THE TRANSFIGURATION OF JESUS. Sts. Peter, John and James witnessed the Lord Jesus transformed and he was seen talking with Moses and Elijah on top of the mountain. Moses and Elijah are alive... not dead... not sleeping.
Anonymous said...
pader meron bang nabanggit ng Porgatoryo sa bible???? diba ang sabi sa bible.... pagnamatay ang tao..... di ba hihimlay nalang...tapos gigisingin lang sila pagmaghuhukom na?
July 8, 2010 2:50 PM
Fr. Abe, CRS said...
Dear Anonymous,
Ang salitang purgatorio ay hindi English o Tagalog in origin. Yan ay nagmula sa salitang Latin na: PURGATIONEM PECCATORUM, kaya naging PURGATORUM o Purgatorium. Ang ibig sabihin ay: PAGLILINIS o PAGPUPURGA NG KASALANAN. Ito ay galing sa Biblia:
Heb 1:3 "qui cum sit splendor gloriae et figura substantiae eius portansque omnia verbo virtutis suae PURGATIONEM PECCATORUM faciens sedit ad dexteram Maiestatis in excelsis"
Ang salitang Purgatorio ay tulad ng PASKO. Ito ay galing sa PAGSILANG NI CRISTO. Ang Purgatorio ay tumutukoy sa paglilinis ng kasalanan na sinasagawa ng Panginoong Jesu-Cristo sa mga yumao na. Kaya nga ito ang translation ng talata sa itaas:
Heb 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself PURGED OUR SINS, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
Ang paglilinis ng kasalanan ay sinasagawa ng grasya ni Cristo sa dalawang pamamaraan:
(1) Sa DAIGDIG
(2) Sa KABILANG BUHAY
Ito ang tinuro ng Panginoong Jesu-Cristo:
Mateo 12:32 "At ang sinomang magsalita ng isang salitang laban sa Anak ng tao, ay ipatatawad sa kaniya; datapuwa't ang sinomang magsalita laban sa Espiritu Santo, ay hindi ipatatawad sa kaniya, kahit sa sanglibutang ito, o maging SA DARATING."
Kitam, may pagpapatawad ng mga kasalanan sa daigdig na ito at meron pa sa buhay na darating. There is a forgiveness of sins or purging of sins in this life and in the life come.
Ang pagpapatawad dito sa lupa ay tinatawag ng Santa Iglesia na Sacrament of Reconciliation at ang pagpapatawad ng kasalanan sa ikalawang buhay ay tinatawag na Purgatorio.
[diba ang sabi sa bible.... pagnamatay ang tao..... di ba hihimlay nalang...tapos gigisingin lang sila pagmaghuhukom na?]
Ha, ha, ha... Ang tinutukoy na nahihimlay kapag namatay ang isang tao ay ang kanyang katawang lupa na nakalibing sa cemetery. Subalit ang kanyang kaluluwa ay nagbabalik sa Dios at ito ay buhay:
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Ayan. ang namamatay ay ang katawang lupa subalit ang espirito ay nagbabalik sa Dios.
Ito ang mga talata na nagpapatunay na buhay pa ang kaluluwa ng mga namatay:
1 Sam 28:15-19 ANG KALULUWA NI SAMUEL AY NAKAUSAP NI HARING SAUL AT BUHAY PA. MAY ISIP AT TALINO PA RIN. HINDI TULOG.
Mateo 17:1-4 JESUS TALKED TO MOSES AND ELIJAH. Tignan mong mabuti si Elijah ay hindi tulog. Si Moises na namatay sa Moab in Deuteronomy 34:5 ay BUHAY at KAUSAP NI JESUS. Hindi naman sira ulo si Jesus para makipag-usap sa mga tulog.
Luke 16:19-31 NUNG NAMATAY SI LAZARONG PULUBI AT ANG MAYAMAN SILA AY BUHAY. ANG ISA AY NASA KALUWALHATIAN KASAMA NI ABRAHAM AT ANG MAYAMAN AY NAGHIHIRAP. SI ABRAHAM AT ANG MAYAMAN NA KAPWA PATAY NA AY NAG-UUSAP NG BUHAY NA BUHAY.
Kaya wag mong basta-basta paniniwalaan ang mga kasinungalingan ng mga naninira sa Iglesia Catolica.
July 13, 2010 9:39 AM
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father abe, ask ko lng po kung anu po b tlga ang turo ng church tungkol sa origin ni satan? saan po ba ito nka base?
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteSiempre ang turo ng Santa Iglesia Catolical tungkol sa Origin of Satan comes from the Apostolic Teaching and from Sacred Scriptures.
Ito ang sinasaad sa Book of the Apocalypse:
Reveleation 12:7-9 "At nagkaroon ng pagbabaka sa langit. Si Miguel at ang kanyang mga anghel ay nakipagbaka sa dragon; at ang dragon at ang kanyang mga anghel ay nakipagbaka: At hindi sila nangagnalo, ni nasumpungan pa man ang kanilang dako sa langit. At inihagis ang malaking dragon, ang matandang ahas, ang tinatawag na Diablo o Satanas, ang dumadaya sa buong sanlibutan; at siya'y inihagis sa lupa, at ang kanyang mga anghel ay inihagis na kasama niya."
Ngayon isa-isahin nating tignan ang mensahe:
1. Si Satanas na siyang Diablo ay dating nasa langit at tulad ni San Miguel Arkanghel ay lider ng mga anghel sa kalangitan.
2. Si Satanas at ang kanyang mga anghel ay nakipaglaban sa langit. Ibig sabihin lumaban sila sa Dios.
3. Si San Miguel Arkanghel at ang mga tapat na Anghel ay lumaban kay Satanas at natalo ang Diablo pati ang mga kasama niyang mga Traidor na anghel.
4. Bilang parusa sila ay hindi na pinayagan sa langit. Sa halip itinapon sa lupa kung saan dinaya nila ang unang Tao na si Adan at Eba at ang buong sanlibutan.
5. Ibig sabihin dating mabuting anghel si Satanas na naging masama ng lumaban siya sa Dios. Ang mga tapat na anghel ay nanatili sa kabutihan at pawang pinagpala.
6. Ang Dios ang lumikha sa mga Anghel subalit ginawa nya silang mabuti. Si Satanas ang nagpasama sa kanyang sarili. Naging dragon siya o Ahas o Diablo dahil sa kanyang pagrerebelde sa Dios.
7. Bagamat ang Dios ang gumapi kay Satanas hindi mismong ang Dios ang tumalo kay Satanas kundi si San Miguel Arkanghel at ang mga mabubuting anghel. Dito nanggaling ang kaugalian ng mga Catolico na kapag natatakot sa demonio ay tumatawag sa Dios na ipadala si San Miguel at ang mabubuting anghel upang proteksiyunan siya at ang kanilang bahay o lugar.
YAN ANG SINASAAD NG BIBLIA NA TINURO NG MGA APOSTOLES AT YAN DIN ANG TINUTURO NG SANTA IGLESIA.
i was just curious and a bit alarmed by this statement :
ReplyDeleteFr. Abe said :
[4. Bilang parusa sila ay hindi na pinayagan sa langit. Sa halip itinapon sa lupa kung saan dinaya nila ang unang Tao na si Adan at Eba at ang buong sanlibutan.]
meron po bang verse that supports this?
yung itinapon niya si Satanas sa Lupa..
i find it hard to believe that GOD, which full of Love, esp. to man, that he gave His only Son..then..Sira rin pala nagtapon ng basurang si Satanas..
please enlighten me..thank you..
i was just curious and a bit alarmed by this statement :
ReplyDeleteFr. Abe said :
[4. Bilang parusa sila ay hindi na pinayagan sa langit. Sa halip itinapon sa lupa kung saan dinaya nila ang unang Tao na si Adan at Eba at ang buong sanlibutan.]
[meron po bang verse that supports this?]
SIEMPRE MERON!AT ANG TALATANG SUMUSUPORTA DIYAN AY VERY FAMOUS IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
[yung itinapon niya si Satanas sa Lupa..]
YES. WORD FOR WORD. LETRA POR LETRA. NARITO BASAHIN MONG MABUTI:
Revelation 12:7-9
7 At nagkaroon ng pagbabaka sa langit: si Miguel at ang kaniyang mga anghel ay nakipagbaka sa dragon; at ang dragon at ang kaniyang mga anghel ay nakipagbaka; 8 At hindi sila nanganalo, ni nasumpungan pa man ang kanilang dako sa langit. 9 At inihagis ang malaking dragon, ang matandang ahas, ang tinatawag na Diablo at Satanas, ang dumadaya sa buong sanglibutan; SIYA'Y INIHAGIS SA LUPA, AT ANG KANYANG MGA ANGHEL AY INIHAGIS NA KASAMA NIYA.
YOU SEE. THAT IS VERY CLEAR. SATAN IS FORMERLY AN ANGEL IN HEAVEN. HE REBELLED AGAINST GOD AND WAS DEFEATED IN HEAVENLY FIGHT WITH THE FORCES OF HEAVEN UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF ST. MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL. THE DEVIL WAS DEFEATED AND WAS THROWN INTO THE EARTH TOGETHER WITH HIS ANGELS.
THE KING JAMES VERSION USED 'EARTH' AND THE 4 YEAR EARLIER CATHOLIC BIBLE IN ENGLISH THE DOUAY-RHEIMS BIBLE USED 'EARTH' AS WELL. TALAGANG ITINAPON SA LUPA.
[i find it hard to believe that GOD, which full of Love, esp. to man, that he gave His only Son..then..Sira rin pala nagtapon ng basurang si Satanas..]
WELL, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT IS NOT MY PROBLEM. THAT IS THE BIBLICAL TEACHING AND THAT IS THE TEACHING OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THAT STORY IS TOLD TO US SINCE CHILDHOOD: THAT LUCIFER WAS A FORMER ANGEL WHO TURNED TRAITOR TO GOD. ST. MICHAEL DEFEATED HIM AND WAS THROWN INTO EARTH.
IT GIVES US THE REASON WHY SATAN WAS PRESENT IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN AND DECEIVED OUR FIRST PARENTS.
OF COURSE THE GOOD GOD DIDN'T DO IT SO THAT ADAM AND EVE SHALL COMMIT SIN. IT WAS NOT A SET UP OR A PUNISHMENT. GOD SIMPLY ALLOWED SATAN TO TEMPT OUR FIRST PARENTS SO THAT GOD COULD TEST THEIR LOYALTY AND LOVE. GOD WANTS THEM TO LOVE HIM BY FREELY CHOOSING HIM OVER THE FLEETING THINGS OF THIS WORLD.
GOD DID IT BECAUSE HE GAVE US ENOUGH AMMUNITIONS AGAINST THE DEVIL BY THIS GRACE: THE BREATH OF THE SPIRIT, WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE, PERSONAL ENCOUNTER WITH HIM IN THE GARDEN AND HIS DIVINE WORDS DIRECTLY PREACHED TO THEM. UNFORTUNATELY OUR FIRST PARENTS DECIDED TO BELIEVE THE DEVIL RATHER THAN THE WORD OF GOD.
SIN ENTERED NOT BECAUSE GOD ALLOWED SATAN TO ENTER BUT BECAUSE OUR FIRST PARENTS AND ALL SINNERS CHOSE THE LOWER GOODS OF THE EARTH RATHER THAN THE SUPREME GOOD WHO IS GOD.
[please enlighten me..]
I HOPE THIS WILL HELP.
[thank you..]
GOD BLESS YOU.
goodmorning po..
ReplyDeleteIam still waiting for the answer regarding mu followup questions..
thank you..
Here's my post last week..I hope it will be answered.
***
Thank you for the answers.. Followup question lang po..
I have studied the verse and it really says that Satan was thrown sa Lupa..Very clear..
the verse is Revelation 12:7-9..I was told before maybe at school im not sure anymore that Revelations is a prophetic book..meaning When John saw these revelations, the events did not happened yet..
am i wrong?
Then I opened the bible and start reading revelations again. I have read this statement from Johh regarding his Book.
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, [even] the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John
ang sabi THINGS WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS..
sa tagalog..
"Ang Apocalipsis ni Jesucristo, na ibinigay ng Dios sa kaniya upang ipahayag sa kaniyang mga alipin, sa makatuwid ay ang mga bagay na nararapat mangyaring madali: at kaniyang ipinadala
at ipinaalam sa pamamagitan ng kaniyang anghel sa kaniyang alipin na si Juan;"
ang mga BAGAY NA NARARAPAT MANGYARING MADALI.
in short..from the time of John..These revelations will start to happen..
Now..I am confused, since our supporting verse na si Satanas naitapon sa lupa is from REvelation na si ni St. John, Things that must shortly to come..
is there a reconciliation of these facts father?
Another Point to consider Fr..I also want asked you regarding the sequence of these events..
In Rvelation 12:7-9.. The bible said, Satan was thrown to earth..
Do we mean that the Battle of St. Michael and Serpent or Satan ended just when Adam and Eve were created?
Kasi ang sabi verse INIHAGIS SA LUPA.So logically, the LUPA or EARTH is already present.So Satan was thrown when Adam and Eve were created.
Is there an explanation to this?
Then lastly..in the verse it says..
"..that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan"
sabi OLD NA YUNG SeRPENT..DEVIL..SATAN..
ang sabi p..
"..which deceiveth the whole world.." KJV
"..the deceiver of the whole world.." RSV
sa tagalong ang dumaya or dumadaya..
meaning..nung itapon sa lupa nakapandaya na yong AHAS..
if we will consider the sequence..kung INIHAGIS ang AHAS sa LUPA..sa Garden of Eden..sa Lugar nasaan si Adan at Eba..hindi pa nakapandaya ang AHAS non..kasi KAKAHAGIS palang..
pero sabi ni St. John..Nung ihagis ANG SERPENT..kilala na ang AHAS na MANDARAYA ng MUNDO..o sa ibang SALIN..nadeceive na siya..
KUNG susumahin ko po..after carefully reading and understanding biblical events..Chaper 12, yung pagtatapon sa AHAS hindi p nangyari..
kasi kung nagyari na ito lalabas NUNG ITAPON SA LUPA YUNG SERPENT/DEVIL, MERON NASYANG MUNDO DINADAYA O DINAYA..
sa Revelation 12..yung MUNDO/WORLD na dinaya ni Satan based sa http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3625&t=KJV
g3625..the inhabited earth
den yung Earth saan inihagis si satanas..
g1093..the earth as a whole/land..
PARA BAGANG BAGO SIYA INIHAGIS SA EARTH , DINAYA NA NIYA ANG MUNDO ..
wait ko nalang po sagot..
maraming salamat..
--end
*****
[Iam still waiting for the answer regarding mu followup questions..
ReplyDeletethank you..]
SORRY FOR FAILING TO RESPOND TO YOU IMMEDIATELY. I WAS PREOCCUPIED ABOUT THE RH BILL NOT ONLY IN THIS BLOG BUT ALSO IN FACEBOOK. THEN I WENT TO MANILA SO I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO ANSWER ALL QUESTIONS. THERE ARE OTHERS WHOSE QUESTIONS REMAINED UNANSWERED.
[Here's my post last week..I hope it will be answered.]
OK. LET ME TRY. I HOPE I CAN ANSWER THEM.
***
[Thank you for the answers.. Followup question lang po..]
WELCOME.
[I have studied the verse and it really says that Satan was thrown sa Lupa..Very clear..]
YES, INDEED.
[the verse is Revelation 12:7-9..I was told before maybe at school im not sure anymore that Revelations is a prophetic book..meaning When John saw these revelations, the events did not happened yet..]
THE BOOK OF REVELATION IS AN APOCALYPTIC LITERATURE. FIRST, IT HAS A PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE DIMENSION. PAST BECAUSE IT SPEAKS OF THE TRIUMPH OF CHRIST AND OF THE CHURCH FOR THE PAST TWO THOUSAND YEARS AND MORE IF WE WILL INCLUDE THE STRUGGLE OF THE PEOPLE OF GOD IN THE OLD TESTAMENT. THEN, IT HAS A SPIRITUAL AND MORAL MESSAGE FOR US TODAY WHILE WE BATTLE SATAN THROUGH OUR TEMPTATIONS AND TRIALS OR AS WE CONFRONT THE DAILY CHALLENGES OF EVIL IN OUR LIFE AND IT ALSO SPEAKS OF THE FUTURE WHEN GOD SHALL BE ALL IN ALL.
TO TREAT THE BOOK OF REVELATION ONLY ON ITS FUTURE ASPECT IS ONE=SIDED.
[am i wrong?]
YOU ARE PARTIALLY RIGHT.
THE BOOK OF REVELATION SPEAKS OF THE STRUGGLE OF THE BELIEVERS IN THE PAST, IT TEACHES US NOW AND IT GUIDES US TO THE FUTURE.
[Then I opened the bible and start reading revelations again. I have read this statement from Johh regarding his Book.
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, [even] the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John
ang sabi THINGS WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS..
sa tagalog..
"Ang Apocalipsis ni Jesucristo, na ibinigay ng Dios sa kaniya upang ipahayag sa kaniyang mga alipin, sa makatuwid ay ang mga bagay na nararapat mangyaring madali: at kaniyang ipinadala
at ipinaalam sa pamamagitan ng kaniyang anghel sa kaniyang alipin na si Juan;"
ang mga BAGAY NA NARARAPAT MANGYARING MADALI.
in short..from the time of John..These revelations will start to happen..]
NOW, IT STATES THERE THAT GOD REVEALED TO JOHN THINGS THAT WILL SOON COME TO PASS. THAT IS RIGHT. BUT IT IS NOWHERE STATED THERE THAT ALL THE THINGS WRITTEN IN THERE ARE ABOUT THE FUTURE ONLY. THERE IS A GREAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SAYING THAT GOD REVEALED THINGS ABOUT THE FUTURE AND IN SAYING 'THE CONTENT OF THIS BOOK IS ABOUT THE FUTURE ONLY'.
FOR SURE, THERE ARE THINGS IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION THAT HAPPENED ALREADY:
ReplyDelete[Revelation 12
1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:]
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH REFERS TO THIS WOMAN IN A THREEFOLD WAY:
1. ISRAEL
2. CHURCH
3. MARY
ALL OF THEM ALREADY APPEARED IN HISTORY. ISRAEL WAS THE PEOPLE OF GOD DURING THE OLD TESTAMENT, JESUS FOUNDED THE CHURCH AND MARY ALREADY LIVED IN NAZARETH.
[2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.]
IT REFERS TO THE PAIN THAT MARY EXPERIENCED IN BRINGING FORTH JESUS. SHE GAVE BIRTH IN THE MANGER AFTER REJECTION BY THE PEOPLE TO LET THEM IN.
[3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.]
THIS ONE IS SATAN. HE IS ALREADY A DRAGON HERE. IT MEANS HE IS ALREADY THROWN OUT OF HEAVEN.
[4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.]
IT REFERS TO THE EVIL SATAN IS DOING ON EARTH AND IT ALSO REFERS TO HEROD WHO WANTED TO KILL THE CHILD JESUS... THE CHILD WHOM THE WOMAN DELIVERED.
[5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.]
THIS ONE IS FULFILLED ALREADY. THIS IS THE NATIVITY OF JESUS - THE KING OF KINGS AND THE LORD OF LORDS.
JESUS ALSO HAD ASCENDED ALREADY IN HIS THRONE IN HEAVEN.
[Now..I am confused, since our supporting verse na si Satanas naitapon sa lupa is from REvelation na si ni St. John, Things that must shortly to come..]
THEN, STOP INTERPRETING THE ENTIRE BOOK OF REVELATION EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE FUTURE EVENTS. THE THINGS THAT WILL SURELY COME TO PASS REFERS TO THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS, THE VICTORY OF THE LAMB AND THE GLORIFICATION OF THE CHURCH - THE BRIDE OF THE LAMB.
NOT ALL IDEAS CONTAINED THEREIN ARE FOR THE FUTURE.
[is there a reconciliation of these facts father?]
YES, THERE IS. STOP LIMITING THE ENTIRE BOOK TO THE FUTURE ASPECT ALONE. THE WORD OF GOD, THE ENTIRE BIBLE HAS A MESSAGE FOR THE PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE. EVEN THE BOOK OF EXODUS WHICH IS ABOUT THE STORY OF MOSES. IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT THE PAST. IT HAS A MEANING FOR THE PAST, THE PRESENT AND THE FUTURE.
[Another Point to consider Fr..I also want asked you regarding the sequence of these events..]
ReplyDeleteST. JOHN IS NOT GIVING US A HISTORICAL CHRONOLOGY OF EVENTS. THEREFORE DO NOT APPLY THE NORMAL STANDARD OF CHRONOLOGY OF EVENTS THE WAY WE ARE READING THE HISTORY BOOKS. THE MAIN POINTS OF ST. JOHN IS SPIRITUAL AND THEOLOGICAL MEANING.
[In Rvelation 12:7-9.. The bible said, Satan was thrown to earth..]
OK. IN FACT, ADAM AND EVE MET HIM AND JESUS CONFRONTED HIM. SO THAT TEXT REFERS NOT ONLY TO THE FUTURE BUT ALSO TO THE PAST.
[Do we mean that the Battle of St. Michael and Serpent or Satan ended just when Adam and Eve were created?]
POSSIBLE BUT IT IS NOT EVEN MENTIONED IN THE TEXT. SO, MY SUGGESTION IS: DO NOT SPECULATE WHAT IS NOT CLEARLY REFERRED TO IN THE TEXT. IT ONLY SHOWS THAT SATAN WAS FORMERLY A CREATURE OF HEAVEN BUT WAS EXPELLED FROM IT BECAUSE OF REBELLION.
[Kasi ang sabi verse INIHAGIS SA LUPA.So logically, the LUPA or EARTH is already present.So Satan was thrown when Adam and Eve were created.]
AS I'VE SAID THAT IS POSSIBLE.
[Is there an explanation to this?]
THE PRESENTATION OF ST. JOHN COULD BE MORE ON SPIRITUAL ASPECT RATHER THAN ON CHRONOLOGY OF EVENTS.
[Then lastly..in the verse it says..
"..that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan"
sabi OLD NA YUNG SeRPENT..DEVIL..SATAN..]
BECAUSE ST. JOHN IS TALKING TO CHRISTIANS TO WHOM THE BOOK WAS INTENDED. HE WAS SIMPLY GIVING CLUES TO HIS READERS THAT HE IS REFERRING HERE TO THE DEVIL.
[ang sabi p..
"..which deceiveth the whole world.." KJV
"..the deceiver of the whole world.." RSV
sa tagalong ang dumaya or dumadaya..]
IT MEANS THAT HE REFERS TO THE PAST, AS EVERY BODY KNOWS BOTH JEWS AND CHRISTIANS KNOW THE DECEPTION OF SATAN. AND THE CHRISTIANS KNOW THAT OUR SPIRITUAL LIFE IS A CONTINUOUS STRUGGLE AGAINST SATAN STILL. SO IT REFERS TO BOTH PAST AND PRESENT.
[meaning..nung itapon sa lupa nakapandaya na yong AHAS..]
NO. ST. JOHN WAS EXPLAINING HOW SATAN WAS THROWN OUT OF HEAVEN AND HE SIMPLY INFORMED THE READERS THAT IS FALLEN ANGEL IS THE SAME AS THE DECEIVER.
IF YOU WILL WRITE A BOOK ABOUT THE LIFE OF SEN. GRINGO HONASAN AND WROTE: "THIS SENATOR IS THE REBEL THAT DECEIVED MANY SOLDIERS TO JOIN IN HIS COUP DE ETAT". DOES IT MEAN THAT THE COUP PLOTS OF GRINGO DIDN'T HAPPEN YET?
[if we will consider the sequence..kung INIHAGIS ang AHAS sa LUPA..sa Garden of Eden..sa Lugar nasaan si Adan at Eba..hindi pa nakapandaya ang AHAS non..kasi KAKAHAGIS palang..]
ReplyDeleteTHAT IS THE REASON WHY YOU SHOULD REFRAIN FROM APPLYING THE CHRONOLOGY SYSTEM IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION. IT IS WRITTEN FOR SPIRITUAL PURPOSE AND NOT FOR HISTORICAL MANUAL. ST. JOHN IS NOT A HISTORIAN BUT A THEOLOGIAN.
[pero sabi ni St. John..Nung ihagis ANG SERPENT..kilala na ang AHAS na MANDARAYA ng MUNDO..o sa ibang SALIN..nadeceive na siya..]
SIEMPRE NGA KASI ST. JOHN WAS WRITING AROUND THE YEAR 90A.D. NA. THE DECEPTION OF ADAM AND EVE AND THE CRUCIFIXION OF CHRIST WERE FINISHED ALREADY.
[KUNG susumahin ko po..after carefully reading and understanding biblical events..Chaper 12, yung pagtatapon sa AHAS hindi p nangyari..]
SO, IT MEANS THAT SATAN IS STILL IN HEAVEN NOW.
[kasi kung nagyari na ito lalabas NUNG ITAPON SA LUPA YUNG SERPENT/DEVIL, MERON NASYANG MUNDO DINADAYA O DINAYA..]
NO. YOU MERELY IMPROPERLY IMPLIED THAT BECAUSE ST. JOHN STATED THAT THIS WAS THE DECEIVER... THAT IS STATEMENT IS GIVEN BY ST. JOHN AS A CLUE TO THE READERS. THE SPIRITUAL MEANING IS THAT WE MUST LOOK AT SATAN AS THE SPIRITUAL ENEMY OF OUR LIFE.
[sa Revelation 12..yung MUNDO/WORLD na dinaya ni Satan based sa http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3625&t=KJV
g3625..the inhabited earth]
YES, IT REFERS TO EARTH. OUR EARTH THE WORLD WE ARE LIVING IN.
[den yung Earth saan inihagis si satanas..
g1093..the earth as a whole/land..]
IT REFERS TO OUR EARTH. THE WORLD.
[PARA BAGANG BAGO SIYA INIHAGIS SA EARTH , DINAYA NA NIYA ANG MUNDO ..]
IT APPEARS AS SUCH TO YOU BECAUSE ST. JOHN POINTED ABOUT SATAN... HE GAVE A CLUE THAT THE DRAGON AND SATAN THE DECEIVER ARE THE SAME. BUT IT IS NOT CONFIRMED THAT IT WAS A DIFFERENT REBELLION THAN THE ONE HE DID BEFORE HE FELL FROM THE GRACE OF GOD. HOW CAN THE DEVIL ENTER INTO HEAVEN AGAIN? HE LOST ALREADY THE FIRST REBELLION IN HEAVEN. THE NEXT BATTLE BETWEEN THE FORCES OF GOOD AND EVIL IS NO LONGER HEAVEN BUT EARTH.
[wait ko nalang po sagot..
maraming salamat..]
WELCOME. I HOPE MY EXPLANATION WILL HELP.
thanks father!
ReplyDeletePresently.. I have research regarding the WOMAN in the said chapter of Revelation..
now im onfused if the WOman is ISRAEL..CHURCH..MARY.or EVE..
I am also confused regarding the man child..since some information from John does not fit to Jesus Christ.
i will just asked you again when i have finished my research..
thanks for the time po..
Please don't confuse ISRAEL, CHURCH AND MARY the Woman Clothed with the Sun refers to them all and to each of them.
ReplyDeleteTHE DESCRIPTION OF THE MAN-CHILD FITS JESUS VERY WELL:
* The Man-Child is King of Nations
* The Man-Child belongs to Heaven, He has a throne in Heaven.
THIS IS JESUS.
[Please don't confuse ISRAEL, CHURCH AND MARY the Woman Clothed with the Sun refers to them all and to each of them.]
ReplyDeleteyung BABAE sa revelations 12 ay nakadenote ng definite arcticlke and specified na ISA..
if i will consider it as multiple representations,
it will results to bias thinking..how about the man child..is it pertaining to one person?
how about the dragon?
these subjects i think are consistently pointing to one person or iisang katuparan ng hula or vision ni San Juan.
I feel upon reading the chapter and the other na nakita ni San Juan hindi maaring maging subjective sa paginterpret..WOMAN.MAN CHILD.DRAGON.are definite..other Subjects in revelations, if taken within context..should also be taken consistently..
if we will argue that Woman is sometimes MAry, because it has similarities with MAry..But some words are not pertaining Mary then we Will Assume the woman is Israel because may katangian na prang Israel..at minsan nmn IGlesia..
I think that is bias and subjective reading and
understanding of the Revelations of St. John..
[yung BABAE sa revelations 12 ay nakadenote ng definite arcticlke and specified na ISA..]
ReplyDeleteTHE DEFINITIVE ARTICLE DENOTES NUMERICAL UNIQUENESS. ON THE OTHER HAND HOWEVER, IT DOES NOT ELIMINATE MULTIPLE SIGNIFICATION AND INTERPRETATION OF THE SUBJECT. FOR INSTANCE, THE WORD "THE MOTHER". IT REFERS NUMERICALLY TO ONE BUT IT DOES NOT NEGATE MULTIPLE INTERPRETATIONS: IT COULD BE BIOLOGICAL MOTHER, IT COULD BE LEGALLY REFERRING TO THE ADOPTIVE MOTHER, OR ANALOGICALLY TO THE NATION AS 'INANG BAYAN" OR MOTHER COUNTRY.
ALMOST ALL CHRISTIAN INTERPRETERS OF THE BIBLE RECOGNIZE THAT THE BIBLE HAS A LITERAL SENSE, SPIRITUAL SENSE, MORAL SENSE, ANALOGICAL SENSE, HISTORICAL SENSE, SYMBOLIC SENSE, ETC. SO DESPITE THE DEFINITIVE ARTICLE IT DOES NOT REMOVE THE FACT THAT THE TEXT CAN BE CORRECTLY INTERPRETED IN DIFFERENT MANNERS.
[if i will consider it as multiple representations,
it will results to bias thinking..]
WHERE IS THE BIAS THERE? IF YOU WILL NOT ACCEPT THE MULTIPLE REPRESENTATIONS YOU WILL FALL INTO NARROW-MINDEDNESS BECAUSE THE TEXT DOES NOT NARROW THE INTERPRETATIONS INTO ONE.
[how about the man child..is it pertaining to one person?]
ReplyDeleteTHE CHILD IS UNIVERSALLY ACCLAIMED AS PERTAINING TO ONE PERSON BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY ONE CANDIDATE FOR IT. LITERALLY AND SYMBOLICALLY, SPIRITUALLY AND ANALOGICALLY THERE IS ONLY ONE REFERRED TO AS A MAN-CHILD WHO BECAME KING OF ALL NATIONS AND THAT IS THE LORD JESUS.
[how about the dragon?]
THE DRAGON IS NAMED IN REV 12:9 IT REFERS TO THE ANCIENT SERPENT WHOSE NAME IS SATAN. SYMBOLICALLY IT ALSO REFERS TO SIN, DEATH OR EVIL FORCES IN GENERAL.
[these subjects i think are consistently pointing to one person or iisang katuparan ng hula or vision ni San Juan.]
IF YOU ARE REFERRING TO ONE PERSON THE WOMAN CLOTHE WITH THE SUN IS NO OTHER THAN BUT MARY. BECAUSE ISRAEL IS A NATION NOT A PERSON. THEN THE CHURCH IS AN INSTITUTION NOT A PERSON. SO IF IT IS NOT MARY THEN WHO IS IT FOR YOU?
[I feel upon reading the chapter and the other na nakita ni San Juan hindi maaring maging subjective sa paginterpret..WOMAN.MAN CHILD.DRAGON.are definite..other Subjects in revelations, if taken within context..should also be taken consistently..]
THE PROBLEM WITH YOU IS THAT THE TERM WOMAN ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE IS NOT ONLY REFERRING TO A PERSON BUT ALSO TO ISRAEL AND TO THE CHURCH. THE PHRASE 'A WOMAN IN LABOR' IS ALSO USED FOR ISRAEL WHO IS REFERRED TO AS THE MOTHER ZION OR THE DAUGHTER ZION.
THE WORD WOMAN IS USED FOR MARY IN THE GOSPEL OF JOHN WHEREIN JESUS CONTINUOUSLY CALLED HER 'WOMAN' BUT GOD ALSO LIKENED THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL TO THAT WOMAN:
Is 26:17 Like as a woman with child, that draweth near the time of her delivery, is in pain, and crieth out in her pangs; so have we been in thy sight, O LORD.
Jer 4:31 For I have heard a voice as of a woman in travail, and the anguish as of her that bringeth forth her first child, the voice of the daughter of Zion, that bewaileth herself, that spreadeth her hands, saying, Woe is me now! for my soul is wearied because of murderers.
[if we will argue that Woman is sometimes MAry, because it has similarities with MAry..]
I DIDN'T SAY THAT 'THE WOMAN CLOTHE WITH THE SUN' SOMETIMES REFERS TO MARY. IT REFERS TO MARY LITERALLY ALWAYS AND AT ALL TIMES BECAUSE SHE IS THE MOTHER OF THE KING OF ALL NATIONS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME ALLEGORICALLY IT REFERS ALSO TO ISRAEL WHICH IS THE 'DAUGHTER ZION' REFERRED TO BY GOD IN ISAIAH AND JEREMIAH.
[But some words are not pertaining Mary then we Will Assume the woman is Israel because may katangian na prang Israel..at minsan nmn IGlesia..]
WHAT ARE THE WORDS THAT DOES NOT PERTAIN TO MARY? WILL YOU PLEASE CITE THEM?
[I think that is bias and subjective reading and
understanding of the Revelations of St. John..]
IT IS YOU WHO IS BIAS AND SUBJECTIVE. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO PUT BIASES IN YOUR WAY OF THINKING. I WAS TEACHING YOU THE MULTIPLE SENSES OF SCRIPTURES AND THEN YOU ERRONEOUSLY USED NUMERICAL STANDARD TO THE BIBLICAL TEXT. YOU ALSO ERRONEOUSLY INTERPRETED IT AS SOMETIMES MARY AND SOMETIMES ISRAEL OR CHURCH. IT IS NOT SOMETIMES. THE MULTIPLE INTERPRETATION IS EXISTING ALL AT ONCE. IT IS APPLYING TO THE TEXT A SCIENTIFIC METHOD OF INTERPRETING IT USING CRITICAL METHOD. IN EVERY SENTENCES WE MUST FIND THE LITERAL MEANING, ALLEGORICAL MEANING OR SYMBOLIC MEANING, ETC. FAILURE TO APPLY THESE THINGS WILL MAKE YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE TEXT NARROW AND SUPERFICIAL.