The Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin Mary about the Birth of the Messiah
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I just want to ask JC if he/she does not believe Mary as "blessed."
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to anonymous: the verses above already said so that Mary is blessed. and who am I to contest that? thanks for asking.
what I am contesting is adding the word "MOST" as in most blessed to Mary, it is not Biblical.
I only found one verse in the Bible with word most blessed.
(Psa 21:6) For thou hast made him most blessed for ever: thou hast made him exceeding glad with thy countenance.
If Mary is living right now, She will not allowed these exaltation done for her. Who will we gonna exalth?
(Psa 99:5) Exalt ye the LORD our God, and worship at his footstool; for he is holy.
(Psa 99:9) Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy.
(Psa 107:32) Let them exalt him also in the congregation of the people, and praise him in the assembly of the elders.
(Psa 118:28) Thou art my God, and I will praise thee: thou art my God, I will exalt thee.
A real Christian follows the law of Christ. No more no less. i hope it will be posted here. Thanks be to God always.
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i remember i had a comment yesterday, 9/28, can you please post it here.
as i always said, if the truth is in you, fear not. Let the readers judge your statement and all the comments coming to you.
Thanks be to God.
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Faith and blessedness of Mary is not questionable. It is your (RCC) doctrine regarding Mary is refutable.
You said: 1. Mary is the most blessed than other apostles and/or members of the church.
Bible says: (Luk 11:28) But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
None in the Bible “most blessed” has been said to anyone, except one:
(Psa 21:6) For thou hast made him most blessed for ever: thou hast made him exceeding glad with thy countenance.
You said: 2. Mary is actually the first believer and most steadfast in faith.
Bible says:
(Heb 11:1) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
(Heb 11:4) By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
(Heb 11:5) By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
(Heb 11:6) But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:7) By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
(Heb 11:8) By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
(Heb 11:9) By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
(Heb 11:10) For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
(Heb 11:11) Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
(Heb 11:12) Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
(Heb 11:13) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
(Heb 11:14) For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
(Heb 11:15) And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
(Heb 11:16) But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
(Heb 11:17) By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
(Heb 11:18) Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
(Heb 11:19) Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
(Heb 11:20) By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
to be continued...
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continuation:
(Heb 11:21) By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.
(Heb 11:22) By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.
(Heb 11:23) By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
(Heb 11:24) By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
(Heb 11:25) Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
(Heb 11:26) Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
(Heb 11:27) By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
(Heb 11:28) Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
(Heb 11:29) By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
(Heb 11:30) By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
(Heb 11:31) By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
(Heb 11:32) And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
(Heb 11:33) Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
(Heb 11:34) Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
(Heb 11:35) Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
(Heb 11:36) And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
(Heb 11:37) They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
(Heb 11:38) (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
(Heb 11:39) And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
(Heb 11:40) God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
And St. Paul who laboured more abundantly than other apostles by the grace of God with him.
(1Co 15:10) But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
And with Bro. Eli, on what all you have said to him:
(Mat 5:11) Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
He (Bro.Eli) is blessed as well.
May God open your heart Mr. Abe and all the readers of this blog. If your objective in blogging is good, you will post all my comments as it is. Thanks be to God always.
- Fr. Abe, CRS said...
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I got your message and Atty. Mars will be the one to answer it because he loves to defend the Blessed Virgin Mary.
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JC, an anonymous MCGI member said…
You said ….
1. Mary is the most blessed than other apostles and/or members of the church.
Bible says:
(Luk 11:28) But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
None in the Bible “most blessed” has been said to anyone, except one:
(Psa 21:6) For thou hast made him most blessed for ever: thou hast made him exceeding glad with thy countenance.
[Two things: (1) either JC is a liar, or (2) he is ignorant of the Bible. This MCGI member is a verifiable liar when he categorically said that “None in the Bible “most blessed” has been said to anyone, except one” and quoted Psalm 21:6 for that. That is a BLATANT LIE!!! Let’s prove from the Bible that “most blessed” is also used to refer to Mary. Let us read LUKE 1:42 of the JERUSALEM BIBLE:
“She gave a loud cry and said, ‘Of all women you are the MOST BLESSED, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.”
TIKLO! Huling-huli sa pagsisinungaling. Pero may palusot pa iyan. Hindi niya alam. Ibig sabihin, this MCGI member is IGNORANT of Scripture, yet the arrogance and the gall to pontificate on matters on which his knowledge is sophomoric, if not totally nil. Tsk tsk tsk. Hindi naturuan ni Ingkong na may “most blessed” pala sa Luke 1:42 ng Jerusalem Bible. Kahabag-habag. NAGOYO.]
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JC of MCGI said… to anonymous: the verses above already said so that Mary is blessed. and who am I to contest that? thanks for asking.
[At least now I know that the Bible itself pronounce Mary as blessed. Of course, you cannot contest that. To do so is anti-Biblical.]
JC of MCGI said… what I am contesting is adding the word "MOST" as in most blessed to Mary, it is not Biblical.
[Let us check first what Fr. Arganiosa stated before we consider your misguided argument. "The Church being the Body of Christ is greater than Mary because Mary is a member of the Church. But she is the MOST BLESSED OF THE MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH except the Lord Jesus its Head and Builder."
So what is wrong with that? Father Abe is just using the basic and elementary rules of GRAMMAR which you failed to appreciate, much less understand. Fr. Abe used the superlative “most bless” to Mary only in her relationship with the members of the Church.
There was no intimation whatsoever that the use of “most blessed” to Mary includes God or the Lord Jesus Christ. As Fr. Abe himself made clear, Mary is “most blessed” of the members of the Church, EXCEPT the Lord Jesus its Head and Builder.
It is you who put ideas where there is none. Sorry, we don’t Mary more blessed than God, or most blessed of all, including God. There is just no such statement or claim. It just probably exists in your malicious and biased mind. What entered your mind to ever think that we claim that Mary surpasses God in blessedness? There is just no basis for it gauging from Fr. Abe’s statements which all readers here can see and judge. ]
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JC of MCGI said… I only found one verse in the Bible with word most blessed.
(Psa 21:6) For thou hast made him most blessed for ever: thou hast made him exceeding glad with thy countenance.
[Your verse is already irrelevant and inconsequential as it is clear for those who can understand English grammar that it was not – never!- the intention of Fr. Abe to put Mary’s blessedness above God. How can that be? God has blessedness in Himself – and the source of all blessedness, Mary’s included.
As a friendly advice to you sister, better read and understand first before you attack. “Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals--these are the very things that destroy them” (Jude 10).
I WILL REPEAT HERE WHAT FR. ABE STATED FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND IT BETTER AFTER HAVING REVIEWED YOUR RULES ON ENGLISH GRAMMAR: "The Church being the Body of Christ is greater than Mary because Mary is a member of the Church. But she is the MOST BLESSED OF THE MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH except the Lord Jesus its Head and Builder."]
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JC of MCGI said…
If Mary is living right now, She will not allowed these exaltation done for her. Who will we gonna exalth?
(Psa 99:5) Exalt ye the LORD our God, and worship at his footstool; for he is holy.
(Psa 99:9) Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy.
(Psa 107:32) Let them exalt him also in the congregation of the people, and praise him in the assembly of the elders.
(Psa 118:28) Thou art my God, and I will praise thee: thou art my God, I will exalt thee.
[There are no problems with your verses. In fact, we Catholics do that perfectly. We exalt God for Who He is – GOD, period. Mary, too, said that her soul magnifies the Lord (Lk.1:46).
Your problem here is that you are committing the fallacy of FALSE DILEMMA. Just because we exalt God we should not longer exalt those people whom God exalted?
Let us READ and UNDERSTAND what GOD’S HOLY WORD says:
“For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be EXALTED” (Lk. 14:11). You see, it is the LORD JESUS HIMSELF speaking here! And who are you to oppose Him? You are not following the law of Christ! God surely EXALTS those who are humble. That’s why Mary is EXALTED because she is humble. As she herself said: “for He has been mindful of the HUMBLE state of his servant, from now on all generations will call me BLESSED” (Lk. 1:47). Isn’t that self-explanatory? Why can’t you get it?
Here’s another verse. Also from Mary herself. “He has put down the mighty from their thrones, and EXALTED those of low degree” (Lk. 1:52).
We exalt Mary because God exalted her. And we Catholics are true to Scripture: “Be IMITATORS of God, therefore, as dearly loved children” (Eph. 5:1).]
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JC of MCGI said… A real Christian follows the law of Christ. No more no less. i hope it will be posted here. Thanks be to God always.
[Your claim to be a true Christian has already been unmasked. What credibility do you have still? You already faltered on several Biblical grounds and the nerve to pontificate on what a real Christian is? Yes, a real Christian follows the law of Christ, no more, and no less. In that regard, you are not a real Christian because you stumbled on His Word,
“For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be EXALTED” (Lk. 14:11). God exalts people, especially the humble. And Mary is a humble woman EXALTED by God. And we follow God’s lead in that. You don’t.
“BE PERFECT AS YOUR HEAVENLY FATHER IS PERFECT” (Mt. 5:48).]
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Thank you Mr. Marwil on your comment.
ReplyDeleteI also thank GOD that we had internet today, for it easy to gather information in such few time only. I may not that good in Bible but I may say I am hardworking to find the answer in my questions. And thank God again, I found Bro. Eli that answered all my inquiries and doubts regarding faith and salvation.
The Jerusalem Bible (JB or TJB) is a Roman Catholic translation of the Bible which first was introduced to the English-speaking public in 1966. To stress out: (1) it is Roman Catholic Bible and (2)it was introduced to public 1966
While, the other Bible translations which mostly had found very well-translated from its original language such as:
KJV ( The Authorized King James Version is an English translation of the Christian Holy Bible begun in 1604 and completed in 1611) In 1604, King James I of England authorized that a new translation of the Bible into English be started. It was finished in 1611, just 85 years after the first translation of the New Testament into English appeared (Tyndale, 1526). The Authorized Version, or King James Version, quickly became the standard for English-speaking Protestants. Its flowing language and prose rhythm has had a profound influence on the literature of the past 300 years. The King James Version present on the Bible Gateway matches the 1987 printing. The KJV is public domain in the United States
KJV
(Luk 1:42) And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
American Standard Version (is a version of the Bible that was released in 1901.)
Luke 1:42 and she lifted up her voice with a loud cry, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
Bibliya – Tagalog Bible
Lucas 1:42At sumigaw siya ng malakas na tinig, at sinabi, Pinagpala ka sa mga babae, at pinagpala ang bunga ng iyong tiyan
Revised Standard Version
Luke 1: 42 and exclaimed with a loud cry, ‘Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb.
http://www.latinvulgate.com/verse.aspx?t=1&b=3
THE HOLY GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST ACCORDING TO ST. LUKE: Chapter 1:42
English
And she cried out with a loud voice and said: Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
Latin
et exclamavit voce magna et dixit benedicta tu inter mulieres et benedictus fructus ventris tui
As a Christian, it is intelligent to read well-translated Bible, coming from the original text than new comers with additional word, like JB "most" at Luke 1:42.
Bible says:
(Rev 22:18) For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Again thank you for posting this comment.
Your comment against the Jerusalem Bible is IRRELEVANT.
ReplyDeleteIt was you who claimed, “None in the bIBLE “most blessed” has been said to anyone, except one.” The Jerusalem Bible is a bIBLE. Ang linaw naman eh, Jerusalem BIBLE nga. Thus, it your burdern to prove that it is NOT A BIBLE.
Saying that it is a Catholic translation is of no moment. You should have said, “None in NON-CATHOLIC BIBLES “most blessed” has been said to said to anyone.” Now that we are able to prove you wrong that there is in fact a Bible, the Jerusalem Bible, that uses “most blessed” in reference to Mary that you change your position. Now, your position is, “None in the Bible, except in the Jerusalem Bible, “most blessed” has been said to anyone.
How convenient, and how HYPOCRITICAL.
I have watched your Ang Dating Daan programs many times. I have seen how they use other Bible translations if they would suit them. Does that mean that if it’s the MCGI that does that, it’s alright. But if it’s the Catholic Church, it’s wrong. That’s DOUBLE STANDARD. Sheer HYPOCRISY.
ReplyDeleteKitang-kita iyan sa papalit-palit ninyong pangalan. He first used the version in Ang Biblia on the "na siyang iglesia ng Dios na buhay, at haligi at suhay ng katotohanan" (1 Tim 3:15, Ang Biblia). But when he lost the case all the way to the Supreme Court,he change it to "haligi at saligan" based on the Magandang Balita Biblia of 1 Timothy 3:15. O di ba, palipat-lipat din ng salin basta mapapakinabangan.
At hindi pa diyan nagtatapos ang kuwento. Kinalikot nila ang salin ng Ang Biblia sa 1 Timoteo 3:15 at ginawang:
"Nguni't kung ako'y magluwat ng mahabang panahon, ay upang maalaman mo kung paano ang dapat sa mga tao na ugaliin nila sa bahay ng Dios, na siyang iglesia ng Dios na buhay, at haligi at SALIGAN ng katotohanaN." [Ang Dating Biblia, http://addbible.com]. Nung nasita at nabatikos sa panglilikot ng talata, eto na ngayon ang makikita mo sa website: "The page you are looking for is temporarily unavailable."
Ano iyon? NABUKING?
Eto ang tunay na nasusulat sa Ang Biblia (1905), "Nguni't kung ako'y magluwat ng mahabang panahon, ay upang maalaman mo kung paano ang dapat sa mga tao na ugaliin nila sa bahay ng Dios, na siyang iglesia ng Dios na buhay, at haligi at SUHAY ng katotohanan."
Sino ngayon ang palipat-lipat ng salin? At NANGALIKOT ng talata? NAGDAGDAG at NAGBAWAS? Tigilan na ninyo please ang KAPAIMBABAWAN ninyo. Utang na loob. Nabibisto naman kayo.
You said, “The Jerusalem Bible (JB or TJB) is a Roman Catholic translation of the Bible which first was introduced to the English-speaking public in 1966. To stress out: (1) it is Roman Catholic Bible and (2) it was introduced to public 1966.” So what if it’s a Roman Catholic Bible and it appeared only in 1966? What about the KJV? It is a Protestant translation and it appeared in 1611, which by the way contained what you call now as the apocrypha. And what about the other Bible translations which are mostly Protestant which appear only recently? You see, your point is irrelevant.
There is no MCGI translation. You use the KJV and Ang Biblia which are Protestant translations. You also use Catholic translations when they suit you. Produce me an MCGI translation. There is none. So what do we have here? The MCGI is using something that it does not own. Isinusuka ang mga Catoliko at mga Protestante pero ang kanilang mga Bible translations ay ginagamit din naman. How PARASITICAL. Ask you Bro. Eli if he can produce a translation of his own. Tutal, bilib na bilib ka naman sa kaniya. Eh ni isang salin wala siyang nagawa. Paano, ni isang Bible scholar wala kayo. At least kami, meron kaya marami kaming Bible translations. Eh kayo, BOKYA.
Tingnan nga natin iyong isang naituro saiyo ni Ingkong. Ang pag-gamit mo ng Rev 22:18, “ For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.” Tingnan mo mali ang gamit mo ng talata kasi mali pagkaturo saiyo ni Ingkong. Anong of “this book” ang tinutukoy diyan sa talata, aber? Hindi ang buong Biblia kundi ang AKLAT NG APOKALIPSIS. Basahin mo paulit ulit para maunawaan mo.”For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the PROPHECY of THIS BOOK, If any man shall add unto THESE THINGS, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in THIS BOOK” (Rev. 22:18). O, nakita mo na? Nagoyo ka na naman.