Monday, June 28, 2010

IS MAN EVIL BY NATURE? IS ORIGINAL SIN A PROOF THAT MAN IS EVIL BY NATURE?

The Lord Jesus forgives the Sinful Woman

Anonymous said...

hi fr. abe. thanks for your explanations!

my main source for warding off uninvited christians-kuno!

pls explain po, is man good or bad by nature? if we are made from the image and likeness of God, then we should be good by nature. ito po ang lagi kong punto.

but then, some protestant colleagues say, man is evil by nature because of the fall of the first man. kaya nga daw tayo may original sin kasi evil ang nature natin. and we always fall into sin as we go on in this world.

pero di po ba ang original sin, hindi naman actual sin? more like deprivation of the kingdom of heaven yun? tama po

June 28, 2010 9:10 AM

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

Dear Anonymous,

[hi fr. abe. thanks for your explanations!]

You are welcome. Praise the Lord for His great love is without end.

[my main source for warding off uninvited christians-kuno!]

Ha, ha, ha...

[pls explain po, is man good or bad by nature? if we are made from the image and likeness of God, then we should be good by nature. ito po ang lagi kong punto.]

Tama. Genesis chapter One categorically and repeatedly stated that God created everything GOOD. And the ultimately created good among His creatures here on earth is THE HUMAN PERSON.

[but then, some protestant colleagues say, man is evil by nature because of the fall of the first man.]

When Man committed sin he lost the state of innocence given by God and it removed him from the state of grace. However, the Bible never stated that since then MAN IS EVIL BY NATURE. O NO. That is only existing in the mind of the Born Again or Protestants because they were poisoned by the heresy of John Calvin. That is not the Biblical teaching.

Man became weak, frail and prone to corruption of sin but he is not by nature evil. Because the Nature of every human person is not created by Satan or by Sin but by GOD. GOD IS OUR CREATOR... GOD IS THE CREATOR OF THE HUMAN RACE. AND GOD SHALL NOT CREATE EVIL. EVERYTHING THAT COMES FROM HIM IS GOOD. So our Nature is still good but there is a taint of Sin or corruption.

The analogy is that of a fruit. There is a part that starts decaying but the rest of the fruit except that small part is still good.

IF MAN IS ALREADY EVIL BY NATURE THEN WE ARE TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY EVIL. WE ARE ALREADY SIMILAR TO THE DEVIL. WE ARE ONLY GOOD FOR DAMNATION.

YET WE KNOW THAT IT IS NOT SO. WE ARE STILL GOOD. WE ARE CAPABLE OF LOVING, DOING GOOD, HELPING OTHERS, WE ARE STILL CAPABLE OF BELIEVING IN GOD AND FOLLOWING HIS WILL THROUGH THE GRACE GOD IS GIVING US.

YES, EVERY GOOD THAT ARE IN US ARE GRACE FROM GOD. THAT IS TRUE. HOWEVER, GRACE BUILDS ON NATURE. LIKE WATER WORKING INSIDE THE WATER TANK. IF THE NATURE OF MAN IS EVIL THEN THERE IS NO WAY FOR THE GRACE OF GOD TO WORK ON IT JUST LIKE IN THE CASE OF LUCIFER AND HIS FALLEN ANGELS.

THE FACT THAT GOD SENT HIS SON TO BE OUR REDEEMER IS PROOF THAT WE ARE NOT EVIL BY NATURE. WE ARE STILL GOOD WHICH MUST BE SAVED FROM THE EVIL THAT IS TRYING TO DOMINATE US.

[kaya nga daw tayo may original sin kasi evil ang nature natin.]

ORIGINAL SIN REFERS ONLY TO THE FACT THAT OUR FIRST PARENTS: ADAM AND EVE SINNED. DUE TO THAT FIRST SIN DEATH ENTERED INTO THE WORLD AND THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE HAVE BEEN TAINTED BY SIN. IT IS NOT INCLUDED IN OUR DOCTRINE OF ORIGINAL SIN THAT ALL MEN HAVE BECOME EVIL BY NATURE. WELL, IF THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE: PROTESTANTS AND BORN AGAIN AND BAPTISTS... LET IT BE SO. AT LEAST IT CAME FROM THEM NOT FROM US. HA, HA, HA...

THAT IS THE CLASSIC CASE OF THE DEVIL CAUGHT IN HIS OWN MOUTH!

[and we always fall into sin as we go on in this world.]

WE ALWAYS FALL INTO SIN BUT WE ARE ALSO EMPOWERED BY GOD'S GRACE TO BE CLEANSED FROM THAT SIN AGAIN AND AGAIN. IF WE ARE EVIL BY NATURE THEN THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN BE CLEANSED BECAUSE WHAT IS EVIL IS NOT JUST ACCIDENTAL TO OUR BEING BUT ESSENTIAL TO IT. THE FACT THAT JESUS CAN REMOVE OUR SINS THEN SIN IS NOT ROOTED IN OUR NATURE.

IF EVIL IS ROOTED IN OUR NATURE THEN IN ORDER TO CLEANSE US FROM OUR SIN JESUS MUST REMOVE OR DESTROY FIRST OUR NATURE. NO, NO, NO... JESUS DIDN'T REMOVE THE HUMAN NATURE OF THE WOMAN CAUGHT IN ADULTERY WHEN HE FORGIVE HER. JESUS DDIN'T REMOVE THE NATURE OF SAUL WHEN HE FORGIVE HIM. THE SAME WITH PETER AND THE REST OF THE APOSTLES AND ALL THE SINNERS WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN REMOVED.

OBVIOUSLY, MARY MAGDALEN, PETER AND PAUL WERE HUMAN IN NATURE PRIOR TO THE FORGIVENESS OF JESUS AND THEY REMAINED HUMAN AFTER BEING CLEANSED FROM THEIR SINS.

THE PROBLEM WITH THE BORN AGAIN AND BAPTISTS IS THAT FOR THEM, THEY ARE NOT REALLY CLEANSED OF SINS... THEY ARE DUNGHILL COVERED WITH SNOW. GOSH, THEY ARE ROTTEN REALLY BY NATURE. THEY ARE EXCREMENTS OF COWS AND HORSES DEEP INSIDE.

[pero di po ba ang original sin, hindi naman actual sin?]

YES.

[more like deprivation of the kingdom of heaven yun? tama po]

YES. ALSO, IT MEANS THAT THE PERSON IS AFFECTED BY SIN AND IS PRONE TO SIN AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THE SIN OF OUR FIRST PARENTS. THE HUMAN PERSON IS SUSCEPTIBLE AND CAPABLE OF SINNING.

June 28, 2010 9:57 AM

10 comments:

  1. darkness dont exist, it is just the absence of light. cold exist in the absence of heat . then evil exist in the absence of goodness.

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  2. is reincarnation true?

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  3. NO. WE CATHOLICS DO NOT BELIEVE IN REINCARNATION. THAT IS A PAGAN AND NEW AGE TEACHING. WE BELIEVE THAT WHEN A PERSON DIES HIS SOUL RETURNS FOR THE JUDGMENT OF GOD AND DOES NOT ENTER INTO THE BODY OF ANOTHER PERSON. THE BIBLE IS CLEAR ON THAT.

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  4. [darkness dont exist, it is just the absence of light. cold exist in the absence of heat . then evil exist in the absence of goodness.]

    CORRECT. VERY GOOD PHILOSOPHY. THAT IS EXACTLY HOW ST. THOMAS EXPLAINED THE EXISTENCE OF EVIL. EVIL IS A PRIVATION. IT EXISTS AS AN ABSENCE OF GOOD THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. EVIL REQUIRES A GOOD TO ADHERE TO AND SO IT CANNOT EXIST ON ITS OWN. BUT GOOD EXISTS AS ITS OWN. IT DOES NOT RELY ON EVIL IN ORDER TO EXISTS OR SURVIVE.

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  5. good day father may mga katanungan lang ako poh kasi po may isa akong kaibigan nagsabi na saint francis pray for us!!now somebody answering this>>>Saint Francis can't hear your prayers because he is dead. It is written
    Ecclesiastes 9:5 (King James Version)
    9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

    9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
    then:You are being lied to. Your prayers are being directed away from the one true living God, down into the Pit where no one can hear them. Don't pray to dead saints or dead Mary, Pray to the living God through Jesus Christ if you wish to be heard. Time is short.
    God Bless.
    father curious lang po ako kasi he is pope sicola on facebook di ko maintindihan kung protestante siya kasi naka attire naman siya as a pope,,
    information: I was born a Catholic and raised an atheist. One day I read the bible and discovered many biblical truths. I started to keep the Sabbath. I went to the SDA church for 9 months and found they weren't much different to Catholics.

    Luke 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray ONE AN SDA, THE OTHER A SUNDAY KEEPER
    18:11 The SDA stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I GO TO CHURCH ON SABBATH BUT KILL PEOPLE IN WAR, NOT EAT PORK, NOT DRINK WINE, VERY GOODY, GOOD AND am not as other men [are], or even SUNDAY KEEPER.
    18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. I GO SABBATH CLUB WEEKLY.
    18:13 And the SUNDAY KEEPER, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as [his] eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a SUNDAY KEEPER ON THE BRINK OF RECEIVING THE MARK OF THE BEAST.
    18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified [rather] than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted

    pope sicola notes:

    Catholic martyrs killed at hand of SDA! Many Catholic die in ww1 and ww2 by SDA Nazi's who love war. kill! kill! kill! not only blame papacy for dark ages.

    In 1940, referring to Hitler, it was written by the SDA church: “We thank God for the wise and powerful head of state He gave to the German people. The Lord of history did not want us to slide more into the abyss, as it happened after the world war we lost. That is the reason why He sent us a savior who was chosen to lead our people through the hardest trials with such successful efforts that have cost but a few blood sacrifices, contrary to every historical experience. Last year, the life of the ‘Führer’ was blessed with great success. And now we want to gather together to ask God to give him His blessing also in this new year. … Oh Lord, we are ready to pray and work…” (German Adventist Magazine Adventbote, April 15, 1940).
    “Considering the statement of the fifth congress of the Seventh Day Adventists in which our relation to the Russian government was clearly stated, the sixth federal congress of the Seventh Day Adventists decides that Seventh Day Adventists have the duty to give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and to God what is God’s. This means they should comply with the civil and military service in all their forms, according to the constitu tion that is valid for each citizen. Whoever teaches something different and does not require the fulfillment of his duty before the government, will be considered by this congress as a heretic who does not acknowledge the teachings of the Scriptures and the unity of the church of God and places himself outside the organization of the Seventh Day Adventists.” (Alf Lohne, Adventists in Russia, p. 118).father isa po ba siyang seventh day adventist kaya SDA kung ma view niyo po siya sa facebook,,,,,

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  6. Dear Fr. Abe,

    Nais lang po akong maki-share tungkol sa same sex marriage ,
    Ang alam ko po pag-may mga activities ou rally tungkol sa ganyang
    Mga asunto ang HUMAN RIGHTS group ang nagunguna sa caso na ito.
    Ibig kong sabihin suporta sila ,
    Palagay kop o hindi tama ang HUMAN RIGHTS groups lalo na sa mga catholics
    Human rights activies,
    Yong same –sex na mga tao na yan ay walang karapatan ,

    Bakit ang HUMAN RIGHTS group susuporta sila ? dapat hindi ,
    Magiging human rights on a wrong way, bakit po ?
    Kasi ang BABAE nagiging lalakI , or ang LALAKI nagiging babae
    Wala sa tama di ba ?, ang babae ay walang RIGHTS na maging Lalaki at
    Ang LALAKI ay wala rin RIGHTS na maging Babae,
    Kung tutu-usin , nagiging violation sa dios , kasi sabi ng dios go to the world and multiply , dib a?,, at talagang tama na marriage on opposite sex.
    Ang saklap lang marami rin segurong HUMAN RIGHTS activies na mga catolico
    Dapat hindi rin sila sang-ayon sa reason ng mga same sex marriage.
    Laganap na rin ang same sex nay an sa MEXICO at PORTUGAL na catholic countries meron na rin .
    A woman has no rights to be man and a man has no right reason to be as a woman in marriage.
    Ok lang kung ang tao ay naging bakla or lesbian
    Pero ang ang kasal ay dapat opposite sex.

    Yan lang po at salamat
    Anonymous SAB

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  7. Is reincarnation true?

    No, what we believe as a Catholic is after death the individual judgment will follow.
    Heb 9:27Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
    Ecc 12:7 and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

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  8. Dear SAB,

    Ang Same Sex Union or Marriage ay labag sa Biblia at sa aral ng Dios. Ito ay labag sa turo ng Iglesia Catolica. Kaya ang Catholic Church opposed diyan.

    Dito sa Pilipinas hindi pwede yan kasi Catholic nation tayo e. SA U.S., BRITAIN NAUSO YAN AT LEGAL NA SA KANILA KASI PROTESTANTS SILA HINDI CATHOLIC. Sa kanila din nagmula ang Abortions at Contraceptions, pati Pornography, etc.

    Marami sa mga Human Rights activists ay hindi Catolico kundi mga Comunista na atheists. Kaya suportive sila diyan.

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  9. good day father may mga katanungan lang ako poh kasi po may isa akong kaibigan nagsabi na saint francis pray for us!!now somebody answering this>>>Saint Francis can't hear your prayers because he is dead. It is written
    Ecclesiastes 9:5 (King James Version)
    9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

    9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
    then:You are being lied to. Your prayers are being directed away from the one true living God, down into the Pit where no one can hear them. Don't pray to dead saints or dead Mary, Pray to the living God through Jesus Christ if you wish to be heard. Time is short.
    God Bless.

    DEAR ANONYMOUS, ANG KAMATAYAN NA TINUTUKOY SA ECCLESIASTES 9:5-6 AY TUMUTUKOY SA KAMATAYAN NG KATAWANG LUPA. NA TALAGANG NATUTUNAW AT NAWAWALANG NG BUHAY. SUBALIT ANG KALULUWA NG TAO AY BUHAY PA RIN:

    Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

    YOU SEE IN FEW PAGES ONLY IT EXPLAINS THAT THE BODY DECAYS BUT THE SPIRIT IS ALIVE AND IT ACTUALLY RETURNS TO GOD. WE HAVE MANY PROOF THAT THE SOULS OF THE DEAD ARE ALIVE:

    1. MOSES AND ELIJAH ARE ALIVE

    Mar 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

    NAMATAY SI MOISES SA MOAB AT ANG BANGKAY AY INILIBING SA MOUNT NEBO [DEUTERONOMY 34:5] SUBALIT SA TRANSFIGURATION OF JESUS SIYA AY LUMITAW NA BUHAY AT KAUSAP SI JESUS.

    2. BUHAY SI ABRAHAM, ANG PULUBI AT ANG MAYAMANG PAWANG MGA PATAY NA.

    Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
    Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
    Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
    Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
    Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
    Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

    PATIKIM PA LANG YAN. MADAMI PANG TALATA SHOWING THE DEAD ARE ALIVE IN THE AFTER-LIFE.

    father curious lang po ako kasi he is pope sicola on facebook di ko maintindihan kung protestante siya kasi naka attire naman siya as a pope,,
    information: I was born a Catholic and raised an atheist. One day I read the bible and discovered many biblical truths. I started to keep the Sabbath. I went to the SDA church for 9 months and found they weren't much different to Catholics.

    I HOPE YOU WILL BECOME CATHOLIC. WE ARE THE TRUE CHURCH. ANG SDA IS INVENTED ONLY BY ELLEN GOULD WHITE.

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  10. Why do we always sin?
    ...It is our human nature & we are weak, but yet Saints are also human
    ....We sin because we rather choose to do it than fearing God
    ....We are prone to sin because the Holy Spirit is not always within us & even ignore it in times of temptation
    ....The lesser we do good prayers, the more we are attracted to sin
    ....Everyday we commit sin, but we are not interested in dealing with it.

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