god(s) since they contain petitions, confession of sin, requests of intercession, etc.,]
ReplyDeleteTHAT IS AN IDEA RECENTLY INVENTED BY THE BORN AGAIN AND THE BAPTISTS. THE EARLY CHRISTIANS AND THE BIBLE USES THE WORD PRAYER NOT WITH THAT MEANING. THAT IS WHY YOUR POSITION IS SATANIC. IT IS CONTRARY TO THE BIBLE:
Gen 12:13 Say, I PRAY THEE, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
THERE ABRAHAM IS PRAYING TO HIS WIFE SARAH TO ACH AS HIS SISTER SO THAT HE WILL NOT BE KILLED.
Ex 4:18 And Moses went and returned to Jethro his father in law, and said unto him, Let me go, I PRAY THEE, and return unto my brethren which are in Egypt, and see whether they be yet alive. And Jethro said to Moses, Go in peace.
MOSES PRAYED TO JETHRO HIS FATHER IN LAW TO ALLOW HIM TO LEAVE.
Num 22:16 And they came to Balaam, and said to him, Thus saith Balak the son of Zippor, Let nothing, I PRAY THEE, hinder thee from coming unto me:
HA, HA,HA... OBVIOUSLY BALAAM IS NOT GOD BUT THESE JEWS PRAYED TO HIM. OF COURSE THAT IS NOT WORSHIP. THE BIBLE IS NOT AS STUPID AS YOU TO EQUATE PRAYER WITH WORSHIP.
IN THE NAME OF GOD AND OF THE HOLY WORD OF GOD I COMMAND YOU TO STOP SPREADING YOUR LIES AND STUPIDITIES.
[things which are received and answered by God, not by created things.]
THERE ARE PRAYERS FOR GOD AND THERE ARE PRAYERS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED TO SOMEONE ELSE. THAT IS THE BIBLICAL TEACHING.
[Also, prayer is not the same thing as talking to someone face-to-face. Prayer is a humble petition to the Lord and not to a friend who's in the same room with you or on the other end of the phone -- or in heaven.]
IDIOT. HERE IS JOSHUA A TRUE WORSHIPPER OF GOD PRAYING TO HIS SON IN FRONT OF HIM:
Jos 7:19 And Joshua said unto Achan, My son, give, I PRAY THEE, glory to the LORD God of Israel, and make confession unto him; and tell me now what thou hast done; hide it not from me.
HE PRAYED TO HIS SON BUT HE ADMONISHED HIM TO GIVE GLORY TO GOD. AS I EXPLAINED WORSHIP OF GOD IS DISTINCT FROM PRAYER ADDRESSED TO HUMAN BEINGS.
[Prayer is offered to God, never to any created thing.]
LIAR, LIAR, LIAR... THE BIBLE HAS PROVEN YOU WRONG ALREADY. MY EVIDENCES ARE WORD FOR WORD. YOURS ARE ONLY CONCOCTED IDEAS. THEY ARE PRODUCTS OF YOUR HALLUCINATIONS JUST LIKE YOUR SOLA FIDE, SOLA SCRIPTURA. HA, HA, HA...
[To do so is to offer worship that should only be directed to God, which is idolatry. Prayer should be offered only to God!]
WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE? WHERE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. ALL THE VERSES THAT YOU'VE SENT DIDN'T GIVE WHAT YOU ARE CLAIMING. HA, HA, HA... INSTEAD I SHOWED SO MANY VERSES SHOWING THAT PRAYERS ARE ADDRESSED TO HUMAN PERSONS. HA, HA, HA... WORD FOR WORD...
[~Again I’m gonna ask you, where can you find in the scripture that saints, mary and joseph can hear your prayers?]
I HAVE PROVEN ALREADY THAT THE SAINTS ARE ALIVE IN HEAVEN. IF THEY ARE ALIVE THEY CAN HEAR. WHERE IN THE BIBLE CAN YOU FIND THAT MARY AND JOSEPH ARE DEAF IN HEAVEN?
WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THAT MARY AND JOSEPH ARE SLEEPING IN HEAVEN?
WHEN THE BIBLE SAYS THAT THE SAINTS AND ANGELS ARE ALIVE IN HEAVEN THEN ALL SAINTS AND RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE IN HEAVEN ARE ALIVE. HA, HA, HA...
WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAYS THAT THE SAINTS ARE SLEEPING? HA, HA, HA...
[MUCH MORE, YOU ARE BEING HYPOCRITE BECAUSE THE TV PROGRAMS OF YOUR TELE-EVANGELISTS ARE ASKING A LOT OF PRAYERS TO BE SENT TO THAT PASTOR THROUGH MAIL OR TELEPHONE CALLS. HYPOCRITE THE BORN AGAIN AND THE BAPTISTS ARE.]
ReplyDelete[~Simple! As what Simon did, we are also doing it.]
HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE NOT DOING IT BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT GOING TO PETER AND ASK HIM TO PRAY TO GOD FOR YOU. WE CATHOLICS ARE THE ONE DOING IT.
[~ Simon said to Peter and John, "Please pray to the Lord for me, so that none of these things you spoke of will happen to me." Act 8:24]
EXACTLY AS THE CATHOLICS ARE DOING. WE ARE ASKING THE SAINTS TO PRAY TO GOD FOR US.
[~Peter and John also prayed directly to God.]
WE CATHOLICS ARE ALSO PRAYING TO GOD DIRECTLY. BUT AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE THERE ARE INSTANCES THAT WE PRAY TO SAINTS TO INTERCEDE FOR US.
[ALREADY GIVEN. I THINK YOU ARE BLIND TO THAT VERSE.]
[~You are the one who is blind to that verse.]
OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE THE ONE. THE TEXTS YOU ARE GIVING ARE SO FAR FROM THE MEANING THAT YOU ARE GIVING THEM. HA, HA,HA...
[IT IS NOWHERE STATED HERE THAT CHRISTIANS MUST NOT ASK THE PRAYERS OF ANOTHER PERSON. BESIDES ITIS JESUS WHO GAVE US THE APOSTLES AND THE SAINTS. THE POWER TO FORGIVE SINS IS GIVEN TO THE APOSTLES:
ReplyDeleteJohn 20:21-23 Jesus said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father sent me, so I send you." Then he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive people's sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven."]
[~Haha! You’re so literal,]
HA, HA, HA... YOU CANNOT TAKE THE LITERAL SENSE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE VERSES TO SUPPORT YOUR POSITION. HA, HA, HA... LET ME SEE HOW YOU WILL DISTORT THIS ONE.
[it’s not a forgiveness of a Father,]
WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT IT IS NOT THE FORGIVENESS OF THE FATHER? IF THEY FORGIVE THE GOD WILL FORGIVE. IT IS VERY CLEAR. IF YOU FORGIVE THEY ARE FORGIVEN. HA, HA, HA...
[it’s a forgiveness of men,]
ITS THE POWER TO FORGIVE SINS GIVEN BY GOD TO MEN. HA, HA, HA... THE POWER TO FORGIVE COMES FROM JESUS THE LORD. HA, HA, HA...
[if you do not forgive your friend’s sin, ofcourse he’s not forgiven. Because you didn’t forgive him.]
HA, HA, HA... IDIOT. JESUS DIDN'T SAY: "IF YOU FORGIVE THE SINS OF YOUR FRIENDS THEY ARE FORGIVEN". HA, HA, HA...
YOU ARE DISTORTING THE WORD OF GOD TO ESCAPE YOUR SHAME. HA, HA, HA.. JESUS SAID "IF YOU FORGIVE PEOPLE'S SINS"... IN KING JAMES VERSION THE WORDS OF JESUS IS MORE DEVASTATING FOR YOUR POSITION: "WHOSOEVER SINS YOU FORGIVE THEY ARE FORGIVEN". HA, HA, HA... DEFINITELY IT IS NOT A FORGIVENESS OF A FRIEND TO ANOTHER. IT IS A GENERAL POWER TO FORGIVE SINS GIVEN TO THE LEADERS OF THE CHURCH. HA, HA, HA...
[“Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, FORGIVING EACH OTHER; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.”
Colossians 3:12-13]
HA, HA, HA... YOU'VE SAID THAT HUMANS CANNOT BE HOLY. HOW COME THE ADJECTIVE HOLY IS GIVEN TO HUMANS IN THAT VERSE? HA, HA, HA...
YES, GOD IS THE ONE THAT FORGIVES BUT HE FORGIVES THROUGH THE LEADERS OF THE CHURCH. HE DOES NOT SAY THERE GO TO ME DIRECTLY BUT RATHER HE ADMONISHED THE CHRISTIANS TO GO TO THE LEADERS OF THE CHURCH ON MATTERS OF SINS [MATTHEW 18:18]
ST. PAUL DIDN'T SAY: "YOU DON'T NEED TO GO TO THE APOSTLES. GO DIRECTLY TO GOD." NOTHING. IN FACT, IT WAS PETER WHO DECIDED FOR ANANIAS AND ZAFIRA. PETER DIDN'T LOOK UP TO HEAVEN AND SAID: "LORD, JUDGE THEM FOR ME". HE DECIDED AS ONE EMPOWERED TO JUDGE THE SINS OF THE PEOPLE.
[For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Matthew 6:14-15]
THIS ONE IS ADDRESSED TO ALL BELIEVERS. THIS IS THE ONE APPROPRIATE FOR YOUR CLAIM BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE SERMON ON THE MOUNT. BUT THAT OF JOHN 20:21-23 WAS GIVEN TO THE APOSTLES. THAT SPECIAL POWER, TOGETHER WITH MT 18:18 AND MT 16:18-19 ARE NOT GIVEN TO ALL BUT TO THE APOSTLES ONLY.
[Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven. Matthew 18:21-22]
HA, HA, HA... THESE VERSES ALL THE MORE SUPPORT THE CATHOLIC POSITION THAT FORGIVENESS OF SINS IS NOT DIRECT TO GOD ALWAYS. THERE ARE INSTANCES THAT THEY ARE DIRECTED FIRST TO HUMAN BEINGS. CHRISTIANS CAN FORGIVE THOSE WHO SINNED AGAINST THEM AND THE LEADERS OF THE CHURCH ARE EMPOWERED TO FORGIVE SINS IN THE NAME OF GOD.
[~Peter’s brother sin against him. Because God’s forgiveness is effective those who forgives.]
ReplyDeleteHA, HA, HA... O MY... WHAT A GRAMMAR. IN THAT PARTICULAR TEXT, MT 18:21-22 PETER GAVE A SITUATION: "WHEN MY BROTHER WRONGED ME". THAT IS A PARTICULAR CASE. BUT JOHN 20:21-23 IS NOT TALKING OF THAT PARTICULAR CASE. IT SPEAKS OF GENERAL AUTHORIZATION FOR THE APOSTLES TO FORGIVE SINS. IT SPEAKS OF ALL PEOPLE AND OF ALL KINDS OF SINS: "WHOSOEVER SINS". THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THING. HA, HA, HA...
[IT IS NOWHERE STATED THERE THAT SINS MUST BE DIRECTED TO GOD 'ONLY'. IT IS ALSO 'ALLOWED' IN THE BIBLE THAT SINS ARE BEING CONFESSED TO ANOTHER HUMAN BEINGS:
James 5:16 "So then, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you will be healed. The prayer of a good person has a powerful effect."]
[~Like what Peter’s brother has done to him, this is the commandment God has given, a lot of people sinned against us, so if we didn’t forgive their sins, God wouldn’t forgive us, also without confession, there is no forgiveness, that’s why God told us to confess for one another and pray for one another so that we’ll be healed.]
HA, HA, HA... YOU ALREADY SWALLOWED YOUR CLAIM THAT CONFESSION OF SINS MUST BE DIRECTED TO GOD ALONE. YOU ARE ALREADY BACKTRACKING BECAUSE ABOVE YOU ARGUED WITH PRIDE THAT "ONLY GOD CAN FORGIVE SINS". NOW YOU ARE EATING YOUR OWN VOMIT. YOU ARE GIVING IN TO THE FACT THAT HUMAN PERSONS CAN FORGIVE SINS. IT IS NOT ONLY GOD WHO FORGIVE SINS BUT ALSO HUMAN BEINGS CAN FORGIVE SINS.
THE PROBLEM FOR YOU IS THAT FRATERNAL FOGIVENESS IS PARTICULAR CASE. IT REFERS TO SINS THAT CONCERNS BOTH PARTY. BUT THE AUTHORITY TO FORGIVE SIN GIVEN TO THE APOSTLES IN THE POST RESURRECTION EVEN IS NOT REFERRING TO PARTICULAR CASE OF FRATERNAL FORGIVENESS. JESUS EMPOWERED THEM TO FORGIVE ALL PEOPLE AND ALL KINDS OF SINS. EVEN SINS NOT COMMITTED AGAINST THEIR OWN PERSONS AS IN THE CASE YOU ARE PRESENTING.
[“Then I acknowledged my sin to you (God) and did not cover up my iniquity. I said ‘I will confess my transgressions to the LORD’ - and you forgave the guilt of my sin.” (Ps 32:5)]
YEAH, DAVID CONFESSED HIS SINS TO THE LORD BUT TO WHOM DID HE CONFESSED HIS SINS? TO PROPHET NATHAN. LOOK:
2 Samuel 12:13-14 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die. Howbeit, because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.
THE WORDS OF DAVID IS EXACTLY WHAT THE CATHOLICS TELL THE PRIESTS. THEY ARE SORRY FOR SINNING AGAINST THE LORD. AND LIKE NATHAN AND LIKE THE APOSTLES THE LORD'S FORGIVENESS IS GIVEN BY THE PROPHET OR MINISTER OF GOD.
NATHAN PRONOUNCED FORGIVENESS TO DAVID WITH AUTHORITY WITHOUT WAITING FOR GOD TO SPEAK TO HIM. BECAUSE HE HAS THE POWER TO DO SO. THE LEADERS OF GOD'S PEOPLE HAVE SPECIAL POWERS TO FORGIVE SINS. THEY ARE NOT LIKE THE BORN AGAIN AND THE BAPTISTS WHO ARE DEPRAVED OF GOD'S GRACE.
[SO, YOUR DOCTRINE OF 'DIRECTLY TO GOD ALONE' IS UNBIBLICAL AND DEMONIC IN ORIGIN. IT IS CONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLE HAD STATED.]
[~Your doctrine of direct to saints, mary and joseph are unbiblical and demonic!]
HA, HA, HA... OUR DOCTRINE IS DIRECT WORSHIP OF GOD AND PRAYER THROUGH THE SAINTS. BOTH ARE SUPPORTED BY THE BIBLE. WORD FOR WORD. AS YOU'VE SAID: "LITERAL". HA, HA, HA.... YOUR DOCTRINE IS UNBIBLICAL. OURS IS BIBLICAL. HA HA HA... BIBLICAL LITERALLY... YOURS UNBIBLICAL IMAGINATIVELY.... HA, HA, HA...
[WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT ONLY AN OMNISCIENT CAN FORGIVE SIN? WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. HA, HA, HA...]
ReplyDelete~And who told you that saints can forgive sins?
THE BIBLE. JESUS SAID THAT HIS APOSTLES CAN FORGIVE THE SINS OF THE PEOPLE. HA, HA, HA... ARE YOU IGNORANT OF THAT? HA, HA, HA...
THE PROPHET NATHAN CAN FORGIVE SIN. HE FORGAVE THE SINS OF DAVID.
FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT THE MINISTERS OF THE PEOPLE OF GOD CAN ATONE FOR THE SINS OF THE PEOPLE AND THE SINS ARE BEING FORGIVEN:
Lev 4:26 And he shall burn all his fat upon the altar, as the fat of the sacrifice of peace offerings: and the priest shall make an atonement for him as concerning his sin, and it shall be forgiven him.
FROM OLD TESTAMENT CLEAR NA YAN. THAT THE MINISTERS OF GOD IN THE TEMPLE HAVE BEEN GIVEN BY GOD AUTHORITY TO FORGIVE SINS. ONLY SATAN HAVE TOLD YOU OTHERWISE. HE ALLOWED YOURSELF TO BE DECEIVED BY SATAN DESPITE THE WORD FOR WORD AND DIRECT TESTIMONY OF THE SCRIPTURES. HA, HA, HA...
[Do they heard your prayers?]
OF COURSE. HUMAN BEINGS CAN HEAR UNLESS THEY ARE DEAF. OF COURSE THEY CAN HEAR. WHERE IN THE BIBLE IS IT STATED THAT THEY CANNOT HEAR? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. HA, HA, HA... ABRAHAM COULD HEAR THE RICH MAN EVEN THOUGH ONE IS IN HELL AND THE OTHER IN HEAVEN. THEY CAN HEAR EACH OTHER.
[That’s what I’m saying that they’re not omniscient to hear your prayers!]
THAT IS ANOTHER IDIOTIC STATEMENT FROM YOU. WHO TOLD YOU THAT ONLY OMNISCIENT CAN HEAR? OUR DOG CAN HEAR A LOT OF SOUNDS BUT HE IS NOT OMNISCIENT. YOU ARE BECOMING STUPID EVERYDAY. HA, HA, HA...
WHERE IN THE BIBLE CAN YOU FIND THAT ONLY THE OMNISCIENT CAN HEAR?
[WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT THERE IS ANOTHER ALL-KNOWING GOD. WHERE IN HELL DID YOU GET THAT?]
[~You are saying mary, joseph and other saints can hear your prayers, verse please?]
ReplyDeleteALREADY GIVEN. THE SAINTS CAN HEAR. I HAVE SHOWED YOU THAT THEY ARE ALIVE. THEY ARE CONSCIOUS AND THEY CAN HEAR. DAVID AND THE ANGELS OF REVELATION EVEN EXHORT THE SAINTS TO PRAISE GOD AND REJOICE. INDEED, THE SAINTS ARE SINGING AND WORSHIPPING GOD IN HEAVEN. SO THEY ARE IN FRONT OF THE DIVINE THRONE IN HEAVEN
[Can Mary and Joseph hear your prayers? Verse Please?]
[OF COURSE. THEY ARE NOT DEAF. HOW ABOUT YOUR PASTORS CAN THEY HEAR YOUR PRAYERS? THEY ARE HUMANS TOO IF YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF THAT. HOW COME YOU ARE ASKING THEM TO PRAY FOR YOU AND THEY ARE ASKING YOU TO SEND THEM YOUR PRAYERS AND PETITIONS?]
[~You didn’t answer my question, where can you find in the scriptures that mary joseph and saints can hear your prayers? Out Pastors?]
YOU ARE BEING CLEVER HA. HA, HA, HA... MARY DEFINITELY CAN HEAR. SHE CAN HEAR BECAUSE THE ANGEL GABRIEL TALKED TO HER AND THEY HEARD EACH OTHER:
Luk 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
Luk 1:27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
Luk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
Luk 1:29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
Luk 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
Luk 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Luk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Luk 1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
Luk 1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
Luk 1:38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
NOW, WHERE IN THE BIBLE CAN YOU FIND THAT MARY CANNOT HEAR? WHETHER CONVERSATION OR PRAYER, WHATSOEVER? HA, HA, HA...
Simple! As James 5:16 said
"So then, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you will be healed. The prayer of a good person has a powerful effect."
Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven.
Matthew 18:21-22
BOTH VERSE PROVES THAT YOU ARE LYING WHEN YOU CLAIM THAT CONFESSIONS OF SINS MUST BE DIRECTED TO GOD ONLY. NOW YOU HAVE SWALLOWED YOUR VOMIT AND IS ADMITTING THAT HUMAN PERSONS CAN FORGIVE SINS. HA, HA, HA...
Peter also did what we are doing, your belief is demonic!
ReplyDeleteHA, HA, HA... THE POWER GIVEN BY JESUS TO THE APOSTLES IN JOHN 20:21-23 IS NOT A FRATERNAL FORGIVENESS. BUT AUTHORITY TO FORGIVE ALL SINS AND ALL PEOPLE. HA, HA, HA...
BESIDES, YOU HAVE DESTROYED YOUR OWN ARGUMENT THAT FORGIVENESS OF SINS MUST BE DIRECTED TO GOD ALONE. HA, HA, HA...
YOU SEE, BY SIDING WITH SATAN YOU ARE SELF-DESTRUCTING. YOU ARE ENTERING INTO SELF-CONTRADICTIONS. HA, HA, HA... YOUR STUPIDITIES ARE SHOWING UP. YOU ARE CRACKING. HA, HA, HA...
[YOU ARE NOT OVERSHADOWED BY THE POWER OF THE MOST HIGH. YOU ARE NOT HIGHLY FAVORED OF GOD. WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE A PIECE OF JUNK IN COMPARISON WITH MARY. ]YOU AND YOUR BAPTISTS PASTORS ARE PIECE OF SHIT INCOMPARISON WITH MARY.
“SHIT”]
[~Foul word, Haha!]
YOU ARE A PIECE OF SHIT INCOMPARISON WITH MARY WHOM THE BIBLE CALLED 'HIGHLY FAVORED OF GOD'. THE WOMB OF YOUR MOTHER IS NOT WORTHY TO BE THE WOMB OF THE MESSIAH. YOU ARE NOTHING INCOMPARISON WITH MARY OF NAZARETH. HA, HA, HA...
YOU DARE TO EQUAL YOURSELF WITH MARY. EXCUSE ME. I REPEAT: "YOU ARE A PIECE OF SHIT INCOMPARISON WITH MARY OF NAZARETH, THE MOTHER OF MY LORD".
[“Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear”. -Ephesians 4:29]
IT IS THE TRUTH. YOU ARE A PIECE OF SHIT INCOMPARISON WITH MARY OF NAZARETH. PROVE TO ME THAT YOU ARE "HIGHLY FAVORED OF GOD". WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE.
IT IS YOU WHO ARE TALKING FILTHY BECAUSE YOU ARE DEGRADING THE MOTHER OF THE LORD DOWN TO YOUR LEVEL. THE HIGHLY FAVORED OF GOD IS NOW BEING EQUALLED TO THE LIKES OF YOU.
YOU ARE A PIECE OF SHIT INCOMPARISON WITH MARY OF NAZARETH, THE MOTHER OF MY LORD.
[YOU AND YOUR PASTORS ARE PIECE OF GARBAGE INCOMPARISON WITH MARY.]
ReplyDelete[~Haha! Mary is human like us,]
WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT MARY IS NOT HUMAN?
[She’s just an instrument God used to gave birth to the Messiah,]
BEING THE MOTHER OF THE MESSIAH IS NOT "JUST AN INSTRUMENT". IT IS A GREAT HONOR AND BLESSING TO BE THE MOTHER OF THE MESSIAH. THAT IS WHY MARY IS HIGHLY FAVORED OF GOD. YOUR MOTHER IS NOT. HER WOMB IS NOT WORTHY. THE WOMB OF THE WIVES OF YOUR BAPTISTS MINISTERS ARE FILTHY AND UNWORTHY TO BE THE WOMB OF THE MESSIAH.
BEING A MOTHER IS BEING MORE THAN A MERE INSTRUMENT. YOU ARE DOWNGRADING THE SACREDNESS OF MOTHERHOOD, ESPECIALLY THE MOTHERHOOD SPECIFICALLY CHOSEN BY THE MESSIAH.
[but She’s also a sinner in human nature.]
WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAYS THAT MARY IS A SINNER? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE.
SIN IS ABOMINABLE TO GOD. MARY IS HIGHLY FAVORED OF GOD.
[Don’t call her a queen of heaven,]
SHE IS QUEEN OF HEAVEN BECAUSE SHE IS THE MOTHER OF THE KING OF HEAVEN. THE MOTHER OF THE KING IS A QUEEN.
[or a part of the holy family for she’s not holy!]
SHE IS HOLY BECAUSE SHE IS FILLED WITH GOD'S GRACE. THE BORN AGAIN AND THE BAPTISTS ARE CLAIMING THAT THEY ARE SAVED YET THEY ARE PIECE OF DUNGS COVERED WITH SNOW WHO HAS NOT FOUND FAVOR WITH GOD. THE ONE HIGHLY FAVORED OF GOD IS BEING REJECTED BUT THE SELF-PROCLAIMED RIGHTEOUS IN YOUR TV PROGRAMS ARE CLAIMING SALVATION LIKE CRAZY. HA, HA, HA...
[Or even immaculate.]
SHE IS IMMACULATE. THE MOTHER OF THE MESSIAH SHALL ALWAYS BE IN CONTENTION WITH SATAN.
[~ all men have sinned (including Mary)]
IT IS A GENERALIZATION FOR ALL SINNERS BUT DEFINITELY THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS. MARY IS ONE OF THEM. THE MOTHER OF THE MESSIAH IS ALWAYS IN OPPOSITION WITH SATAN.
[and fallen short of the glory of God [Rom 3:23]]
MARY IS HIGHLY FAVORED OF GOD AND THEREFORE SHE HAS NOT FALLEN SHORT BEFORE THE EYES OF GOD. SHE IS FILLED WITH GOD'S GRACE. WHAT IS FILLED WITH GRACE IS NOT LACKING OF GRACE. WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE AND MARY IS HIGHLY FAVORED... HIGHLY GRACED.
[~and through one man sin entered the world and death spread to ALL men [Rom 5:12].]
NOT ALL DIED. ELIJAH DIDNT DIE. ENOCH DIDN'T DIE. THESE ARE EXCEPTIONS. MARY IS CLEARLY AN EXCEPTIONS.
[~Mary is in earth isn’t she?]
WHERE IS HER TOMB? SHOW IT TO ME. HABEAS CORPUS!
[She’s a sinner in human nature.]
WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. GIVE ME ONE SINFUL ACT OF MARY FROM THE BIBLE.
[King David writing in Psalms says that he was brought forth in iniquity and in sin when his mother conceived him - biblical proof of mankinds sinful nature from the time of conception. (Psalms 51:5)]
BUT GOD THE FATHER SAYS THAT THE MOTHER OF THE MESSIAH WILL ALWAYS BE AN ANTAGONIST OF SATAN AND THAT SHE WILL BRING FORTH HER SON WHO WILL DESTROY THE DEVIL:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
IF MARY IS IN ENMITY WITH SATAN THEN AS SATAN IS SINFUL MARY IS WITHOUT SIN. BECAUSE GOD THE FATHER HAS FILLED HER WITH GRACE [LUKE 1:28] TO BE THE MOTHER OF THE SON OF GOD. GOD THE FATHER GAVE A SPECIAL GRACE TO THE MOTHER OF THE MESSIAH, A PROTECTION FROM SATAN.
[Read your Bible!]
IT IS YOU WHO SHOULD READ YOUR BIBLE. WHEN YOUR STUPIDITIES ARE BEING REVEALED IN OUR EXCHANGES YOU ARE RUNNING AWAY FROM TOPIC TO TOPIC. HA, HA, HA... THE HAPPY DAYS OF THE BORN AGAIN ARE OVER... PEOPLE WILL SEE HOW STUPID YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE. HA, HA, HA...
[~According to the law of Moses every mother that conceived, either a male or female, had to after an appointed time offer sacrifices to God: one as a burnt offering, and one as a sin offering [Lev.12].]
ReplyDeleteTHAT COMMAND ARE GIVEN TO THE ISRAELITES WHO ARE LIVING IN SIN AND NOT TO THE MESSIAH WHO IS SINLESS AND THE MOTHER OF THE MESSIAH WHO IS FILLED BY GOD THE FATHER'S GRACE AGAINST SATAN.
[Mary, after conceiving Jesus made these sacrifices in accordance and obedience to the Law God gave to Moses.]
MARY IS OBEDIENT AND THEREFORE SHE DID IT. BUT IT IS NOWHERE STATED BY THE BIBLE THAT MARY DID IT BECAUSE SHE IS SINFUL. ON THE CONTRARY, THE BIBLE SPEAKS OF MARY AS FILLED WITH GOD'S GRACE PRIOR TO THE CONCEPTION OF JESUS AND IT SPEAKS OF JOSEPH AS A RIGHTEOUS AND JUST MAN. IN ROMANS 3 ST. PAUL SPEAKS OF "NO ONE IS RIGHTEOUS..." BUT MATTHEW MADE JOSEPH AN EXCEPTION HE WROTE THAT JOSEPH IS "RIGTHEOUS".
BOTH MARY AND JOSEPH ARE NOT LIKE THE ORDINARY SINNERS. THEY ARE SPECIAL BY GOD'S PREDILECTION. THE BIBLE ATTESTS TO THAT.
[This is clearly indicated to us in the book of Luke chap. 2 ver. 21-24, as Mary applies this very observance as is required of every Jewish woman who conceives her first born son.]
IT SPEAKS OF MARY'S OBEDIENCE. SHE IS VERY OBEDIENT TO GOD. UNLIKE THE BAPTISTS WOMEN IN THE UNITED STATES WHO ARE MOSTLY LOOSING THEIR VIRGINITY AT THE AGE OF 11. MARY IS NOT LIKE THESE BORN AGAIN AND BAPTISTS WOMEN.
[Read Leviticus 12 is first, understand what is being said, then read Luke 2:21-24.]
LUKE NEVER SPEAKS OF MARY'S SINFULNESS. LUKE SPEAKS OF MARY AS BEING "HIGHLY FAVORED" AND "FILLED WITH GRACE". SO THAT IS WHY DON'T INSERT YOUR MALICE ON LUKE WHICH TESTIFIES TO THE CONTRARY. HA, HA, HA... THE SINFULLNESS IS IN YOUR MIND. HA, HA, HA... AND IN THE DOCTRINE OF YOUR SATANIC RELIGION.
[Once reading and understanding what is being said, it is clear that the offering Mary offers makes according to ... law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons. [Lk.2:24], ... the one for the burnt offering, and the other for a sin offering: ... [Lev. 12:8]. The sin offering Mary gives is sufficient evidence Mary's carnality.]
THE VIRGIN FROM NAZARETH IS DEFINITELY NOT CARNAL. A VIRGIN IS BODILY PURE. THE BORN AGAIN WOMEN AND BAPTISTS WOMEN FROM THEIR ORIGIN COUNTRIES ARE THOSE WHO ARE IMPURE. FROM THEIR OWN COUNTRIES CAME A LOT OF IMPURITIES: ABORTIONS, CONTRACEPTIONS, PORNOGRAPHY, PREMARITAL SEX, DIVORCE... THEY ALSO ALLOWED SAME SEX MARRIAGE AND EVEN HOMOSEXUAL BAPTIST MINISTERS.
[Other proof of Mary being a sinner is found when Mary declares the need of a saviour. One is only in need of a saviour when realizing they are helpless and hopeless; that God in Christ having paid the penalty for the sins of mankind, is the One in Whom we are able to find redemption. [Col.1:12-14]. Mary also said, "My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour" [Luke 1:46,47].]
ReplyDeleteHA, HA,HA... LIAR, LIAR, LIAR... MARY DIDN'T SAY: "I AM IN NEED OF A SAVIOR". HA, HA, HA... MARY SAID: "MY SPIRIT REJOICES IN GOD MY SAVIOR". HA, HA, HA...
MARY IS ALREADY REJOICING BECAUSE GOD SAVED HER. HA, HA, HA... INDEED, GOD THE FATHER DECLARED HER TO BE AN ENEMY OF SATAN AND THEREFORE SHE WILL ALWAYS BE AT THE SIDE OF GOOD. AND THAT SHE IS THE BEARER, THE MOTHER OF THE MESSIAH. GOD SAVED HER. MARY SPEAK OF GOD AS HER SAVIOR IN BOTH PAST AND PRESENT AND FUTURE... NOT IN A FUTURE SENSE ONLY.
WHEN GOD FILLED HER WITH GRACE AND FAVOR SHE WAS PROTECTED FROM SATAN. AND GOD THE FATHER ANNOUNCED IT WAY BACK IN GENESIS RIGHT AFTER THE FALL.
[NOBODY ELSE IS CHOSEN BY GOD FOR A PURPOSE LIKE MARY. NO ONE ELSE IS CHOSEN TO BE THE MOTHER OF THE MESSIAH WHO WILL BE THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD. NO ONE ELSE. DID YOU BEAR IN YOUR WOMB THE MESSIAH? HA, HA, HA...]
[Again, Mary admits her estate as the handmaiden of God and not "Mother of God".]
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SPEAKS OF MARY AS THE HANDMAIDEN OF GOD AND AS THE MOTHER OF THE LORD. WE CALL HER MOTHER OF GOD BECAUSE FOR US JESUS IS GOD. SO THE MOTHER OF JESUS IS THE MOTHER OF GOD.
[Admiting her estate as a handmaiden because God used her instrumentally as a vessel to conceive the Lord Jesus Christ.]
MARY CALLED HERSELF HANDMAIDEN BUT THE BIBLE DO NOT SPEAK OF HER AS HANDMAIDEN BUT AS "THE MOTHER OF JESUS" AND "THE MOTHER OF MY LORD". SINCE JESUS THE LORD IS GOD THEN MARY IS THE MOTHER OF GOD.
[By Mary s own words, she removes any idea of pre-emanance so as not to assume exaltation above God s calling upon her life.]
EVERY HUMBLE PERSON IS BEING EXALTED BY GOD. MARY IS HUMBLE THAT IS WHY SHE IS FILLED WITH GRACE. SHE REFUSES ANY TITLE BECAUSE OF HER HUMILITY AND VIRTUES BUT THE HOLY SPIRIT CALLED HER: "THE MOTHER OF THE LORD" [LUKE 1:43] THROUGH ANOTHER PERSON. SO HONORING HER MUST NOT BE DONE BY HER. THAT IS NOT PROPER, THAT IS PRIDE. GOD LET OTHER PEOPLE TO PRAISE HER INSTEAD. IN FACT, IT IS PROPHESIED THAT "ALL GENERATIONS SHALL CALL HER BLESSED" [LUKE 1:48]. THIS IS A PROPHECY THAT IS FULFILLED IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
"For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed" [Luke 1:48].
HA, HA, HA... VERY GOOD. DO YOU CALL MARY BLESSED? WE CATHOLICS ARE KNOWN AS CALLING HER "BLESSED". SHE IS BLESSED BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN OF FAITH AND IS PURE OF HEART.
[The Scriptures catergorically state the family Jesus had, and that Mary did conceive after the birth of Jesus.]
ReplyDeleteTHE BIBLE DEFINITELY NEVER STATED THAT MARY DID CONCEIVE AFTER THE BIRTH OF JESUS. WHERE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. HA, HA, HA...
[She never remained a virgin, and can never be considered "IMMACULATE" as you and your church has exalteded her to be.]
THAT DEMONIC DOCTRINE IS INVENTED BY HELVIDIUS THE HERETIC. IT IS NOT CHRISTIAN IN ORIGIN. EVEN LUTHER BELIEVES THAT MARY REMAINED A VIRGIN. THE BIBLE CALLED MARY "VIRGIN" [ISAIAH 7:14/ MATTHEW 1:23/ LUKE 1:27]. THAT IS SOLID. SEVERAL TIMES SHE IS CALLED 'VIRGIN'. BUT NEVER DID THE BIBLE STATES THAT MARY IS "NO LONGER A VIRGIN". YOU GOT THAT FROM THE DEVIL NOT FROM THE BIBLE.
["Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?" (Mat 13:55,56).]
IT IS NOWHERE STATED THERE THAT MARY CONCEIVED AGAIN. WHERE? IT IS NEVER STATED THERE THAT MARY IS NO LONGER A VIRGIN? WHERE?
THEY ARE BRETHREN OF JESUS BUT NOT SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF MARY. BESIDES, IT IS NOT STATED BIOLOGICAL SIBLINGS. THE ORIGINAL GREEK IS 'ADELPHOI'. THAT WORK IS USED NOT ONLY FOR BIOLOGICAL SIBLINGS BUT ALSO FOR RELATIVES. ST. PAUL EXPLAINS THAT VERY WELL:
Rom 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
THE REASON WHY THE BORN AGAIN AND THE BAPTISTS WANT MARY TO BE DEVIRGINIZED BECAUSE THEIR GIRLS ARE LOOSING THEIR VIRGINITY AT AN EARLY PERIOD IN THE UNITED STATES, IN GERMANY AND IN SWITZERLAND. HA, HA, HA... THEY FEEL INSULTED BECAUSE JESUS CHOSE A VIRGIN NOT THEIR DEVIRGINIZED BODIES. HA, HA, HA...
[IDIOT. THE BIBLE SAYS THAT JESUS HAD A MOTHER. IT IS NOT MY INVETION. IF YOU CALL THAT A HERESY THEN THE BIBLE IS HERETICAL BECAUSE THE BIBLE CALLED MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS:]
ReplyDelete~Haha! Here’s the verse:
[“In the beginning was the WORD[Jesus], and the WORD[Jesus] was with God, and the WORD[Jesus] was God.” –John 1:1]
IT IS NEVER STATED HERE THAT JESUS HAS NO MOTHER. YOU GAVE THE WRONG VERSE.
[The WORD[Jesus] became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.” –John 1:14]
IT IS NOT STATED HERE THAT BECAUSE JESUS IS THE WORD THEREFORE HE HAS NO MOTHER. HA, HA, HA... IT IS NOT STATED HERE: "THE WORD HAS NO MOTHER!" HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE BECOMING MORE STUPID DAILY.
HERE IS FROM MATTHEW:
Mat 1:12 From the time after the exile in Babylon to the birth of Jesus, the following ancestors are listed: Jehoiachin, Shealtiel, Zerubbabel, Abiud, Eliakim, Azor, Zadok, Achim, Eliud, Eleazar, Matthan, Jacob, and Joseph, who married MARY, THE MOTHER OF JESUS, who was called the Messiah. [Good News Bible]
AGAIN:
Mat 1:18 This was how the birth of Jesus Christ took place. HIS MOTHER MARY was engaged to Joseph, but before they were married, she found out that she was going to have a baby by the Holy Spirit.
SO, MARY IS THE MOTHER OF JESUS. HA, HA, HA... YOU QUOTED THAT JESUS IS THE WORD. SO THE JESUS THE WORD HAS A MOTHER. HA, HA, HA...
“'Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.' Then the Jews said to Him, 'You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?' Jesus said to them, 'Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.' Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple”
(John 8:56-58).
WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT JESUS IS NOT 'I AM' BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS. HA, HA, HA... WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS THAT MARY IS THE MOTHER OF JESUS:
Luke 2:33 And Joseph and HIS MOTHER marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.
Luke 2:34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto MARY HIS MOTHER, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;
John 2:1 And the third day, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee: and THE MOTHER OF JESUS was there.
John 2:3 And the wine failing, THE MOTHER OF JESUS saith to him: They have no wine.
John 2:5 HIS MOTHER saith to the waiters: Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye.
John 19:25-26 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus, HIS MOTHER and HIS MOTHERh's sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalen. When Jesus therefore had seen HIS MOTHER and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to HIS MOTHER: Woman, behold thy son.
HA, HA, HA... IF JESUS IS 'I AM' AND 'THE WORD' THEN MARY IS THE MOTHER OF GOD. HA, HA, HA... ALL THE MORE YOU HELPED US DEFEND OUR FAITH AGAINST YOUR NEWLY INVENTED RELIGIONS. HA, HA, HA...
[Jesus claimed to have seen Abraham and when the Jews questioned Him about His claim to have seen Abraham He said that before Abraham was I AM.]
ReplyDeleteWHETHER JESUS EXISTED IN ETERNITY IS NOT THE ISSUE. THE BIBLE CALLED MARY "THE MOTHER OF JESUS". HA, HA, HA... JESUS HAS A MOTHER. THE ETERNAL KING HAS A MOTHER. HA, HA, HA... THE SON OF GOD HAS A MOTHER. THE LORD JESUS HAS A MOTHER. HA, HA, HA... AND IT IS NOT YOUR MOTHER... HA, HA, HA...
[~Mary is blessed chosen one to gave birth to the messiah, but she’s just an instrument chosen by God and that’s not a key to claim that she’s holy.]
BEING THE MOTHER OF JESUS IS NOT JUST AN INSTRUMENT. THE WORD INSTRUMENT IS USUALLY REFERRED TO LABORATORY MATERIALS THAT IS A PIECE OF GLASS OR A PIECE OF METAL. A HUMAN PERSON IS NOT JUST AN INSTRUMENT. MOTHERS ARE NOT JUST INSTRUMENTS. OUR MOTHERS ARE NOT JUST INSTRUMENTS. THEY ARE MOTHERS. MOTHERS ARE LOVED AND HONORED. JESUS HONORED HIS MOTHER BY FILLING HER WITH GRACE. HE MADE HER BLESSED!
IF MARY IS BLESSED SHE IS HOLY. BLESSEDNESS IS GIVEN TO PEOPLE LIVING IN GOD'S GRACE AND IN WAY OF HOLINESS:
Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Mat 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Mat 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Mat 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Mat 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Mat 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Mat 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven:
[Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as HIS MOTHER MARY was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
HA, HA, HA... THE BIBLE STATES THAT MARY IS THE MOTHER OF JESUS. YET YOU ARE DENYING IT. IT IS YOU WHO IS IN HERESY. YOU ARE A BIBLICAL IDIOT...]
~She’s just an earthly mother and not a mother in spirit,
ReplyDeleteIDIOT. THE BIBLE CALLED MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS NOT 'THE MOTHER OF THE EARTHLY BUT NOT THE SPIRIT OF JESUS'. HA, HA, HA...
WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN SCRIPTURES THAT DOCTRINE THAT MARY IS THE MOTHER OF THE EARTHLY BUT NOT THE SPIRIT OF JESUS? IN FACT, THE BIBLE ATTEST THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT CAME INTO MARY FOR WHICH SHE CONCEIVED JESUS:
Luke 1:35 The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come on you, and God's power will rest upon you. For this reason the holy child will be called the Son of God.
HA, HA, HA... MARY GAVE BIRTH TO A PERSON... TO A HUMAN BEING... SHE IS THE MOTHER OF JESUS NOT JUST OF THE EARTHLY JESUS. HA, HA, HA...
[where can you find it in the scriptures?]
ALREADY GIVEN. WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THAT MARY IS THE MOTHER OF THE EARTHLY BUT NOT THE SPIRIT. HA, HA, HA... SO YOUR MOTHER IS THE MOTHER OF WHAT? SHE IS THE MOTHER OF YOUR EARTHLY... HA, HA, HA... AND YOUR FATHER IS THE FATHER OF THE EARTHLY... HA, HA, HA... YOUR BROTHER IS THE BROTHER OF THE EARTHLY... HA, HA, HA...
[Verse please!]
MARY IS HOLY BECAUSE SHE IS BLESSED BY GOD. SHE IS CHOSEN BY GOD AND SHE IS FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT. UNLIKE YOU AND YOUR MOTHER. MAYBE YOU AND YOUR MOTHER ARE FILLED WITH DEMONIC SPIRITS BECAUSE YOU AND YOUR MOTHER ARE NOWHERE STATED IN THE BIBLE THAT YOU ARE "BLESSED" AND "HIGHLY FAVORED".
[Of course there’s also mary Magdalene in the bible, that verse just clarified that it is not mary Magdalene!]
THE MOTHER OF JESUS IS OBVIOUSLY AND CLEARLY DISTINCT FROM MARY MAGDALENE. MARY MAGDALENE IS SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE AS THE WOMAN OUT OF WHOM 7 DEVILS WHERE EXPULSED BY THE LORD. WITH HIS MOTHER, NO MENTION OF AHY SIN OR VIOLATIONS. SHE IS BLESSED BY GOD AND IS FILLED WITH GOD'S GRACE.
[WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT MARY IS ASLEEP? WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. HA, HA, HA...]
ReplyDelete[~Why? Is mary still alive in her earthly body?]
YOU ARE NOT ANSWERING MY QUESTION. WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THAT MARY IS ASLEEP?
[When we die we are now spirit!]
SO, IF THE DEAD ARE ASLEEP IT MEANS THAT THE SPIRITS ARE ASLEEP? ARE SPIRITS SLEEPING? HOW? DO THEY CLOSE THEIR EYES? THEY NO LONGER HAVE A BODY HOW CAN THEY SLEEP?
HA, HA, HA... WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THAT MARY IS ASLEEP?
“It is the same way with the resurrection of the dead. Our earthly bodies are planted in the ground when we die, but they will be raised to live forever. Our bodies are buried in brokenness, but they will be raised in glory. They are buried in weakness, but they will be raised in strength. They are buried as natural human bodies, but they will be raised as spiritual bodies. For just as there are natural bodies, there are also spiritual bodies.” -1 Cor 15:42-44
HA, HA, HA... THE MORE YOU ARE DESTROYING YOUR POSITION. IT IS NOWHERE STATED THERE THAT "WHEN WE DIE WE WILL FALL ASLEEP". HA, HA, HA... YOUR VERSES DO NOT SUPPORT YOU. YOU ARE MAKING AN IDIOT OUT OF YOURSELF. HA, HA, HA...
[THE GOOD PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED ARE ALIVE IN HEAVENLY BLISS:
ReplyDeleteLuke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.]
[~The richman died and go to hell, where in this scripture you are saying your purgatory thing?]
AH, YOU CANNOT REFUTE MY PROOF THAT THE DEAD ARE ALIVE AND NOT ASLEEP SO YOU ARE RUNNING AWAY TO PURGATORY TO HIDE IN SHAME HA. HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE SHAMELESS... YOU ARE CLEVER AS A SERPENT HA. HA, HA, HA...
“Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented”
[~Abraham is telling to the richman that our chance is in this earth and not after death, nor in purgatory.]
NOW, YOU ARE CHANGING TUNE. YOU ARE ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT ABRAHAM IS ALIVE. HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE A VERY CLEVER SERPENT... AFTER YOU ARE CAUGHT YOU ARE CHANGING TOPIC WITHOUT SHAME... HA, HA, HA...
ARE YOU REALLY ACCEPTING THAT ABRAHAM IS ALIVE AND NOT ASLEEP?
[HA, HA, HA... JESUS SAID THAT THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM SHALL NEVER DIE:
ReplyDeleteJoh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.]
[~Jesus is talking about eternal death which is in hell, for the wages of sin is DEATH but the gift of God is ETENAL LIFE through Jesus Christ, do you know someone in this “generation” lived forever?]
ENOCH AND ELIJAH FOR SURE DIDN'T DIE AND WERE BROUGHT TO HEAVEN ALIVE. SO THEY LIVE FOREVER. HA, HA, HA... MARY AND JOSEPH COULD BE TOO. BECAUSE THERE IS NO BIBLICAL PROOF OR PROOF BEYOND ANY DOUBT THAT THEY DIED. HA, HA, HA...
[And not experienced earthly death?]
DID MARY EXPERIENCE EARTHLY DEATH? WHERE? WHEN? HOW? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. HA, HA, HA...
[Even your popes they experienced eathly death.]
WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE WE ARE THE ONES BURYING THEM. HA, HA, HA...
[Again the problem in your belief is your so literal!]
THE PROBLEM IN YOUR BELIEF IS THAT YOU CANNOT TAKE THE LITERAL BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY VERSE THAT WILL SUPPORT YOUR DOCTRINE SUCH AS THE SPIRITS OF THE DEAD ARE SLEEPING. HA, HA, HA...
WHEN JESUS SAID THAT THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WILL NEVER DIE IT MEANS THAT JESUS WILL GIVE SALVATION TO HIS FAITHFUL ONES. THEY WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE IN HEAVEN.
THE PROBLEM WITH YOUR RELIGION IS THAT IT IS SO STUPID. SALVATION IS EQUAL TO SLEEPING. THE SPIRITS SHALL SLEEP. HA, HA, HA... INSTEAD THE BIBLE SAYS THAT THEY ARE ALIVE. THE LORD WILL GIVE THEM THE FULLNESS OF LIFE, NOT THE FULLNESS OF SLEEP. HA, HA, HA... WHETHER IN LITERAL OR SPIRITUAL SENSE YOUR DOCTRINE IS STUPID. HA, HA, HA... ILLOGICAL AND UNBIBLICAL. HA, HA, HA...
[MARY DEFINITELY BELIEVED FAITHFULLY TO JESUS UNTIL THE END. THUS, SHE IS ALIVE IN CHRIST.]
ReplyDelete~Her earthly body died but her spirit is alive
WHEN DID HER BODY DIE? WHERE? WHEN? HOW? HA, HA, HA... WHERE IS HER BODY? HA, HA, HA... HABEAS CORPUS!
HA, HA, HA... SO YOU ACCEPT THAT THE SPIRIT OF THE DEAD ARE ALIVE. SO IT MEANS THAT THE SPIRIT OF THE RIGHTEOUS AND BLESSED, THE SAINTS, ARE ALIVE. HA, HA, HA... YOU'VE SAID THAT THEY ARE SLEEPING. HA, HA, HA... WHICH IS WHICH... ALIVE OR SLEEPING? SLEEPINGLY ALIVE? HA, HA, HA...
[IDIOT. THE BIBLE STATES THAT JESUS IS GOD AND THE BIBLE ALSO STATES THAT JESUS HAS A MOTHER. THAT IS WORD FOR WORD PROCLAIMED BY THE BIBLE. AND HERE YOU ARE LIKE AN ANIMAL TELLING US THE CONTRARY. HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE NOT ONLY IN HERESY... YOU ARE SPREADING STUPIDITY.]
[The Bible states that before the world begun, Jesus is existed, Yes Jesus has a mother but just an earthly mother, not in spirit,]
HA, HA, HA... THE MOTHERS ARE NOT MOTHERS OF THE SPIRITS OR THE SOULS THEY ARE MOTHER OF THE PERSONS. MARY IS THE MOTHER OF JESUS. IT IS NOWHERE STATED IN THE BIBLE THAT MARY IS THE EARTHLY MOTHER... AND NOBODY TEACHES THAT MARY IS THE MARTIAN MOTHER OR JUPITERIAN MOTHER... HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE SO STUPID. HA, HA, HA...
THE BIBLE SIMPLY CALLS HER: "THE MOTHER OF JESUS" AND "THE MOTHER OF THE LORD". WHICH MEANS MOTHER OF GOD BECAUSE THE LORD IS GOD.
[Where can you find in the Bible you have to pray to Mary?]
I HAVE ALREADY GIVEN. PRAYER CAN BE ADDRESSED TO HUMAN PERSONS. MARY IS HUMAN SO SHE CAN BE REQUESTED FOR PRAYER.
[As I told you she’s just an instrument]
A MOTHER IS NOT JUST AN INSTRUMENT. NO MOTHER IS JUST AN INSTRUMENT. THAT IS INSULTING TO MOTHERS. THEY ARE PERSONS NOT INSTRUMENTS. GOD IS NOT A USER LIKE YOU. OBVIOUSLY YOUR WAY OF THINKING AND YOUR RELIGION CAME FROM THE WEST WHERE PEOPLE ARE USERS. THE BIBLE NEVER CALLED MARY 'JUST AN INSTRUMENT'. WE CALL HER 'THE BLESSED WOMAN', 'THE HIGHLY FAVORED' 'THE BLESSED MOTHER' 'THE VIRGIN MARY'. ALL OF THEM ARE WORD FOR WORD, LITERALLY FROM THE BIBLE.
[and have sinned against the Lord,]
NO VERSE IN THE BIBLE STATES THAT SHE SINNED AGAINST THE LORD. SHE IS BLESSED BY THE LORD AND IS HIGHLY FAVORED OF GOD. GOD DOES NOT FAVOR SINNERS.
[there’s no key to call her Holy Mother of God.]
THE BIBLE CALLED HER "MOTHER OF MY LORD" THAT IS THE KEY TO CALL HER THE MOTHER OF GOD:
"HEAR O ISRAEL, THE LORD ALONE IS OUR GOD"
Deu 6:4 "Israel, remember this! The LORD ---and the LORD alone---is our God.
HA, HA, HA... THAT IS A VERY CLEAR KEY.
[Maybe I’m stupid but I’m not stupid as you!]
I'M FLATTERED. HA, HA, HA... IT IS VERY OBVIOUS THAT YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE ILLOGICAL. YOUR VERSES DO NOT CONTAIN YOUR CLAIMS. HA, HA, HA... LET THE READERS SEE FOR THEMSELVES WHO IS STUPID AMONG US. DON'T WORRY, I WILL PASTE ALL OF THESE IN THE MAIN WALL OF THIS BLOG FOR OTHERS TO ENJOY. HA, HA, HA...
I understand why Father Abe uses strong language for these people. That is just fair. You can hurl grave accusations at us yet we cannot use the word "tanga" or idiot when you twist the bible on your own sick interpretations.
ReplyDeleteGreat job father Abe.. It's ok to use strong language.. So that they may learn a lesson.. I've been reading your comments and your answers all the time.. Now I know why should I pity all born-again and Baptist alike... and now I realize Why'd Born Again, Baptists, INC, Saksi ni Jehova,and etc.. doesn't stay so long in our Barrio or even the whole town...They can never persuade us Catholics because we have a strong foundation of faith... It's ok to tell them that they are tanga or idiot.. because their accusations are naturally Idiotic and Pathetic.. I have a Born Again friend who's not proud Calling herself as Born Again..instead Christian.. So we asked her why, acdg to her she prefered to be called Christian rather than Born Again and that's it.. that only means she's ashame to be called with that name or maybe she thinks someone might refute her since their title is wrong and came from a wrong translation of the bible... ehehehe and everytime we pray she's forbidding us not to pray the OUR FATHER. In my mind that's our Lord's Prayer and why should not pray it??do they mean they're more powerful than Christ? One time, during my college days while sitting in a bench a self-professed Christian approached me, yun pala mangangaral xa,mageevangelize daw..I immediately recognized him as Born Again because of the way he preached.. So,I told him I'm a Christian too,nagalak naman siya..So at the end of our discussion he asked me where Church I attend for worship, then I pointed the big and beautiful Chapel of FEU(FEU is a non-sectarian university, how come we have a huge and beautiful Chapel exclusively for Catholic worshippers), so the joy in his face somewhat turned into gloomy face.you can see that there's a sense of disappointment.Then I gave my points. I told him yeah! I'm a Christian! I'm a Catholic! and I explained that Catholic should not only be taken by name. It has a deeper meaning. Catholic means universal.. Don't you know that Jesus is Catholic? Because Jesus is universal. Therefore, we Catholics Spread Jesus Words Catholicly or universally.. Aba! I was shocked in his comment, ''yeah right, sabagay wala naman sa Religion yan'', parang feeling ko wala na siyang alam sabihin,at sinabi nya na Catholic din daw siya.. ano yun?? sabay bawi?? samantalang ang secta nila, most of our doctrines they reject it..at the end sasabihin niya Catholic din daw siya.. ahahaha
ReplyDeleteAnother, while killing my time in an organization in Guidance office,an org.mate introduced me 2 Koreans.. Christians daw yung mga Koreano.. the Korean asked me if what's the difference between Catholic and Born Again.. I answered them nicely, transparently & with all my knowledge,''the Catholic Church is the true Church founded by Christ and I don't know where the Born Again came from and what I've noticed most of the Gospel interpretations of Born Again are copied from the interpretation of Catholic Church''.. Since they are visitors, with all due respect, I just told them maybe they have similarities in terms of Spreading the good news of Jesus Christ and they're both good when praying.'' hala, ang dalwang Koreans tumawa at di na nakapag english pa, di na nakapgsalita & just left.. ehehe
Euge of Pampanga
Catholic is very Biblical, very wonderful, very colorful and full of Blessings.. Honestly father, I'm fond of watching 700 Club Asia,then I laughed when you sited 700 Club in one of your comments..ehehehhe.. in fact father I ask them to pray for me. It only means that prayers of Humans are also powerful, what more if we ask the prayers of the Saints and Angels in heaven? also I'm sending pledge to them..for me its an act of Charity.. Don't worry father I'm closed and Catholic Defender, I do some Charitable works in my very own Catholic Faith..It only shows that we Catholics are open minded not narrow minded like them, we know how to respect other religion, our Christian Values taught by Catholic Church applies to people with different walks of life. But whenever they have episode of refuting the Images and Mother Mary, I stand firm in my belief that their accusations are wrong..
ReplyDeleteHope you can visit us here in Pampanga and FEU Campus ministry though I already graduated..
God Bless and pray for us.. Full support kami senyo...
Euge of Pampanga
HA, HA, HA... THANK YOU FOR YOUR WONDERFUL MESSAGE EUGE.
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