Tuesday, September 14, 2010

ANTI-CATHOLIC LIES AND DECEPTIONS IN QUOTING CATHOLIC BOOKS AND DOCUMENTS, Part 5 The Fallacious Citations of the Iglesia ni Manalo

The Holy Spirit descended on the Apostles and the Blessed Virgin Mary on Pentecost. Not a single Manalo was present there because they are filled not with the Holy Spirit but the other spirit. May the Spirit of Truth guide them to see the truth of their lies and deceptions.
Franciscus Carmelo said...

Good evening po Father. This is with regards to number 8. The book cited by the Manalistas is entitled "The Emerging Church, Part One" authored by Ronald J. Wilkins, page 29, quotation (from the said book): "...The apostles and early Christians did not experience Jesus as a God in human disguise or as God pretending to be human (this is one reason that the early church rejected fanciful and wildly imaginative accounts of Jesus' life). They experienced him as a human..."

From the same Pasugo issue:

Saan nagmula ang paniniwalang si cristo ay Diyos? Ang paniniwalang si Cristo ay Dios ay utay-utay na binalangkas ng Simbahang Katoliko sa paglipas ng mga taon. Ganito ang pahayag ng paring Jesuita na si Pedro Sevilla: "Ipinahayag ng isang dalubhasa na utay-utay na binalangkas ng Simbahan ang pananampalataya sa pagka-Diyos ni Jesus sa impluho ng mga ibang relihiyon." (At Nagsalita ang Diyos sa Pamamagitan ng Kanyang Anak, p. 181." Nang lumaganap ang Katolisismo sa mga bansang pagano ay saka lamang bumangon ang kaisipang si Jesus ay Dios: "It was when Christianity spread out into the pagan world that the idea of Jesus as Savior God emerged" (Powell, Davies, The Meaning of the Dead Sea Scrolls, p. 90).

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

[Good evening po Father. This is with regards to number 8. The book cited by the Manalistas is entitled "The Emerging Church, Part One" authored by Ronald J. Wilkins, page 29, quotation (from the said book):]

THIS BOOK EVEN THOUGH IT IS WRITTEN BY A PRIEST IS NOT AN OFFICIAL BOOK OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BELIEVE AND UPHELD THE IDEAS OF THAT PRIEST, IF HE REALLY WROTE SUCH A THING. IT IS HIGHLY QUESTIONABLE BECAUSE INC ARE FAMOUS FOR DOCTORING QUOTATIONS FROM OUR SOURCES.

IF THEY WANT TO SEE THE REAL AND OFFICIAL TEACHING OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THEY MUST QUOTE THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

[ "...The apostles and early Christians did not experience Jesus as a God in human disguise or as God pretending to be human (this is one reason that the early church rejected fanciful and wildly imaginative accounts of Jesus' life).]

BECAUSE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND THE EARLY PEOPLE EXPERIENCED JESUS AS TRUE GOD AND TRUE MAN. THAT IS THE REAL EXPERIENCE OF THE CHRISTIANS WITH THE LORD JESUS. NO MORE NO LESS.

[ They experienced him as a human..."]

OF COURSE THEY EXPERIENCED HIM AS HUMAN BECAUSE JESUS IS TRUE GOD AND TRUE MAN. SO, THEY EXPERIENCED HIM AS HUMAN. BUT NOT AS 'HUMAN ONLY'. EVEN THEIR QUOTE FROM THE BOOK IS ALSO CUT SHORT. IT MEANS THEY ARE BEING DECEPTIVE AND SELECTIVE.

THE HERESY OF THE INC IS THAT JESUS IS "HUMAN ONLY". JESUS IS ALSO EXPERIENCED AS GOD AS WHEN HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD AND WHEN HE ORDERED THE STORM AND THE SEA. MANALO WAS NOT ABLE TO DO THAT. HE WAS NOT ABLE TO PERFORM A MIRACLE. HE IS FAKE.

[From the same Pasugo issue:]

LET US CHECK.

ANG MGA IDEYANG NAKASULAT SA IBABA AY OBVIOUS NA PEKE. DAHIL ANG NASABING AKLAT AY WALANG TAGALOG TRANSLATION KUNDI ORIHINAL NA ENGLISH.

ANG TAGALOG TRANSLATION NA IYAN AY QUESTIONABLE AT HINDI KAPANI-PANIWALA.

[Saan nagmula ang paniniwalang si cristo ay Diyos? Ang paniniwalang si Cristo ay Dios ay utay-utay na binalangkas ng Simbahang Katoliko sa paglipas ng mga taon.]

HA, HA, HA... PINATUNAYAN NATING MULA SA BANAL NA KASULATAN NG FIRST CENTURY, THEN ON SA MGA APOSTOLIC FATHERS NG SECOND AT THIRD CENTURY ANG PAGKADIOS NI CRISTO AY WALANG PATID NA IPINAHAYAG NG MGA GURO, PARI AT OBISPO NG IGLESIA CATOLICA. KAYA KASINUNGALINGAN ANG TAGALOG VERSION NA ITO. HINDI ITO NAAAYON SA TUNAY NA NAKASULAT SA AKLAT.

[Ganito ang pahayag ng paring Jesuita na si Pedro Sevilla: "Ipinahayag ng isang dalubhasa na utay-utay na binalangkas ng Simbahan ang pananampalataya sa pagka-Diyos ni Jesus sa impluho ng mga ibang relihiyon."]

HA, HA, HA... WALANG MATINONG PARING CATOLICO ANG MAGSUSULAT NG GANITO. AT NAKAKATAWA KASI ANG AKLAT NA "THE MEANING OF THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS" PUBLISHED NOON PANG 1956 IN ENGLISH. HOW CAN THEY QUOTE FR. SEVILLA WHOSE WORKS WERE IN SPANISH AND IN TAGALOG? HA, HA, HA...

TALAGANG PARA LANG MAKAPANDAYA AY GAGAWIN LAHAT.

[(At Nagsalita ang Diyos sa Pamamagitan ng Kanyang Anak, p. 181." Nang lumaganap ang Katolisismo sa mga bansang pagano ay saka lamang bumangon ang kaisipang si Jesus ay Dios:]

HINDI ITO GALING KAY PADRE SEVILLA. ITO AY GALING SA MGA KAAWAY NG IGLESIA CATOLICA. OBVIOUS. HE, HE, HE...

["It was when Christianity spread out into the pagan world that the idea of Jesus as Savior God emerged" (Powell, Davies, The Meaning of the Dead Sea Scrolls, p. 90).]

HE, HE, HE... IMAGINE, IN THE REAL ENGLISH WHAT EMERGED IS THE IDEA OF A "SAVIOR'... THEN IN TAGALOG NAGING PAGIGING "DIOS' NA NI CRISTO. HA, HA, HA... HULING HULING PEKE ANG TRANSLATION AT MAY MANIPULASYON. ANG GALING MAGSINUNGALING NI MANALO.

12 comments:

  1. Good Evening po Father..

    Madami na po kasing Born Again na kumakalat sa school namin and ako po Catholic po ako and ayokong maniwala sa mga pinagsasasabi nila... Marami po kasi silang sinasabi and gusto ko lamang po malaman kung totoo po b ang mga sinasabi nila kaya sana po matulungan po ninyo ako.


    Totoo po bang malapit na ang Rupture? and meron po ba talaga noon? Sabi din po nila na nakakatakot kapag naiwan daw ako tapos makita nila ako sa Hell kaya mas maganda raw po na humingi ako ng tawad sa Diyos. Isang beses lang po ba mangyayari ang coming? Totoo po ba ang mga ito Father? Naka base daw po kasi sila sa Bible and marami silang sinasabi tulad ng RFID na pinalit daw doon sa marka ng beast sa revelation ... Father please pa tulong naman po.. Alam ko pong mali pong makinig sa kanila kaso gusto ko din pong malaman kung mali po ba or tama ang tinuturo nila ...

    Thank you po Father , God Bless po!

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  2. Dear Anonymous,

    ANG DOCTRINA NG MGA BORN-AGAIN NA TINATAWAG NA 'RAPTURE' AY ARAL NG DEMONIO DAHIL ITO AY HINDI TUNAY NA DOCTRINA CRISTIANA KUNDI INIMBENTO LANG NG PASTOR NA SI JOHN NELSON DARBY. Ito ang sabi ng Wikipedia tungkol sa Impactong ito na nag-paumpisang magturo hinggil sa Rapture:

    "As there was NO Christian teaching of a “rapture” before Darby began preaching about it in the 1830s, he is sometimes credited with originating the "secret rapture" theory wherein Christ will suddenly remove His bride, the Church, from this world before the judgments of the tribulation." [Wikipedia on John Nelson Darby]

    KAYA SABIHIN MO SA MGA BORN AGAIN NA YAN NA ANG KAPAL NG MGA MUKA NILA. GARAPALAN ANG KANILANG KASINUNGALINGAN. Ito pa ang isang magandang paliwanag hinggil sa kanyang Pag-imbento ng Rapture Theory:

    "The doctrine of a secret rapture was first conceived by John Nelson Darby of the Plymouth Brethren in 1827. Darby, known as the father of dispensationalism, invented the doctrine claiming there were not one, but two "second comings." This teaching was immediately challenged as unbiblical by other members of the Brethren. Samuel P. Tregelles, a noted biblical scholar, rejected Darby's new interpretation as the "height of speculative nonsense." So tenuous was Darby's rapture theory that he had lingering doubts about it as late as 1843, and possibly 1845. Another member of the Plymouth Brethren, B.W. Newton, disputed Darby's new doctrine claiming such a conclusion was only possible if one declared certain passages to be "renounced as not properly ours." [Source: http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/cathouse/darby.htm]

    KITAM, KAHIT NA MGA TAGASUNOD N'YA AY HINDI SIYA PINANIWALAAN. TAPOS ITONG MGA BORN AGAIN NGAYON, MGA BAPTISTS E MGA UTO-UTO KAY DARBY. HA, HA, HA... WAG KANG PALOLOKO SA KANILA.

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  3. ANG UNANG DAPAT MONG GAWIN AY HAMUNIN MO SILA KUNG SAAN MABABASA ANG RAPTURE SA BIBLIA? WALA SILANG MABABASA DAHIL WALANG RAPTURE SA BIBLIA DAHIL YAN NGA AY BAGONG IMBENTO LANG.

    IKALAWA, DAPAT MONG TANDAAN NA ANG TUNAY NA BIBLICAL DOCTRINE AY ANG 'SECOND COMING OF JESUS' PARA HUSGAHAN ANG LAHAT. ANG RAPTURE E BABALIK DAW SI JESUS NG BIGLAAN BEFORE THE SECOND COMING OR THE END OF THE WORLD TAPOS AY ISASAMA NIYA SA LANGIT ANG MGA BORN AGAIN. HA, HA, HA.... MGA BUANG TALAGA ANG MGA IYAN. HA, HA, HA... NANGANGARAP NG GISING.

    SURUIN MO ANG MGA TALATANG KANILANG GINAGAMIT. ITO ANG KADALASANG GINAGAMIT NILA:

    Matthew 24:38-41

    LET US CHECK THESE VERSES ONE BY ONE -

    Mt 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

    TULAD DAW NUNG PANAHON NI NOE ANG MGA TAO AY NAMUMUHAY SA KASALANAN. NAGPAPASASA SA PAGKAIN AT SEX. HANGGANG SI NOE AY PUMASOK SA ARKA.

    PARA SA MGA BORN AGAIN AT KAY DARBY, ANG DAIGDIG DAW AY MAKASALANAN KAYA LILIPULIN AT SILA DAY AY KUKUNIN NI JESUS AT IAAKYAT SA LANGIT NG BIGLAAN TULAD NI NOE. HA, HA,HA...

    KASO ANG PROBLEMA DITO E. HINDI NAMAN BIGLAANG INIAKYAT SI NOE SA LANGIT E. SIYA AY NAIWAN SA LUPA AT NAMATAY NG MATANDA NA.

    Mt 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    SI JESUS DAW AY DARATING SA ORAS AT ARAW NA WALANG NAKAKAALAM TULAD NG PAGDATING NG MALAKING BAHA. AT SILA ANG KUKUNIN NI JESUS.

    KASO, PALPAK ANG APLICATION NILA. DAHIL ANG KINUHA NG MALAKING BAHA AY ANG MGA MAKASALANAN. ANG TINANGAY AY ANG MASASAMA. ANG MABUBUTI SA PAMUMUNO NI NOE AY NAIWANG BUHAY SA LUPA. HA, HA, HA... BALIGTAD.

    Mt 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    ANG KINUHA AY ANG MASAMA DAHIL PINATAY NG BAHA. YUNG MABUBUTI INIWAN, PATI MGA HAYOP INIWAN. AT ANG DAIGDIG AY NILINIS NG DIOS.

    Mt 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    ANG MGA BORN AGAIN ANG KUKUNIN. IBIG SABIHIN SILA ANG PAPATAYIN. HA, HA, HA... KASI SILA ANG NANLOKO SA KANILANG SARILI SA PAG-IIMBENTO NG RAPTURE. HA, HA, HA... ANG MABUBUTI AY MAIIWAN HANGGANG ANG MGA ITO AY HUSGAHAN NG PANGINOON AT PAGKALOOBAN NG BUHAY NA WALANG HANGGAN SA KALANGITAN SA KANYANG SECOND COMING. HE, HE, HE... ANG FIRST COMING AY HINDI RAPTURE KUNDI YUNG 'NATIVITY OF THE LORD IN BETHLEHEM'. HA, HA, HA...

    HA, HA, HA... NAKAKATAWA ANG MGA BUANG NA BORN AGAIN. HA, HA, HA...

    1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

    1 Thes 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

    ANG TINUTUKOY DITO AY ANG COMING OR PAGBABALIK NG ATING PANGINOONG JESUS SA HULING ARAW. ITO ANG JUDGMENT DAY. HINDI ITO RAPTURE BAGO MAG-SECOND COMING OF THE LORD.

    1 Thes 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

    KUNG SASABIHIN NILANG RAPTURE ITO ABA DAPAT MABUBUHAY NA ANG MGA PATAY SA RAPTURE. KASO ANG DOCTRINA NILA AY WALANG SINASAAD NA GANON KUNDI IAAKYAT LAMANG SILA SA LANGIT. BAKIT BUBUHAYIN ANG MGA PATAY? KASI NGA HUHUSGAHAN NA SILA. JUDGMENT DAY NA. END TIME NA.

    SA JUDGMENT DAY WALANG MAIIWAN SA LUPA DAHIL ANG MABUTI AY IAAKYAT SA LANGIT AT ANG MASASAMA AY PARURUSAHAN SA IMPIERNO.

    1 Thes 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    ANG MGA IAAKYAT SA KALANGITAN DAHIL SA KANILANG PANANAMPALATAYA AT MABUTING GAWA AY MAKAKASAMA NG PANGINOON MAGPASAWALANG HANGGAN. TALAGANG JUDGMENT DAY NA ITO.

    1 Thes 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

    THIS IS OUR COMFORTS AS CATHOLICS. ANG MGA BORN AGAIN AY NILOLOKO ANG KANILANG MGA SARILI. WAG KANG PALOLOKO SA KANILA.

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  4. Dear Father Abe,

    I'm sorry if I would bother you again with another clipping from the PASUGO. This time from PASUGO, September-October 1988 issue. I'm quoting it in full:

    MGA HIDWANG ARAL NG NAGTALIKOD SA TUNAY NA IGLESIA

    Narito ang isang maikling tala ng mga maling doktrina na itinaguyod ng mga humalili sa panahon ng mga Apostol:

    1. Ang dating pangalang Iglesia ni Cristo (Ro. 16:16) ay binago nila sa pamamagitan ni Ignacio ng Antiokya na unang gumamit ng pangalang "Katolika" upang itawag sa Iglesia. Isang malinaw na katibayan ng paghiwalay sa dating doktrina at pagsunod sa hidwang aral. (Rev. Bertrand Conway, The Question Box, p. 132)

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  5. Nakakatawa kasi ang The Question Box ay nakasulat sa wikang English at walang Tagalog translation. Obvious naman na peke itong sinulat nila.

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  6. BRO. CARMELO WILL YOU PLEASE BE KIND TO OTHERS. AFTER I ANSWERED SO MANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS PLEASE LET SOME DAYS PASS BEFORE YOU SEND AGAIN. OTHERWISE, WALA NA AKONG AASIKASUHIN KUNDI IKAW NA LANG.

    GIVE CHANCE TO OTHERS' QUESTIONS ALSO. WE HAVE SO MANY TO ANSWERS. ANG IBANG MGA POINTS NAMAN AY NASAGOT NA DITO JUST LOOK AND RESEARCH FOR IT UNDER THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO HEADING.

    AFTER ANSWERING OTHERS I WILL GIVE YOUR NEW SENT QUESTIONS AMPLE TIME.

    THANK YOU.

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  7. Dear Father Abe, I'm sorry if I'm overwhelming you with so many questions. I'm not impatient naman in waiting for your answers. I'm not even insisting that you answer them immediately or even to answer them in the first place. Thank you po and patawad po Father for over-disturbing you. Naiintindihan ko po situation ninyo and I know that you have other works to mind pa. Be assured that this is my last comment Father. Thank you for the time you gave in answering my first queries. May God continue to shower you with enough wisdom, knowledge and zeal in defending our Holy Mother Church. Thanks! Viva Cristo Rey! Viva la Virgen!

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  8. Dear Bro. Carmelo,

    Thank you very much for your understanding.

    Please feel free to comment on various topics of the Blog. After having answered the questions of others I will find time for your questions. Just don't send them like a FLOOD. He, he, he...

    Kasi, pag-iipunin natin ang mga sagot sa napakaraming points na iyong naipadala makakagawa na na tayo ng aklat. He, he, he...

    Thank you for your patience and understanding and support. VIVA EL CRISTO REY AND VIVA LA VIRGEN!

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  9. Father,

    May limitation po pala:

    "Ang iyong HTML ay hindi matatanggap: Dapat ay hindi hihigit sa 4,096 mga character"

    Pwede po bang ibigay na lang sa inyo thru email?

    Pwede rin pong scanned copies.

    Okay lang din naman po na dito ko ipadala, putul-putol nga lang po...

    Hintayin ko po ang reply ninyo.


    ncv, jr.
    ncv_jr@yahoo.com

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  10. BROTHER, YOU CAN DIVIDE IT INTO TWO OR THREE PARTS.

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  11. Wala po akong kopya ng Pasugo/September 1993 para sa continuation ng article entitled "The Angel from the East and His Message (Part 1)".

    ncv, jr.

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