Picture of Bishop Paul Patrick Chomnycky speaking in the Ukrainian Cathedral of the Holy Family in Exile, London. The bishop is wearing an orthodoxe style mitre and a white omophorion with red crosses.
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the problem of Vatican II is ESSENTIALLY doctrinal. (A) Alas, the Vatican II documents are indeed responsible for the "spirit" of Vatican II and its crazy aftermath. Their very ambiguity, recognized by E.M.J., let the craziness loose. (B) God is indeed with His Church, but He leaves His churchmen free to choose to do it great, but never fatal, damage (cf.Lk. XVIII, 8). (C) Thus the mass of Catholic bishops He let fall in the appalling Arian crisis of the fourth century. What happened once is happening again, only worse. (D) At an early stage in the post-Conciliar fight for Tradition, it may have been reasonable to appeal for Vatican II to be interpreted in the light of Tradition, but that stage is long past. The ambiguity's bitter fruits have long since proved that the subtly poisoned Conciliar documents cannot be salvaged.
Thus (E) the Council is not Traditional, and the Rome-SSPX clash is ESSENTIALLY doctrinal, so (F) there is good reason to fear contamination, because of Vatican II's false doctrine -- it is leading souls to Hell. (G) Nor is there a schismatic mentality amongst (non-sedevacantist) Traditionalists, even though (H) the Church is in the thick of the worst emergency of her entire history. (I) But just as in the Arian crisis the few bishops who kept the Faith proved that the Church had not absolutely failed, so today the SSPX belongs to the Church and is keeping the Faith, without remotely pretending to replace, or to be on its own, the Church.
when, in all Church history, were her assembled bishops deliberately ambiguos? the ambiguity of Vatican II. When did churchmen ever resort to ambiguity unless it was to pave the way for heresy ? In Our Lord's Church, yes is to be yes, and no is to be no (Mt.V, 37).
Kyrie eleison.
- Fr. Abe, CRS said...
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[the problem of Vatican II is ESSENTIALLY doctrinal.]
VATICAN II HAS NO PROBLEM. IT IS THE SSPX WHO HAS A PROBLEM. HA, HA, HA... DON'T THROW ON OTHERS YOUR OWN PROBLEMS. VATICAN II OPENED AND CLOSED PEACEFULLY WITH LEFEBVRE SILENT DURING THE DEBATES AND HE HYPOCRITICALLY SIGNED THE DOCUMENTS. IT IS LEFEBVRE WHO CAUSED THE PROBLEM NOT VATICAN II.
[(A) Alas, the Vatican II documents are indeed responsible for the "spirit" of Vatican II and its crazy aftermath.]
IT IS LEFEBVRE WHO DIED INSANE AND SENILE. THERE IS NOTHING CRAZY IN THE AFTERMATH OF VATICAN II. PEOPLE ARE HAPPY THAT THE MASSES ARE TRANSLATED INTO VERNACULAR. THOSE WHO OPPOSE LIKE THE EXCOMMUNICATED TRAITOR LEFEBVRE ARE NOT EVEN 0.01 PERCENT OF THE ENTIRE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
[Their very ambiguity, recognized by E.M.J., let the craziness loose.]
IT IS LEFEBVRE AND THE SSPX WHO ARE AMBIGUOUS. LOOK AT YOUR FOLLOWERS. YOU CANNOT EVEN AGREE ON A COMMON STAND. THERE ARE SEDEVACANTISTS, THERE ARE THOSE WHO ALLEGEDLY RECOGNIZE THE POPE AND THERE ARE THOSE WHO DOES NOT WANT TO BE REUNITED WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. HA, HA, HA...
YOU ARE AMBIGIOUS BECAUSE EVEN MICHAEL JACKSON OR MICHAEL JORDAN YOU ARE INVOKING. IT IS THE SSPX WHO LET LOOSE THE CRAZINESS.
LOOK AT YOU. WHY ARE YOU ANONYMOUS? BECAUSE YOU ARE A COWARD. YOU WANT TO HIDE YOUR IDENTITY BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT SURE THAT YOUR POSITION WILL BE UPHELD BY YOUR OWN KINDS.
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[(B) God is indeed with His Church, but He leaves His churchmen free to choose to do it great, but never fatal, damage (cf.Lk. XVIII, 8).]
HA, HA, HA... IT IS VERY OBVIOUS THAT YOU JUST POSTED A READY-MADE MATERIAL HERE.
INDEED GOD IS IN HIS CHURCH. LEFEBVRE DIED EXCOMMUNICATED BY THE CHURCH, THEN LEFEBVRE IS NOT WITH GOD AND HIS CHURCH. REMEMBER YOUR SSPX INTERPRETATION OF EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS [OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION] IS ABSOLUTE. SO LEFEBVRE BY SSPX STANDARD IS IN HELL.
THE VATICAN II DIDN'T GIVE FATAL DAMAGE TO THE CHURCH BUT RATHER IT MADE THE MASS MORE ACCESSIBLE AND UNDERSTANDABLE TO THE PEOPLE. THAT IS GREAT. ONLY THE EVIL MALICE OF YOUR KIND LOOK AT IT AS EVIL.
THE LORD JESUS, FORTUNATELY, DIDN'T SPEAK LATIN. WHY? BECAUSE HE IS NOT AS STUPID AS THE SSPX.
[(C) Thus the mass of Catholic bishops He let fall in the appalling Arian crisis of the fourth century.]
BUT THE LORD GOD PRESERVED THE SEE OF PETER FROM ARIAN HERESY. NEVER DID ARIANISM ENTERED THE DOOR OF THE SEE OF PETER AND IT WAS AN ECUMENICAL COUNCIL THAT DEFEATED THE ENEMY.
LEFEBVRE AND ARIUS HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON. THEY ARE BOTH DISOBEDIENCE TO THE DEFINITIVE INTERPRETATION OF THE MAGISTERIUM, THEY ARE DISOBEDIENT TO THE SEE OF PETER AND THEY REJECTED EACH AN ECUMENICAL COUNCIL. SO, ARIUS IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE EXCOMMUNICATED LEFEBVRE AND ARIANISM IS SIMILAR TO SSPX.
[What happened once is happening again, only worse.]
THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN YOUR MIND AS YOU ARE BECOMING DELUSIONAL.
[(D) At an early stage in the post-Conciliar fight for Tradition, it may have been reasonable to appeal for Vatican II to be interpreted in the light of Tradition, but that stage is long past.]
HA, HA, HA... EXCUSE ME. YOU ARE NOT FIGHTING FOR TRADITION YOU ARE FIGHTING FOR REBELLION. THE TRUE TRADITION IS DEFINITIVELY ENTRUSTED BY THE LORD TO ST. PETER AND HIS SUCCESSORS THE POPE. IT IS THEY WHO ARE THE BEARER OF THE KEYS NOT THAT INSANE AND CRAZY, SENILE LEFEBVRE.
HA, HA, HA... IF FOR YOU INTERPRETING VATICAN II IN LIGHT OF TRADITION IS LONG PAST THEN SO BE IT. WE DON'T NEED YOU IN THE CHURCH. WE DON'T NEED LITURGICAL BASTARDS AND TREACHEROUS PARASITES LIKE YOU... YOU SEE, HOW HYPOCRITE YOU ARE. BERNARD FELLAY SENT POPE BENEDICT XVI A FORMAL REQUEST TO REMOVE THE EXCOMMUNICATION FOR THE FOUR BISHOPS AND TO HAVE A DIALOGUE IN ORDER TO STUDY VATICAN II TOGETHER. THEN HERE YOU ARE, PONTIFICATING THAT IT IS LONG PAST. HA, HA, HA...
YOU YOURSELF IS OPPOSING THE OFFICIAL STAND OF THE SSPX. HA, HA, HA...
[The ambiguity's bitter fruits have long since proved that the subtly poisoned Conciliar documents cannot be salvaged.]
HA, HA, HA... IT IS THE SSPX THAT CANNOT BE SALVAGED BECAUSE IT IS INFESTED BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO HAS REJECTED ROME'S AUTHORITY.
THE CONCILIAR DOCUMENTS CANNOT BE SALVAGED, YES. BECAUSE WE WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO SALVAGED IT. IT IS PROTECTED BY THE GRACE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AND THEREFORE CANNOT BE VIOLATED BY SCHISMATICS LIKE YOU.
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[Thus (E) the Council is not Traditional,]
THE COUNCIL IS TRADITIONAL AND TRULY CATHOLIC. THE SSPX IS SCHISMATIC AND HERETICAL.
IT IS NEVER STATED IN TRADITION THAT THE TRIDENTINE LATIN MASS IS THE ONLY MASS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND IT IS NOWHERE STATED IN TRADITION THAT LATIN IS THE ONLY LANGUAGE TO BE USED IN THE LITURGY.
[and the Rome-SSPX clash is ESSENTIALLY doctrinal,]
VERY GOOD. THAT DOCTRINE IS THE DOGMA OF THE SUPREMACY OF THE POPE AS THE SUPREME PONTIFF AND VICAR OF CHRIST.
THE SSPX SATANICALLY REJECTED THAT DOGMA OF VATICAN I... TAKE NOTE... VATICAN I WHICH IS PRE-VATICAN II IN FAVOR OF THE CRAZY AND SENILE LEFEBVRE. LIKE THE FALLEN ANGELS YOU FOLLOWED THE REBELLIOUS LUCIFER THAN THE FAITHFUL ANGEL.
THANKS BE TO GOD, CARDINAL OTTAVIANI AND CARDINAL SIRI ARE NOT IDIOTS. THEY DIDN'T JOIN YOUR REBELLION AGAINST POPE PAUL VI.
[so (F) there is good reason to fear contamination, because of Vatican II's false doctrine --]
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS VATICAN II's FALSE DOCTRINE BUT THERE IS ONLY SSPX's FALSE DOCTRINE THAT THE POPE IS NO LONGER NECESSARY BECAUSE THE TRUE REPOSITORY OF TRADITION IS NOW THE SSPX OR THE SOCIETY OF THE POPELESS.
[it is leading souls to Hell.]
SPEAKING OF HELL, I THINK IT IS LEFEBVRE WHO IS LANGUISHING IN HELL BECAUSE HE DIED UNREPENTANT FROM THE ABOMINABLE SIN FOR WHICH HE INCURRED IPSO FACTO EXCOMMUNICATION.
[(G) Nor is there a schismatic mentality amongst (non-sedevacantist) Traditionalists,]
HA, HA, HA... YEAH. IT IS LIKE A PROSTITUTE CLAIMING TO BE A VIRGIN OR LIKE A DEMON CLAIMING TO BE A FAITHFUL ANGEL. HA, HA, HA...
[even though (H) the Church is in the thick of the worst emergency of her entire history.]
HA, HA, HA... THE CHURCH IS NOT IN EMERGENCY. THE CHURCH IS LIVING NATURALLY IN A SINFUL WORLD. HER EMERGENCY IS EVANGELIZATION AND SALVATION BUT THE EMERGENCY OF YOUR KIND IS REBELLION.
[(I) But just as in the Arian crisis the few bishops who kept the Faith proved that the Church had not absolutely failed,]
HA, HA, HA... THOSE BISHOPS ARE THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. BECAUSE ST. ATHANASIUS AND HIS COMPANION BISHOPS REMAINED LOYAL TO THE BISHOP OF ROME AND THEY DIDN'T STUPIDLY FORMED A SOCIETY TO DISOBEY THE SEE OF PETER. HA, HA, HA...
[so today the SSPX belongs to the Church]
YOU BELONG TO THE DEVIL. THE ANTI-ARIAN BISHOPS DIDN'T FORM A SOCIETY SEPARATED AND DISOBEDIENT TO THE SEE OF PETER. HA, HA, HA... THE SSPX IS MORE IN COMMON WITH THE ARIANS. HA, HA, HA... BOTH ANTI-POPE AND ANTI-ECUMENICAL COUNCIL. HA, HA, HA... ARIUS AND LEFEBVRE ARE ENJOYING EACH OTHERS COMPANY NOW.
[and is keeping the Faith, without remotely pretending to replace, or to be on its own, the Church.]
HA, HA, HA... IT IS NOT KEEPING THE FAITH BECAUSE THE CATHOLIC FAITH IS NEVER WITHOUT PETER. A FAITH THAT IS SEPARATED FROM THE FAITH OF PETER AND HIS SUCCESSORS IS NOT CATHOLIC AND WILL NEVER BE CATHOLIC UNLESS IT UNITES WITH PETER.
ON THE CONTRARY, HAS PRESENTED ITSELF AS OVER AND ABOVE THE CHURCH.
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[when, in all Church history, were her assembled bishops deliberately ambiguos?]
NEVER DID THE CHURCH BECOME DELIBERATELY AMBIBUOUS. NEVER EVER.
[the ambiguity of Vatican II.]
THE VATICAN II IS THE CLEAREST COUNCIL IN THE HISTORY OF THE CHURCH. ALL DEBATES ARE RECORDED AND TRANSCRIBED AND THE LANGUAGE USED IS VERY MUCH UNDERSTANDABLE TO THE PEOPLE. ONLY THE MALICE OF SSPX AND THEIR MALICIOUS MINDS DO THEY FIND AMBIGUITY.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH VATICAN II. WHAT IS WRONG IS IN THEIR MINDS.
[When did churchmen ever resort to ambiguity unless it was to pave the way for heresy ?]
WHEN LEFEBVRE FORMED THE SSPX. HE WAS AMBIGUOUS WHAT IS IS FAITH AND WHAT IS HIS STAND. HE WAS SILENT DURING THE COUNCIL, HE SIGNED THE PROMULGATED DOCUMENTS AND LATER REJECTED HIS OWN SIGNATURE. HE IS NOT ONLY AMBIGUOUS BUT HYPOCRITE.
THE SSPX IS THE ONE IN HERESY BECAUSE IT IS PROMOTING SCHISM AND DISOBEDIENCE TO THE POPE. IT VIOLATES VATICAN I.
[In Our Lord's Church, yes is to be yes, and no is to be no (Mt.V, 37).]
THAT IS WHY VATICAN II IS CLEAR ON ITS STAND. IT IS LEFEBVRE WHO IS SATANICALLY DOES NOT KNOW IF HE SAID YES TO VATICAN II OR HE REJECTED IT BY REFUSAL TO UPHELD HIS OWN SIGNATURE.
[Kyrie eleison.]
HA, HA, HA... SEE. KYRIE ELEISON IS NOT LATIN BUT GREEK. LATIN IS NOT THE ONLY LANGUAGE CAN BE USED IN LITURGY. AND THERE IS NO DOGMA THAT ONLY KYRIE ELEISON CAN BE RECITED IN A LANGUAGE OTHER THAN LATIN. HA, HA, HA...
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ReplyDeleteJust to set clarification, the photo used above is not a liturgy under the Eastern Catholic Church or known as the Uniates... the main celebrant on the above photo is no other than the late Patriarch Pavle of the Serbian Orthodox Church of thriced blesed memory! Here is the source of your photo. Just a heads up and let us be responsible in tagging photos and labeling them as such.
http://www.kosovo.net/pilgrimg2.html
http://orthodoxmanilanews.blogspot.com/2009/11/memorial-and-funeral-service-for-late.html
http://www.mb.com.ph/node/229751/
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DOCTRINE -- WHY ? II
ReplyDeleteDoctrine, or teaching, is of the very essence of the Catholic Church. Souls must firstly be taught how to get to Heaven, or they will never get there. "Going, teach all nations" is among the very last instructions of Our Lord to his Apostles (Mt. XXVIII, 19). That is why Archbishop Lefebvre's heroic fight for Catholic Tradition (1970-1991) was first and foremost doctrinal.
That is also why, as quoted last week in EC 165, Bishop Fellay told Brian Mershon last May that doctrinal differences cannot be bracketed out in order to arrive at any practical agreement, however attractive, with Rome. Asked whether the rejection by the Society of St Pius X of a canonical or practical solution was not "a sign of obstinacy or ill will", the Bishop replied (his words are accessible on the website of the "Remnant") : "...It is very clear that whatever practical solution would happen without a sound doctrinal foundation would lead directly to disaster... We have all these previous examples in front of us - the Fraternity of St Peter, the Institute of Christ the King and all of the others are totally blocked on the level of doctrine because they first accepted the practical agreement."
The reason for Catholic doctrine being "blocked" by any practical agreement is common sense. Today's Romans are still absolutely attached to their Council (Vatican II). That Council is essentially a slide away from Catholic Tradition, the religion of God, down into a new religion of man. If then they make a major concession to Tradition, such as would be any regularization of the SSPX, they are bound to ask for some concession in return. Now they know that the SSPX clings to Catholic doctrine, for all the reasons given previously. So the least that they can require is that the doctrinal differences be passed over, for the moment.
But that is enough for the Romans' purposes ! As to "for the moment", once a practical re-union were to have been signed, the non-doctrinal euphoria of all the Traditional souls delighted to be no longer out in the cold (as they feel it) of Rome's disapproval, would make it quite difficult for the SSPX to back-track if - just by chance, of course - the "moment" were to turn into an indefinite length of time. The trap would have closed on the SSPX.
And as to the "passed over", to pass over doctrine, especially the radical doctrinal difference between the religion of God and the religion of man, is equivalent to passing over, or bracketing out, God Himself. But how can a servant of God possibly serve God by bracketing Him out, or passing Him over ? If one thinks about it, that is the first little step towards a great apostasy !
As Bishop Fellay points out, 40 years of experience confirm these principles - the battlefield of Catholic Tradition is littered with the corpses of organizations which started out nobly, but failed to grasp the importance of the doctrinal problem. ( pls. don't edit anything on my comments in the long run. hehehe)
Kyrie eleison.
Thank you for your information.
ReplyDeleteI found that photo from a Catholic website so I was really convinced that it was the Liturgy of the Eastern Catholics.
Good day too.
[DOCTRINE -- WHY ? II]
ReplyDeleteWHY, O WHY?
[Doctrine, or teaching, is of the very essence of the Catholic Church.]
CORRECT. THAT IS THE REASON WHY THE CHURCH PRESERVES HER TEACHING WITH DILIGENT CARE.
[Souls must firstly be taught how to get to Heaven, or they will never get there.]
DO YOU THINK THAT TEACHING CATHOLICS TO DISOBEY THE POPE THE WAY LEFEBVRE DID WILL BE GOOD FOR THEIR ENTRANCE INTO HEAVEN?
["Going, teach all nations" is among the very last instructions of Our Lord to his Apostles (Mt. XXVIII, 19).]
POPE PAUL VI, POPE JOHN PAUL THE GREAT AND POPE BENEDICT XVI WENT OUT TO VARIOUS NATIONS TO PREACH THE GOSPEL. BUT LEFEBVRE DIDN'T TEACH THE GOSPEL HE TAUGHT ABOUT HOW TO OPPOSE THE POPE AND HOW TO DISOBEY HIM.
[That is why Archbishop Lefebvre's heroic fight for Catholic Tradition (1970-1991) was first and foremost doctrinal.]
HIS FIGHT AGAINST THE POPE IS NOT DOCTRINAL BUT CANONICAL REFUSAL TO OBEY THE VICAR OF CHRIST. DOCTRINALLY IT IS CALLED THE SIN OF JUDAS... TREACHERY AGAINST THE CHURCH. DON'T HIDE HIS DEMONIC ACTIONS WITHIN CATHOLIC TRADITION BECAUSE NEVER DID CATHOLIC TRADITION TEACH THAT ONE MUST SEPARATE ITSELF FROM THE SEE OF PETER.
[That is also why, as quoted last week in EC 165, Bishop Fellay told Brian Mershon last May that doctrinal differences cannot be bracketed out in order to arrive at any practical agreement, however attractive, with Rome.]
ReplyDeleteHA, HA. HA... SO BE IT. DO YOU THINK THAT WE ARE SALIVATING TO ACCEPT YOUR RETURN TO ROME? ROME IS ROME WITHOUT YOU. IF THERE IS ANY DESIRE ON OUR PART TO HAVE YOU BACK IT IS ALSO TRUE THAT WE DON'T NEED YOU.
IT IS YOU WHO NEED US. BECAUSE YOU PRETEND TO BE CATHOLICS IN ORDER TO DECEIVE MORE OF OUR FAITHFUL TO JOIN YOUR REBELLION AGAINST THE HOLY FATHER THE WAY SATAN DID TO THE FALLEN ANGELS.
IF OUR DIFFERENCES IS DOCTRINAL THEN THERE IS REALLY NO UNITY BETWEEN US. SORRY FOR YOU BECAUSE PRE-VATICAN II DOGMA STATES THAT THE POPE IS THE SUPREME AUTHORITY ON MATTERS OF FAITH AND MORALS AND NOT FELLAY OR ANY OF YOUR ILLICIT BISHOPS.
OBVIOUSLY AS YOU HAVE SEPARATED FROM THE SEE OF PETER DOCTRINALLY THE POWER OF HELL HAS INFILTRATED YOUR SOCIETY AS WELL AS YOUR SOULS.
[Asked whether the rejection by the Society of St Pius X of a canonical or practical solution was not "a sign of obstinacy or ill will", the Bishop replied (his words are accessible on the website of the "Remnant") :]
OF COURSE, HE WILL RESPOND THAT WAY. EVEN IF YOU ASK SATAN IF HE COMMITTED SOMETHING CONTRARY TO THE CANON LAW HE WILL ANSWER THAT IT IS NOT OF ILL WILL. HA, HA, HA... THAT IS A VERY COMMON ALIBI THAT ONLY IDIOTS WILL BELIEVE. IT IS NOT FELLAY WHO IS THE DEFINITIVE AUTHORITY IN INTERPRETING THE CANONICAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE LIFE OF THE CHURCH BUT THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS IN COMMUNION WITH HIM.
[ "...It is very clear that whatever practical solution would happen without a sound doctrinal foundation would lead directly to disaster...]
THE SSPX IS A DISASTER BECAUSE IT ABANDONED THE SOUND DOCTRINAL FOUNDATION OF THE CHURCH WHICH IS THE OFFICE OF PETER AND THE PERSON OF THE VICAR OF CHRIST. THEY FOUNDED THEIR SOCIETY IN A MEGALOMANIAC FOOL LIKE LEFEBVRE NOT ON THE SUCCESSOR OF PETER. YOUR SOCIETY IS BUILT NOT ON SOLID ROCK BUT ON SAND.
[We have all these previous examples in front of us - the Fraternity of St Peter, the Institute of Christ the King and all of the others are totally blocked on the level of doctrine because they first accepted the practical agreement."]
ON THE CONTRARY THE SOCIETY OF ST. PETER AND THE INSTITUTE OF CHRIST THE KING ARE LIKE TREES PLANTED NEAR RUNNING WATERS IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BECAUSE THEY ARE IN UNION WITH PETER. BUT THE SSPX IS DEAD AS DEAD. IT NEEDS TO DECEIVE PEOPLE THAT IT IS STILL CATHOLIC IN ORDER TO GAIN MORE MEMBERS.
BUT, YOU CANNOT DO OTHERWISE. AS THE DEVILS ARE FORCED TO BELIEVE IN JESUS YOUR PRIESTS ARE NECESSITATED TO MENTION THE POPE IN THE MASS BECAUSE A POPELESS SOCIETY IS DOOMED TO ETERNAL DAMNATION ESPECIALLY IF IT CLAIMS TO BE CATHOLIC.
[The reason for Catholic doctrine being "blocked" by any practical agreement is common sense.]
ReplyDeleteLEFEBVRE IS SENSELESS. THE BEARER OF THE DEPOSIT OF THE FAITH AND ITS SUPREME GUARDIAN IS THE POPE. THE DIVINE PROTECTION FROM HERESY IS GIVEN TO THE POPE AND THE OFFICE OF PETER AND NOT ON THE SENILE LEFEBVRE.
[Today's Romans are still absolutely attached to their Council (Vatican II).]
OF COURSE, WE ARE ATTACHED TO OUR COUNCIL. VATICAN II IS OUR ECUMENICAL COUNCIL. IT IS NOT YOUR COUNCIL BECAUSE YOU ARE SCHISMATICS AND ENEMIES OF THE SEE OF PETER. AS SATAN FEELS THAT HE DOES NOT BELONG TO HEAVEN SO YOU FEEL THAT YOU DO NOT BELONG TO THE ROMAN CHURCH. HOW NICE. YOU ONLY PROVED BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT THAT YOU DO NOT BELONG TO THE ROMAN CHURCH.
[That Council is essentially a slide away from Catholic Tradition,]
O NO, NO, NO... THE SSPX IS THE ONE AGAINST CATHOLIC TRADITION. REBELLION AGAINST THE HOLY FATHER IS NOT CATHOLIC TRADITION. GIVE ME A SAINT WHO REBELLED AGAINST THE SEE OF PETER? ST. ATHANASIUS NEVER DID. PADRE PIO NEVER DID... SISTER LUCIA NEVER DID. ONLY LUTHER, ARIUS, NESTORIUS, JUDAS ISCARIOT AND LUCIFER COULD FIT THE BILL FOR YOUR DISOBEDIENCE.
[the religion of God, down into a new religion of man.]
YOURS IS A SOCIETY OF ANIMALS.
[If then they make a major concession to Tradition, such as would be any regularization of the SSPX, they are bound to ask for some concession in return.]
WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY CONCESSION. WE ARE ASKING FOR FULL RETURN TO COMMUNION WITH THE SEE OF PETER. IF YOU WILL REFUSE ITS FINE. YOU WILL JUST BE EXISTING LIKE THE ORTHODOX AND THE ANGLICANS.
[Now they know that the SSPX clings to Catholic doctrine, for all the reasons given previously.]
HA, HA, HA... WE KNOW NOW THAT SSPX IS AN ENEMY OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH AND AN EVIL TO BE OPPOSED.
[So the least that they can require is that the doctrinal differences be passed over, for the moment.]
O NO, NO, NO... WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO PASS OVER FOR THE MOMENT. WE WANT EITHER FULL ACCEPTANCE OF OUR FAITH OR GET AWAY FROM US. IF YOU THINK THAT WE WILL GIVE YOU CONCESSIONS YOU ARE MISTAKEN. YOU ARE NOT THAT IMPORTANT FOR US. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS COMPLETE ON HER OWN WITHOUT THE SSPX.
[But that is enough for the Romans' purposes !]
ReplyDeleteHA, HA, HA... NOW I AM TOTALLY CONVINCED THAT YOU AND THE SSPX ARE POSSESSED BY THE SAME DEMONS AS LUTHER. THANK YOU FOR CALLING US ROMANS. BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY THE NAME BEING USED AGAINST US BY THE PROTESTANTS, THE ANGLICANS, THE EVANGELICALS OR BORN AGAIN IN THE U.S. AND THE HERETIC CULTS IN THE PHILIPPINES. HA, HA, HA...
WE ARE PROUD TO BE ROMANS. HOW ABOUT YOU? IF YOU ARE NOT ROMAN WHAT ARE YOU? FRENCH? SWISS? HA, HA, HA...
[As to "for the moment", once a practical re-union were to have been signed, the non-doctrinal euphoria of all the Traditional souls delighted to be no longer out in the cold (as they feel it) of Rome's disapproval, would make it quite difficult for the SSPX to back-track if - just by chance, of course - the "moment" were to turn into an indefinite length of time.]
SO, IF YOU FEEL THAT IT WILL BE DISADVANTAGEOUS FOR YOU BETTER FOR YOU NOT TO REUNITE WITH US. WE DON'T WANT TO IMPOSE A DOCTRINAL RAPE OR LITURGICAL VIOLENCE. STAY WHERE YOU ARE UNTIL ALL OF YOU DIE ONE BY ONE.
YOU MAY SURVIVE HISTORICALLY LIKE THE ANGLICANS, THE ORTHODOX AND THE NESTORIANS. BUT YOU WILL BE A LIVING DEAD. SPIRITUALLY DEAD FOR BEING SEPARATED FROM THE ROCK THAT IS PETER.
[The trap would have closed on the SSPX.]
WE ARE NOT TRAPPING ANYONE. ACTUALLY, IT IS YOUR SATANIC SOCIETY WHO HAS SET A TRAP ON US. YOU PRETEND TO BE EAGER TO JOIN BACK AND REQUESTED THAT THE EXCOMMUNICATIONS BE REMOVED YET YOU ONLY USED THAT TO PLAY AROUND WITH THE CHARITY OF OUR POPE. DON'T THROW UNTO US YOUR OWN BRAND OF TREACHERY.
[And as to the "passed over", to pass over doctrine, especially the radical doctrinal difference between the religion of God and the religion of man,]
THE ROMAN CHURCH IS FOUNDED BY GOD WHILE YOUR SOCIETY IS FOUNDED BY AN OLD MAN KNOWN FOR BEING A FOOL.
[is equivalent to passing over, or bracketing out, God Himself.]
HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE FREE TO HALLUCINATE. DON'T INCLUDE GOD IN YOUR DELUSIONS. REBELLIONS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED BY GOD BUT WILL PUNISH IT ACCORDINGLY.
[But how can a servant of God possibly serve God by bracketing Him out, or passing Him over ?]
YOU ARE NOT SERVANTS OF GOD. YOU ARE FANATICAL SUPPORTERS OF AN EXCOMMUNICATED BASTARD.
[If one thinks about it, that is the first little step towards a great apostasy !]
YOU AND THE SSPX THAT YOU REPRESENT HAVE APOSTATIZED ALREADY. WHEN YOU REJECTED THE CHURCH OF ROME AND THE OFFICE OF PETER THEN YOU FELL INTO HERESY, APOSTASY AND SCHISM.
[As Bishop Fellay points out, 40 years of experience confirm these principles - the battlefield of Catholic Tradition is littered with the corpses of organizations which started out nobly, but failed to grasp the importance of the doctrinal problem.]
40 YEARS HAVE PASSED BUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS STILL THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THE MISSIONARY OF CHARITY OF MOTHER TERESA ALONE IS EVEN GREATER THAN THE SSPX. WHILE YOUR SOCIETY IS A PIECE OF SHIT STILL. IT IS NOT EVEN ONE PERCENT OF THE CATHOLIC POPULACE. YOU'VE FAILED TO RALLY PEOPLE TO YOUR SIDE BECAUSE THE SENSUS FIDEI HAVE SMELLED YOUR TRUE COLORS - ENEMIES OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH AND TRAITORS TO TRADITION.
[( pls. don't edit anything on my comments in the long run. hehehe)]
OF COURSE. DO YOU THINK THAT I WILL BE AFRAID OF YOUR REASONING. I FIND IT HILARIOUS AND PATHETIC. HA, HA, HA...
THE MORE THE SSPX PEOPLE OPEN THEIR MOUTHS THE MORE THEY ARE CONDEMNING THEMSELVES. HA, HA, HA...
[Kyrie eleison.]
THANK YOU FOR PRAYING IN GREEK. SEE, THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT AS STUPID AS THE SSPX TO ADVOCATE 'LATIN ONLY'. HA, HA, HA...
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ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous, the earlier messenger was correct. Because of his or her message I changed the photo and made it sure that I am really posting one belonging to the Eastern Catholic Church.
ReplyDeleteThank you.