Saturday, August 14, 2010

ROUND OF FIERY EXCHANGE WITH BORN AGAIN PASTOR PAUL WAYNE LIM, Part 2 The Main Battle

Christ the Heavenly King honors His beloved Mother - the Virgin Mary as the Angels and Saints rejoice.

paul wayne lim said...

the Lord did not tell us that we must give great honor to the saints for they became close to the Lord...

did the Lord tell us give great honor to them for they became close to the Lord? he did not...for as the scripture says that "I, Jesus, no longer called you as a servants but I have called you as a friend...

did the Lord tell us to honor them for they are holy? he did not...but he said be holy for I am holy...

father don't be religious for religion can't save you but Christ will...

August 2, 2010 7:35 PM

paul wayne lim said...

we are not using any casting of metals or paintings or images or statues... for we only need Christ Himself we do not need any non sense displays inside the church for God knows that we only need Him in our daily lives... i know they became great part of the Bible but the point is can this saints save you????????

August 2, 2010 7:44 PM

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

Mr. Pastor Paul Wayne Lim,

[the Lord did not tell us that we must give great honor to the saints for they became close to the Lord...]

AFTER CLAIMING TO BE A PRIEST OF WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN FOUND LYING NOW YOU ARE ONCE AGAIN COMMITTING THE SAME LIE RIGHT ON SACRED SCRIPTURES.

The Bible is very clear. Honor and glory are given by the Lord and the people to those who are living godly lives, walking in righteousness and are favorable to the Lord:

Psalm 149:9 To execute upon them the judgment written: THIS HONOUR HAVE ALL HIS SAINTS. Praise ye the LORD.

SEE, THE SAINTS OF GOD HAVE HONOR. INSTEAD, YOU ARE REMOVING AND PROHIBITING THAT HONOR TO THE SAINTS OF GOD. YOUR WAY OF THINKING IS CONTRARY TO THE WILL OF GOD AND OF THE SACRED SCRIPTURE. SINCE IT IS CONTRARY TO GOD AND THE BIBLE IT IS DEMONIC.

AS YOU CAN SEE DAVID IS PRAISING THE LORD NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE LORD'S HONOR AND GLORY BUT ALSO BECAUSE THE SAINTS HAVE BEEN HONOURED BY GOD AND HE WROTE IT IN A BOOK THAT BECAME PART OF THE WORD OF GOD.

Here is another:

Proverbs 21:21 He that followeth after righteousness and mercy findeth life, righteousness, and HONOUR.

AGAIN, THE KING JAMES VERSION which is your own Bible IS VERY CLEAR AND CATEGORICAL. THOSE WHO LIVE IN RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL FIND HONOR. BUT YOU BELIEVE IN THE CONTRARY. FOR YOU THEY MUST NOT BE HONORED.

Another:

Proverbs 22:4 By humility and the fear of the LORD are riches, and HONOUR, and life.

Proverbs 29:23 A man's pride shall bring him low: but HONOUR shall uphold the humble in spirit.

WELL, MARY THE HANDMAIDEN OF THE LORD IS A WOMAN OF HUMILITY. SHE WHO CALLS HERSELF SERVANT OF THE LORD IS VERY HUMBLE IN SPIRIT AND FAITHFUL EVEN IN FRONT OF THE CROSS. THUS SHE IS HONOURED BY GOD AND BY THE PEOPLE. EXCEPT IN THE DEMONIC MENTALITIES OF THE BORN AGAIN WHO DOES NOT HONOR THE SAINTS AND THE HUMBLE IN SPIRIT.

[did the Lord tell us give great honor to them for they became close to the Lord? he did not...for as the scripture says that "I, Jesus, no longer called you as a servants but I have called you as a friend...]

YOU ARE LYING AGAIN. THE SERVANTS OF GOD MUST BE HONORED BY MEN BECAUSE GOD WILL DO SO AND HAS HONORED THEM. THE SERVANTS OF GOD ARE FRIENDS OF GOD. IF YOU WILL INSULT THE FRIEND OF YOUR FRIEND YOU ARE INSULTING YOUR FRIEND IN EFFECT. IF YOU TRULY LOVE AND HONOUR GOD YOU WILL ALSO LOVE THOSE WHOM HE LOVES AND HATE WHAT HE HATES AND ACCORD HONOR TO THOSE WHOM HE HONORS FOR ARE HIS FRIENDS:

John 12:26 If any MAN serve me, let him FOLLOW me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man SERVE me, him will my Father HONOUR.

HA, HA, HA... SEE, GOD THE FATHER HIMSELF WILL HONOUR THOSE WHO SERVE HIM AND JESUS. THE PROPHETS, THE APOSTLES, MARY AND JOSEPH, THE EVANGELISTS [The real one... THE FOUR AUTHORS OF GOSPEL ACCOUNT... not your fake evangelists on TV] AND THOSE WHO LIVE JUSTLY ARE HONORED BY GOD AND THEREFORE MUST BE HONOURED BY HIS PEOPLE:

Matthew 13:57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is NOT WITHOUT HONOUR, save in his own country, and in his own house. [The Prophets are being honoured]

SO THE PROPHETS ARE BEING HONOURED EXCEPT IN THEIR OWN HOUSE, TO WHOM THAT HOUSE REFERS? THE PHARISEES AND THE JEWS WHO REFUSED TO HONOR THE PROPHETS. TODAY IT APPLIES TO YOU AND YOUR KIND BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT HONORING THE PROPHETS AND THE SAINTS - THE SERVANTS OF GOD. INSTEAD YOU PROHIBIT PEOPLE IN HONORING THEM. YOU ARE THE MODERN PHARISEES.

Romans 2:10 "But GLORY, HONOUR, and peace, to every MAN that WORKETH GOOD, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile"

EVERY MAN WHO WORKS GOOD MUST BE GIVEN GLORY, HONOUR AND PEACE. THAT IS WHY THE SCIENTISTS WHO DISCOVERED OR INVENTED VALUABLE THINGS FOR THE GOOD OF MANKIND ARE HONORED AND GLORIFIED. THEIR NAMES ARE ON THE HISTORY BOOKS AND SCHOOL TEXTBOOKS, THEIR LIVES STUDIED... STATUES ARE BUILT ON THEIR HONORS... THEIR FACES GRACES THE STAMPS... AND COMMEMORATIVE COINS ARE DISTRIBUTED TO REMEMBER THEM. THE SAME MANNER OF HONOR AND GLORY ARE ACCORDED TO THE NATIONAL HEROES, GOOD PRESIDENTS AND PRIME MINISTERS, OLYMPIC CHAMPIONS, BELOVED PUBLIC SERVANTS, VICTORIOUS GENERALS LIKE MCARTHUR, EISENHOWER, AND PATTON. AND THE SAME HONOR AND GLORY ARE GIVEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO WERE VERY VERY FAITHFUL TO GOD AND SERVED THE POOR AND THE NEEDY - THE SAINTS.

THE PROBLEM WITH YOU PASTOR PAUL WAYNE LIM IS THAT YOU ARE HIDING THESE VERSES TO YOUR FAITHFUL IN ORDER TO LURE THEM INTO YOUR FELLOWSHIPS. PLEASE BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF AND WITH YOUR PEOPLE.

IF YOU ARE SINCERELY PREACHING THAT THE SAINTS MUST NOT BE HONORED THEN IT SHOWS THAT YOU ARE IGNORANT OF THE BIBLE BECAUSE THE BIBLE CATEGORICALLY, DIRECTLY PROMOTES GIVING HONOUR TO SAINTS, PROPHETS AND THE GOOD SERVANTS OF GOD.

[did the Lord tell us to honor them for they are holy? he did not...but he said be holy for I am holy...]

THE LORD HONOURED THEM NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE HOLY BUT BECAUSE THEY 'OBEYED' HIS COMMAND 'TO BE HOLY FOR I AM HOLY'. THEY ARE HONORED BECAUSE THEY DO OR DID THE WILL OF GOD [cf. Matthew 7:21]

2 Timothy 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto HONOUR, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

HA, HA, HA... YOU SEE. THE MAN WHO MAKES HIMSELF HOLY OR PURIFIED THROUGH THE GRACE OF GOD SHALL BECOME A VESSEL OF HONOR.

ST. PAUL WAS A FORMER SINNER BUT HE PURGED OR PURIFIED HIS LIFE TO THE POINT THAT LATER HE COULD DECLARE "I DO NO LONGER LIVE FOR MYSELF BUT CHRIST LIVING IN ME":

Galatian 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

ST. PAUL MUST BE GIVEN HONOR FOR ABANDONING HIS SINFUL LIFE OF PERSECUTING THE CHURCH AND BECOMING A FAITHFUL MINISTER OF CHRIST. HE HAS BECOME FOR US CATHOLIC CHRISTIANS A VESSEL OF HONOR. THAT IS WHY WE HONOR HIM AS A TRUE SERVANT OF GOD. A TRUE SERVANT OF GOD REMEMBER IS TO BE HONOURED BY THE FATHER HIMSELF SAYS THE LORD.

YOU SEE... YOUR TEACHING IS UNBIBLICAL AND CONTRARY TO THE BIBLE. YOU ARE OPPOSING GOD AND THE SACRED SCRIPTURES. ABANDON YOUR ERRONEOUS TEACHINGS.

August 4, 2010 8:52 AM

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

[father don't be religious for religion can't save you but Christ will...]

WHO IS THE DEVIL THAT TOLD YOU THAT RELIGION CAN'T SAVE? WHERE IS THAT IN THE BIBLE? THAT LIE IS A NEW INVENTION BY THE BORN AGAIN.

DID CHRIST TEACH US TO ABANDON RELIGION?

DID THE APOSTLES TEACH US TO REJECT RELIGION?

NO, NO, NO!!!

HERE IS WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT RELIGION:

1 Timothy 3:16 No one can deny how great is the secret of OUR RELIGION: He appeared in human form, was shown to be right by the Spirit, and was seen by angels. He was preached among the nations, was believed in throughout the world, and was taken up to heaven. [Today's English Version/Good News Bible]

1 Timothy 3:16 Here is the great mystery of OUR RELIGION: Christ came as a human. The Spirit proved that he pleased God, and he was seen by angels. Christ was preached to the nations. People in this world put their faith in him, and he was taken up to glory. [Contemporary English Version]

"OUR RELIGION!" THE APOSTLES HAVE RELIGION... UNLIKE THE BORN AGAIN WHO DO NOT HAVE RELIGION. THAT IS WHY THEY DO NOT BELONG TO THE RELIGION OF THE APOSTLES BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY RELIGION. IT IS USELESS FOR THEM. DO YOU SEE THE CONTRAST BETWEEN YOUR BELIEF AND THAT OF THE APOSTLES?

AS SHOWN IN THE FOLLOWING VERSES AFTER ST. PAUL ANNOUNCED THE MYSTERY OF OUR RELIGION HE WENT ON TO DECLARE THE SUBSTANCE OF CHRISTIAN FAITH: The Incarnation of Jesus, His Divinity being of the Spirit, Jesus supremacy over the angels and His proclamation all over the world.

WHAT DOES THAT SIGNIFY? OUR RELIGION LEADS US TO THE CORRECT UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE FAITH. IF YOUR RELIGION IS WRONG THEN YOUR FAITH IS WRONG. FOR INSTANCE, IF ONE'S RELIGION IS SATANISM HIS WORSHIP WILL NOT BE DIRECTED TO THE LORD JESUS BUT TO THE DEVIL.

THUS, THE CLAIM OF THE BORN AGAIN THAT RELIGION IS NOT NECESSARY AND THAT THEY DON'T HAVE RELIGION SHOWS THAT THEY BELONG TO THE DEVIL BECAUSE THE TRUE CHRISTIANS HAVE RELIGION. IT IS NOWHERE DECLARED IN THE BIBLE THAT RELIGION MUST BE REJECTED. IT IS TRUE THAT JESUS IS OUR SAVIOR BUT OUR SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST DIDN'T ASK US TO REJECT RELIGION.

THERE IS ANOTHER ASPECT OF RELIGION THAT YOU MUST CONSIDER:

James 1:27 What God the Father considers to be PURE AND GENUINE RELIGION is this: to take care of orphans and widows in their suffering and to keep oneself from being corrupted by the world.

THE APOSTLE ST. JAMES AGREES WITH ST. PAUL THAT THERE IS A PURE AND GENUINE RELIGION. THIS RELIGION IS INSTRUMENTAL IN OUR WORKS OF CHARITIES AND IN KEEPING ONESELF FROM CORRUPTION OF THE WORLD. IT MEANS THAT THE ABSENCE OF THIS TRUE AND PURE RELIGION IS DANGEROUS FOR ONE'S SOUL. YOU ARE MAKING YOURSELF VULNERABLE TO THE CORRUPTION OF THIS WORLD.

[we are not using any casting of metals or paintings or images or statues...]

SORRY FOR YOU BECAUSE GOD PREFERS TO USE METALS AND GRAVEN IMAGES FOR HIS GLORY IN HIS VERY TEMPLE:

Exodus 25:18-20 Make two winged creatures of hammered gold, one for each end of the lid. Make them so that they form one piece with the lid. The winged creatures are to face each other across the lid, and their outspread wings are to cover it.

SEE, GOD HIMSELF ORDERED MOSES TO MAKE WINGED CREATURES MADE OF GOLD. IT SHOWS THAT GOD IS NOT AS NARROW MINDED AS YOU ARE. YOU ARE PROHIBITING WHAT GOD HIMSELF ALLOWED.

Exodus 26:1 "Make the interior of the sacred Tent, the Tent of my presence, out of ten pieces of fine linen woven with blue, purple, and red wool. Embroider them with figures of winged creatures."

ONCE AGAIN, IMAGES IN THE TEMPLE MADE BY EMBROIDERY. WE ARE DOING THESE UNTIL NOW. MANY OF OUR IMAGES IN OUR HOUSES OF WORSHIPS ARE MADE OF EMBROIDERY. IN MAGANDANG BALITA BIBLIA IT IS EVEN RENDERED: "Ito'y buburdahan ninyo ng LARAWAN ng kerubin, at pare-pareho ang sukat."

THERE GOES YOUR STUPID CLAIM THAT HAVING IMAGES IN THE CHURCH IS PROHIBITED. THERE ARE IMAGES AND "LARAWAN" IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD. IN FACT, YOU WILL BE SURPRISED TO SEE WHAT IS THE IMAGE OF THAT CHERUBIM:

Ezekiel 1:5 "At the center of the storm I saw what looked like four living creatures in human form" [Good News Bible]

SEE, "HUMAN FORM". IN KING JAMES VERSION IT IS RENDERED 'THEY HAD THE LIKENESS OF A MAN'. AND ALSO "THE FACE OF A MAN":

Ezekiel 1:10-11 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle. Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies.

THESE ARE THE KIND OF IMAGES WE HAVE IN OUR HOUSES OF WORSHIPS.

[for we only need Christ Himself we do not need any non sense displays inside the church]

IF THE IMAGES IN THE TEMPLE ARE NON-SENSE THEN THE MEETING TENT BUILT BY MOSES WAS NONSENSE DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT WAS GOD WHO ORDERED IT.

IF THAT IS THE CASE THE TEMPLE ORDERED BY GOD TO BE BUILT IN JERUSALEM WAS NONSENSE.

BE CAREFUL ON WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BECAUSE IT WILL APPEAR THAT YOU ARE COMMITTING SACRILEGE AGAINST THE LORD GOD WHO WANTED TO HAVE IMAGES INSIDE HIS HOUSE OF WORSHIP.

YOU ARE ONLY REINFORCING THE FACT THAT YOUR god IS DIFFERENT FROM THE GOD OF MOSES AND SOLOMON AND OF JESUS CHRIST WHO WAS WORSHIPPING IN THE TEMPLE OF JERUSALEM DESPITE THE FACT THAT THERE WERE IMAGES THEREIN.

[for God knows that we only need Him in our daily lives...]

THIS IS A SIMPLE NONSENSE AND FULL OF STUPIDITY. GOD KNOWS THAT WE NEED HIM MORE THAN ANY OTHER BUT GOD IS NOT AN IDIOT TO TELL US THAT WE DON'T NEED ANY OTHER PERSON.

IF YOU ONLY NEED GOD WHY DO YOU HAVE YOUR PARENTS? SO, YOU DON'T NEED YOUR PARENTS? GOD SAID 'HONOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER'. SO THE CATHOLIC SAYS WE NEED OUR PARENTS.

GOD GAVE US PATRIARCHS, PROPHETS, APOSTLES, BISHOPS, PRESBYTERS, DEACONS BECAUSE HE WANTS US TO NEED OTHERS BESIDE HIM AND OURSELF. THAT DOGMA OF THE BORN AGAIN 'ME AND JESUS ONLY' IS SATANIC. THAT IS A FORM OF SELFISHNESS. THAT IS EGOISTIC.

WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THAT YOU NEED JESUS ALONE? JUST IN THE EARLIEST CHAPTERS OF THE BOOK OF GENESIS, ADAM ALREADY COMPLAINED TO GOD THAT HE NEEDS A PARTNER. GOD IS NOT AN IDIOT TO THINK LIKE YOU: "HEY MR. ADAM. YOU DON'T NEED A WIFE. YOU ONLY NEED ME. YOU AND ME ALONE, SO BE HAPPY WITH ME." NO, NO, NO. GOD CREATED A WOMAN SO THAT MAN WILL BE HAPPY AND CONTENT. NOT ONLY THAT HE GAVE HIM THE BEASTS OF THE FIELDS, THE CREATURES OF THE SEA, THE BIRDS OF THE AIR, THE MOON AND THE STARS AND THE PARADISE TO LIVE IN. GOD GAVE US A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE NEED AND THE GREATEST GIFT IS THE ONE AND ONLY SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST. GOD NEVER TAUGHT THAT WE DON'T NEED OTHERS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT THE SAVIOR. THAT IS WHY THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD ARE SUMMARIZED AS: LOVE OF GOD AND LOVE OF NEIGHBOR. GOD DID SAY: "YOU DON'T NEED YOUR NEIGHBOR. I AM YOUR ONLY SAVIOR."

GOD GAVE US A FAMILY, A COMMUNITY, A NATION AND A WORLD TO LIVE IN. WE NEED GOD ABOVE ALL ELSE BUT WE NEED HUMAN BEINGS ALSO.

[i know they became great part of the Bible but the point is can this saints save you????????]

WE NEVER TEACH THAT SAINTS CAN SAVE. BEAR THAT IN MIND.

NOW, CAN THESE SAINTS SAVE US? NO.

BUT DO WE NEED THEM? YES. BECAUSE MAN BECOME A SAINT THROUGH THE GRACE OF GOD. IF THERE IS NO SAINT THEN IT MEANS THAT ALL OF US ARE EVIL AND THE REDEMPTION OF CHRIST WAS INEFFECTIVE. THE PRESENCE OF SAINTS IN THE WORLD PROVES THAT THE GRACE OF GOD IS MORE POWERFUL THAN SIN.

NOW, WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THE TEACHING THAT IF ONE CANNOT SAVE YOU THAT PERSON IS NOT NEEDED? WHERE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE?

WILL YOUR MOTHER SAVE YOU? NO. SO YOUR MOTHER IS A GARBAGE IN YOUR LIFE.

WILL YOUR WIFE SAVE YOU? NO. SO YOU DON'T NEED A WIFE.

WILL YOUR CHILDREN SAVE YOU? NO. SO BETTER NOT HAVE CHILDREN.

YOUR REASONING THAT SINCE SOMEONE CANNOT SAVE ME THEN THAT ONE IS NOT NEEDED IN MY LIFE OR IN MY FAITH IS A GARBAGE REASONING MR. PASTOR. IT IS TOO CHEAP. TOO ILLOGICAL.

WE AS HUMAN PERSONS HAVE PETS EVEN THOUGH THOSE DOGS AND CATS CANNOT SAVE US.

WE HONOR OUR HEROES AND PRESIDENTS EVEN THOUGH THEY CANNOT SAVE US.

THE FACT THAT GOD GAVE US PATRIARCHS, PROPHETS, APOSTLES, MARY AND JOSEPH AND THE SAINTS THEN WE WILL LOVE, RESPECT AND HONOR THEM AS GOD WANTED US TO DO.

ONCE AGAIN, I REPEAT. YOUR POSITION IS ANTI-BIBLICAL AND ILLOGICAL.

August 4, 2010 2:16 PM

paul wayne lim said...

father, i don't want to talk with a fool for i will become a fool also... this is the last time that i would visit this blog... i don't want to release words to a non sense conversation.... i don't want to adopt your bad, stupid attitude for i know that if i would keep on chat with you I MIGHT ADOPT YOUR DISGUSTING ATTITUDE..."IKA NGA SA TAGALOG WAG MUNG PATULAN ANG MANG MANG KUNG AYW MUNG MABANSAG BILANG MANG MANG"...

don't you ever judge others if you don't want any fight (physically, mentally, spiritually and so on...)... JUST SHUT UP!!!

August 9, 2010 10:27 PM

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

PASTOR PAUL WAYNE LIM,

[father, i don't want to talk with a fool for i will become a fool also...]

WELL, YOU ARE A FOOL ALREADY FOLLOWING THAT STANDARD THAT YOU YOURSELF HAS ESTABLISHED. BECAUSE YOU TALKED TO ME WHOM YOU BELEIVED TO BE A FOOL. YOU JUST TURNED YOURSELF INTO A FOOL.

I WAS NOT ENTERING YOUR BLOG. IT WAS YOU WHO ENTERED HERE AND STARTED SENDING MESSAGES TO ME. YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN YOUR OWN FOOLISHNESS.

[this is the last time that i would visit this blog...]

PRAISE THE LORD. ALLELUIA. AMEN. IS THERE A NEED TO SAY THAT? DO YOU EXPECT ME TO SAY 'THANK YOU' FOR THAT? SUCH A THING IS BETTER DONE THAN SAID OR WRITTEN. SO,

AU REVOIR.
ADIOS.

SAYONARA!

[i don't want to release words to a non sense conversation....]

NON-SENSE CONVERSATION? YOU CALLED IT NON-SENSE BECAUSE YOU CANNOT PROVIDE BIBLICAL SUPPORTS FOR YOUR POSITION.

YOU ARE CALLING IT NONSENSE BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN REVEALED AS A 'FRAUD' PASTOR.

AFTER CLAIMING DECEPTIVELY AS PRIEST THEN YOU TURNED OUT TO BE A PASTOR. THEN YOUR LIES ARE NOT YET ENOUGH... YOU'VE SAID THAT HUMAN PERSONS SHOULD NOT BE HONORED. BUT YOU WERE FLABBERGASTED WHEN I BLASTED YOUR ARGUMENTS THROUGH THE BIBLE... FROM THE SCRIPTURES I SHOWED THAT HUMANS ARE BEING HONORED 'BY GOD HIMSELF'. THAT THOSE WHO LIVE RIGHTEOUS LIVES ARE BEING HONORED BY GOD AND PEOPLE.

YOU ARE SIMPLY RUNNING AWAY FROM YOUR SHAME.

[i don't want to adopt your bad, stupid attitude]

SO, FOR YOU IT IS GOOD ATTITUDE, A PROPER CHRISTIAN ATTITUDE TO PRETEND TO BE A PRIEST WHEN YOU ARE NOT EH. HOW NICE OF YOU. DO YOU THINK YOU WILL GO TO HEAVEN WITHOUT APOLOGIZING FOR THAT LIE?

HOW ABOUT TEACHING PEOPLE THAT:

1. HUMAN PERSONS MUST NOT BE HONORED.
2. THE SAINTS AND MARY MUST NOT BE HONORED AND NOT NEEDED BECAUSE THEY CANNOT SAVE.

AREN'T THESE DOCTRINES SATANIC? THEY CONTRADICT THE BIBLE. AS HUMAN PERSONS WE NEED ANOTHER PERSONS EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT SAVIORS. WE NEED AIR. IS AIR OUR SAVIOR? WE NEED SUNLIGHT. IS THE SUNLIGHT OUR SAVIOR? IS THE SUN OUR GOD? NO. BUT WE NEED THEM... GOD ORDAINED IN NATURE THAT WE NEED OTHERS.

YOU HAVEN'T ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS. IF YOU ONLY NEED JESUS BECAUSE HE IS YOUR SAVIOR SO: WHY DO YOU NEED YOUR PARENTS? WHY DO YOU NEED YOUR WIFE? WHY DO YOU NEED YOUR CHILDREN? DO YOU NEED FOOD? IS FOOD YOUR SAVIOR? CAN FOOD SAVE YOU? HOW ABOUT YOUR BRAIN, IS YOUR BRAIN POWERFUL ENOUGH TO SAVE YOU?

[for i know that if i would keep on chat with you I MIGHT ADOPT YOUR DISGUSTING ATTITUDE...]

IT IS YOUR ATTITUDE WHICH IS DISGUSTING. YOU ARE A CERTIFIED LIAR AND A FALSE TEACHER. YOU ARE SIMPLY HIDING YOUR IGNORANCE OF THE SCRIPTURES AND YOU ARE ANGRY BECAUSE I BROUGHT IT UP.

["IKA NGA SA TAGALOG WAG MUNG PATULAN ANG MANG MANG KUNG AYW MUNG MABANSAG BILANG MANG MANG"...]

KAYA NGA MAS MANGMANG KA SA KIN KASI PUMASOK KA SA BLOG NA ITO AT NAGPADALA NG MGA KASINUNGALINGANG MGA PANGUNGUSAP.

NUNG SINABI KONG STUPID ANG ARGUMENTO MO TINURAN KO IYON DAHIL MAY BASIS AKO. DAHIL ALAM KONG PWEDENG 'I-HONOR' ANG MGA TAO AYON SA BIBLIA. KAHIT HINDI SANTO. BAWAT TAO DAPAT I-HONOR. SIEMPRE MAS LALO NA YUNG NABUHAY SA KABUTIHAN AT NAGLINGKOD NG TAPAT SA DIOS.

[don't you ever judge others if you don't want any fight (physically, mentally, spiritually and so on...)... JUST SHUT UP!!!]

YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SHUT ME UP. YOU LIAR.

THIS IS MY BLOG. I AM THE OWNER OF THIS BLOG. I AM AT HOME. YOU ENTERED MY TERRITORY WITHOUT ME INVITING YOU THEN YOU WILL TELL ME TO SHUT UP. YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH BUT YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SHUT OTHERS.

I AM NOT JUDGING OTHERS. I AM JUDGING YOUR ARGUMENTS WHICH I FIND STUPID, ILLOGICAL AND UNBIBLICAL. IT IS A CHALLENGE FOR YOU TO SHOW THEM AS LOGICAL AND BIBLICAL.

YOU ARE ANGRY BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN UNMASKED AS A 'FRAUD'. LET YOUR FOLLOWERS AND MEMBERS SEE FOR THEMSELVES HOW THEIR PASTOR IS REELING IN SHAME AFTER HAVING ANSWERED AND REFUTED BY A CATHOLIC PRIEST.

August 10, 2010 9:19 AM

paul wayne lim said...

i love you father, because our Lord said love your enemies, and He also said love one another...

August 14, 2010 6:45 AM

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

PRAISE THE LORD. ALLELUIA. AMEN.

I LOVE YOU TOO PASTOR PAUL. I DON'T WANT TO FIGHT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE. I AM SIMPLY DOING MY DUTY OF EXPLAINING OUR FAITH BASED ON THE BIBLE. BUT IF YOU WILL ATTACK OUR FAITH WITH FIRE THEN FIRE SHALL BE MET BY FIRE.

I HONOR YOU FOR YOUR ACT OF CHARITY AND FOR BEING AN AGENT OF PEACE.

August 14, 2010 9:07 AM

38 comments:

  1. Hi Fr. Abe,

    DELIKADO YANG WALANG RELIHIYON! SI PABLO SA 1 TIMOTHY 3:16 SABI NIYA "GREAT IS OUR RELIGION", EH ANO BA ANG RELIHIYON NI PABLO DIBA CHRISTIANITY? SABI NAMAN NG MGA BORN AGAIN "NO RELIGION", SINO BA PANINIWALAAN NATIN SI PABLO NA NAGSASABI NA MY RELIHIYON O ANG BORN AGAIN NA NAGSASABI NA WALA?

    NGAYON INAMIN NI PABLO MAY RELIHIYON SIYA AT ANG RELIHIYON NIYA AY CHRISTIANITY AT ANG MGA MIYEMBRO SA RELIHIYONG CHRISTIANITY AY TINATAWAG NA CHRISTIAN. ANG MGA BORN AGAIN NI REJECT NILA ANG RELIHIYON, ANG CHRISTIANITY AY RELIHIYON IBIG SABIHIN NI REJECT NILA ANG CHRISTIANITY. ANG TANONG KO DIBA SI LUCIFER HINDI CHRISTIAN? IBIG SABIHIN HINDI SIYA KASAPI NG RELIHIYONG CHRISTIANITY, IBIG SABIHIN WALA DIN SIYANG RELIHIYON!

    PARANG MAY KA TUNOG AH. . .

    BORN AGAIN NO RELIGION
    LUCIFER NO RELIGION

    NAKO! KAMBAL TUKO BA ITO? HEHEHE MAGISIP-ISIP HABANG MAY PANAHON PA MAHIRAP NA.HEHEHE

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  2. GREAT JOB FATHER ABE! ANG GALING NG PALIWANAG NYO! NATATARANTA NA PO YUNG KAUSAP NINYO HEHEHE!

    MORE POWER AND GOD BLESS PO!

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  3. hi father, may i know your email address? i tried sending an email to splendor1618@yahoo.com but my email bounced back. I would just like to send you something which may be of help to you. thank you!

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  4. Natumbok mo Bro. Isahel. Kung wala silang relihiyon ibig sabihin hindi sila Christians dahil ang Christianity ay Religion.

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  5. Dear JBS,

    I cannot put my e-mail add publicly here otherwise the anti-Catholics will infest it with so many things.

    Also, I do not give my e-mail to those whom I am not familiar with. Please introduce yourself to me...

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  6. hahaha na-expose ang mga born-against:) aral demonyo kasi. More power to this blog and to father for being a very very very big help to Catholics and other searching for the truth

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  7. Thank you so Bro. Gregor. God bless you too.

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  8. Thank you Father sa malinaw na paliwanag. More Power and May God bless you always.

    Di kaya ni Pastor Wayne kontrahin ang paliwanag mo kasi lahat nasa Bible. Ang taong ayaw makita ang katotohanan sarado ang mata ang nakita lang niya yung sinabi mo na illogical, stupid at demonic di niya nakikita na lahat ng sinasabi niya ay nagpapatunay lamang na malayo siya sa salita ng Diyos. Kaya saan siya kakampi sa kaaway ng mga tapat at nagmamahal sa Diyos.

    "don't you ever judge others if you don't want any fight (physically, mentally, spiritually and so on...)... JUST SHUT UP!!! matapos niyang sabihin ito, He will send you his love kasi mas madali siyang makikila sa tunay na anyo niya kung di siya magpapakababang loob. Ikaw ang kung ano ano pinagsasabi mong wala sa Bible tapos magagalit kang sabihan kang tanga e sa isip at puso mo lahat galing ang mga pinagsasabi mo. Akala mo ata ikaw lang ang marunong magbasa e kaya kung alin lang ang maisipan mong intindihin, ang pang unawa na walang gabay ng Holy Spirit e walang saysay kasi magiging personal interpretation mo ito.

    Kaawaan nawa tayo ng ating Panginoong Hesukristo.

    Maria Remedios Aquirre


    August 9, 2010 10:27 PM

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  9. naku father last time daw pero babalik at babalik ang mga yan ika nga ang diablo pagsinusupil lalong nagwawala sa pamaamgitan ng pagtatago sa likod ng ibang katauhan,,yan yung mga born again na born against catholic hehehe,,kulang pa kayo sa pagsusuri alam natin na ang bible ang katotohanan pero minsan ang pagpapaliwanag ay hindi tugma doon sa sinasabi ng bibliya kaya nga kayo puro mga banat nalang sa katoliko,,galing namn kayo sa katoliko yan ang sinasabi di lahat ay kumikilala kay kristo dahil kung isa kayo sa kaanib ng katoliko bakit kayo tumiwalag bakit kayo naghahanap ng katotohanan,,mahirap lang sa born again ayaw patalo kahit saan gagamit at gagamit ng kapamaraanan na makapghikayat sa ibang katoliko na sumama sa kanila,,huwag po tayo palinlang dahil sila'y mabait pero tigib ng kasamaan ang budhi pakitang tao lamang ang kanilang ginagawa,,mga born against basahin po ninyo ng buo ang lumang tipan at ipaliwanag ninyo bakit iniutos ang pag gawa ng imahe at rebulto ng kerubin pati na rin ang pag gawa ng templo ng diyos na kung saan may mga sukat at lapad,,kasi tinanong ko na yan sa inyo di niyo sinagot sabi niyo pwede rin kayo maglagay bakit di kayo maglagay ng kerubin sa bahay panambahan,,namumuna kayo sa dasal namin bakit d niyo punahin yung dasal niyo na pablik balik din naman,,namumuna kayo sa ginagawa ng katoliko pag may mga semana santa bakit kayo nakiki join din naman kayo pasko new year di ba gawang katoliko lng yan ipakita namn ninyo ang inyong pinaniniwalaan,,namumuna kayo sa mga namamanata bakit kayo di ba sa mga pastor niyo may mga malahimala din naman kayo ah!!dami niyong pinupuna pero ginagawa din naman ninyo,,ngayon patunayan niyo yan pagdating sa binyagan namumuna kayo bakit nagbibinyag din naman kayo ng bata,,wala pang baptismal pagdating sa paglibing saan kayo doon sa katoliko pag di pinyagan galit pa,,saan ba talaga kayong mga born again?kontra kayo ng kontra bandang huli saan kayo napapapunta sa katoliko pa din,,tinanong kayo kung saan ang libingan niyo ano sagot niyo sa sementeryo,,nung maghihingalo na ang patay ano ginawa wala!!tinanong kayo sino magmimisa sa patay ang pastor ano ginawa dasal tapos imbalsamo after nun libing na,,pag nailibing na goodbye na si patay mabulok ka man wala na silang pakialam basta nailibing na ganyan ba ang sitema ninyo,,kami hindi kahit patay siya andun yung pa rin yung pag ibig namin sa mga taong nawala sa buhay nmin andun yung mga alala na pinagdidwang tuwing fiesta ng patay ,, pero naniniwala naman kayo sa all souls day bakit di niyo dalawin yung mga patay niyo,,di ba katoliko din yan,,hirap naman kasi sa inyo buking na ayaw pa rin patalo pinipilit pa rin ang kagustuhan ninyo kahit mali na,,,dami rin kayong nilalabag sa kautusan,,kaya nga poh mas maganda wag po tayo magsasalita against sa katoliko dahil ni sa misa namin wala kayong marinig na paninira ni pangungutya sa paniniwala ninyo,,wala din sa amin iniutos ang padre na sumamba kami sa diyos diyosan,ito pa namumuna kayo na ang mga pari magaganda ang tirahan diyan kayo mali dahil ang mga pari abot sa limos ang kinakain niyan dahil wala sila sahod bagkus galing sa mga magagandang loob ang binigay sa kanila hindi sapilitan,,wala silang bahay na permamente para sa inyong kaalaman,,ang pari namin malaki ang sakripisyo para sa iglesya katolika,,,kaya kami saludo sa mga pari dahil alam nmin kung papaano sila maglingkod sa panginoon,,,,,kayo papano kayo maglingkod?god bless poh!!!!


    j,s.
    ksa

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  10. hi father..ako po ay isang katoliko nag tratrabaho sa saudi..may mga born again po na nag iinvite sa akin, nag taka ako bakit apostol ang tawag nila sa preacher nila...tama ba ito father?

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  11. He said he won't come back. Hwag kayong magkompyansa. Babalik yan. Pero hindi na nakamaskara bilang pari. Babalik yan bilang isang sister.

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  12. Thank you very much, Sis. Maria Remedios. Thank you for your prayers and support. YOu are all my strength.

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  13. Dear Richard,

    ANG KAPAL NAMAN NG MUKA NG MGA PREACHER NA IYAN. HE, HE, HE... IMAGINE, APOSTOL ANG TAWAG NILA SA PREACHER NILA. HA, HA, HA...

    SIEMPRE MALI YAN BROTHER. KASI TWELVE APOSTLES LANG NAMAN ANG PINILI NI JESUS, THEN NUNG NAMATAY SI JUDAS ANG PUMALIT AY SI ST. MATTHIAS. IDAGDAG PA NATIN SI SAN PABLO. SI SINA BARBANAS, TIMOTEO AT TITO AS SECONDARY APOSTLES. WHEN THEY DIED THE TITLE STOPPED FROM BEING USED.

    KAYA PEKE SILA.

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  14. Ha, ha,ha... OO nga, babalik yan hindi na bilang pari kundi bilang sister. ha, ha, ha... tama ka Anonymous.

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  15. Praised be Jesus, Mary and Joseph!

    Hello Father Abe! aba, the BORN AGAINST strikes again na naman po. they are Vampires, rising from their coffins, their "Wolves in Sheep's clotihng" hehehehe. Naku Father, na unmasked mo na naman po ang kanilang mga mapaglinlang na katauhan. Hindi daw kailangan ang religion, excuse me, anu kaya ang nilalagya nila sa mga application forms nial pag nag aaply or any forms. kung halimbawa, nakalgay sa forms "Religion" sabhin siguro nila "No Religion, faith alone," hahahaha. and yet nilalagay nila sa mga forms "Born again or any religion" tapos ang lakas ng loob nila na ndi kailangan ng religion? hahahha so funny po Father.

    I think, they need to be exorcised na po, hehehehe

    God bless po on your apostolates Father. Rest assured of our Prayers and Masses for you. LONG LIVE THE HOLY ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH!

    In the Light of the Immaculate,

    Bro. Jayson

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  16. Sikreto ng born again christians:
    Born Against Christians hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

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  17. Thank you very much Bro. Jayson. Please for me always. We miss you na.

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  18. Your welcome po Father. sure Father, will pray for you always. we missed you also here in CEU.

    Father, my mother is asking if when you will come back here in Manila. the Legion of Mary (to which Mama is a member)will plan to have an apologetics dialogue with them. Those who attended last year were so impressed that they wanted it another po.

    Thank you Father.

    Bro. Jayson

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  19. I do hope I can find time next month Bro. Jayson. God bless you.

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  20. Paul Wayne Lim is defeated. All his protestant arguments are answered and refuted. That is why he resorted to ecumenism. Let us help each other to save souls, daw ha ha ha.

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  21. hELOW Fr.Abe!
    Galing nyo po! Buti nga s pastor n yan! kunwari maraming alam, yon pala sila yong mga ignorante s bible..syanga po pala Fr. ng post po si Jason ABalos- "Philip" gusto nya po mkipag debate s inyo..
    ito po ang message s akin s ibang site po.

    "jason abalos said...
    August 14, 2010 at 11:11 pm
    jasesa said..

    Helow fr. Abe
    kumusta po? Fr.,yang c philip sya yata si “Jason Abalos” e.. hindi parin po sya tumitigil s pag send ng mga email nya s akin n puro panluluko lng,.. di ko nlng po pinapansin.. kaya bumalik po s iyo Fr.. ayan supalpal! hahaha.. Tagam!- in tagalog “Buti nga!”hehehe..

    janesa pede ko ba bigay # ko sau pra matawagan? kasi im willing makipagdebate ng personal kay fr.abe peo may kundisyon..para malaman mu rin kung sino ang NANLOLOKO LANG..Di niya kasi sinasagot mga previous questions ko dun,o sinasadya nya,o nirefute nya..kasi nagkukunwari pa sya namimiss nya daw mga comments ko hinahanap nya raw ako..eh yung sites na laggi nming pinagdidiscuscion di na sya nagrereply dun..dati lagi lagi may sagot kagad,

    sagutin mu nmn sana email ko,pagreply mo bigay ko # ko sayo..salamt"

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  22. Dear Janesa,

    Thank you very much for your support.

    TUNGKOL DYAN KAY JASON ABALOS-PHILIP. PAPANO KO SIYA ITUTURING NA MATINO E MANLOLOKO. UNA, JASON ABALOS DAW SIYA. NGAYON LUMITAW JEREMY REYES NAMAN. IBIG SABIHIN WALA SIYANG INTENSIYON NA MAGSABI NG KATOTOHANAN. OK LANG SA KANYA ANG MAGSINUNGALING KASI HINDI NAKA-HAIN ANG PAGKATAO NIYA AT DIGNIDAD.

    BAGO TAYO MAKIPAG-USAP SA KANYA ILABAS NYA ANG KANYANG TUNAY NA PAGKATAO. SABIHIN MO SA KANYA E IBIGAY NYA SA IYO ANG KANYANG NUMERO AT MAGPAKILALA SIYA. ANG HINDI NAGPAPAKILALA AY WALANG KARAPATANG ITURING NA MARANGAL SA LIPUNAN.

    SINASABI KO SA KANYA NA PEKE ANG QUOTE NYA DAHIL MAY MGA AKLAT AKO NG IBANG MGA LIBRONG BINANGGIT NYA AT WALA ANG MGA CLAIMS NYA. SINGUNGALING. BAKIT AKO MAGSISINUNGALING E NAKALITAW ANG PAGKATAO KO. NAKATAYA ANG KARANGALAN KO. SIYA HINDI KAYA OK LANG GUMAWA NG PANLOLOKO.

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  23. JANESA,

    PLEASE READ THIS:

    http://thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com/2010/08/bakit-tayo-nagsa-sign-of-cross-pag.html

    WE MET JASON ABALOS AGAIN THERE, NOW AS JEREMY REYES. YOU SEE HOW DEVILISH HE IS.

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  24. I had a laugh when he asked you to shut down this blog, or erase anti-evangelical posts here, Father. Shows us who really won the debate as early as round 1. Don't shut this down. This is one of the first 3 blogs I open everyday.

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  25. Thank you for the prayers and support Bro. Ipe.

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  26. janesa pagalan- DvoAugust 17, 2010 12:42 PM

    Helow po Fr. Abe!

    talaga nmang makapal ang mukha ng jason n yan.. Lage nmang supalpal.hehehe..puro kasinungalingan lng ang alam.bulok ang style puro copy paste n mali-mali pa.hay nko Fr.. wag nlng patulan unless gusto nyang mki pag face to face debate s inyo po..tingan ntin stlye nya kong uubra s inyo, sure akong hindi! hheheheh..

    Salamat s pasensya nyo po Fr.hehehe

    congratz po s Blog nyo Fr... i usualy share this blog to my friends po.hehehe..
    God Bless po & more Power to this Blog! hehehe

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  27. Thank you Janesa. God bless you too. May the Holy Spirit touch the heart of that liar and bring him to the side of Truth.

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  28. Ang Galinng nyo po talaga mag explain :D
    May God Bless you always Fr. Abe!

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  29. SA PANGINOON ANG KAPURIHAN, BRO. MIGUEL. GOD BLESS YOU.

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  30. Yes father ang galing mo mag explain...mahirap talaga mag sinungaling na huhuli sa sariling bibig.hehehe..Now I know why god give us a good priest to lead us the Truth of our Faith and Religion...in "Jesus Name".God Bless father and this Blog.

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  31. Yes father ang galing mo mag explain. Mahirap talaga mag sinungaling nahuhuli sa bibig.Now I know why God give us a good priest to lead us the Truth of our Faith and Religion...in "Jesus Name".God Bless Father and this Blog.

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  32. Good day Father Abe, ako po si Ramil_KSA kaibigan ni Richard nagtrabaho dito sa Saudi, ako po ay katoliko, magtanong lang po ako kasi laking gulat ko ng sinabi sa akin ng mga born again na ang katoliko daw ay hindi biblical, inamin nila na ang grupo nila ang biblical. Syempre ayaw kong maniwala sa kanila gusto kong sagutin ang accusation nila pero di ko alam ang sagut. Please tell me kung ano ang masabi mo sa mga grupo na to?

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  33. Dear Bro. Ramil,

    OF COURSE OUR CATHOLIC FAITH AY BIBLICAL. SILA ANG HINDI BIBLICAL KASI PEKE AT NEWLY INVENTED LANG RELIGION NILA.

    AS A PROOF BASAHIN MO ANG MGA EXCHANGES NAMIN NG MGA BORN AGAIN DITO AT MAKIKITA MONG HINDI NAKA BASE SA BIBLIA ANG ARAL NILA.

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  34. THANK YOU SO BRO. ENRICO. PURIHIN ANG PANGINOON.

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  35. Ptr. Paul Wayne LimJanuary 23, 2011 2:57 PM

    father the both of us are Christians...
    why do we to mudsling each other...
    may muslim naman dyan may mga buhdist nman dyan may mga confucian nmn dyan bakit kinakailangan tayong dalawang Christiano ay mag-aaway... we belong to the same group... we belong to Christ... kung mayroon man nasabing masama ang ibang pastor o ako patawarin nyu na lang po silang lahat... kaming lahat...
    magpatawaran na lang po tayo...

    "...and forgive Us our sins as we forgive those who sin against us..."

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  36. KUNG GUSTO NYO NG KAPAYAPAAN KAMI RIN. KUNG GUSTO NYO NG PAGKAKAISA KAMI RIN. WAG KAYONG BUMATIKOS AT TUMIRA AT TITIGIL DIN KAMI. SUBALIT HABANG MERONG BORN AGAIN NA TUMITIRA, TITIRA DIN KAMI.

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  37. hahahahha.......
    a priest vs. a pastor...
    the two of you tell if the two of you do good....
    isang malaking kalokohan ang ginagawa niyo..

    "TUMIRA AT TITIGIL DIN KAMI. SUBALIT HABANG MERONG BORN AGAIN NA TUMITIRA, TITIRA DIN KAMI. "

    sabihin mo nga father kung tama yang sinabi kasi kung hindi tam IDELETE MO NA....hahhaha.

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