The Word of the Lord protects and upholds Peter and His Office. But no promise is given to Lefebvre and his schismatic minions. WE ARE ONE WITH PETER AND WE REJECT THE REBELLION OF LEFEBVRE THE OLD FOOL.
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Bishop de Galarreta's arguments in favour of the doctrinal discussions currently taking place between Rome and the Society of St Pius X.
this was once argued that there is little hope of any agreement coming out of the discussions, on the grounds that you cannot mix oil and water. If you shake furiously a bottle containing both, the oil and water will mingle for as long as the shaking goes on, but as soon as it stops, the oil and water separate again. It is in their nature. Being lighter, oil is bound to float on top of water.
It is likewise in the nature of the true Church's divine doctrine and neo-modernism's humanistic doctrine to be able to mingle but not mix. The "letter" or documents of Vatican II made them mingle, but not even Vatican II's masterpieces of mingling, e.g. "Dignitatis Humanae" on religious liberty, could get the two to mix. The aftermath of Vatican II, in accordance with its "spirit", demonstrated this. That "spirit of the Council" is still tearing the Church apart. Benedict XVI's "hermeneutic of continuity" is a recipe for continuing to shake furiously, or should we say resolutely, but the religion of God and the religion of man will still not mix. They still fly apart.
Then why did some quote Bishop de Galarreta favouring the discussions ? For two reasons. Firstly, as to the discussions' main effect, in none of his arguments - read them carefully - did he expect or hope that oil and water can be made to mix. On the contrary, when he said that he looked forward to the discussions being terminated in the spring of next year, he surely implied that the shaking of the bottle should not go on indefinitely, especially if that were to foster in anybody the illusion that oil and water can eventually be made to mix. Secondly, all of his arguments mentioned side-effects of the discussions, whereby the contacts which they bring about between Rome and the SSPX act as anti-freeze, both in the radiator of Romans wishing to freeze off the SSPX, and in the radiator of SSPX wishing to freeze off Rome.
others has the honour of agreeing with his colleague that Rome-SSPX contacts are good for the Universal Church, so long as there is no question of the SSPX failing in its Providential mission of helping to guard from today's Rome the Deposit of the Faith for when tomorrow's Rome will come back to its Catholic senses. "Heaven and earth shall pass away", says Our Lord, "but my words shall not pass away" (Lk.XXI,33).
Kyrie eleison.
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[Bishop de Galarreta's arguments in favour of the doctrinal discussions currently taking place between Rome and the Society of St Pius X.]
AND WHO IS THIS CALDERETA? I DO NOT RECOGNIZE HIS AUTHORITY AND HIS BISHOPRIC UNLESS HE IS UNITED WITH PETER AND THE BISHOPS OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. I REJECT THE AUTHORITY OF THIS TRAITOR.
OUTSIDE THE CHURCH ARE THE HERETICAL AND SCHISMATIC DOGS, FILTHY AND MALICIOUS HERETICS WHO ARE ATTACKERS OF THE MOST HOLY CHURCH OF GOD. SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF THE EXCOMMUNICATED LEFEBVRE OF CONDEMNABLE MEMORY. VICIOUS IN HIS REBELLION AND VICIOUS IN HIS VILENESS.
[this was once argued that there is little hope of any agreement coming out of the discussions, on the grounds that you cannot mix oil and water.]
YOU ARE THE OIL AND WE ARE THE WATER. BUT THE HOLY WATER AND THE HOLY OIL BOTH BELONGS TO THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH NOT TO THE SCHISMATICS LIKE YOU.
[If you shake furiously a bottle containing both, the oil and water will mingle for as long as the shaking goes on, but as soon as it stops, the oil and water separate again.]
HA, HA, HA... IT MEANS THAT WE CAN NO LONGER BE UNITED AGAIN. SO BE IT. GOOD RIDDANCE. SAYONARA! AU REVOIR! FAREWELL TO THE CONCUBINE.
[It is in their nature.]
THE ONE AND ONLY CHURCH CAN NEVER BE IN COMMUNION WITH THE HERETICS AND SCHISMATICS LIKE YOU. THE JERUSALEM IN HEAVEN IS THE MOTHER OF ALL WHILE YOU BELONG TO WHORE OF BABYLON.
[Being lighter, oil is bound to float on top of water.]
THE WATER IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BUT THE OIL WHICH IS FILTHY IS THE SSPX. THEY TRY TO DECEIVE PEOPLE BY CLAIMING TO BE CATHOLICS BUT SOON THE SENSUS FIDEI WILL FIND THEIR VENOM AND HYPOCRISY ON THE SURFACE.
[It is likewise in the nature of the true Church's divine doctrine and neo-modernism's humanistic doctrine to be able to mingle but not mix.]
THAT IS WHY THE TEACHINGS OF THE CHURCH ARE NEVER MIXED WITH THESE THINGS. THE CHURCH IS ALWAYS AND CONSTANTLY PURE IN ITS DOCTRINE.
[ The "letter" or documents of Vatican II made them mingle, but not even Vatican II's masterpieces of mingling, e.g. "Dignitatis Humanae" on religious liberty, could get the two to mix.]
DIGNITATIS HUMANAE IS FREE FROM NEO MODERNISM. IT IS FILLED WITH BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES OF LOVE OF NEIGHBOR AND RESPECT OF OTHER PEOPLE. UNLIKE THE MIND OF LEFEBVRE WHO WAS SO VILE, CAPRICIOUS, MALICIOUS AND PHARISAICAL IN HIS INTERPRETATION OF THE DOCTRINE OF THE CHURCH.
FREEDOM COMES FROM GOD. SLAVERY FROM THE DEVIL. THAT IS WHY WE UPHELD RELIGIOUS LIBERTY BECAUSE WE OPPOSE RELIGIOUS SLAVERY. WHERE THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS THERE IS FREEDOM. IT MEANS THE HOLY SPIRIT IS ABSENT IN THE HERESY OF LEFEBVRE BECAUSE IT REJECTS EVEN THE BASIC HUMAN RIGHT OF MEN... TO FREELY CHOOSE HIS RELIGION.
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES THAT IT IS SHE WHICH IS THE ONE AND TRUE CHURCH BUT SHE STILL RESPECTS OTHERS WHO DISAGREE WITH HER. LEFEBVRE IS SO EVIL THAT HE DOES NOT WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE FREEDOM OF OTHERS. HE WANTED TO IMPOSE HIS RELIGION ON ALL, LIKE WILLIAMSON. THUS, THEY ARE BOTH FOOLS DUE TO SEPARATION FROM THE SEE OF PETER.
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[The aftermath of Vatican II, in accordance with its "spirit", demonstrated this.]
2 Corinthians 3:17 [Douay-Rheims Bible] "Now the Lord is a Spirit. And where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is LIBERTY."
SO, ST. PAUL ONLY CONFIRMED THAT VATICAN II IS FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD. THEN LEFEBVRE AS A REBEL IS FILLED WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE DEVIL.
WHEREVER THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS THERE IS LIBERTY!
VATICAN II UPHELD RELIGIOUS LIBERTY. WHILE THE LEFEBVRISTS HATE RELIGIOUS LIBERTY. TRULY DEMONIC THIS CULT IS.
[That "spirit of the Council" is still tearing the Church apart.]
HA, HA, HA... THE SSPX IS THE ONE TEARING THE CHURCH APART BUT THEY FAILED TO DO SO. LIKE LUCIFER WHO SUCCEEDED IN DECEIVING THE MINORITY OF ANGELS ONLY A HANDFUL JOINED LEFEBVRE. NOT EVEN 1 PERCENT AND MANY OF THEM HAS RETURNED ALREADY. HA, HA, HA...
[Benedict XVI's "hermeneutic of continuity" is a recipe for continuing to shake furiously, or should we say resolutely, but the religion of God and the religion of man will still not mix. They still fly apart.]
THERE IS NO NEED FOR THE POPE TO SHAKE BECAUSE VATICAN II IS ALREADY PROMULGATED AND FINISHED. IT IS LIKE A BREAD THAT IS COOKED AND PREPARED. WE ARE MERELY ENJOYING ITS BOUNTIFUL FRUITS. ONLY THE SSPX ARE UNHAPPY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO PRACTICE RELIGIOUS SLAVERY.
[Then why did some quote Bishop de Galarreta favouring the discussions ?]
WHO IS THIS BISHOP CALDERETA? I DO NOT RECOGNIZE ANY SSPX BISHOP. THEY ARE NOT MY BISHOP. I DO NOT RECOGNIZE ANY TRAITOR TO THE SEE OF PETER.
[For two reasons. Firstly, as to the discussions' main effect, in none of his arguments - read them carefully - did he expect or hope that oil and water can be made to mix.]
ONLY AN IDIOT WILL ASK THAT QUESTION. TELL HIM TO COME TO ME AND I WILL POUR HIM THOSE OIL RIGHT ON HIS HEAD AND WITH A TORCH LIGHTED NEARBY. TELL HIM NOT TO WORRY BECAUSE I WILL ALSO POUR WATER AFTER I THREW HIM THE TORCH. HA, HA, HA...
THESE QUESTIONS ARE MADE FOR MELODRAMATICS. THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THIS SSPX THEY ARE FULL OF DELUSIONS. THEY FAIL TO SEE REALITY OVER THEIR ILLUSIONS.
[On the contrary, when he said that he looked forward to the discussions being terminated in the spring of next year, he surely implied that the shaking of the bottle should not go on indefinitely, especially if that were to foster in anybody the illusion that oil and water can eventually be made to mix.]
TELL HIM TO GO TO THE MOON. MAYBE IN THE OUTER SPACE HE CAN MIX THEM. HA, HA, HA... ON OUR PART, WE DO NOT HAVE TIME TO JOIN HIM IN HIS FOOLISH SHAKING AND MIXING. WE ARE BUSY DOING SOMETHING ELSE. WE HAVE NO TIME TO LISTEN TO WACKY OLD FOOLS MIXING WATER AND OIL.
[Secondly, all of his arguments mentioned side-effects of the discussions, whereby the contacts which they bring about between Rome and the SSPX act as anti-freeze, both in the radiator of Romans wishing to freeze off the SSPX, and in the radiator of SSPX wishing to freeze off Rome.]
HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE TALKING LIKE A REFRIGERATOR. WHAT A REFRIGERATED THEOLOGY. HA, HA, HA...
THE ROMAN CHURCH WOULD NOT BOTHER TO FREEZE SSPX. WE RATHER LET THEM ROT IN THE SUNLIGHT.
[others has the honour of agreeing with his colleague that Rome-SSPX contacts are good for the Universal Church, so long as there is no question of the SSPX failing in its Providential mission of helping to guard from today's Rome the Deposit of the Faith for when tomorrow's Rome will come back to its Catholic senses.]
HA, HA, HA... YOUR YESTERDAY'S ROME IS THE ROME OF TODAY. THE ROME OF THE FUTURE WILL BE THE ROME OF TODAY AS WELL.
WOE TO YOU BECAUSE YOU CHOSE TO BE TRAITORS TO THIS ONE AND ONLY ROME.
["Heaven and earth shall pass away", says Our Lord, "but my words shall not pass away" (Lk.XXI,33).]
AND THE WORD OF THE LORD IS THAT "YOU ARE PETER AND UPON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH AND THE GATE OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT."
WE BELONG TO PETER AND YOU BELONG TO THE GATE OF HELL.
[Kyrie eleison.]
MAY THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD GRANT YOU THE GRACE TO RETURN TO PETER.
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While the Rome-Society of St Pius X discussions are, by accounts from both sides, running into a doctrinal brick wall, together with a rumour from Rome spell danger for traditionalist Catholics. That danger is a political deal which would simply go round the side of the doctrinal blockage. Politics threaten to circumvent doctrine.
ReplyDeletea few months ago a large proportion of Catholics attending SSPX Mass centres are hoping and waiting for some agreement to come out of the discussions. If - repeat, if -- this is true, it is very serious. Such Catholics may get full marks for wishing not to be cut off from what appears to be Rome, but they get low marks for not grasping that as long as the discussions remain doctrinal, there is no way in which the neo-modernist teaching of Vatican II can be reconciled with the Catholic doctrine of the true Church. Such Catholics may venerate and love Archbishop Lefebvre . They had best wake up if they are not in one way or another to fall into the arms of the neo-modernist Romans.especially to BASTARDS like you hehehe...
Agreement in front of doctrine means politics before religion, unity before truth, man before God. God before man means truth before unity, religion before politics and doctrine being more important than any non-doctrinal agreement. Only dreamers could not foresee the Rome-SSPX discussions running into a doctrinal brick wall. Only politicians can wish for any non-doctrinal agreement to come out of them.
Alas, to all appearances Benedict XVI sincerely believes in the Newchurch of Vatican II which is to unite in its bosom all men absolutely, regardless of whether they believe or not in the one true doctrine of the Faith. Therefore he sincerely wishes to gather in the SSPX as well - and he does not normally have too much longer to live ! So the blockage of doctrinal discussions should not unduly worry him. He must be looking to cut a political deal with the SSPX, in order to unite it with the rest of the Newchurch. It follows that he must ask of the SSPX neither too much, or it would refuse the deal, nor too little, because then the rest of the Newchurch would rise up in protest.
The rumour from Rome is precisely that he is thinking of a "Motu Proprio" which would accept the SSPX "back into the Church" once and for all, yet require from the SSPX no explicit acceptance of Vatican II or the New Mass, but only, for instance, the acceptance of John-Paul II's 1992 "Catechism of the Catholic Church", which is substantially modernist but in a quiet way. Thus the SSPX would not appear to its followers to be accepting the Council or the New Mass, yet it would be softly, softly, beginning to go along with the substance of neo-modernism.
Kyrie eleison.
[While the Rome-Society of St Pius X discussions are, by accounts from both sides, running into a doctrinal brick wall, together with a rumour from Rome spell danger for traditionalist Catholics.]
ReplyDeleteTHE SSPX DIDN'T RUN INTO A BRICK WALL. IT SIMPLY BANGED ITS HEAD ON A ROCK CALLED 'PETROS'. LUCIFER AND LEFEBVRE COMBINED WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DESTROY THIS ROCK.
[That danger is a political deal which would simply go round the side of the doctrinal blockage. Politics threaten to circumvent doctrine.]
WE ARE NOT AFTER POLITICAL DEAL WITH ANYONE MUCH MORE WITH SSPX. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CONFRONTED AND FOUGHT WITH KINGS AND THE POWERS OF THIS WORLD AND IT NEVER CAPITULATE. NOT WITH THE PAGAN ROME OF NERO, NOT WITH NAPOLEON, NOT WITH ELIZABETH 1 OF ENGLAND, NOT WITH THE TSARS OF RUSSIA, NOT WITH THE SOVIETS AND ESPECIALLY NOT WITH THE SSPX BASTARDS. He, he, he...
[a few months ago a large proportion of Catholics attending SSPX Mass centres are hoping and waiting for some agreement to come out of the discussions.]
LARGE? I THINK YOU ARE BLIND SO THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IS LARGE AND WHAT IS MEDIUM AND WHAT IS SMALL. HA, HA, HA... WHEN WE TALK OF LARGE FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HERE IN THE PHILIPPINES IT IS THE GATHERING OF MIMINUM 2 MILLION BAPTIZED CATHOLIC IN THE LUNETA GRANDSTAND IN A NOVUS ORDO MASS. NOT IN YOUR HYPOCRITICAL, BORING MASS FULL OF EXPENSIVE CLOTHES JUST TO COVER YOUR SCHISMS AND HERESIES. YOUR PRIESTS ARE LIKE DEMONS PRETENDING TO BE ANGELS OF LIGHT. HA, HA, HA...
[If - repeat, if -- this is true, it is very serious.]
HA, HA, HA... AS FAR AS WE ARE CONCERNED MORE AND MORE OF SSPX PRIESTS AND FOLLOWERS ARE RETURNING TO THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AFTER SEEING THE HYPOCRISY INSIDE THE SSPX. THEY COULD FEEL THE EMPTINESS OF SUCH A POPELESS SOCIETY.
THEIR LARGEST MASS I THINK WILL BE VERY HAPPY TO GATHER AROUND 200 PEOPLE. HA, HA, HA... SOME OF THEM ARE SIMPLY DECEIVED THAT THEY ARE GOING TO A ROMAN CATHOLIC MASS. HA, HA, HA...
[Such Catholics may get full marks for wishing not to be cut off from what appears to be Rome, but they get low marks for not grasping that as long as the discussions remain doctrinal, there is no way in which the neo-modernist teaching of Vatican II can be reconciled with the Catholic doctrine of the true Church.]
THERE IS ONLY ONE ROME AND THAT ROME IS THE TRUE ROME. WHAT APPEARS TO BE ROMAN ARE THE ILLICIT PRIESTS OF THE SSPX WHO ARE FAKES AND LITURGICAL BASTARDS. SONS OF THE WACKY OLD FOOL NAMED LEFEBVRE.
[Such Catholics may venerate and love Archbishop Lefebvre .]
THE TOMB OF JOHN PAUL THE GREAT IS VISITED BY ABOUT 20,000 PEOPLE A DAY BUT THE TOMB OF LEFEBVRE IS A GARBAGE IN COMPARISON. SURELY, THE CALL OF SANTO SUBITO IS UNIVERSAL FOR JOHN PAUL II AND SILENT FOR THE WACKY OLD FOOL, LEFEBVRE.
[They had best wake up if they are not in one way or another to fall into the arms of the neo-modernist Romans.especially to BASTARDS like you hehehe...]
HA, HA, HA... WE ARE AWAKE AND SINCE WE ARE AWAKE WE WILL NOT JOIN ANIMALS LIKE YOU. YOU CAN JOIN LEFEBVRE IN HELL WHEN YOU AND YOUR MEMBERS PASS AWAY BUT WE ARE NOT FOOLS TO JOIN IN YOUR MADNESS.
[Agreement in front of doctrine means politics before religion,]
ReplyDeleteWELL IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN THE FACT THAT THE SSPX APOINTED A REPRESENTATIVE IN THE DIALOGUE WITH THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IS A PROOF OF YOUR DOCTRINAL HYPOCRISY AND POLITICAL STRATEGY. IT IS ALSO VERY STRIKING THAT BERNARD FELLAY CALLS OUR POPE 'HOLY FATHER'. HA, HA, HA... BY YOUR STANDARD YOUR SSPX AND YOUR LEADERSHIP ARE COMMITTING POLITICAL MOCKERY OF YOUR OWN POSITION.
[unity before truth, man before God.]
NICE WORDS BUT THE DEPOSIT OF FAITH, THE BODY OF TRUTH HANDED ON BY CHRIST IS ENTRUSTED TO PETER AND NOT TO LEFEBVRE, YOUR WACKY OLD FOOL. THUS, WE PARAPHRASE THE WORDS OF ST. THOMAS MORE, "WE MAY BE LOYAL TO THE ARCHBISHOP BUT GOD FIRST!"
WE HAVE CHOSE THE OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVE OF GOD OVER A WACKY OLD FOOL.
[God before man means truth before unity,]
THE TRUTH OF FAITH IS IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND NOT IN THE SOCIETY OF THE POPELESS WHERE YOU BELONG. HE, HE, HE...
[religion before politics]
YOUR WILLIAMSON IS A STUPID POLITICIAN WHILE YOUR GALERETA IS A SERPENTINE POLITICIAN. HA, HA, HA... IMAGINE, SPEAKING OF OIL AND WATER. HA, HA, HA...
[and doctrine being more important than any non-doctrinal agreement.]
WE DOT WISH TO HAVE ANY NON-DOCTRINAL AGREEMENT WITH YOU. WE CAN LIVE WITHOUT YOU BUT YOU CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT US. YOU ARE PARASITES WHO ARE SUCKING BLOOD FROM US WHILE ATTACKING YOUR OWN SOURCE OF LIVING.
[Only dreamers could not foresee the Rome-SSPX discussions running into a doctrinal brick wall.]
IT IS FORESEEN. HOWEVER, OUR POPES ARE VISIONARIES WHILE YOUR LEADERS ARE VENOMOUS POLITICIANS. ONE TIME THEY ATTACK AND ONE TIME THEY PLEAD MERCY. ONCE MERCY IS GIVEN THEN THEY ATTACK. HA, HA, HA... YOU EASILY LEARNED THE ART OF DIPLOMACY AND POLITICS.
[ Only politicians can wish for any non-doctrinal agreement to come out of them.]
THANK GOD WE DO NOT WISH ANYTHING FROM YOU.
[Alas, to all appearances Benedict XVI sincerely believes in the Newchurch of Vatican II]
THE CHURCH OF BENEDICT XVI IS NOT NEW BUT OLD. IN FACT, HE ADVOCATES THE THEOLOGY OF RETURN TO THE SOURCES SUCH AS THE PATRISTIC STUDIES. UNLIKE YOUR WACKY OLD FOOL WHOSE CONCEPT OF THE CHURCH IS ONLY FROM 16TH CENTURY.
[which is to unite in its bosom all men absolutely, regardless of whether they believe or not in the one true doctrine of the Faith.]
ReplyDeleteHA, HA, HA... THIS IS THE MOST STUPID ARGUMENT I'VE EVER HEARD FROM AN SSPX. HA, HA, HA...
DEFINITELY THE POPE DO NOT ACCEPT ALL MEN INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WITHOUT BELIEVING THE ONE TRUE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH. HA, HA, HA... THE MOSLEMS AND THE PROTESTANTS AND THE ANGLICANS BECOMING ROMAN CATHOLICS ARE BEING GIVEN THOROUGH CATECHESIS AND ARE BEING BAPTIZED INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
THE SSPX IS USELESS AND STERILE IN BRINGING PEOPLE OF OTHER FAITH INTO THE CATHOLIC FOLD. LIKE LUCIFER... LEFEBVRE IS ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT HIS REBELLION BUT NOT ON CONVERTING SOULS TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
THOSE WHO ARE CONVERTING THROUGH APOLOGETIC WORKS THE CULT MEMBERS HERE IN THE PHILIPPINES AND IN THE UNITED STATES ARE THE CATHOLIC APOLOGISTS BELONGING TO THE VATICAN II DECREES.
[Therefore he sincerely wishes to gather in the SSPX as well - and he does not normally have too much longer to live !]
HA, HA, HA... WHEN THE POPE DIES ANOTHER POPE WILL LIVE. AND THAT POPE WILL NOT BE IN NEED OF SSPX TO REALIZE HIS PASTORAL PLAN FOR THE CHURCH. THE SSPX IS ALREADY LIKE A ROTTEN CORPS. MORE AND MORE CATHOLICS ARE COMING OUT IN THE OPEN TO DENOUNCE ITS EVIL AND HYPOCRISY.
[So the blockage of doctrinal discussions should not unduly worry him.]
THE POPE IS NOT WORRY OF ANYONE OR ANYTHING ELSE. MUCH MORE THE SSPX. HIS VIRTUE OF HOPE IS TOO STRONG THAT THE ENEMIES OF THE FAITH ARE BEING SURPRISED BY HIS STEADFAST SPIRIT. THE MORE HE GETS OLD THE MORE HIS WISDOM SHINES. UNLIKE LEFEBVFRE AND WILLIAMSON, THE MORE THEY GET OLD THE MORE THEY BECOME SENILE AND FOOLISH.
[He must be looking to cut a political deal with the SSPX, in order to unite it with the rest of the Newchurch.]
HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE FREE TO HALLUCINATE.
[It follows that he must ask of the SSPX neither too much, or it would refuse the deal, nor too little, because then the rest of the Newchurch would rise up in protest.]
HA, HA, HA... YOU HAVE FED UP YOURSELF WITH SO MUCH CONSPIRACY THEORIES THAT YOUR OWN LIES HAVE SUNK DEEP WITHIN YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS. YOU ARE SO CONVINCED OF YOUR OWN INVENTED LIES. HA, HA, HA...
[The rumour from Rome is precisely that he is thinking of a "Motu Proprio" which would accept the SSPX "back into the Church" once and for all,]
HA, HA, HA... YOU KNOW THERE ARE ANOTHER TERM FOR YOUR CONSPIRACY THEORIES: RUMORS AND GOSSIPS. HA, HA, HA... THAT IS HOW CHEAP YOUR SSPX IS.
THERE IS FREEDOM OF DELUSION IN THE WORLD AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU ARE UPHOLDING IT. HA, HA, HA...
MY SUGGESTION IS THAT YOU STOP WAITING FOR THAT MOTU PROPRIO BUT INSTEAD WAIT FOR 'MULTO PROPRIO'. HA, HA, HA...
[yet require from the SSPX no explicit acceptance of Vatican II or the New Mass, but only, for instance, the acceptance of John-Paul II's 1992 "Catechism of the Catholic Church", which is substantially modernist but in a quiet way.]
WELL, IF YOU DONT ACCEPT VATICAN II DON'T ACCEPT IT AT ALL. AND THE NEW MASS WILL BE BETTER LEFT AS IT IS FREE FROM THE PRESENCE OF LITURGICAL FOOLS LIKE THE SSPX WHO VIEWS EVERYTHING AS EVIL EXCEPT THOSE THEY ACCEPT.
I HAVE SEVERAL COPIES OF CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND YET NONE OF THEM EVER SPEAKS OR UTTER A SOUND. IT IS SURPRISING THAT YOU REFER TO IT AS MODERNIST IN A QUIET WAY. HA, HA, HA...
[Thus the SSPX would not appear to its followers to be accepting the Council or the New Mass, yet it would be softly, softly, beginning to go along with the substance of neo-modernism.]
HA, HA, HA... YOU CAN ALL WALLOW INTO THE OLD SYSTEM OF REBELLION STARTED BY LUCIFER... THE OLD... THE ANCIENT DRAGON WHO DECEIVED THE WORLD AND WHO DECEIVED YOUR FOUNDER LEFEBVRE WHO IN TURNED DECEIVED YOU.
[Kyrie eleison.]
KYRIE ELEISON. THE LITURGY IS NOT EXCLUSIVELY LATIN. ONLY FOOLS TEACHES 'LATIN ONLY'.
[Bishop de Galarreta's arguments in favour of the doctrinal discussions currently taking place between Rome and the Society of St Pius X. ]
ReplyDeleteSo that formerly EXCOMMUNICATED Bishop de Galaretta is having dialogue with the Rome. Why? Because he knows they have NO CANONICAL STATUS with the Catholic Church despite the fact that pope Benedict XVI removed the excommunication. It is in Rome of the past, the Same Rome of today and the Rome of future that the we look to safeguard the purity of our faith not to Bishop Galaretta who is clearly NO CANONICAL STATUS in the Church.
[this was once argued that there is little hope of any agreement coming out of the discussions, on the grounds that you cannot mix oil and water. If you shake furiously a bottle containing both, the oil and water will mingle for as long as the shaking goes on, but as soon as it stops, the oil and water separate again. It is in their nature. Being lighter, oil is bound to float on top of water.]
That oil is the corrupted teachings of SSPX whch came from Lefebvre who interpreted the tradition apart from the Legitimate Successor of Peter while the water is the Chair of Peter where it is guaranteed that it cannot fall into Heresy (cf Pastor Aeternus). Unless they continue to reject or have some reservation with the Teaching Authority of Vatican II it is impossible for them to enter into FULL COMMUNION with the Catholic Church for an ecumenical council like that of the Second Vatican for “the infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter's successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium," above all in an Ecumenical Council.” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 891).
[It is likewise in the nature of the true Church's divine doctrine and neo-modernism's humanistic doctrine to be able to mingle but not mix. The "letter" or documents of Vatican II made them mingle, but not even Vatican II's masterpieces of mingling, e.g. "Dignitatis Humanae" on religious liberty, could get the two to mix.]
ReplyDeleteDiginitates Humanae does not teach RELIGOUS LIBERALISM (a philosophy that a religion is good than the other one) but man’s right to RELGIOUS FREEDOM. In fact the same declaration affirms that “this (the Catholic Church) one true religion subsists in the Catholic and Apostolic Church, to which the Lord Jesus committed the duty of spreading it abroad among all men” ( Dignitates Humanae, paragraph 1) . So you claim on “RELIGOUS LIBERTY” is inaccurate. What do you want to do? Force our separated brethren to enter the Catholic Church and burn them at stake if they do not want to? The fathers of the Council affirm that “This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. This freedom means that all men are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits.” (Dignitates Humanae, paragraph 2)Why did the council declare this so? Because man has always free will even God himself does not force men to love him and that freewill is inviolable. Jesus himself did not even force the people that his flesh is true food and his blood true drink (cf John 6:55) and allowed the people to leave him and “returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him” (John 6:66). If they enter the Catholic Church because of coercive power then their entrance is not true.
If you are so angry with “Dignitates Humanae” you have Lefebvre to thank for that. You see that disobedient bishop rejects that document and claims he did not signed it. But the thing is, HE SIGNED ITS APPROVAL SHEET. On the contrary he claims what he sign is “THE ATTENDANCE SHEET”. Poor Lefebvre, he could not even distinguish what is the difference between “APPROVAL SHEET’ and “ATTENDANCE SHEET”. Whatever he claims, the fact remains HE SIGNED THE APRROVAL SHEET and therefore when the counting for those who approved it, HIS SIGNATURE WAS INCLUDED IN THE COUNT and this is confirmed by the Archive custodian of the Vatican . If you want proof see the previous post of this blog where you can see Lefebvre and Castromayer’s signature
[The aftermath of Vatican II, in accordance with its "spirit", demonstrated this. That "spirit of the Council" is still tearing the Church apart. Benedict XVI's "hermeneutic of continuity" is a recipe for continuing to shake furiously, or should we say resolutely, but the religion of God and the religion of man will still not mix. They still fly apart.]
ReplyDeleteSo it is clear that you DO NOT ACCEPT THE SUPREME AUTHORITY OF THE BISHOP OF ROME! HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE HIM OF “SHAKING THE RELIGION OF GOD AND RELIGION OF MAN”? Excuse me, it is Benedict XVI as successor of Peter and those bishops in communion with has the supreme right to teach and interpret the Sacred Tradition, the writings of the Sacred Scriptures and the teaching declaration of the Church. Not Lefebvre and definitely not Bishop de Galaretta or the other three disobedient bishops who were ordained with him. Benedict XVI is not shaking the religion of man and religion of God because he is the visible head of the Church which Christ Built. We look to him as the protector of the purity of our Apostolic faith and not Lefebvre, Castromayer, de Galaretta, Williamson or Fellay because they are NOT IN COMMUNION WITH HIM.
[Then why did some quote Bishop de Galarreta favouring the discussions ? For two reasons. Firstly, as to the discussions' main effect, in none of his arguments - read them carefully - did he expect or hope that oil and water can be made to mix. On the contrary, when he said that he looked forward to the discussions being terminated in the spring of next year, he surely implied that the shaking of the bottle should not go on indefinitely, especially if that were to foster in anybody the illusion that oil and water can eventually be made to mix.]
ReplyDeleteIf Bishop de Galaretta hopes that in spring the talks with SSPX and Rome would be discontinued fine. If the SSPX does not want to accept Vatican II so be it. Rome is still Rome without them and that Diocese where Peter shed his blood shall not be overcome with the minions of hell. SSPX on the other hand by stepping out from the Church by rejecting her magisterial authority in Vatican II will be easily swept away by the errors of heresy just like the Old Catholic Church in Utretch who rejected papal infallibility in Vatican I. As long as the SSPX lacks to the trust of Christ to Peter they will lost the orthodoxy of the faith.
[ Secondly, all of his arguments mentioned side-effects of the discussions, whereby the contacts which they bring about between Rome and the SSPX act as anti-freeze, both in the radiator of Romans wishing to freeze off the SSPX, and in the radiator of SSPX wishing to freeze off Rome.]
ReplyDeleteIf Lefebvre had only honour his promises with the Holy See then there is no need for such argument but he broke it so I won’t be surprise if these 4 bishops will do the same if they ever reach an agreement with Rome. We look to the Pope of Rome as our protector of our tradition not to the SSPX
[others has the honour of agreeing with his colleague that Rome-SSPX contacts are good for the Universal Church, so long as there is no question of the SSPX failing in its Providential mission of helping to guard from today's Rome the Deposit of the Faith for when tomorrow's Rome will come back to its Catholic senses. "Heaven and earth shall pass away", says Our Lord, "but my words shall not pass away" (Lk.XXI,33).]
The Pope wants them back because he values the unity. But the thing it is they who are out of Rome. Are you saying that the Rome of today has fallen to heresy? Excuse me, the Rome of yesterday, today and tomorrow will be the SAME. And Rome shall never fall into heresy “because this See of St. Peter ALWAYS REMAINS UNBLEMISHED BY ANY ERROR, in accordance with the divine promise of our Lord and Savior to the prince of his disciples: I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren”. (Vatican I, Pastor Aeternus) This promise of our Lord has “Never passed away” even up to the present time. SSPX needs the Bishop of Rome to obtain the purity of the faith, not the other way around.
[Kyrie eleison. ]
Will you stop that “Kyrie eleison” because it only shows how cynical and hypocrite you are. begging for God’s mercy but you are attacking the Representative of his Son. DO you know what Jesus said to his disciples when they are being rejected? "He who listens to you listens to me; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me." (Luke 10:16) That applies to the Successor of Peter and the Successor of the Apostles who are in communion with him but not to the SSPX bishops.