Mary of Nazareth - the Mother of God - the Mother of the Lord Jesus Christ
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JC of MCGI said … Faith and blessedness of Mary is not questionable. It is your (RCC) doctrine regarding Mary is refutable.
You said: 1. Mary is the most blessed than other apostles and/or members of the church.
Bible says: (Luk 11:28) But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
[It is your understanding of the verse that is LAUGHABLE. In Luke 11:28, does Jesus mean that His Mary did not hear the word of God and keep it? There is nothing of that sort. It exists only in your mind.
In fact, in Luke 11:28 elevates Mary’s blessedness not because of her being Jesus mother but because she heard the word of God and keep it. “And Mary said, “Behold, I am the servant of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word” (Lk. 1:38).]
JC of MCGI said … None in the Bible “most blessed” has been said to anyone, except one:
(Psa 21:6) For thou hast made him most blessed for ever: thou hast made him exceeding glad with thy countenance.
[We have already answered this. At para ka nang sirang plaka kasi wala nang bago sa argumento mo. You are setting a straw argument here. Fr. Abe never said that Mary is “most blessed” including God. No, no, no. There was never any statement of that sort. You are just barking at the wrong tree. If you are shadowboxing with an invisible opponent, just go ahead.]
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JC of MCGI said … You said: 2. Mary is actually the first believer and most steadfast in faith.
Bible says:
(Heb 11:1) Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
(Heb 11:4) By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
(Heb 11:5) By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
(Heb 11:6) But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:7) By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
(Heb 11:8) By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
(Heb 11:9) By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
(Heb 11:10) For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
(Heb 11:11) Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
(Heb 11:12) Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
(Heb 11:13) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
(Heb 11:14) For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
(Heb 11:15) And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
(Heb 11:16) But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
(Heb 11:17) By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
(Heb 11:18) Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
(Heb 11:19) Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
(Heb 11:20) By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
[WHAT A GROSS MISUSE AND ABUSE OF SCRIPTURE!!! We don’t have any problem with the verses you cited. It’s your wrong use of them that we don’t like.
In the Bible verses that you cited, is there anything that says that Mary is not the first believer (in Christ)? Which of these verses say that Mary was not steadfast in her faith? NOTHING. NADA. ZILCH.
Ang dami-dami mong talatang ginamit. Pero wala naman ni isa ang nagsasabi na si Maria ay hindi unang mananampalataya kay Cristo. Wala ni isa mang talata ang nagsasabi na si Maria ay hindi nagpunyagi sa pananampalataya. Katanuyan, ang silbi ng talata mo ay nagpapakita lamang na bukod kay Maria marami ang may pananampalataya ngunit hindi sinasabi kahit na minsan na ang Mahal na Birheng Maria ay walang pananampalataya at hindi nanatili sa pananampalataya. Kaya lahat ng sinabi mo ay sapantaha mo lamang na walang pinagbabatayan sa Biblia maging sa mga sitas na ginamit mo.]
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JC of MCGI said … And with Bro. Eli, on what all you have said to him:
(Mat 5:11) Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
He (Bro.Eli) is blessed as well.
[Eto naman talaga ang lundoy mo na si Bro. Eli mo ay pinagpala. Puwede ba? Huwag ka ngang ipokrita. Tingnan mo nga kung mang-upasala, manungayaw at mang-usig sa aming mga Catoliko iyang si Bro. Eli mo. Alam mo ang Mateo 5:11 ay sa amin natutupad. Bakit? Aba’y pinagtutulungan ninyo kami. Sama-sama kayo ng mga Iglesia ni Cristo, Saksi no Jehovah, Sabadista, Born Again, at samu’t-saring Protestante. At kung anu-ano ang mga ipnantatawag ninyo sa amin.
Blessed ba kamo si Bro. Eli dahil inuusig? Batas ang umuusig sa kanya kaya siya nagtatago at hindi makauwi ng bansa. Ano ang sabi ng Banal na Kasulatan? “The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion” (Prov. 28:1). Pasukuin mo muna si Blessed Eliseo Soriano bago mo ipagbantog. Ang mga Apostol humarap sa paglilitis at nagpapabilanggo. Bakit di tularan ni Blessed Eliseo Soriano? Ang sabi ng Panginoong Jesus sa mga tunay na alagad na inuusig, The Bible says, “But before all this they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons, and you will be brought before kings and governors for my name's sake. This will be a time for you to bear testimony. Settle it therefore in your minds, not to meditate beforehand how to answer; for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which none of your adversaries will be able to withstand or contradict. You will be delivered up even by parents and brothers and kinsmen and friends, and some of you they will put to death; you will be hated by all for my name's sake” (Lk. 21:12-17). Hindi ito kinakitaan kay Blessed Eliseo Soriano mo.]
JC of MCGI said... May God open your heart Mr. Abe and all the readers of this blog.
[Our heart is open to God. Unlike you, a blind follower and believer in Blessed Eliseo Soriano. “This is what the LORD says: "Cursed is the one who trusts in man” (Jer. 17:5).]
If your objective in blogging is good, you will post all my comments as it is. Thanks be to God always.
[Our objective in blogging is good that’s why we post all your comments are they are – with bonus, our answers! Don’t be malicious in thinking that we don’t post your comments. They are even placed in the main wall. “Walang katutubong pagibig, mga walang paglulubag, mga PALABINTANGIN, mga walang pagpipigil sa sarili, mga mabangis, hindi mga maibigin sa mabuti” (2 Tim 3:3).]
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Once again, thank for replying. I would like to comment once more as follows:
ReplyDelete1. Putting your thoughts as if it was mine in “Mary is most blessed including God or Lord Jesus”. Where did you get that idea?
2. I will repeat, I contested this quotation from Mr. Abe: “ But she (Mary) is the most blessed of the members of the church, except …. ”
3. I may not that good in English grammar, but I understand what Mr. Abe quoted. I did not said in any of my comments that the blessedness of Mary surpasses God or Lord Jesus. I did not even think of it. And I know Mr. Abe will not say as such that Mary surpasses God blessedness..
4. I am not attacking this blog as you presumed, what I did is to contest. And it is your discretion if you will answer it or not. And I thank God you did replied.
5. I admit my mistake is quoting “none in the Bible” for JB is a Bible per se. But I presumed the idea is still intact on my comment that in original language, it is not written as “most blessed”.
6. It is your understanding when you explained the Rev. 22:18. The understanding given to Bro. Eli is not the same as what you have in you now.
7. Verses in Heb 11:1 – 20 is not misused nor abused for me. Again it is your understanding. Other readers may not find so, that is why I keep in wishing you to post my comment text by text.
8. I expected you will say all of those foul words
9. Again, thanks for posting this comment of mine.
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ReplyDeleteJC of MCGI said...
Once again, thank for replying. I would like to comment once more as follows:
1. Putting your thoughts as if it was mine in “Mary is most blessed including God or Lord Jesus”. Where did you get that idea?
[That was implied in your statement when you objected to Fr. Abe’s use of “most blessed” of the members of the Church. To refute him, you quoted a verse where “most blessed” is used of God. So, the implication is, you are opposed to using “most blessed” to Mary because it appears that Mary surpasses God in blessedness. Make yourself clearer next time.]
JC of MCGI said...
2. I will repeat, I contested this quotation from Mr. Abe: “ But she (Mary) is the most blessed of the members of the church, except...”
[Yes, and you failed to sustain your contention. You are not able to present one shred of evidence, Biblically or otherwise, that Mary is not the most blessed of the members of the Church. Your attempt at Bible quoting is pathetic. Because the verses you used are off-tangential to the topic. True, they prove others as blessed and faithful, but in no way do these verses state that Mary is not the most blessed of the members of the Church. You have yet to come out with the verse which word for word denies Mary’s superlative blessedness among the members of the Church of her Son.]
JC of MCGI said…
ReplyDelete3. I may not that good in English grammar, but I understand what Mr. Abe quoted. I did not said in any of my comments that the blessedness of Mary surpasses God or Lord Jesus. I did not even think of it. And I know Mr. Abe will not say as such that Mary surpasses God blessedness.
[Good for you. That’s why as we pointed out, the Bible verse you used is inconsequential to disprove Fr. Abe’s thesis that Mary is “most blessed” of the members of the Church. The verse you used was in reference to God. So, thank you for your admission that Fr. Abe will not say that Mary surpasses God’s blessedness.]
JC of MCGI said…
4. I am not attacking this blog as you presumed, what I did is to contest. And it is your discretion if you will answer it or not. And I thank God you did replied.
[Oh, I doubt it very much if I presumed you are attacking the blog of Fr. Abe. As you know, I have been very prompt in answering your questions because this is the first time that a member of MCGI will allow us to speak for ourselves.]
JC of MCGI said…
ReplyDelete5. I admit my mistake is quoting “none in the Bible” for JB is a Bible per se. But I presumed the idea is still intact on my comment that in original language, it is not written as “most blessed”.
[I didn’t say that the word “most” appears in the original Greek of Luke 1:42. However, the Jerusalem Bible gave a dynamic equivalent of the original sense in Greek as translated into English. Another rendering of the Greek thought in its functional equivalent is “Elizabeth gave a glad cry and exclaimed to Mary, "God has blessed you above all women, and your child is blessed” (Lk. 1:42, NLT). I understand that your opposition to the Jerusalem Bible is that it is a Catholic Bible, hence, biased in favor of the Catholic position. If that is the case, would you not accept a Protestant translation that precisely says the same thing? Let’s check: “She said in a loud voice, "You are the MOST BLESSED of all women, and blessed is the child that you will have” (Lk. 1:42, God’s Word Translation). Even Protestant commentors Bible scholars and commentators have this to say: “Blessed art thou among women - She here repeated nearly the words of the angel to Mary, esteeming it to be the highest honor among mothers to be the mother of the Messiah” [Barnes Notes on the Bible, see: http://bible.cc/luke/1-42.htm].
JC of MCGI said…
ReplyDelete6. It is your understanding when you explained the Rev. 22:18. The understanding given to Bro. Eli is not the same as what you have in you now.
[Of course, I gave my understanding based on
the sense of Scripture (Neh. 8:8). On the other hand, your understanding is based on what is given to you by Blessed Eliseo Soriano and not what the Scripture actually says. You have not discussed the understanding of Blessed Eliseo Soriano and tested it in the light of Scripture passages I gave. Neither did you ever answer the questions I posed at you. Fair is fair. When you ask us questions, we answer. When we ask you questions, well, we don’t get answers. How is that?]
JC of MCGI said…
7. Verses in Heb 11:1 – 20 is not misused nor abused for me. Again it is your understanding. Other readers may not find so, that is why I keep in wishing you to post my comment text by text.
[Any objective reader will show that the verses that you use have nothing to do with Mary’s not being “most blessed” in the church. It was my understanding, yes, but based on common sense and clear verdict of Scripture based on the very same quotations that you gave. Your comments are all posted and answered and the readers can readily assess who has the beef .]
8. I expected you will say all of those foul words .
ReplyDelete[Oh, I checked my post but I don’t see any foul words there. All these foul words? Hmmm. What are these? Come on tell me. Well, if I used foul words, that’s your opinion. As far as I’m concerned, there has never been any. The readers may check the post above. And, please excuse me, what about Soriano? The pot must not call the kettle black.]
9. Again, thanks for posting this comment of mine.
[We have been posting your comments with answers. Sad to say, your answers and comments are far from satisfactory. Maybe that’s as far as you have learned from Blessed Eliseo Soriano so far.]
This is a very nice blog Father Abe! :-) I am so blessed knowing that there are people like you who are defending our faith. Thank you very much Father Abe for being a fighter and a champion of our faith. May God give you more strength and perseverance in continuing this apostolic mission of shedding light in this seemingly dark moments of every children of God surrounded by hostile and atrocious attackers of our faith.May God protect His Church - The Holy Catholic Church amidst all these demolition tactics used by Satan and his minions.
ReplyDeletePRAISE THE LORD BRO. GLENN MARK.
ReplyDeleteFather Abe, is there a way that I can be a CFD? If yes, how? Thanks for spending time reading my comments! God bless us all! Praise Father, Son and Spirit!
ReplyDeleteTagasaan ka ba Glenn Mark?
ReplyDeleteIf you are from the South then the CFD is well established there. You can easily join them. I will give you contacts. If you are in Manila then I will introduce you to our group here also.
Hello po Father!
ReplyDeleteThanks po for taking time reading this comments. I am from Davao City po Father. =)
Welcome Bro. Glenn. O I LOVE DAVAO VERY MUCH. The CFD is very strong there. Give me your cp number and I will introduce you to friends in CFD-Davao. I will not publish your number here of course.
ReplyDeleteFather Abe may The Lord Bless you and keep You. question lang po an INC member ask me ; si kristo po ang tagapamagitan sa dios at sa tao. kung dios daw po sya lalabas tagapamagitan sya sa kanyang sarili. Ano po ang magandang answer dito>> salamat.
ReplyDeleteKapatid na Lux in Domino, medyo busy po si Fr. Abe kaya ako po ang sasagot.
ReplyDeleteNapakababaw ng argumentong iyan. "KUNG TAO LANG DIN SI KRISTO, LUMALABAS NA TAGAPAMAGITAN LANG DIN SIYA NG KANYANG SARILI!" Ang turo ng Santa Iglesia Katolika at ng Bibliya ay si Kristo ay may dalawang likas na kalagayan o nature. May nature siya na Diyos at may nature siya sa tao, sa iisang Persona. Kaya siya naging Tagapamagitan sa Dios at sa mga tao (1Tim.2:5) dahil siya ay may likas na kalagayan o nature na Diyos (Heb.1:1-3) at may nature na tao (John 1:14)
Huwag kang magpapadala sa tinatawag na FALSE DILEMMA. Yung papipiliin ka kung si Kristo ba ay Diyos o tao, na para bagang pinapalabas na magkasalungat ang dalawa. Sabihin mo siya ay may kalagayan o nature na Diyos at tao. So dalawa.
Bro. Jub Alabastro
CFD Davao
Bro. JUb thanks a million.. CFD are always part of my prayers..May the Lord shower you with all his Graces as you proclaim his truth within our Holy Mother Church..
ReplyDeleteYour welcome kapatid na Lux in Domino and thank you for your prayers! God bless you too!
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