Sunday, September 5, 2010

MY JOURNEY OUT OF THE LEFEBVRE SCHISM by Pete Vere

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My Journey out of the Lefebvre Schism ENVOY MAGAZINE

If you’re a Catholic who’s faithful to the Church’s teaching Magisterium, you’ve probably met up with followers of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre’s 1988 schism, known as the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX). They’re filled with devotion to the Blessed Mother, extremely conservative with regard to most moral issues afflicting the Western world today, and quite reverent before the Blessed Sacrament during their old Latin liturgies. In short, on the surface, adherents to Archbishop Lefebvre’s schism appear to be devout Catholics. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

They're filled with devotion to the Blessed Mother, extremely conservative with regard to most moral issues afflicting the Western world today, and quite reverent before the Blessed Sacrament during their old Latin liturgies. In short, on the surface, adherents to Archbishop Lefebvre's schism appear to be devout Catholics It's easy to sympathize with these folks since most of them have joined the SSPX after being scandalized by contemporary abuses in doctrine and liturgy in some of our Catholic churches in North America. In fact, it was precisely because of such sympathies, as well as the beauty of the Tridentine Mass, that I found myself frequenting SSPX chapels about eight years ago. Like most SSPX adherents, at the time I thought that my separation from Rome was merely temporary.

I failed to realize, however, that at the root of every schism, as the present Code of Canon Law explains, "is the withdrawal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or from communion with the members of the Church subject to him" (Can. 751). Such ruptures from communion with the Church, the Catechism of the Catholic Church points out, "wound the unity of Christ's Body" (CCC 817). For that reason, at the heart of my journey back to full communion with Rome lay many questions about the unity of the Church as an institution founded by Christ.

What follows is a practical reflection on questions concerning Catholic Tradition that troubled my conscience during my sojourn in the SSPX schism. The answers to these questions eventually led me to conclude that Sacred Tradition can only be fully actualized in communion with Rome. My conclusions draw upon eight years of personal experience within the Traditionalist Movement — the last five after being reconciled to Rome. In addition, during the last two years I've pursued a licentiate in canon law from the Church, studies that have culminated in the publication of a major research paper entitled "A Canonical History of Archbishop Lefebvre's Schism." Here's a brief account of what I learned that led to my reconciliation with Rome.

Who was Archbishop Lefebvre?

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was ordained a Spiritan Missionary and later became the first Archbishop of Dakar, Africa. In this capacity he founded many missionary dioceses in Africa, and in fact under Pope Pius XII he was appointed the papal legate to French-speaking Africa.

Before retiring in Rome just after the Second Vatican Council, he also served as Superior General of Spiritan Missionaries.

Certain problems, however, began to arise in the French seminaries during this time, and many young seminarians became disenchanted by the confusion that had arisen within their program of formation. Thus they approached Archbishop Lefebvre in 1970 and coaxed him out of retirement in Rome. Concerned with the lack of discipline that had overtaken many French seminaries and the many doctrinal weaknesses in the formation program of seminarians, in 1969 Lefebvre founded a House of Studies, which soon evolved into both a seminary and his Priestly Society of St. Pius X (SSPX).

Both these institutions received canonical approval on an experimental basis near Econe, Switzerland. However, Lefebvre's continued use of the Tridentine Mass eventually became an issue with the Vatican. By 1974 the controversy had become so heated that Lefebvre made a famous declaration within Traditionalist circles calling into question the validity and orthodoxy of the Second Vatican Council.

Finding this declaration problematical, Pope Paul VI canonically suppressed the SSPX and its seminary in 1975. Yet Lefebvre ignored the canonical suppression and began illicitly ordaining his seminarians to holy orders, an action which led to the suspension of his faculties later on in the same year. Over the next thirteen years, Lefebvre continued to operate illicitly and expand the SSPX, while negotiations continued on and off again with Rome.

Relations between Rome and the SSPX remained rather static until May 5, 1988. On this day, agreement was finally reached between the SSPX and Rome, reconciling the SSPX to the Church. The protocol agreement was signed by both Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and Archbishop Lefebvre. Neverthless, a few days afterwards, Archbishop Lefebvre retracted his signature and announced his intention to consecrate bishops without Rome's permission.

On June 30, 1988, Archbishop Lefebvre proceeded with this intention in violation of canon law, incurring an automatic excommunication under the law. The following day, Cardinal Bernadin Gantin of the Congregation of Bishops declared Lefebvre's excommunication. In a papal motu proprio on July 2, 1988, the Holy Father John Paul II also confirmed Lefebvre's excommunication for schism and for having consecrated bishops despite the Holy See's warnings not to do so.

Sadly, Lefebvre passed away in Econe in March of 1991, without having formally reconciled with the Church. Today, the SSPX includes approximately four hundred priests in over twenty-seven countries representing all five continents. Most estimates place the number of adherents to Archbishop Lefebvre's schism at the one million mark.

Pope St. Pius V and Quo Primum Tempore

The first argument I ever encountered by an SSPX apologist, in fact the very argument that led me into their schism, was a citation of Pope St. Pius V's sixteenth-century papal bull Quo Primum Tempore. In a nutshell, the SSPX proponent claimed that St. Pius V promulgated the Tridentine Mass in perpetuity, meaning for all time. The SSPX claimed — and I found the claim convincing at the time — that every priest has the right to use the Roman Missal codified by St. Pius V in Quo Primum Tempore, and that this right cannot be taken away from him.

As I later discovered, however, the problem with the Quo Primum Tempore argument is a failure to take into account canonical Tradition. First, this argument does not distinguish between the doctrine and the discipline of the Catholic Church. Yet that distinction is critical.

Briefly put, a dogma is a doctrine the Church declares with certitude to be infallible. Take, for example, the dogma of the Blessed Mother's assumption into heaven. Pope Pius XII didn't suddenly declare it as a new truth in 1950 that Mary was assumed into heaven; this truth, after all, had come into existence nearly two millennia before when Mary was assumed. Rather, the pope declared this dogma because the Church had come to know for certain Mary that was assumed into heaven.

At the root of every schism, as the present Code of Canon Law explains, "is the withdrawal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or from communion with the members of the Church subject to him" (Can. 751). Such ruptures from communion with the Church, the Catechism of the Catholic Church points out, "wound the unity of Christ's Body."

At that point, our Lady's assumption was thus no longer a matter of theological speculation for Catholics. Once declared, a dogma must be believed by the Catholic faithful, and cannot be reneged upon — although the Church may always clarify her understanding of a dogma.

A mere discipline of the Faith, on the other hand, is a law, a custom or practice originating from the Church as a means of safeguarding the good order of the Church. To establish ecclesiastical discipline, the Church must ask herself: What is the most practical way of protecting the doctrine of the Church here and now?

Consequently, discipline is subject to change depending upon the present needs of the Church. Furthermore, mere disciplines of the Faith need not be applied in the same manner throughout the entire Church, and they may always be dispensed from, since the pastoral needs of one particular grouping of the faithful may differ from the pastoral needs of another. For example, the discipline of celibacy is imposed upon Catholic priests in the Latin Church, whereas this discipline is optional for Catholic priests in the Eastern Catholic churches.

Through this insight I first came to see the weakness of the SSPX's claims. If Quo Primum Tempore had indeed been promulgated as a dogmatic declaration, then the SSPX would be correct in stating that every priest and bishop has a right in perpetuity to use the Tridentine Missal codified by St. Pius V. Nevertheless, within the very text of Quo Primum Tempore stood a clause by St. Pius V granting an exception to the declaration: All priests and bishops who said Mass using liturgical missals more than two hundred years old were not obliged to use this codified version of the Roman Missal. So even from the beginning of its promulgation, Quo Primum Tempore never applied to every Catholic priest.

From this fact alone I was able to draw the conclusion that Quo Primum Tempore was merely disciplinary rather than dogmatic in nature. For a dogmatic definition, by its very nature, binds the entire Church, while Quo Primum Tempore contains exceptions among the Catholic faithful in its application. Thus I was forced to conclude that the document could be legally changed or revoked by a future Roman Pontiff such as Pope Paul VI.

Yet even if this were not the case, and future Roman Pontiffs were forbidden from reforming the Missal codified by St. Pius V, I couldn't deny that this papal bull merely granted the right to celebrate Mass according to the Tridentine Missal. Quo Primum Tempore did not extend the right to bishops — upon their own authority and against the expressed wishes of the Roman Pontiff — to ordain priests and consecrate bishops as Archbishop Lefebvre had done. In other words, using a certain liturgical Missal to offer the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is not the same action as consecrating bishops without permission of the Roman Pontiff; even if one consecrates bishops in order to provide a source of ordination for priests who will say the Tridentine liturgy.

A state of necessity?

The second point raised by the SSPX in defense of their schism that initially convinced me of their position was based upon canons 1323:4° and 1324 §1:5° of the present Code of Canon Law — the canons pertaining to state of necessity. According to these canons, in an emergency situation, certain laws of the Church that normally apply cease to do so. Under such conditions, a penalty that can be attached to the transgression of the law will either be lessened or cease to apply completely.

For example, normally a priest must be in good standing with the Church and have permission from his bishop before hearing confessions. However, if an excommunicated priest came across a car accident on the side of the road, and found a seriously injured Catholic party, the Catholic Church would automatically provide the excommunicated priest with the power of hearing the injured person's confession, as long as a serious danger of death existed. In other words, the Church does not punish, because of the crime of a priest, an injured person in desperate need of absolution; for it's more important that the Church absolve the penitent's sin in danger of death than it is to enforce the priest's punishment. Therefore, under the state of necessity canons mentioned above, the Church allows exceptions to many of her laws in certain unforeseen circumstances.

Archbishop Lefebvre insisted that his irregular consecration of bishops without Rome's permission was carried out in a state of necessity. However, the Holy See foresaw the situation in which the archbishop found himself before he consecrated the bishops, yet still denied him permission to proceed with such an action. As Cardinal Gantin, on behalf of the Holy See, wrote in a letter to Lefebvre dated June 17, 1988: "Since . . . you stated that you intended to ordain four priests to the episcopate without having obtained the mandate of the Supreme Pontiff as required by canon 1013 of the Code of Canon Law, I myself convey to you this public canonical warning, confirming that if you should carry out your intention as stated above, you yourself and also the bishops ordained by you shall incur ipso facto [by that very fact] excommunication latae sententiae [imposed automatically] reserved to the Apostolic See in accordance with canon 1382."

A mere discipline of the Faith, is a law, a custom or practice originating from the Church as a means of safeguarding the good order of the Church. To establish ecclesiastical discipline, the Church must ask herself: What is the most practical way of protecting the doctrine of the Church here and now?

In essence, the Holy See did not agree with Lefebvre's analysis of the situation in the Catholic Church, namely that a sufficient emergency existed to warrant the consecration of bishops without Rome's approval. This is an important point in resolving the dispute between Archbishop Lefebvre and Pope John Paul II, for where there exists a difference in interpreting the application of canon law, canon 16 states clearly: "Laws are authentically interpreted by the legislator and by that person to whom the legislator entrusts the power of authentic interpretation."

In Lefebvre's situation, he knew in advance that his interpretation of canon law in this case was not acceptable to the Roman Pontiff, who is the highest legislator. So even though Lefebvre disagreed with the Roman Pontiff's interpretation of canon law, it nevertheless remained up to Pope John Paul II to interpret that law authoritatively. Therefore, because the idea of a state of necessity in Lefebvre's circumstances was rejected by Pope John Paul II, I came to realize that I could not legitimately invoke the state of necessity canons in defense of Lefebvre's consecration of bishops without Rome's permission.

The novus ordo missae: Intrinsically evil?

A common argument now put forward by the SSPX is that the revised liturgy of Pope Paul VI is intrinsically evil, or at the least poses a proximate danger to the Catholic faith. This would mean that the post-Vatican II liturgy is in and of itself contrary to the law of God. How individual Lefebvrites approach this issue will often vary, but they typically insist that the new Mass contains heresy, blasphemy or ambiguity. In resolving this question, I came to the personal conclusion that Christ has a sense of humor, since the same text from Catholic Tradition the SSPX quotes in defense of this claim is the very text that refutes it.

A preliminary observation is in order. The Mass has not changed since Christ instituted this sacrament on the night before His crucifixion. In essence, there is neither an "old" Mass nor a "new" Mass, but only the Mass. In fact what changed after the Second Vatican Council was not the Mass, but the liturgy.

This means that while the "accidents" (to use a classical theological term) differ somewhat between the pre-Vatican II liturgy and the reformed liturgy of Pope Paul VI, their essence remains the same: the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ transubstantiated into the Eucharist. This central mystery of the Mass takes place regardless of whether the priest celebrates according to the liturgical books in use before the Second Vatican Council or according to the liturgical books revised by Pope Paul VI. In fact, both sets of liturgical books are usages of the same Roman liturgical rite.

When I was associated with the SSPX, to defend the claim that the reformed liturgy is intrinsically evil I used to quote the seventh canon on the Sacrifice of the Mass from the Council of Trent. This canon states: "If anyone says that the ceremonies, vestments and outward signs which the Catholic Church makes use of in the celebration of Masses are incentives to impiety, rather than offices of piety; let him be anathema."

Let's look at this more closely. Since the definition of intrinsic evil is "something which in and of itself is evil," we see from the Council of Trent that an approved liturgy of the Church cannot be such. For something that is intrinsically evil is naturally an incentive to impiety, while the Council of Trent declares dogmatically that the approved liturgical ceremonies of the Catholic Church cannot be incentives to impiety.

But wait a second: Wasn't the revised liturgy of Pope Paul VI an approved liturgy of the Church? Of course! So according to the Tradition of the Church as dogmatically defined at the Ecumenical Council of Trent, I could only conclude that the reformed liturgy of Pope Paul VI cannot be an incentive to impiety. It necessarily follows, then, that neither could it be intrinsically evil. Thus in my defense of the schismatic position I stood refuted by the very Catholic Tradition from the Council of Trent that I was seeking to preserve through adherence to the SSPX schism.

Illicit consecration of bishops: An act of schism?

One argument commonly presented within SSPX circles is that the act of consecrating bishops without papal permission is an act of disobedience, but not an act of schism. Although I didn't give much thought to this argument, either before or after my involvement in the SSPX, nevertheless it should be addressed because it's frequently made among schismatic ranks. The SSPX folks generally claim that they have not withdrawn subjection to the Roman Pontiff. Rather, they refuse obedience in some matters.

We should reiterate here that canon 752 defines schism as "the withdrawal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or from communion with the members of the Church subject to him." Notice that the canon does not distinguish between degrees of withdrawal of submission to the Roman Pontiff. In other words, a person need not completely withdraw submission to the Roman Pontiff to enter into a state of schism. Rather, partial withdrawal of obedience in certain matters — and consecrating bishops without papal mandate is a serious matter — remains an act through which a person withdraws submission to the Roman Pontiff. In short, the Holy Father told Archbishop Lefebvre not to consecrate bishops without Rome's permission, and Archbishop Lefebvre refused to submit.

I never paid this argument much attention during my time in the SSPX chapels. But afterward I realized that the SSPX claim — that they haven't withdrawn submission to the Roman Pontiff, but rather have merely temporarily suspended their obedience to him in certain matters — could not be sustained by Catholic Tradition. For such an act of disobedience in a serious matter remains at least a temporary withdrawal of submission to the Roman Pontiff. Therefore, with sufficient moral certitude I could only conclude that Archbishop Lefebvre's act of consecrating bishops against Pope John Paul II's stated wishes was an act of schism according to canon law.

A person need not completely withdraw submission to the Roman Pontiff to enter into a state of schism. Rather, partial withdrawal of obedience in certain matters — and consecrating bishops without papal mandate is a serious matter — remains an act through which a person withdraws submission to the Roman Pontiff. In short, the Holy Father told Archbishop Lefebvre not to consecrate bishops without Rome's permission, and Archbishop Lefebvre refused to submit.

Pope Liberius

Probably the most common claim I came across within SSPX circles was the claim that Pope Liberius (reigned A.D. 352-366) was a heretic, sympathetic to Arianism, who falsely excommunicated St. Athanasius. For this reason, the SSPX claims, Pope Liberius became the first pope in the history of the Church not be recognized as a saint. Of course, by analogy the SSPX considers Archbishop Lefebvre a modern St. Athanasius and Pope John Paul II a modern Pope Liberius.

Their argument is that if it happened once, it can happen again. And yet, as our Lord showed me in a rather amusing fashion, such claims have little basis in Catholic Tradition.

Convinced the SSPX claims pertaining to this situation were true, I was reading my copy of Henri Denzinger's Sources of Catholic Dogma one day when I noticed that Denzinger listed Pope Liberius as "St. Liberius." To say I was surprised would be an understatement — ironically enough, the SSPX had sold me the particular edition of Denzinger I was reading, since they held all subsequent editions as suspect. Yet this portion of Denzinger clearly did not accord with what was being preached from our local SSPX pulpit. So I simply dismissed this listing as a probable typesetting error and continued reading.

A mere ten pages later, I came across a papal epistle authored by Pope St. Anastasius subtitled "The Orthodoxy of Pope Liberius." In it, Pope St. Anastasius clearly states: "The heretical African faction [of the Arian heresy] was not able by any deception to introduce its baseness because, as we believe, our God provided that that holy and untarnished faith be not contaminated through any vicious blasphemy of slanderous men — that faith which had been discussed and defended at the meeting of the synod of Nicea by the holy men and bishops now placed in the resting place of the saints" (see art. 93 of the thirtieth edition).

So far, so good; God had clearly preserved the Church from Arianism through the actions and prayer of holy men. But who were these holy men, and how does this relate to Pope Liberius? I wondered. To my surprise, Pope St. Anastasius answered the question in the subsequent paragraph this way: "For this faith those who were then esteemed as holy bishops gladly endured exile, that is . . . Liberius, bishop of the Roman Church."

I was stunned by this pope's answer, for clearly there was a contradiction here: Was I to believe Archbishop Lefebvre and his followers as the authentic teaching from Catholic Tradition? Or was I to believe the teaching of Anastasius in his papal epistle Dat mihi plurimum — the claim of one who was a saint, a pope, and a writer much closer to the time the Arian heresy took place? When my local SSPX priest failed to provide an adequate solution for this quandary, I could only accept the claim of Pope St. Anastasius as the authentic voice of Catholic Tradition.

Traditional Rome vs. modernist Rome

The question of Rome eventually weighed in on my conscience, as it should for anyone who leaves the Church. Given what Catholic Tradition consistently teaches concerning faithfulness to Rome, how could I justify my separation from the Roman Pontiff? In fact, even five years after reconciling myself to Rome, the question of communion with Rome and the local Bishop remains the catalyst for much of my theological and canonical exploration.

While I was with the SSPX, however, I accepted their solution to this problem. The SSPX claimed that the questionable behavior of the post-Vatican II popes had divided the faithful into two camps. One camp, the institutional Church, was faithful to contemporary Rome, which the SSPX claims has been infiltrated by modernists and liberals. In the other camp rests the SSPX, who naturally are faithful to Traditional Rome.

Nevertheless, I was unable to deceive my conscience. So I kept wondering whether Catholic Tradition actually sustained the argument that a Catholic could be faithful to Traditional Rome, without remaining faithful to temporal Rome.

"Our hearts are restless, O Lord, until they rest in You," remarks St. Augustine at the opening of his Confessions. My heart was spiritually restless because it didn't rest in full communion with Christ's Mystical Body, the Church. Yet Christ also promises us in the Gospels that if we seek the truth, we will find it (see Matt. 7:7).

In my case, the truth lay in the back room of my parents' basement. There I found an abandoned box full of old papal encyclicals left over from my father's college days. At the bottom of this box was Pope Pius XII's masterful papal encyclical Mystici Corporis.

Curious as to the content, I immediately opened this work to the following passage: "We think, how grievously they err who arbitrarily claim that the Church is something hidden and invisible, as they also do who look upon her as a mere human institution possessing a certain disciplinary code and external ritual, but lacking power to communicate supernatural life" (par. 64). This theological discovery from Catholic Tradition as expressed by the pre-Vatican II popes astounded me even more than my previous St. Anastasius discovery in Denzinger.

Here, from the Church's Tradition, was the teaching that we cannot separate the Church into a mere spiritual communion as opposed to a mere human institution. In short, the Rome of Tradition and the Rome of Today were the same Rome. Everything suddenly made sense to me about Catholic ecclesiology. Just as at the Incarnation Christ was fully human and fully divine, without sacrificing either nature, so too must the Church, as Christ's Mystical Body, be a perfect union of the visible and the invisible.

I remembered that St. Paul had asked somewhere in his epistles the question "Is Christ divided?" (see 1 Cor. 1:13). Of course, the answer was no. Therefore, why in the name of Catholic Tradition was I dividing Christ's Mystical Body into a spiritual communion and a human communion?

Furthermore, in frequenting the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass outside the visible communion of the Church, why was I dividing Christ's Sacramental Body (Body, Soul and Divinity) in the Eucharist from Christ's Mystical Body, the Church? For didn't expressions such as "Body of Christ" and "Communion" carry this double meaning: the first sacramental, meaning the sacrament of the Holy Eucharist, and the second ecclesiological, meaning the sacred unity of the Church?

Captivated by these questions forming in my conscience, I kept reading Mystici Corporis and came across the following section:

But we must not think that He rules only in a hidden or extraordinary manner. On the contrary, our Redeemer also governs His Mystical Body in a visible and normal way through His Vicar on earth. . . . Since He was all-wise He could not leave the body of the Church He had founded as a human society without a visible head. . . . That Christ and His Vicar constitute one only Head is the solemn teaching of Our predecessor of immortal memory Boniface VIII in the Apostolic Letter Unam Sanctam; and his successors have never ceased to repeat the same (par. 40).

Of course, I said to myself; the Roman Pontiff and Jesus Christ form but one head of the Catholic Church. The word "tradition," which I recalled from so many homilies in SSPX chapels, comes from the Latin verb tradere, which means "to hand down." Ultimately, I reasoned, there must be a source from which Tradition was first passed down, and that source is Jesus Christ. In the end I realized that Tradition is a Person — the Second Person of the Holy Trinity who incarnated Himself in the womb of an immaculately conceived Virgin.

As Christ and His vicar constitute but one Head of the Church, then the voice of Tradition must speak through St. Peter and his lawful successors in the Roman Primacy. Therefore, I had to make a choice to follow Catholic Tradition and embrace the Rock upon whom Christ founded His Mystical Body here and now.

Like the prodigal son, I realized my error in following Archbishop Lefebvre into schism, and I was now making my way home to Holy Mother Church. Through his generous papal indult in Ecclesia Dei Adflicta, John Paul II was exactly like the father in Christ's parable: He was living up to his title "Pope," which means "Father," by welcoming into the Church his Traditionalist sons and daughters who in 1988 had followed Archbishop Lefebvre out of the vineyard of authentic Catholic Tradition.

WAS ARCHBISHOP LEFEBVRE EXCOMMUNICATED? The last argument I consistently came across within SSPX circles is more of a technical one that never affected my decision to reconcile with the Church. In fact, I myself never thought about researching an answer to this question, but rather stumbled across the answer accidentally while researching my thesis. Even so, the argument is made often enough to deserve mention. It's the claim that the Church never actually excommunicated Archbishop Lefebvre, but rather informed him that he was automatically excommunicated by virtue of canon law itself.

The Church can excommunicate an individual in two ways. The first is by means of latae sententiae excommunication. This means that the offender is automatically excommunicated by virtue of the law itself, and thus the sentence need not be imposed by a judge within the Church. However, in order for such an excommunication to be enforced by canon law, a legitimate Church authority must still declare that the excommunication has taken place.

The second method of imposing an excommunication is by ferendae sententiae. This refers to the decision of a judge in a Church tribunal.

Archbishop Lefebvre was excommunicated by virtue of the law, and not by any penalty imposed by a judge. However, Lefebvre's apologists fail to note in making this argument that his excommunication was subsequently declared by the Church. Cardinal Gantin, in a decree from the Congregation for Bishops dated July 1, 1988, declared on behalf of the Church the excommunication of Archbishop Lefebvre as follows:

Monsignor Marcel Lefebvre, Archbishop-Bishop Emeritus of Tulle, notwithstanding the formal canonical warning of 17 June last and the repeated appeals to desist from his intention, has performed a schismatic act by the episcopal consecration of four priests, without pontifical mandate and contrary to the will of the Supreme Pontiff, and has therefore incurred the penalty envisaged by Canon 1364, paragraph 1, and canon 1382 of the Code of Canon Law. . . . Having taken account of all the juridical effects, I declare that the above-mentioned Archbishop Lefebvre, and Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson and Alfonso de Galarreta have incurred ipso facto excommunication latae sententiae reserved to the Apostolic See.

Without getting into all the canonical particulars, we can nevertheless clearly establish in this statement that the Church has excommunicated Archbishop Lefebvre. Rome has clearly spoken as the voice of Catholic Tradition, and thus the case is now closed.

The substance of Catholic Tradition

In my journey back to the Church, through the grace of God I've been led from the mere "accidents" of Catholic Tradition to the substance of Catholic Tradition. Although I enjoy the reformed liturgy of Pope Paul VI, which I now recognize as the normative liturgy of the Latin Church, I'm as firmly committed to preservation of the 1962 liturgical missal today as I was during my time in the Lefebvre movement. However, I realize that our liturgical tradition as Catholics cannot be preserved apart from John Paul II and all the other legitimate successors of St. Peter. For his voice is the voice of Catholic Tradition in the Church today — a Tradition that has been passed down to him by Christ and the Apostles.

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT

Vere, JCL/M, Pete "My Journey out of the Lefebvre Schism: All Tradition Leads to Rome." Envoy Magazine vol. 4.6 (March, 2001).

Reprinted with permission of Envoy magazine.
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28 comments:

  1. We'd appreciate a live link to the Envoy page as part of this post. Thanks and God bless you. http://www.envoymagazine.com

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  2. Hello Patrick. Wow, it's a great honor to be visited by a great Catholic Apologist whom we all admire and loved.

    Thank you for visiting this Blog Bro. Pat. Thank you for defending the Catholic Faith way back when there were only you, Karl Keating and Fr. Pacwa.

    GOD BLESS YOU ALWAYS!

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  3. Father Abe,

    me plano po ako bibli ng hairshirt at ng cilice...
    nasaan po sa bibliya ang self-mortification?

    thank you po...

    totus tuus,
    nico lopez

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  4. Bro. Nico,

    NAKU, IKAW PALA YAN. HE, HE, HE...

    Madami. Kaso hindi ko na sasabihin kasi alam mo na ang sagot e. He, he, he...

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  5. The Pope says that the SSPX is NOT in schism (and never has been). The Pope refers to the situation with the SSPX as an INTERNAL problem in the Church. A schism creates a separate church, by definition. Consecrating bishops without Papal Mandate creates a schism ONLY when the intention is to set up a parallel church, and Archbishop Lefebvre was very clear that that was NOT his intention.

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  6. The Pope and the officials of the Catholic Church are being diplomatic because they want th SSPX to return to the fold. But, it is obvious that the group is de jure et de facto OUTSIDE THE AUTHORITY OF THE LOCAL BISHOPS AND OUTSIDE THE AUTHORITY OF THE HOLY FATHER.

    They are not obeying the Code of Canon Law. All this claim of being a part of the Catholic Church is a farce. That is the reason why they are in Dialogue with the Holy See. They have become like the Orthodox. They have a limited acceptance of the authority of the Church and the Councils and they have their own head which is not subordinate to the Pope.

    Actually, the Pope is simply hoping that they will return to the fold. But Fellay is more like a patriarch to them but they have no Pope strictly speaking. Despite the gobbledygook of terminologies the fact is: THEY ARE NOT IN... YET.

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  7. So, Fr. Abe, you believe that the Pope is knowingly and willingly participating in a "farce" and lying when he refers to the SSPX as an "internal" problem?! The Pope is an honest man, and he would not say what he does not believe just to help dialog and negotiations.

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  8. The Pope is an honest man but are the SSPX people honest? The Pope wants them in but in reality, in fact ARE THEY IN or OUT?

    The fact that the Pope is talking to them means that they are not within his power and authority. He cannot command them with the full authority and absolute jurisdiction he has as a Vicar of Christ.

    THE BALL IS NOT ON THE POPE BUT ON THE SSPX.

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  9. HERE IS A MORE SPECIFIC STATEMENT FROM AN HONEST MAN... HIS HOLINESS POPE BENEDICT XVI:

    "Precisely in fulfillment of this service to unity, which qualifies my ministry as Successor to Peter in a specific way, I decided several days ago to grant the remission of the excommunication to which the four Bishops, ordained in 1988 by Archbishop Lefebvre without a Papal mandate, were subject. I fulfilled this act... of paternal compassion because these Bishops repeatedly manifested their active suffering for the situation in which they had found themselves.

    I HOPE THAT THIS GESTURE OF MINE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY AN EARNEST COMMITMENT ON THEIR BEHALF TO COMPLETE THE NECESSARY FURTHER STEPS TO ACHIEVE FULL COMMUNION WITH THE CHURCH, THUS WITNESSING TRUE FIDELITY TO, AND TRUE RECOGNITION OF, THE MAGESTERIUM AND THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE AND THE SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL."

    -Benedict XVI, January 28, 2009-

    See, the Pope himself honestly stated that he is LONGING FOR THEM TO RETURN TO FULL COMMUNION. It means they are NOT in FULL COMMUNION.

    That is exactly the words of our Popes in their dialogue with Orthodox, Anglicans and Protestants... RETURN TO FULL COMMUNION.

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  10. to anonymous... if you are an affiliate of SSPX... how would you respond to Benedict XVI call to accept the teaching authority of Vatican II? If you are not, do you know any person who are affiliate with sspx? If so please extend the Pope's invitation. I will be waiting for your honest answer

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  11. Father Abe,
    Pete Vere's article that you are posting on your blog is titled "My Journey out of the Lefebvre Schism". Rome has said clearly that the SSPX is not in schism. You are equating "not in full communion" and "being in schism", and that is logical. You are right to do so. When Rome says that the Sspx is not in schism and yet not in full communion, it makes everyone very confused because it does not make sense. Never in the history of the church has any group been referred to as being "partially in communion". The term does not make any more sense than saying someone is "partially" in the state of grace! Either you are or you are not in the state of grace, right? Either you are a Catholic or you are not! Yet Rome says both about the Sspx! It seems to me that Rome is having trouble figuring this all out! Out of justice and by canon law they cannot say that what +Marcel Lefebvre did was a true schism... yet they will not follow that acknowledgement to the only logical conclusion.
    Ednard Kim,
    Vatican II was a astral and not a doctrinal coucil.

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  12. Bro. Ednard,

    I stated somewhere that the Pope and the Holy See consider the SSPX as an internal problem or that they are in or they are not in Schism for dialogue purpose. The Pope and the Cardinals are being diplomatic.

    However, de jure et de facto [in law and in fact] they are not in Communion with us. First, they do not follow the Canon Law. They have their own. Second, they are not directly and fully in communion with the Pope. The holy father has no universal and absolute authority over them. That authority belongs to Bernard Fellay. So, they are out.

    That is why there is a Dialogue for Full Communion because they are out. If they are in, then only the local Bishop will handle it.

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  13. In my above comment, I had a typo:
    Vatican II was a "pastoral" council.

    Fr. Abe,
    No one, not even the Pope himself, is permitted to tell a lie under the guise of being "diplomatic". If the Pope says the SSPX is an internal problem, then that is what he really thinks. He does not think the SSPX is OUT of the Church like you do. You might want to check with Rome before you make such sweeping pronouncements as if you knew more about the matter than the Pope himself!
    Thank you.

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  14. [In my above comment, I had a typo:
    Vatican II was a "pastoral" council.]

    ALL COUNCILS ARE PASTORAL. THOSE DOGMAS ARE DEFINED AND DOCTRINES CLARIFED FOR PASTORAL REASONS.

    THE VATICAN II IS A PASTORAL COUNCIL BUT IT IS NOT A 'PASTORAL COUNCIL ONLY'. BECAUSE IT ALSO CLARIFIES DOCTRINES. IN FACT, IT GAVE US A DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH [LUMEN GENTIUM] AND ON DIVINE REVELATION [DEI VERBUM].

    [Fr. Abe,
    No one, not even the Pope himself, is permitted to tell a lie under the guise of being "diplomatic".]

    MR. WHOEVER,
    YOU ARE THE ONE SPEAKING OF 'LIE'. I DIDN'T SAY THAT THE POPE TOLD A LIE. THE POPE WAS BEING DIPLOMATIC BUT HE WAS NOT A LIAR. THE LIARS ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE. THE LIAR IS LEFEBVRE WHO AFTER SIGNING THE DOCUMENTS OF VATICAN II WENT ON FRENZY OF ATTACTS AGAINST THE COUNCIL, PAUL VI AND MSGR. BUGNINI. THE POPE AND MSGR. BUGNINI LIKE TRUE GENTLEMEN DIDN'T GO TO HIS LEVEL AND INSTEAD REMAINED SILENT AS LAMBS.

    IT IS THE SSPX LEADERSHIP WHO HAS A DOBLE CARA [DOUBLE FACED] IDENTITY. THEY PRETEND TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE POPE BUT THEIR FOLLOWERS ARE DAY AND NIGHT ATTACKING THE POPES CALLING THEM HERETICS AND REJECTING THE PAULINE MASS.

    POPE BENEDICT WANTS THE SSPX IN AND THAT IS THE DESIRE OF HIS HEART. BUT THE REAL LEADER OF SSPX IS NOT THE POPE BUT BERNARD FELLAY. THE POPE HAS NO LEGAL JURISDICTION IN THAT GROUP.

    SPEAKING OF LIES.

    [If the Pope says the SSPX is an internal problem, then that is what he really thinks.]

    THE POPE SAYS THAT SSPX IS AN INTERNAL PROBLEM BUT HE DIDN'T SAY THAT SSPX IS IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.

    SSPX IS AN INTERNAL PROBLEM. WHAT IS THAT PROBLEM? THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY ARE OUT!!! THEY ARE NOT IN. AND THE POPE EXERTS EFFORTS TO BRING THEM IN... INTO FULL COMMUNION WITH HIM.

    IF TWO BROTHERS ARE IN DISAGREEMENT AND THE OTHER LEFT THE HOUSE THAT IS A FAMILY PROBLEM. THAT IS AN INTERNAL PROBLEM. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT ONE IS IN AND ONE IS OUT. THE SSPX IS OUT.

    SO, IF YOU THINK THAT THAT STATEMENT MEANS SSPX IS PART OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH YOU ARE FREE TO HALLUCINATE. THERE IS FREEDOM OF DELUSION IN THIS WORLD.

    [He does not think the SSPX is OUT of the Church like you do.]

    HE THINKS THAT THE SSPX IS OUT AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY IT IS A PROBLEM IN THE CHURCH. IF THEY ARE NOT IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE POPE THEN THEY ARE OUT. NO AMOUNT OF GOOBLEDYGOOK REASONING CAN CHANGE THE FACT THAT THEY ARE OUT.

    [You might want to check with Rome before you make such sweeping pronouncements as if you knew more about the matter than the Pope himself!]

    I THINK IT IS YOU WHO SHOULD OPEN YOUR EYES TO THE FACT THAT THEY ARE OUT. EVEN IF YOU ASKS THEIR MEMBERS, THEY ARE SO BITTERLY ANTI POPES AND ANTI PAULINE MASS AND ANTI VATICAN II. THEY ARE EXACTLY LIKE THE OLD CATHOLICS WHO REJECTED VATICAN I.

    THE FULL COMMUNION WILL ONLY HAPPEN WHEN THE SSPX SUBMITS ITSELF TOTALLY TO THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE. THEN AND ONLY THEN THEY CAN BE CALLED 'IN'. NOW, THERE IS ONLY DIALOGUE TO REACH SUCH END BUT IT APPEARS THAT THE SSPX IS NOT KEEN IN DOING IT. THEY JUST WANTED THE EXCOMMUNICATIONS BE REMOVED SO THAT THEY CAN FOOL MORE CATHOLICS TO BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE PART OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

    IT IS FOOLISHNESS TO JOIN A SOCIETY FOUNDED BY AN EXCOMMUNICATED FOOL. I DON'T SEE ANY SANCTITY WITH LEFEBVRE INSTEAD MANIFESTATIONS OF INSANITY.

    I WANT TO CALL A SPADE A SPADE, ANYWAY THE SSPX REJECTS ECUMENISM SO THE CATHOLICS SHOULD NOT TREAT THEM WITH THE MEDICINE OF MERCY RATHER THE WAY O

    [Thank you.]

    THANK YOU TOO.

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  15. TO Mr Whoever you are...

    Regardless of its nature, it still has authority but I am not asking what is the nature of Vatican II. LET ME MAKE MY STATEMENT CLEAR:

    POPE BENEDICT XVI HAS CALLED ALL SSPX TO ACCEPT THE TEACHING AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH, THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE AS WELL AS VATICAN II: FOR YOU, IS IT A YES OR A NO?

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  16. >>>Vatican II was a (p)astral and not a doctrinal coucil.

    You are not answering my question mr Anonymous. LET ME REPHRASE MY QUESTION: IF YOU ARE AN SSPX OR AN AFFILIATE OF IT, WHAT IS RESPOND TO THE POPE'S CALL TO ACCEPT THE TEACHING AUTHORITY OF THE POPE AND THE SECOND VATICAN ECUMENICAL COUNCIL?
    I DEMAND THAT YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION IN A YES OR NO BECAUSE THAT IS HOW YOU RESPOND TO AN INVITATION OF THE POPE.

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  17. >>>>>Vatican II was a (p)ast(o)ral and not a doctrinal cou(n)cil.
    Resoponse:
    ●"In view of the pastoral nature of the Council, it avoided any extraordinary statement of dogmas that would be endowed with the note of infallibility, but it still provided its teaching with the authority of the supreme ordinary Magisterium. This ordinary Magisterium, which is so obviously official, has to be accepted with docility, and sincerity by all the faithful, in accordance with the mind of the Council on the nature and aims of the individual documents."
    ~Pope Paul VI, General Audience of 12 January 1966.

    ●"Divine assistance is also given to the successors of the apostles, teaching in communion with the successor of Peter, and, in a particular way, to the bishop of Rome, pastor of the whole Church, when, without arriving at an infallible definition and without pronouncing in a "definitive manner," they propose in the exercise of the ordinary Magisterium a teaching that leads to better understanding of Revelation in matters of faith and morals. To this ordinary teaching the faithful "are to adhere to it with religious assent" which, though distinct from the assent of faith, is nonetheless an extension of it."
    ~Catechism of the Catholic Church, #892

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  18. I agree that Vatican Councils are part of the teaching Magisterium of the Church. The problem is that some of documents in Vatican II say things that are contrary to previous teaching Magisterium. So, what is a person to do safely? If there is a discrepancy, one must choose to follow what the Church has always taught, and what was taught by Popes who are canonized Saints. You can talk all you want about the "hermeneutics of continuity" in Vatican II, but face the facts! Vatican II was undeniably, at least in part, a hermeneutic of rupture. I am not going to reiterate what has already been written endlessly on this subject and which is easily available.

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  19. [I agree that Vatican Councils are part of the teaching Magisterium of the Church.]

    PRAISE THE LORD.

    [The problem is that some of documents in Vatican II say things that are contrary to previous teaching Magisterium.]

    NOT ALL THINGS TAUGHT BY THE CHURCH IS UNCHANGEABLE. ONLY DOGMAS AND SUBSTANCE OF THE FAITH ARE UNCHANGING. PRACTICES DEVELOPS AND ARE BEING CHANGED FROM TIME TO TIME. THE CHURCH IS "ONE AND THE SAME FOR ALL TIME" BUT SHE IS ALSO "SEMPER REFORMANDA" - IN CONSTANT PROCESS OF CHANGE AND DEVELOPMENT. DEFINITELY THE PRACTICES AND LITURGY OF THE 18TH CENTURY ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE PRACTICES AND LITURGY OF THE 1ST CENTURY OF CHRISTIANITY BUT THE DOGMAS ARE THE SAME.

    [So, what is a person to do safely?]

    TO BE IN COMMUNION WITH PETER THE ROCK ON WHICH THE CHURCH IS FOUNDED AND THE ONE WHICH THE GATE OF HELL CAN NEVER OVERCOME.

    [If there is a discrepancy, one must choose to follow what the Church has always taught, and what was taught by Popes who are canonized Saints.]

    THOSE POPES WHO ARE CANONIZED SAINTS ALSO CHANGED SOMETHING FROM THE PREVIOUS POPES WHO WERE ALSO CANONIZED SAINTS AND THE PREVIOUS POPE WHO WAS AN APOSTOLE.

    THERE IS NO DOGMA IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THAT EVERYTHING WILL BE THE SAME FROM POPE PIUS V ONWARD TILL KINGDOM COME.

    [You can talk all you want about the "hermeneutics of continuity" in Vatican II, but face the facts! Vatican II was undeniably, at least in part, a hermeneutic of rupture.]

    THE RUPTURE IS IN YOUR MIIND NOT IN THE DOCUMENTS OF VATICAN II.

    [I am not going to reiterate what has already been written endlessly on this subject and which is easily available.]

    YES, THE ACCUSATIONS OF RAPTURE HAVE BEEN THOROUGHLY REFUTED AS WELL AND WE ARE NOT CONVINCED BY THE LIES OF THE SSPX ULTRA TRADS AND OF SEDEVACANTISTS. NO WAY. YOU CANNOT LURE US TO YOUR POPELESS SOCIETY.

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  20. Fr, why do you hate SSPX so much? what lies did they say?

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  21. THEY ARE LIARS BECAUSE IN THE OFFICIAL STAND THEY CLAIM TO BE CATHOLICS, ASKING THE POPE TO BE MERCIFUL TO THEM AND TO REMOVED THE EXCOMMUNICATIONS OF THEIR BISHOPS YET IN REALITY, DOWN IN THE GRASSROOTS THEIR FOLLOWERS AND SUPPORTERS SUCH AS IN THE INTERNET OR IN PERSON ARE ALWAYS ATTACKING POPE PAUL VI, JOHN XXIII, JOHN PAUL THE GREAT AND BENEDICT XVI.

    I AM TIRED HEARING THEIR ATTACKS AGAINST THE POPE AND THE COUNCIL, THEIR CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT MASONRY IN THE CHURCH WHICH MADE THEM WORST THAN DAN BROWN.

    ENOUGH OF THEIR HYPOCRISY. THE HYPOCRISY THAT THEY HAVE MANIFESTED IN THE FORUMS, INTERNET EXCHANGES AND IN PERSON.

    AS A CATHOLIC APOLOGIST I SAY: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH OF THESE LITURGICAL BASTARDS. IF THEY HATE ECUMENISM THEN, NO ECUMENISM THEN. LET US CALL THEM HERETICS AS THEY PREFER.

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  22. They claimed to be Catholics, so what made their claim false? Can you cite some links or references which states that they are directly attacking the pope? please dont use "sspx followers" as reference because they do not represent the sspx. i want an official sspx statements which says they are attacking the pope.

    some if not all "sspx followers" (i must admint) are misguided. but that doesnt mean that sspx are attacking the pope if these "sspx followers" attacking the pope. These "sspx followers" might have influenced by some sedevacantist websites.

    conspiracies about freemason in the church? i dont think it is theory. it is a fact. The Catholic Church being the bearer of truth is always and in perpetuity the target of the darkside. They cannot destroy the church from outside so their tactic is to destroy the church from within by invasion and inside job. for more information about Masons in the Church, http://catholic.cephasministry.com/masonlst.html

    You Fr Abe, a servant of God, may you see the the real situation of the Church. May you see the devastating crisis in church not only in your area of responsibility but also the rest of the Catholic world, so that you may serve Him better.

    Thank you.

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  23. [They claimed to be Catholics, so what made their claim false?]

    THEY ARE FALSE BECAUSE THEY CLAIMED TO BE CATHOLICS BUT THEY ARE NOT IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE VICAR OF CHRIST. IF THAT IS NOT EVIL FOR YOU IT IS EVIL FOR CATHOLIC DOGMA... PRE-VATICAN II IF YOU WANT TO USE THE TERM.

    [Can you cite some links or references which states that they are directly attacking the pope?]

    I ALREADY STATED THAT I CONSIDER THEM HYPOCRITES BECAUSE THEIR OFFICIAL STAND IS NOT MANIFESTED IN THEIR PERSONAL ACTIVITIES. I'M REFERRING TO ALMOST ALL SSPX SUPPORTERS THAT I PERSONALLY KNOW, HAVE TALKED TO OR HAVE SEEN WITH MY OWN EYES.

    [please dont use "sspx followers" as reference because they do not represent the sspx.]

    WHO REPRESENT THE SSPX? IF THESE 'SSPX FOLLOWERS' ARE ATTACKING OUR CATHOLIC FAITH IN PUBLIC AS WELL AS THE POPE IT IS OUR DUTY TO DEFEND THE CHURCH AND THE POPE AND THE SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL AGAINST THEIR EVIL MALICE.

    [i want an official sspx statements which says they are attacking the pope.]

    YOU CAN DOWNLOAD ALL THE OFFICIAL STATEMENTS OF SSPX FROM THE INTERNET AND SWALLOW ALL OF THEM IF YOU WANT. BUT, DON'T COMPEL ME TO JOIN IN YOUR INFATUATIONS WITH THEM. I'D RATHER VOMIT.

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  24. [some if not all "sspx followers" (i must admint) are misguided.]

    REALLY? THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT. NOW YOU KNOW THAT SIMPLY ATTENDING TLM DOES NOT GIVE IMMUNITY FROM HERESY AND SCHISM AND DISOBEDIENCE TO THE HOLY FATHER.

    IF THEY ARE MISGUIDED FELLAY SHOULD BE EXCOMMUNICATING THEM. BUT, HE IS SILENT. WHY? BECAUSE HE IS ENJOYING WHAT THEY ARE SAYING AGAINST THE POPES, AGAINST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND AGAINST THE BISHOPS.

    [but that doesnt mean that sspx are attacking the pope if these "sspx followers" attacking the pope.]

    IF THERE ARE SSPX FOLLOWERS ATTACKING THE POPE AND TOO MANY OF THEM IT MEANS THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE LEARNING FROM THE SSPX LEADERSHIP.

    AS CATHOLICS WE WILL DEFEND THE POPE WITH OUR LIVES AND WITH ALL OUR STRENGTH. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE ATTACKED TELL THEM TO BEHAVE.

    [These "sspx followers" might have influenced by some sedevacantist websites.]

    THESE SEDEVACANTISTS DEMONS ARE BEGOTTEN BY SSPX. THEY ARE YOUR OFFSHOOTS. THEY ARE BLOOD OF YOUR OWN BLOOD AND FLESH OF YOUR OWN BLESH, DOCTRINALLY, LITURGICALLY AND PASTORALLY. YOU BELONG TO THE SAME DEMON OF DISOBEDIENCE TO THE SEE OF PETER. THEY GOT THEIR DEMONIC SPIRIT FROM THE REBELLION OF LEFEBVRE.

    [conspiracies about freemason in the church? i dont think it is theory. it is a fact.]

    HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE FREE TO HALLUCINATE. IT IS EASY FOR ME TO BELIEVE THAT THE SSPX IS INFILTRATED BY SATANISTS THAN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BY FREEMASONS. SATAN AND LEFEBVRE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS IN COMMON. THEIR NAMES SOUNDS THE SAME: LUCIFER = LEFEBVRE AND BOTH FELL BECAUSE OF DISOBEDIENCE.

    [The Catholic Church being the bearer of truth is always and in perpetuity the target of the darkside.]

    SOME OF THAT DARKSIDE IS THE TREACHERY OF JUDAS, THE HERESY OF ARIUS, THE PROTEST OF LUTHER AND THE DISOBEDIENCE OF LEFEBVRE. THEY ARE ALL POSSESSED BY THE SAME DEMON.

    SSPX IS A DARKSIDE IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.

    [They cannot destroy the church from outside so their tactic is to destroy the church from within by invasion and inside job.]

    IT IS THE SSPX WHO IS DESTROYING THE CHURCH FROM WITHIN. YOU SIMPLY NEED ALIBIS TO TAKE THE BLAME ON YOURSELVES SO YOU CONCOCTED CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

    [for more information about Masons in the Church, http://catholic.cephasministry.com/masonlst.html]

    VERY NICE PRODUCTS OF YOUR IMAGINATION. YOUR WEBSITE IS SIMILAR TO THE BOOK OF DAN BROWN. THE SAME DEMON HAS GIVEN YOU SIMILAR CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

    [You Fr Abe, a servant of God, may you see the the real situation of the Church.]

    YEAH, THE REAL SITUATION OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THAT THE SSPX AND THE SEDEVACANTISTS ARE LIKE WORKS AND CANCER VIRUS INSIDE THE BODY OF CHRIST.

    [May you see the devastating crisis in church not only in your area of responsibility but also the rest of the Catholic world, so that you may serve Him better.]

    WE ARE SERVING THE CHURCH BETTER. THE SSPX ARE USELESS BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING NOTHING BUT ATTACKING THE PAULINE MASS AND TO SCRATCH THEIR BACKS.

    THOSE WHO ARE RUNNING THE SCHOOLS, THE ORPHANAGES, THE LEPROSARIUMS, THE HOME FOR THE AGED AND THOSE GOING TO MISSIONS WITH THE POOREST OF THE POOR ARE LOVING THE MASS OF PAUL VI LIKE MOTHER TERESA AND SISTER LUCIA.

    THE CHURCH IS ALWAYS IN CRISIS. THERE IS NEVER A YEAR THAT THE CHURCH IS NOT IN CRISIS. IN FACT, THE CRISIS DURING THE TIME OF POPE PIUS V WAS MORE TERRIBLE THAN NOW. BUT IN EVERY CRISIS, THE SOLUTION IS FIDELITY TO THE POPE 'NOT TREACHERY' AS LEFEBVRE DID.

    [Thank you.]

    THANKS BUT NO THANKS.

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  25. Fr. Abe, CRS said...

    REALLY? THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT. NOW YOU KNOW THAT SIMPLY ATTENDING TLM DOES NOT GIVE IMMUNITY FROM HERESY AND SCHISM AND DISOBEDIENCE TO THE HOLY FATHER.

    [What Heresies did sspx taught?]

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  26. THAT THE POPES AND AN ECUMENICAL COUNCIL IN UNION WITH THE POPE HAVE COMMITTED ERRORS ON MATTERS OF FAITH AND MORALS.

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  27. Father Abe, I wish you could make a review of this wonderful gem of website to further explicate the issues and questions regarding SSPX.

    http://whyiamacatholic.com/SSPX/main.htm#Priests

    Pax!

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  28. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

    THE SSPX ARE CREATING DEMONIC INFESTATION OF OUR LOCAL CHURCHES IN THE SOUTH OF THE PHILIPPINES. WE HAVE TO EMPOWER OUR PEOPLE AGAINST THEIR LIES AND DECEITS.

    PLEASE HELP ME REFUTE THEIR LIES.

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