The Holy Spirit in Stained Glass
Ateo said...
I don't understand why you claimed that "abortion is legal in the Protestant world". There could be a risk in committing falsehood if your unintended message was to imply that abortion is not legal in the "Catholic world". From what I know, abortion is legal in Italy, in Spain, and in France, which are the traditional "Catholic world".
July 19, 2010 7:51 AM
Fr. Abe, CRS said...
It is a fact that Abortion and Contraception originated from Protestant countries where they became legally accepted and promoted. Protestant sects and churches accepted them and in fact, they even accepted on official basis Same-Sex marriage by having OFFICIALLY ordained active homosexuals.
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ON THE OTHER HAND OPPOSED ABORTION, CONTRACEPTION AND SAME SEX MARRIAGE THUS MAKING OUR CHURCH THE NUMBER ONE ENEMY OF THE PROMOTERS OF THESE ABOMINATIONS.
Abortion became legal in Spain, in Italy and in France NOT BECAUSE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ACCEPTED IT BUT BECAUSE THE PROTESTANTS, THE ATHEISTS, THE AGNOSTICS, THE MASONS, THE COMMUNISTS AND THE NEW AGERS JOINED FORCES TO DEFEAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN THE CONGRESSES AND COURTS OF THESE COUNTRIES.
In these countries, hundreds of thousands of Catholics are rallying each year to condemn abortions. In Spain, more than a million rally every year to condemn and oppose Abortion policies of anti Catholic Zapatero.
HERE IS THE LIST OF YOUR KIND WHO SUPPORTED ABORTION:
Pro-choice groups:
Liberal and some mainline denominations: In general, these either promote a woman's right to choose an abortion, or are relatively silent on the matter. A number of liberal and mainline Christian and Jewish faith groups and organizations have publicly stated that abortions are sometimes an acceptable option, and SHOULD REMAIN LEGAL. According to lists prepared by The Secular Web and the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, they include, in alphabetic order:
American Baptist Churches-USA (see below),
American Ethical Union,
American Friends (Quaker) Service Committee,
American Jewish Committee,
American Jewish Congress,
Central Conference of American Rabbis,
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ),
Council of Jewish Federations,
Episcopal Church (USA),
Federation of Reconstructionist Congregations and Havurot,
Moravian Church in America-Northern Province,
Na'Amat USA,
National Council of Jewish Women,
Presbyterian Church (USA),
Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice,
Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints,
Union of American Hebrew Congregations,
Unitarian Universalist Association,
United Church of Christ,
United Methodist Church,
United Synagogue for Conservative Judaism.
Cf. http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_hist1.htm
THE PROBLEM WITH YOU IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A SINGLE AUTHORITY TO DECIDE FOR YOUR CHURCHES. THUS, DECISIONS ARE MADE INDEPENDENTLY BY EACH GROUP AND MANY OF THEM 'OFFICIALLY' EMBRACED ABORTION, CONTRACEPTION AND SAME-SEX MARRIAGE. INCLUDING BORN AGAIN GROUPS AND YOUR BELOVED BAPTIST CHURCHES. HA, HA, HA...
July 19, 2010 11:44 AM
Ateo said...
Oops, Father. As my name implies, I am in fact an atheist... a godless atheist, so like you I also think of the Protestants as, er, misguided. But in fairness to them, the Evangelical movement is progressing quite well in all Catholic countries, particularly in Latin America. In the entire Latin America, social progress is progressing rather well despite the Catholic Church's shrill protestations. Chile has just legalized its divorce (making the Philippines the only country in the entire planet not to have a legal divorce); and Argentina, of course, just legalized its same-sex marriages. Catholicism is retreating, Father.
July 19, 2010 12:29 PM
Fr. Abe, CRS said...
I'm glad to know that you are an atheist. But I doubt it. Bereans people are famous for their lies and deceits. They are pretending to be atheists, orthodox, jew, etc. and from time to time are changing their code name. So, your being an atheist is suspect.
[But in fairness to them, the Evangelical movement is progressing quite well in all Catholic countries, particularly in Latin America.]
The Catholic Church is progressing very well in Protestant countries like the United States and in Great Britain. We are converting their best of the best thinkers and from a tiny minority we have become the biggest single group in the United States with adult Baptism of about 350,000 a year. In Britain we are the fastest growing Church.
When we lost part of Europe we gained the Latin America. We loose some we win more.
[In the entire Latin America, social progress is progressing rather well despite the Catholic Church's shrill protestations.]
Social progress in those areas occured during the height of Catholic dominations. Mexico and Argentina became prominent countries in the world during their Catholic days. In fact, Mexico used to host the Olympic games and was considered as one of the developing nations of the world. Its economy declined when Mexico became anti-Catholic and martyred our priests and missionaries. YOUR FELLOW ATHEISTS [IF YOU REALLY ARE] KILLED OUR MEMBERS AND BURNED OUR CHURCHES UNTIL RECENTLY THE PRIESTS IN MEXICO WERE PROHIBITED TO WEAR EVEN THEIR COSSACK AND CLERICAL COLLAR. That is how nice atheists are. They are so kind as to murder the believers of God.
YOUR SO CALLED SOCIAL PROGRESS IS ACTUALLY SUCCUMBING TO THE STUPIDITIES OF COMMUNISTS WHO ARE ATHEISTS LIKE YOU. Now, the biggest Catholic nation on earth Brazil is preparing to host both the WORLD CUP 2014 and the SUMMER OLYMPICS 2016. She got the Olympic slot by defeating Chicago which was personally promoted by Mr. and Mrs. Barrack-Michelle Obama.
[Chile has just legalized its divorce (making the Philippines the only country in the entire planet not to have a legal divorce); and Argentina, of course, just legalized its same-sex marriages.]
THE ATHEISTS COMMUNISM PROMISED TO GIVE CATHOLICISM HER DEATHLY BLOW BUT WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE CONTRARY. COMMUNISM FELL APART INSTEAD. IT WAS VOMITED BY POLAND, RUSSIA ITSELF AND THE EASTERN COUNTRIES AS WELL AS VIETNAM. YOUR ATHEISTIC-COMMUNISM FELL LIKE DOMINOES. HA, HA, HA...
Now, the remnant of the atheistic monster is re-appearing in different forms and like the first time it appears to be winning. WELL, WE ARE ONCE AGAIN PREPARING FOR AN ALL OUT WAR WITH YOU AND YOUR LIKES. AND LET US SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN THEN. WE WERE ALWAYS VICTORIOUS AGAINST YOU. NOT BECAUSE YOU ARE WINNING SOMETHING YOU CAN ALREADY DEFEAT CATHOLICISM. NO, NO, NO... WE ARE READY FOR YOU.
[Catholicism is retreating, Father.]
WE ARE ALWAYS RETREATING FROM TIME TO TIME. WHEN YOUR ANCESTORS THE PAGANS OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE WERE FEEDING OUR CATHOLIC ANCESTORS TO THE LIONS IN THE AMPHITEATER OF THE PAGAN ROME WE WERE THOUGHT TO BE FINISHED. BUT GRADUALLY THE PEOPLE CONVERTED TO CATHOLICISM THROUGH THE POWERFUL TESTIMONY OF FAITH BY OUR MEMBERS.
DURING THE BARBARIAN INVASIONS THE CHURCH WAS THOUGHT TO BE AT ITS END. YET OUR MISSIONARIES CONVERTED THE BARBARIANS AND TRANSFORED THEM INTO CIVILIZED PEOPLE. WE EDUCATED THEM BY BUILDING THE UNIVERSITIES AND STARTED THE SYSTEM OF EDUCATION THAT IS STILL EFFECTIVE UNTIL NOW.
THE SAME STORY DURING THE SOVIET EMPIRE AND IT WILL BE THE SAME TODAY.
WE ARE USED TO RETREATS AND DEFEATS AND WE ARE USED TO VICTORIES AS WELL. ATHEISM IS THE LEAST OF OUR WORRIES BECAUSE IT IS AN EMPTY PHILOSOPHY. IT CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN GOD. WE DON'T NEED YOU BUT YOU NEED US IN ORDER TO HAVE SOMETHING TO DENY.
July 19, 2010 1:46 PM
Ateo said...
No, Father Abe, hindi po ako Berean. Teka, papaano mo nalaman na doon ako sa Berean site nanggagaling? Seguro myembro ka doon ano? Ikaw ba si Roman_Cat o si Gordon? Curious!
But I am really an atheist even if you doubted it. The true test of an atheist is the so-called Luke12:10 test: reject tne Holy Spirit and you could not be pardoned even if you change your mind. Well, I therefore reject Him. That's it.
Btw, thanks for your interesting blogs and for your time in responding to my posts.
July 20, 2010 8:05 AM
Fr. Abe, CRS said...
[No, Father Abe, hindi po ako Berean.]
I BELIEVE YOU NOW BECAUSE I'VE BEEN INFORMED THAT YOU WERE EXPELLED FROM BEREANS BECAUSE YOU INSISTED ON DISCUSSING THE PASTOR JUNNY SCANDAL - "L'Affair Pegasus" wherein the 'good' pastor was caught in photographs posted in You Tube enjoying the 'Bar' Pegasus. WELL, THEY ARE LIKE THAT. ONCE THEIR NERVES ARE TOUCHED THEY CRINGED TO THEIR GRAVES.
[Teka, papaano mo nalaman na doon ako sa Berean site nanggagaling? Seguro myembro ka doon ano?]
Because I have a lot of friends active there and of course I was visiting it from time to time especially when I debated Rodimus and Living Grace here in this Blog in a DO or DIE, Credebility Shattering Modes, he, he, he... which ended with Rodimus apologizing for his lies and deceits after he was found out to be IGNORANT of NEW TESTAMENT GREEK but PRETENDING TO BE SO ERUDITE IN IT. In effect, his original Blog closed with his shameful admission. Ha, ha, ha...
Living Grace or John Joseph Ras in real life challenged me in Predestination Debate with assurance that he will teach me proper theology. Ha, ha, ha... the idiot proved to be ignorant of Calvin's Writings as well as that of Augustine and Thomas Aquinas which he claimed to have known thoroughly. Ha, ha, ha... These ignoramuses have the courage to run forums despite the fact that they are only making a mockery of their own faith.
[Ikaw ba si Roman_Cat o si Gordon? Curious!]
NO. I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THE BEREANS FORUM. BUT I AM A GOOD FRIEND OF CATHOLIC PHILOSOPHER AND FLEWEN. AND ALSO I AM THE MENTOR OF KAPATAS WHO IS NOW A CATHOLIC APOLOGIST IN HIS OWN RIGHT. KAPATAS IS THE SECONDARY OWNER OF THIS BLOG AND HE HAS SOME MATERIALS POSTED HERE.
[But I am really an atheist even if you doubted it.]
GLAD TO KNOW THAT.
[The true test of an atheist is the so-called Luke12:10 test: reject tne Holy Spirit and you could not be pardoned even if you change your mind. Well, I therefore reject Him. That's it.]
SO LET IT BE THEN IF THAT IS YOUR CHOICE. BUT YOUR QUOTE OR PARAPHRASE OF LUKE 2:10 IS WRONG. THERE IS NO "even if you change your mind" IN THE REAL BIBLE VERSE.
[Btw, thanks for your interesting blogs and for your time in responding to my posts.]
YOU ARE WELCOME AND IT IS MY PLEASURE TO EXCHANGE IDEAS WITH YOUR KIND.
July 20, 2010 8:51 AM
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ReplyDeleteTo Mr. Atheist,
ReplyDeleteDon't you know that atheism can also be a proof for the existence of God? Allow me to briefly explain it.
Granting without admitting that God does not exist, if God indeed does not exist then there is no reason for rejecting His existence or becoming an atheist. Otherwise a person who rejects the existence of a being that does not exist is making a fool out of himself and is not using his logic and intellect. hence if God does not exist and atheist rejects His existence then atheists are the most illogical people on earth. Imagine that, you would be denying the existence of a being that does not really exist that is tantamount to rejecting the existence of a four sided circle! (There is no four sided circle thus there is no reason for rejecting that there is one).Now for atheist rejection of God to be acceptable in the laws of logic, God must necessarily exist in order for the atheist rejection of God to be a valid premise. Now the big question is which one are you?
1. The illogical atheist who denies the existence of an inexistent being?
or
2. The logical atheist who denies the existence of a greater being that exist?
Well, I'm so eager to read Ateo's response to your comment Bro. Isahel.
ReplyDeleteThey think they look smart if they deny the existence of God. They read books of atheist philosophers like Nietzhe, trying to make an impression of their imaginative superiority over others. What a poor attempt to popularity!
ReplyDeleteAtheists are not attempting to be popular. Why did Mr. Anonymous think so? Being an atheist would make one very unpopular to voters, to religious in-laws, to girlfriends and to officemates. Being an atheist is being true to what one thinks.
ReplyDeleteNow on Isahel, I would say that he too is an atheist as far as other Gods are concerned. He rejected Allah, he rejected Jupiter and he rejected Brahma, all of which are Gods. He even rejected Bathala, the God of our Pinoy ancestors. The same logic that Isahel used to reject all these hundreds of Gods is the same logic that I use too. I just went one step further, I rejected all Gods, while he retained one God.
Thank you, Father, for dedicated a blog to me.
You are welcome Ateo.
ReplyDeleteI will let Bro. Isahel respond to your comment on what he posted. You owe it to each other. But do you think you have responded to his arguments? It seems that you didn't address what he presented.
Well, I leave that for others to comment on.
The post was made not because I'm singling you out. We are exchanging ideas on Bible-Atheism thing. These exchanges must be read by more people. I'ts fair naman because all your words are intact.
I did the same thing for other exchanges. Because if they are merely keep in the comment sections they will have lesser viewership.
No, I did not mind that you created a blog on me. It is okay.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, if you would have a blog on atheism, we can exchange ideas there in a more organized manner.
Thank you. How nice of you.
ReplyDeleteI will let Bro. Isahel and others respond here because we have our own original post. Let us continue the discussion there.
To Ateo,
ReplyDelete[Now on Isahel, I would say that he too is an atheist as far as other Gods are concerned. He rejected Allah, he rejected Jupiter and he rejected Brahma, all of which are Gods. He even rejected Bathala, the God of our Pinoy ancestors.]
1. Ateo you misrepresented my argument. I did not argue that a person becomes an atheist by rejecting God. Rather I presented an argument that atheistic ideology could be used to confirm that God exist. read my previous post and answer my question.
1. The illogical atheist who denies the existence of an inexistent being?
or
2. The logical atheist who denies the existence of a greater being that exist?
It seems that you are avoiding to address my argument and answer the question I posted to you.
[The same logic that Isahel used to reject all these hundreds of Gods is the same logic that I use too. I just went one step further, I rejected all Gods, while he retained one God.]
Ateo you did not even grasp the philosophical argument that I've used and now you're telling me that you are using the same logic that I used?! You're rejection of God leads you into a dilemma, are you the illogical atheist who rejects the existence of inexistent being? or the logical atheist that rejects the existence of a greater being that exist?
I did not reject nor accept the existence of pagan gods, why? Because there is no need for me to reject the existence of inexistent being(s).
huh!?!
ReplyDeleteWHAT DO YOU MEAN BY HUH!?! IS THERE ANY SCIENTIFIC MEANING FOR THAT?
ReplyDeleteDamaso. That's the new/old monicker for the Philippine RCC. Tama na kasi ang pakialam sa pamamahala ng bansa.
ReplyDeleteANG KAPAL NG MUKHA MO ATEO.
ReplyDeleteKAYONG MGA ATEISTA ANG MGA INUTIL AT WALANG PAKINABANG SA LIPUNAN. KAYO ANG MGA AHAS SA GOBIERNO.
ANG PERA NG GOBIERNO GALING SA TAXES NG MGA CATOLICO. HINDI SA MGA HAYUP NA KATULAD NYONG MGA ATEISTA.
Fr can you prove to me the existence of God in layman's term? yung? na iintindihan ng ordinary person. Yung logical ha... lets see if i will be convinced with your logil. Amaze me Fr...
ReplyDeleteATEO AFTER SHOUTING 'DAMASO' HERE DO YOU THINK I STILL HAVE AN IOTA OF RESPECT FOR YOU.
ReplyDeleteMR. CELDRAN INHUMANELY INSULTED OUR PEACEFUL BISHOPS AND PRIESTS WORSHIPPING INSIDE THE MANILA CATHEDRAL. THEN YOU WILL DARE POST THAT THING HERE IN MY BLOG.
YOU ANIMAL. I AM NOT A SPANIARD, I AM A FILIPINO. AND I NEVER SIRED A CHILD IN THE DARK AS DAMASO DID. LIKE MR. CELDRAN, YOU ARE FIRST-RATE ANIMALS WHO DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO RESPECT PEACEFUL PEOPLE.
SINCE YOU ARE A VISITOR I AM GIVING YOU THE HONOR TO PROVE TO ME THAT THERE IS NO GOD. IN A LANGUAGE UNDERSTANDABLE IN LAYMAN'S TERM. THEN I SHALL SEE IF YOU CAN CONVINCE ME.
Naku Fr., ginawan kayo ng thread sa bereans ni Ateo. Hindi daw niya kayo aatrasan sakaling pumunta kayo sa bereans. Hindi siguro makaporma dito sa blog nyo kaya naglalabas ng sama ng loob sa kabila. Naghahanap pa ata ng sympathizers. ha ha ha
ReplyDeleteAteo, hindi lahat ng pari nung panahon ni Rizal eh katulad ni Damaso. Meron ding tulad ni Padre Florentino, na kung hindi mo alam eh syang pari na kumupkop kay Simoun aka Crisostomo Ibarra, umakay sa kanya sa tamang landas at nagbigay sa kanya ng sakramento ng kumpisal sa pagtatapos ng El Filibusterismo. Yung galit mo sa Simbahang Katoliko ang bumubulag sa iyo eh. Tanggapin mo na lang ang katotohanan na wala talaga kayong pakinabang na mga ateista kayo. Wala kayong naiambag dito sa Pilipinas.
HA, HA, HA... BALIW PALA ANG CONDOMNISTA NA IYAN. HA, HA, HA... LAHAT NG DEBATE NAMIN E TINAKASAN NIYA. BASAHIN NYO ANG MGA ITO:
ReplyDeletehttp://thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com/search/label/Atheism
NAKU, BOBO YAN. NAGPAPAPANSIN LANG YAN. ABA'Y GINAYA BA NAMAN SI CELDRAN AT NAG 'DAMASO' DITO. E DI TINURING KO SIYANG ASO.
KUNG GUSTO NYANG IGALANG SIYA MATUTO SIYANG GUMALANG. TRAIDOR ANG HAYUP NA YAN. AHAS. BAKIT BINUNTIS KO BA ANG KAPATID NIYA PARA TAWAGIN NYA AKONG DAMASO. HA, HA, HA...
Nagreact sina Ateo at ang kanyang mga symphatizers dahil tinawag nyo daw siyang hayup. Nagmumura na daw kayo. Aba, eh talagang salat sa aral etong si Ateo eh. Hindi nagbabasa ng bibliya.
ReplyDeleteAteo, alam mo ba tawag ng bibliya sa mga taong umaalipusta sa mga bagay na hindi nila nalalaman? Eto basahin mo ng mahimasmasan ka.
2 Pedro 2:12
Datapuwa't ang mga ito, na gaya ng mga kinapal na walang bait, NA IPINANGANAK NA TALAGANG MGA HAYOP upang hulihin at lipulin, na nagsisialipusta sa mga bagay na hindi nila nalalaman ay walang pagsalang lilipulin sa kanila ring pagkalipol.
Sabi ng bible, talagang mga hayop ang mga taong walang magawa kundi mang alipusta ng mga bagay na hindi nila nalalaman. Mura na ba yan? Termino ng bibliya yan eh. Hindi mura yan. Akmang-akma nga saiyo eh. Hobby mo kasi mang alipusta sa simbahang katoliko gayung alam naman natin na salat ka sa aral.
HA, HA, HA... TALAGANG HAYOP SIYA. IMAGINE MO MAG PO POST SIYA NG DAMASO SA AKIN. BAKIT SINO ANG BABAENG GINAHASA KO?
ReplyDeleteBAGO SIYA MAGSABI NG 'DAMASO' TIGNAN NYA MUNA KUNG NAMUHAY AKO NG BUHAY PANG 'DAMASO'.
TALAGANG HAYOP SIYA. KUNG TAO SIYA HINDI NYA GAGAWIN IYON.
I suggest also that Fr. Abe must join BARM for the sake of fair argumentation. If there's nothing to worry about then Fr. Abe must give chance to Ateo in an open discussion which is very accessible by others. It would be so easy to reply point by point or you can go in one on one debate. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteMarcCatholic
nakaka init ng bangs. matagal na akong tambay ng bereans at iba pang mga forums/blogs. ngayon ko lang nalaman na doon lang pala si ateo magaling. idol ko nga yan noon doon sa kabila. kaibigang ateo, di pa naman cguro huli ang lahat na mag balik loob. madilim dyan sa dating landas na tinahak natin.
ReplyDeletesalamat sa blog na ito. ayoko na maging atheist! sa kakabasa ko ng blog na ito, halos lahat ng dating katanungan noong atheist pa ako nasagot ng maliwanag ng blog nyo Fr. at gusto ko nang bumalik sa ating simbahan. sana may kapatawaran pang nahahain ang Dios para sa akin.. please pray for me Fr. Abe. thanks.
I believe in God, the Father almighty creator of heaven and earth and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into hell. On the third day he rose again from the dead. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of God, the Father almighty. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen!
SA ARAW NA ITO TINATAPOS KO NA ANG AKING PAGIGING ATHEIST!!
Naku Ateo, wag ka nang magpalusot. Attacking the church is an affront to its members, especially to its leaders. Yung termino mong damaso eh patungkol talaga sa mga pari. Alangan namang nung sinabi mong damaso ang monicker ng RCC eh pinupuri mo pa si Fr. Abe? Hwag mo nga kaming utuin.
ReplyDeleteTsaka kung tinawag ka mang "bobo" eh ginagamit lang ni Fr. Abe yung termino ng bibliya na reserved para sa mga tulad mong ateista:
Awit 14:1
Ang mangmang ay nagsabi sa kaniyang puso, walang Dios: sila'y nangapapahamak, sila'y nagsigawa ng kasuklamsuklam na mga gawa; walang gumagawa ng mabuti,
Talagang bibliya mismo nagsasabi na yung mga walang diyos na gaya mo eh mangmang. Ano synonym ng mangmang? Eh di bobo. Kabobohan kasi na hindi mo kilalanin ang Diyos na may likha ng lahat eh. Kaya ikaw etong madrama masyado. Pati writing style ng iba eh pinuproblema mo. lolz
Yung sinasabi mong tigilan na ng simbahan ang pakikialam sa pamamahala ng bansa, well kung hindi nakialam ang simbahan noon sa rehimeng Marcos, walang demokrasya sa Pilipinas. May pakialam ang simbahan kasi miyembro niya ang involved. Tsaka yung mga leaders ng simbahan eh mga mamamayan din ng Pilipinas na mayroong mga political rights. So may kalayaan sila na magpahayag ng kanilang mga saloobin. Gusto mo lang ata kayong mga ateista lang ang may boses sa gobyerno eh.
DEAR FORMER ATHEIST NA NAGBALIK SA PANGINOONG DIOS. PLEASE DON'T BE AFRAID TO REVEAL YOUR IDENTITY OR YOUR I.D. NAME IN BEREANS. PARA MAGING MAS MABISA ANG IYONG PAGSAKSI SA KADAKILAAN NG DIOS.
ReplyDeletePURIHIN ANG PANGINOON NGAYON AT MAGPAKAILANMAN. AMEN.
Hindi po ata lumabas ang aking reply father? Sana po ay sumali na kayo sa BARM. Salamat po. MarcCatholic
ReplyDeleteMARC, THERE IS NO NEED FOR ME TO GO TO BARM BECAUSE THERE ARE ENOUGH CATHOLIC APOLOGISTS THERE TO EXPLAIN AND DEFEND THE CATHOLIC FAITH. IT IS NOT MY DUTY TO BE PRESENT IN ALL FORUMS. NOW IF THE BARM WANTS TO COME HERE THEY ARE WELCOME.
ReplyDeleteAS REGARDS ATEO. THE MOMENT HE DID HERE WHAT MR. CELDRAN DID IN THE MANILA CATHEDRAL HE LOST ANY RESPECT WHATSOEVER FROM ME. HE IS NO LONGER WORTHY TO RECEIVE OUR ATTENTION. OUR SEVERAL EXCHANGES IN THE PAST ARE RECORDED AND ARE POSTED HERE. LET THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED READ THEM.
Greetings Father,
ReplyDeleteMy name is Charity also at that berean forum – Yidda(handle name) short for Sayyida which means Our Lady.
A means to convert the most hardened sinners is the Holy Rosary.
“Almighty God has given it to you because he wants you to use it as a means to convert the most hardened sinners and the most obstinate heretics. He has attached to it grace in this life and glory in the next. The saints have said it faithfully and the Popes have endorsed.” ~ St. Louis de Montfort
My Rosary right now for unbelievers.
Yidda
PURIHIN ANG PANGINOON CHARITY 'YIDDA'. SALAMAT AT IBINALIK KA NIYA SA KALIWANAGAN MULA SA KADILIMAN NG ATEISMO.
ReplyDeletePURIHIN AT SAMBAHIN ANG PANGINOON, NGAYON AT MAGPAKAILANMAN. AMEN.
No Father I never been in Atheism or any belief.I am a cradle Roman Catholic,faithful to the teaching authority of the Church, a believing and practicing Roman Catholic, a disciple of Christ.
ReplyDeleteYidda
Please po Father Abe di magandang basahin yung mga naipost niyong pambanat kay Ateo. Pasensiya na po kayo Father pero bilang isang katolikong ordinaryo di po maganda sa amin ang ganitong mga ginagamit lalo na mula sa gaya niyong Priest. Sana naiintindihan po ninyo ako dahil isa din akong katoliko. Dahil sa inaasahan namin ang Priest ay magiging mahinahon, tularan po natin ang example na ipinapakita ng ating Santo Papa kung paano niya itreat ang mga bumabastos sa kanila.
ReplyDeleteHINDI LAHAT NG TAO AY SANTO PAPA AT HINDI LAHAT NG PAGKAKATAON E MAAMONG TUPA RIN TAYO. MAY PANAHON AT ORAS DIN PARA SA CRUSADA.
ReplyDeleteok, Yidda. I mistook you for another Anonymous.
ReplyDelete[Titus 3]
ReplyDelete{3:10} Avoid a man who is a heretic, after the first and second correction,
{3:11} knowing that one who is like this has been subverted, and that he offends; for he has been condemned by his own judgment.
~Paul tells us to correct heretics repeatedly; but we do not condemn heretics; instead, they are condemned by their own knowingly chosen acts.
~It is more often our task to offer our prayers and good works to God so that His grace and providence will correct them; and less often to correct them ourselves.
Yidda
Father, nabasa ko po itong inyong thread at ang thread doon sa BARM. Bastos daw ang pagkasulat ninyo, pero sa aking palagay ay nararapat. Kayo po ay dumidepensa lang po sa iglesia. Hahahaha, nagkagulo sila ngayon sa BARM. Si JI nagposte doon ngayon kaya bisitahin po ninyo. Ateo, sana magkasundo na kayo ni Father. Ito lang po muna.
ReplyDeleteTHANK YOU.
ReplyDeleteI HAVE A COMPLETE TRUST OF THE CATHOLIC APOLOGISTS IN BARM. THEY SHALL HANDLE THE SITUATION THERE VERY WELL.
I RECEIVED THE MESSAGES OF SOME WHO WANT ME TO BE MORE CHARITABLE WITH HIM. WELL, ATHEISTS MUST BE FOUGHT USING THEIR OWN TECHNIQUES AND STYLES. THEY WILL ONLY BE HURT BY THEIR OWN LANGUAGE. HE USED DAMASO... THEN I USED ANIMAL! WELL, IF THAT IS THE KIND OF FIGHT HE WANTS THEN IT MUST BE GIVEN HIM.
Padre, nabasa po ba ninyo ang BARM lately? Damaso po ang topic doon. Kayo po ang pinasaringan nila.
ReplyDeleteAteo can learn all about Christianity, and still not"get it." Perhaps because he lacks a humble Catholic heart.
ReplyDeleteAnd also: I alsways remember my Ate Yidda reading for me the verse in the Holy Scripture:
{2:23} But avoid foolish and undisciplined questions, for you know that these produce strife.
Esther
peace kuya Ateo where Yidda is,there I am.
Good Morning Father I will pray for, sana gawin na natin ang tama sa lahat ng pagkakataonm pilitin nating mamuhay in holiness dahil Banal ang Inang Iglesia Katolika.
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Good Morning Father, Anak din ninyo si ateo sa pananampalatayang katoliko, tulungan po ninyong gamutin ang mga duda sa kanyang isipan dahil naparito si Jesus hindi sa gaya natin na naniniwala na sa kanya kundi para sa mga gaya nila Ateo na nasasadlak sa maling paniniwala. Ang mga Priest y mga representative ni Cristo sana maging kasangkapan po kayo sa pagpapanumbalik ng mga atheist at di katoliko sa pananampalataya sa Diyos at sa Simbahan. Ibigay mo na lang po sa amin ang mga ganitong style, yung gagamit ng di magagandang salita kasi Apologist lang kami, di po gaya ninyo na Priest, di lang basta Apologist kundi tinatawag ding REVEREND FATHER. Ok na ok po kasi may Preist na gaya niyo na nagtatanggol sa simbahan pero sana alalahanin natin na malaki ang impluwensiya ninyo sa mga mananampalataya. Priest is priest, ang Priest ay sana handang magsakripisyo, magtimpi, handang pag isahin ang mga nagbabangayan, ang Priest ay mamahalin maging hindi Katoliko, ang Priest ay mamumuhay dapat bilang banal. Dahil po malaki ang epekto sa paningin nang mga mananampalataya anuman ang binibitawan niyong di magandang mga salita, alalahanin niyo na kayo ay representative ni Cristo, sana huwag naman nating ipagkanulo ang ating Panginoon Jesus na siyang Ulo ng iglesia katolika na nirerepresenta ng mga Pari.
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Rev. Father,
ReplyDeleteI feel this Katolikos post are not from apologist it could be another cunning idea of the atheist.
Yidda
Lalong lumala ang hidwaan ninyo ni Ateo, Padre. Nagsimula lang po ito sa parinigan tungkol kay Damaso. Sa aking palagay ay dapat magmapagtawarin po kayo. Good luck po, Father.
ReplyDeleteDEAR YIDDA,
ReplyDeleteOF COURSE, YOU KNOW HOW TREACHEROUS THEY ARE.
Father the message posted above is from him.
ReplyDeleteTake rhe first word on Ateo's sentence ,it says a message.
confirmed by him. http://thebereans.bestforumlife.com/roman-catholicism-f11/my-exchange-with-a-catholic-priest-by-ateo-t369.htm#10704
Father, nabasa ko po itong inyong thread at ang thread doon sa BARM.
Bastos daw ang pagkasulat ninyo, pero sa aking palagay ay nararapat.
Kayo po ay dumidepensa lang po sa iglesia. Hahahaha, nagkagulo sila ngayon sa BARM.
Si JI nagposte doon ngayon kaya bisitahin po ninyo.
Ateo, sana magkasundo na kayo ni Father. Ito lang po muna.
may iba talaga na matataas ang ere. sobrang bilib sa sarili, pero pag na supalpal, kung ano ano na pinagsasabi. nwawala sa hulog. pagpatuloy nyo lang Father ang pag defend ng Catholic faith natin. nbubulabog sila dahil effective ang pamamaraan mo Fr. Laban sa mga diablo na iyan. God Bless & more power po sayo Fr.
ReplyDeleteTHANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT.
ReplyDeleteMasama lang loob ni Ateo kasi nangamote yan sa diskusyon nila ni Fr. Abe. Kaya dyan sa bereans naglalabas ng mga sama ng loob. Nakakatuwa naman at dinadamayan siya ng mga sinawing palad na naunang nang nakipagdiskusyon kay Fr. Abe like LG aka Jon Irenicus. Sabi nga nila, "misery loves company." Kaya sapul na sapul. ha ha ha
ReplyDeleteTanggapin mo na lang Ateo, walang binatbat mga ateista sa Simbahang Katoliko pagdating sa kontribusyon sa lipunan dito sa Pilipinas. Mga panggulo lang ang mga tulad nyo eh. Kayo yung mga tipong gustong maiba sa karamihan kasi may pagkaKSP kaya nag ateista na lang. lolz
Tsaka laos na yang istilo nyo na paawa effect. Nung hindi kayo pinapatulan walang habas kayong manira sa Simbahang Katoliko, ngayong hinaharap kayo gamit yung lenggwahe nyo eh nagkukunwang maamong tupa kayo. Kilala na namin kulay ng hasang nyo. Magpakatotoo na kayo.
AKALA NYA KASI E SYA LANG ANG MARUNONG SUMIGAW NG 'DAMASO'. HA, HA, HA... E HINDI NYA ALAM E MARUNONG DIN ANG IBA NA SUMIGAW NG 'HAYOP'!
ReplyDeleteGALIT NA GALIT DIN SYA KASI KULANG SYA SA CONDOM. SIGURO WALANG PAMBILI KAYA GUSTO NYA E PERA NG GOBIERNO ANG GAMITING PAMBILI. HA, HA, HA...
nagmamayabang pa doon sa bereans na nakalusot daw yung mga message nya. playing smart kuno. gusto nyang pagtakpan ang pagkuyog ni Fr. Abe sa kanya punto por punto.nag mumukha lang syang kaawa-awa.ahahaha! nakikisawsaw naman yung ibang mga epokretong nag bababait-baitan. how pathetic! hahaha!!
ReplyDeleteFather, naiintindihan ko po na namimili kayo ng mga comments sa mga posters since sa inyo naman po ito at gusto nyo po yong maayos. Kaso nga lang po, dapat maging transparent kayo kung may mga hindi masyadong maganda pero kagalang-galang pa din na mga comments. Kasi, tulad niyan, naisahan pati kayo ni Ateo na makapasok ang mga posts niya. Lumalabas tuloy kayo ang natamaan sa bitag niya at sa sarili ninyong estilo. Nagiging honest lang po ako. Wag nyo isiping si Ateo ako. MarcCatholic po ito at masugid nyong taga-subaybay. Actually, lagi ko pong nilalagay ang link ninyo sa facebook groups ko at sa aking news feed. At, isa pa po alam ko hindi ito lalabas ang aking reply. Medyo nakakatampo nga lang po dahil hindi naman ako naging balahura. Salamat.
ReplyDeleteMarc,
ReplyDeleteThat is the problem when people are fond of being Anonymous. I do no longer know whom I am talking to. There are some non Catholics who pretend to be Catholic and the Catholics cannot be distinguished from those who are not.
Inasmuch as I want to post all I don't want to be played upon.
As regards your message if that is intended for me then I got and read them. Hope you are satisfied with that. Now I know that you want them to be posted also.
The problem is when we are under attack we Catholics must defend with full force not only our faith but our Church and our persons. If we will only laid back passively using charity as reason then better stop defending the faith rather than have your hands tied while your opponents are free to do whatever they want.
If as a Catholic you are concern about me then having sent your message to me personally is enough.
tama lang yan yung ginagawa mo Fr. sa pag defend ng faith natin laban sa mga walang habas na pagtutuligsa nila sa atin. paano mo ma depensahan ang pananampalataya natin kung lelimbot-limbot ka sa nambababoy ng pananampalataya natin?! Nag CFD kapa e kinukuyog kana magungurot kalang pala?!
ReplyDeleteTHANK YOU BRO. MANUEL.
ReplyDeleteTHE DEVIL IS TAKING DIFFERENT FORMS. SOMETIMES HE IS A FEROCIOUS DOG, BUT SOMETIMES A GENTLE SERPENT. SOMETIMES ATHEIST AND SOMETIMES CATHOLIC WITH A VERY LARGE LETTERS ON IT.
Maraming salamat po Fr. Abe. Na-touch po ako dahil nabasa ko ang aking message. Nahiya naman po ako dahil para palang namimilit ako. Father, kahit hindi nyo na po ito ipalabas ayos lang personal message lang naman to e. Wag nyo po isipin na against ako sa inyo father ha? Katunayan nga po ay fan ninyo ako. Bilang tao naman po, may nakikita din akong hindi maganda sa pag ad hom nyo sa ating mga naliligaw na mga kapatid. Alam ko po na kailangan nyo ng mas madiin na pakikipagbalitaktakan. Hindi ko na naman po kailangan pang sabihin sa inyo ang mga dapat pang gawin dahil alam niyo na po yan. Anyway, salamat po father sa inyong oras at talagang nalulugod ako dahil alam ko busy kayo sa trabaho at nagagawa nyo pa ding mag-blog at intindihin ang mga comments namin. Pati, alam ko nagamit ko na ang MarcCatholic dito e nakalink yong sa www.phatmass.com ko. Subukan ko po para talagang totoo. Sige po father, maraming salamat ulit. Nawa'y magpatuloy po kayo sa inyong noble ministry at nawa'y mas mapapapurihan pa natin ang ating tunay na Diyos.
ReplyDeleteAMEN MARC. GOD BLESS YOU.
ReplyDeleteHi Father, si Ateo po ito.
ReplyDeleteInanyayahan kita ng isang mahinahong debate online sa tema ng RH. O kundi ikaw ay pwede na po si Atty Mars Llanos. O di kaya ay si Kapatas/ParaBanog.
Ano po sa palagay ninyo?
IF YOU WANT A DEBATE LET US MAKE IT FORMAL AND OFFICIAL. GET OUT OF YOUR ANONYMITY AND FACE US OPENLY. FACE TO FACE. ONE ON ONE IF YOU WANT OR THREE BY THREE IF YOU PREFER.
ReplyDeleteI live in New York, so face-to-face is a rather expensive proposition. But I will be on vacation in the Philippines for Christmas (Winter Solstice Festival), so I might have a time to drop by. But the RH issue is hot and timely right now, so we should have an initial debate online to help clarify the issues to our readers. I suggest the BARM debate board, although you may want to select other sites.
ReplyDeleteHA, HA, HA... SO, YOU SUDDENLY BECAME A NEW YORKER EH. HA, HA, HA.
ReplyDeleteTHE EXPENSES THAT YOU WILL SPEND WILL BE NOTHING WITH THE HAPPINESS THAT YOU WILL RECEIVE ONCE YOU FACE ME IN A ONE ON ONE DEBATE. SO, I SUGGEST THAT YOU STOP YOUR ALIBI AND COME OUT INSTEAD.
Yo Fathah, I am a New Yorkah! Not in Cubao but in U.S. of A. :)
ReplyDeleteFather, marccatholic po ito. Totoo pong taga New York yan si Ateo. Wala po siya sa Pilipinas. Confirmed po yan. Pati may nilagay na doong imbitasyon sa board ng BARM at magiging malugod kami kung may papayag po sa hanay ng CFD natin para labanan si Ateo. Timely kasi yong nilagay niyang isyu doon. Nabanggit din niya ang naging sigalot ng commission noon sa Vatican II (pre-history ng humane vitae). Father, lubos po kaming malulugod kapag napagbigyan nyo po si Ateo sa isang maginoong debate. Wag na po sanang isipin yong naging pangyayari sa nakaraang mga araw. Kung nais po natin siya pamalian talaga, idaan na natin sa debate father. Maraming salamat po.
ReplyDeleteAt papano ko mapapaniwalaan ang mga pananalita ninyong taga New York yan? Madali lang namang magsalita na taga New York ang isang tao.
ReplyDeleteKUNG GUSTO NYONG MAKAHARAP KAMI. LUMABAS KAYO SA MGA LUNGGA NYO. IKAW DIN MARC. IPAKILALA MO NG LUBOS ANG PAGKATAO MO. HINDI PORKE IKAW AY NAGSASABI NA GANITO KA O KUNG ANO KA PA LUMABAS KA MUNA NG LUNGGA MO.
YAN ANG HIRAP SA INYO E. MAY KAPAL KAYO NG MUKA SABIHIN NA GUSTO NYO HARAPAN TAPOS YUN PALA E NAGTATAGO KAYO SA DILIM. PWEDE BA. KUNG GUSTO NYO NG DEBATE HINDI KO KAYO UURUNGAN, MAGSAMA PA KAYO NI ATEO.
TAMA NA ANG MGA KAIPOCRITOHAN NYO.
BAKIT MO KAMI PINIPILIT NA MAGPUNTA NG BARM E NAPAKADAMI NANG CATHOLIC APOLOGISTS DYAN. KE EL CID PA NGA LANG TATANGA TANGA NA YANG ATEO NA YAN. HE, HE, HE...
ISA PA, NAGKAHARAP NA KAMI. AYAN, NAKARECORD DITO SA BLOG NA ITO ANG MGA KATANGAHAN NIYA. KUNG KAILANGAN KO NG DEBATE SA RH BILL HIGH RANKING OFFICIAL NG GOBIERNO ANG HAHARAPIN KO. HINDI ANG ISANG NAGTATAGO SA DILIM NA HINDI KO ALAM KUNG TAO, HAYUP, BAGAY, LUNAN O PANGYAYARI. HA, HA, HA... BUTI KA PA KILALA MO SIYA. SABI MO CATOLICO KA. E DI KAYO ANG MAG-USAP SA BARM.
ANO BA NAMAN ANG BARM NA YAN. WALANG KA KWENTA KWENTA. NAKASAGUPA KO NA SI RODIMUS, SI LG, SI JON ERENICUS... PWEDE BA, NAPAKATAGAL NA NG DEFENSORES FIDEI NAGPAPADALA NG CHALLENGE SA MGA BEREANS. KASO PURO DUWAG.
LUMABAS KA NG LUNGGA MO MARC. LUMABAS KAYO NI ATEO NG LUNGGA. GET OUT OF THE DARK AND FACE US FAIRLY AND SQUARELY. IF YOU THINK THAT MY BLOG IS NOT FAIR BECAUSE I OWN THIS, I ALSO CONSIDER THE BARM AS UNFAIR BECAUSE ANTI-CATHOLICS RUN IT. GET IT?
NOW, GET OUT OF THE DARK. I DO NOT BUY YOUR ALIBI THAT THE ANIMAL IS IN NEW YORK.
NO COMMENT WILL BE POSTED HERE UNTIL YOU ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE FOR AN OPEN, PUBLIC, FACE TO FACE, ONE ON ONE DEBATE ATEO.
GET OUT OF THE DARK. I DO NOT BUY YOUR ALIBI THAT THE ANIMAL IS IN NEW YORK.
ReplyDeleteNO COMMENT WILL BE POSTED HERE UNTIL ATEO ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE FOR AN OPEN, PUBLIC, FACE TO FACE, ONE ON ONE DEBATE.
I wish to inform our readers that MarcCatholic has revealed his identity to me. And after a no holds barred exchanges and clarificatory messages between us
ReplyDeleteI HEREBY EXPRESS MY APOLOGY TO BRO. MARCCATHOLIC FOR DOUBTING HIS IDENTITY AND INTENTIONS.
THE STRONG WORDS WERE NOT INTENDED BUT MERELY BROUGHT BY THE FACT THAT MY OPPONENTS ARE LURKING IN THE DARK LIKE THE DEVIL LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO DEVOUR.
I ADMIRE BRO. MARC FOR HIS COURAGE TO REVEAL HIS FULL IDENTITY, HIS HUMILITY AND HIS GENEROSITY OF SPIRIT. I BOW MY HEAD TO THIS GENTLEMAN SO WORTHY OF HIS CHRISTIAN NAME.