Wednesday, August 25, 2010

DEFENDING ST. PETER THE FIRST POPE AGAINST AN ANTI-CATHOLIC, Part 1 Debunking EKS

St. Peter the Apostle preaching in Rome with St. Mark the Evangelist. A magnificent work by Fra Angelico

eks said...

At kelan naman naging papa si Pedro? Idinamay ninyo si Pedro kayong mga katoliko kayo.

WAS PETER THE FIRST POPE?

No, because:

1. Peter was married, and popes cannot be married. In Matthew 8:14, 15 Jesus healed Peter's mother in law. "When Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his WIFE'S MOTHER laid, and sick of a fever." "Have we not power to lead about a sister, a WIFE, as well as ... Cephas (Peter)?" 1 Corinthians 9:5.

2. Peter would not allow men to bow down to him, as he forbad Cornelius in Acts 10:25, 26. "Cornelius met him, fell down at this feet, and worshipped him. Peter ... said stand up; I myself am a man." The pope likes men to bow down to him.

3. Peter rejected the "tradition from your fathers." (1 Peter 1:18), yet the Catholic church and popes base their teachings on man's traditions.

4. Peter wore no crown as the pope does.

5. Peter had no wealth as the pope has: "Peter said, silver and gold have I none ..." Acts 3:6. Peter never ACTED like a pope, never DRESSED like a pope, never SPOKE like a pope, and people never APPROACHED him as a pope.

6. Peter never took to himself the title "PONTIFIX MAXIMUS" as all the popes willingly accept, as seen by the initials P.M. after their names in the Vatican. This was a title of the pagan Roman Emperors from Juluis Caesar's time on. It means "Chief Bridge Maker between earth and heaven." This is a name of blasphemy for a man to take, and Peter never saw himself as such. Jesus Christ is the only Bridge Maker between earth and heaven. John 1:51.

August 24, 2010 9:33 PM

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

REPONSE TO EKS:

[At kelan naman naging papa si Pedro? Idinamay ninyo si Pedro kayong mga katoliko kayo.]

HA, HA, HA... TALAGANG EKIS TALAGA ANG PAG-IISIP NITO. HA, HA, HA... "EKS" DAW SIYA. KUNG "EKS" E DI YAN AY PLURAL NG "EK". IN OTHER WORDS SIYA AY "EK-EK". HA, HA, HA...

ANG PAPA ANG PANGUHANING LIDER NA ITINALAGA NI CRISTO UPANG MAMAHALA SA SANTA IGLESIA. SI PEDRO AY NAGING PAPA NOONG IPAGKATIWALA SA KANYA NG PANGINOONG JESUCRISTO ANG MGA SUSI NG KAHARIAN NG LANGIT AT PAGKALOOBAN SIYA NG KAPANGYARIHANG TAGOS-TAGUSAN HANGGANG LANGIT:

Matthew 16:18-19 "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

ANG KAPANGYARIHANG IYAN AY HINDI PINAGKALOOB KAY FELIX MANALO, ELISEO SORIANO, KAY EDDIE VILLANUEVA, QUIBOLOY AT KUNG SINO-SINO PANG MGA PASTOR NA PAWANG MGA HUWAD ANG CREDEBILIDAD AT AUTORIDAD. KAY SAN PEDRO IPINAGKATIWALA ANG PANGANGALAGA SA MGA TUPA NI CRISTO:

Juan 21:15 Kaya't nang mangakapagpawing gutom sila, ay sinabi ni Jesus kay Simon Pedro, Simon, anak ni Juan, iniibig mo baga ako ng higit kay sa mga ito? Sinabi niya sa kaniya, Oo, Panginoon; nalalaman mo na kita'y iniibig. Sinabi niya sa kaniya, Pakanin mo ang aking mga kordero.

Juan 21:16 Sinabi niya sa kaniyang muli sa ikalawa, Simon anak ni Juan, Iniibig mo baga ako? Sinabi niya sa kaniya, Oo, Panginoon; nalalaman mo na kita'y iniibig. Sinabi niya sa kaniya, Alagaan mo ang aking mga tupa.

Juan 21:17 Sinabi niya sa kaniya sa ikatlo, Simon, anak ni Juan, Iniibig mo baga ako? Nalumbay si Pedro sapagka't sa kaniya'y sinabing makaitlo, Iniibig mo baga ako? At sinabi niya sa kaniya, Panginoon, nalalaman mo ang lahat ng mga bagay; nalalaman mo na kita'y iniibig. Sinabi sa kaniya ni Jesus, Pakanin mo ang aking mga tupa.

LETRA FOR LETRA... ANG KATUNGKULAN NG PAG-AALAGA AT PAGPAPAKAIN SA MGA TUPA AY IPINAGKALOOB KAY SAN PEDRO. HINDI KAY SORIANO, MANALO, VILLANUEVA, QUIBOLOY, ELLEN GOULD WHITE AT KUNG SINO-SINO PANG MGA IMPAKTO SA TABI-TABI. HINDI N'YO MATANGGAP YAN KASI HINDI KAYO NAALAGAAN NI PEDRONG APOSTOL. KAYO AY KAMPON NG MGA EREHENG TAMPALASAN. ANG MGA TUPA AT KORDERO NI CRISTO AY NAKIKILALA ANG MABUTING PASTOL AT ANG TUNAY NA TAGAPAG-ALAGA NAMIN NA SI SAN PEDRONG APOSTOL. AYAW NAMIN KAY MANALO, SORIANO, VILLANUEVA, QUIBOLOY, ELLEN GOULD WHITE, CHARLES TAIZE RUSSEL AT IBA PANG MGA PEKE AT HUWAD NA LIDER NG HUWAD NA KAWAN.

ANG TUNAY NA KAWAN NI CRISTO AY INALAGAAN, GINABAYAN AT PINAMAHALAAN NI SAN PEDRONG APOSTOL. AT KINIKILALA NG SANTA IGLESIA ANG KABUTIHANG IPINAGKALOOB SA KANYA NG BUTIHIN AT HUWARANG APOSTOL NA SI PEDRO.

[WAS PETER THE FIRST POPE?
No,]

YES. OF COURSE, HE IS. IN FACT, HE IS OUR FIRST POPE.

August 25, 2010 8:52 AM
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4 comments:

  1. The Catholic doctrine is that Peter succeeded Christ as head and ruler of the Roman Catholic Church. Common sense dictates that one succeed another who left his post. But Christ never left His place as the head of His body, His Church, which in the first place has never been and will never be the Roman Catholic Church. The verses being referred to as basis for Peter's being the first pope are irrelevant.

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  2. The Church Jesus Christ will build is not the organization which men only propose He founded. The Church is the body of Christ and the body of Christ is not any organization of men. Peter cannot be the first pope of the Roman Catholic Church organization. He is a chosen apostle of Jesus Christ, one of the twelve who were never given authorities as head or rulers of their brethren. http://martincruzjr68.blogspot.com/

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  3. [The Catholic doctrine is that Peter succeeded Christ as head and ruler of the Roman Catholic Church.]

    OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE IGNORANT OF THE CATHOLIC DOCTRINE. IT IS NEVER A TEACHING OF THE CHURCH THAT PETER SUCCEEDED JESUS AS HEAD OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. RATHER JESUS CHOSE ST. PETER TO BE THE LEADER OF THE APOSTLES AND OF THE CHURCH AS HIS VICAR OR REPRESENTATIVE.

    CHRIST IS THE ETERNAL HEAD OF THE CHURCH BUT PETER WAS CHOSEN BY CHRIST TO LEAD HIS FLOCK. THUS, THE AUTHORITY OF PETER ORIGINATES FROM JESUS AND IS SUBORDINATE TO THAT OF JESUS. ANY CLAIM OF REPLACEMENT IS MERE HALLUCINATION.

    [Common sense dictates that one succeed another who left his post.]

    JESUS DIDN'T LEAVE HIS POST AND THEREFORE WE DO NOT TEACH THAT JESUS LEFT HIS POST. WHO IS THE FOOL WHO TAUGHT YOU THAT WE ARE TEACHING THAT JESUS LEFT HIS POST?

    [But Christ never left His place as the head of His body, His Church, which in the first place has never been and will never be the Roman Catholic Church.]

    THE CHURCH FOUNDED BY JESUS IS NO OTHER THAN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. IF IT IS NOT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH WHAT IS IT? TELL ME SO THAT WE CAN CHECK IT HAS THE CREDIBILITY AS YOU CLAIM.

    [The verses being referred to as basis for Peter's being the first pope are irrelevant.]

    YOUR ACCUSATION IS UNFOUNDED AND THEREFORE YOUR CONCLUSION IS NOT ONLY ERRONEOUS BUT PATHETIC. UNLESS YOU CAN PROVE THAT WE ARE TEACHING IN OUR OFFICIAL DOCTRINE THAT PETER SUCCEEDED IN THE POST OF JESUS WILL YOUR ARGUMENT BE VALID.

    YOUR REASONNG HAS NO FOUNDATION IN REALITY.

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  4. [The Church Jesus Christ will build is not the organization which men only propose He founded.]

    HA HA HA... WHO TOLD YOU THAT IT WAS NOT AN ORGANIZATION? JESUS ORGANIZED IT HIMSELF WITH 12 APOSTLES AS LEADERS AND OF 72 DISCIPLES. THEN LATER THEY ORDAINED BISHOPS, PRESBYTERS AND DEACONS.

    THEN THE BELIEVERS WERE CLUSTERED BY GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION: ROME, CORINTH, GALATIA, PHILIPPI, EPHESUS... YET THEY HAVE ONE GOD 1 Cor (1:8:6), ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM (1 Cor 12:13)... HOW CAN THAT BE NOT ORGANIZED AND NOT AN ORGANIZATION. THERE IS AN STRUCTURE, A SYSTEM OF AUTHORITY AS WELL AS BELIEFS... HE HE HE... YOU ARE HIGHLY CONFUSED. MOST PROBABLY YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF THE MEANING OF ORGANIZATION AND BEING ORGANIZED (cf. 1 Cor 12:12,20).


    [The Church is the body of Christ and the body of Christ is not any organization of men.]

    HA HA HA... THIS IS AN IDIOTIC STATEMENT. WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAYS THAT THE BODY OF CHRIST IS NOT AN ORGANIZATION OF MEN? NOWHERE. YOU ARE INVENTING A DOCTRINE THAT IS NOT BIBLICAL AND UNBIBLICAL. WHY? BECAUSE THE CHURCH IS COMPOSED BY APOSTLES, EVANGELISTS, BISHOPS, PRESBYTERS, DEACONS, BAPTIZED MEN AND WOMEN... HA HA HA... SO WHAT YOU CALL THE APOSTLES AND DISCIPLES? ARE THEY HUMANS OR NOT? ARE THEY DOGS AND PARROTS FOR YOU? ARE PETER AND PAUL, ANDREW AND JAMES, BARNABAS AND MARK, TIMOTHY AND TITUS, LAZARUS, MARIA AND MARTHA OF BETHANY, AQUILA AND PRISCILA ARE NOT MEN AND WOMEN FOR YOU? WHAT ARE THEY? MONKEYS? HA HA HA...

    THE CHURCH SPIRITUALLY SPEAKING IS THE BODY OF CHRIST BUT PRACTICALLY IT IS ALSO COMPOSED OF MEN AND WOMEN WHO HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED IN CHRIST. ONLY IDIOTS WILL DENY THAT. EVEN THE ANALOGY OF THE BODY WAS USED FOR THE CHURCH BECAUSE THE BODY IS ONE EVEN THOUGH COMPOSED OF MANY MEMBERS AND THEREFORE ORGANIZED AND UNIFIED, COMPOSITE AND SUBSTANTIALLY INTERCONNECTED WITH EACH OTHER. ST. PAUL BRILLIANTLY DECLARED IT SO:

    1 Cor 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

    SEE, THE CHRISTIANS ARE THE BODY OF CHRIST... THEY ARE MEMBERS.

    1 Cor 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

    1 Cor 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

    VERY CLEAR THAT THE CHURCH IS COMPOSED OF MEMBERS WHO ARE HUMANS. HA HA HA... OBVIOUSLY THE MEMBERS OF YOUR CHURCH ARE NOT HUMANS. THEY ARE EITHER DEMONS OR ANIMALS. WHICH IS WHICH? IN TAGALOG: "SINO SA INYO ANG BRUHA?" HA HA HA...

    [Peter cannot be the first pope of the Roman Catholic Church organization.]

    HE IS THE FIRST POPE BECAUSE HE IS THE FIRST OF THE APOSTLES AND GIVEN BY JESUS A SPECIAL AUTHORITY HIGHER AND GREATER THAN THE OTHER APOSTLES. IT WAS ON HIM THAT THE KEYS OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN WERE GIVEN (Matthew 16:18-19)

    [He is a chosen apostle of Jesus Christ, one of the twelve who were never given authorities as head or rulers of their brethren.]

    HA HA HA... JESUS WORD FOR WORD ENTRUSTED THE KEYS OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN TO ST. PETER. THAT IS BIBLICAL. NOW WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THAT NO AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO PETER? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE.

    http://martincruzjr68.blogspot.com/

    O MAY BE NOBODY READS YOUR BLOG SO THAT YOU ARE CALLING FOR ATTENTION HERE. IN TAGALOG: "KULANG KA SA PANSIN."

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