Now he is afraid to talk to the media eh. Let him speak to the media not just his love of Nazis but also his condemnations of the Jews and the Moslems and defend his interpretation of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus before the world's attention. Let us see if he has the courage to deny his own positions.
BERLIN — A German court has convicted ultraconservative British Bishop Richard Williamson of incitement for denying the Holocaust in a television interview.
A court in the Bavarian city of Regensburg on Friday found Williamson guilty of incitement for saying in an interview with Swedish television that he did not believe Jews were killed in gas chambers during World War II.
The court ordered Williamson to pay a fine of 10,000 euros ($13,544).
The Roman Catholic bishop was barred by his order from attending Friday's proceedings. The ultraconservative Society of St. Pius X also forbade him from making statements to the media.
The court had issued Williamson a fine of 12,000 euros (about $16,200) for incitement in connection with his statements last year, but the bishop refused to accept the punishment, forcing his case to be tried publicly.
Shown on Internet
Williamson's lawyer, Matthias Lossmann, told the German news agency DAPD his client had expressly requested that the interview, given to Swedish television in November 2008, not be shown in Germany. But it was broadcast over the Internet and cited in German media.
Denying the Holocaust is a criminal offense in Germany.
The interview was conducted near Regensburg and was granted shortly before Williamson's excommunication was lifted by Pope Benedict XVI, along with that of three other bishops from the anti-modernization movement of the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.
The lifting of Williamson's excommunication sparked outrage among Jewish groups and in Israel. The Vatican's handling of the affair prompted criticism from German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
N.B.: This guy belongs to the SSPX and is not in communion with Pope Benedict XVI. Thus, it is unfair that the Roman Catholic Church is being dragged into this despite the fact that his LOVE OF THE NAZIS is rooted in his being SSPX. Well, as regards the decision of the court my reaction is: "GOOD FOR HIM!"
It is time for the people to see the hypocrisy of the SSPX.
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EWWW PADRE KADIRI.... ANG LAKI NG MUKHA GUSTO KO TALAGA MASUKA
ReplyDeleteKA-SUSUKA KO LANG. I WANT TO VOMIT AGAIN LOOKING AT HIS PICTURE.
ReplyDeleteHala, mapang husga sa hitsura..
ReplyDeleteI want to print it and his picture would be my target in target shooting. Disgusting! Disgraceful! Abominable! GURANG!!!
ReplyDeleteIt is not actually the face but his ideas that we reject.
ReplyDeleteBut we recognize the face as the mirror of ideas, at least the obvious ones.
ReplyDeleteSince I find the ideas repulsive, then, it includes the face also.
ReplyDeleteSo ang taong pangit ang mukha, bobo? or hindi maayos ang pag iisip?
ReplyDelete1). "LOVE OF THE NAZIS"
ReplyDeleteThis a vile culumny, you'll have to substantiate this. Saying "he denies the holocaust" isn't enough, it's a non sequitur, holding an opinion on a matter of history does not make His Lordship a lover of Nazism or Nazis.
What's more, his opinions are of a historical matter, not a matter of Faith, therefore his opinions are in no way heretical or stop him from being a Catholic in good standing.
2). The excommunications (whether one believes they were valid or not) were lifted by the Holy See in January 2009, therefore, by all accounts, His Lordship is a member of the Catholic Church, even if his ministry is not current viewed as licit.
3). How is the Catholic Dogma of 'Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus' connected with this?
4). You'll have to defend your statement that His Lordship's views on history, which he has always been honest about, make the SSPX hypocritical.
5). The comments in this comment box are extremely uncharitable, and most unchristian.
God bless.
1). "LOVE OF THE NAZIS"
ReplyDelete[This a vile culumny, you'll have to substantiate this. Saying "he denies the holocaust" isn't enough,]
IT IS ENOUGH. HE IS NOT A CHILD. YOUR LORD WHO IS NOT MY LORD CLAIMS TO BE A LORD. IF YOUR LORD IS USING HIS HEAD HE KNOWS THAT STATING SUCH A THING IS A MANIFESTATION OF SUPPORT FOR HITLER AND THE NAZIS, AS WELL AS AN INSULT TO THE JEWS.
HE KNOWS THAT HIS STATEMENT HAS HISTORICAL, DIPLOMATIC AND POLITICAL REPERCUSSIONS. YET, HE STILL HAD THE GUTS TO SAY THOSE THINGS. WHY? BECAUSE HE BELIEVES IN WHAT HE HAD STATED. THAT STATEMENT IS NOT JUST AT THE SURFACE, THAT IS FROM DEEP WITHIN.
IF YOUR LORD WHO IS NOT MY LORD USED HIS HEAD AND APPLIED PRINCIPLE OF ECUMENISM HE WOULD NOT HAVE FALLEN INTO SUCH ACT OF STUPIDITY THAT PUT THE ENTIRE CHURCH INTO SCANDAL AND INTERNATIONAL PROTESTS.
YOU SEE, YOU ARE ONLY GOOD IF YOUR LORDSHIPS ARE NOT ON THE SPOTLIGHT. THEY APPEAR TO BE HOLY. BUT PUT THEM INTO MEDIA SPOTLIGHT REGULARLY YOU WILL SEE WHAT WILL COME OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS.
[it's a non sequitur, holding an opinion on a matter of history does not make His Lordship a lover of Nazism or Nazis.]
IF HE IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF NAZISM HE WOULD NOT HAVE STATED THAT. THAT STATEMENT IS A MANIFESTATION OF SUPPORT FOR NAZISM. TELL HIM TO SAY IT AGAIN, LET US SEE THE EFFECT. HE, HE, HE... THAT IS WHY HE WAS CONDEMNED INTERNATIONALLY.
[What's more, his opinions are of a historical matter, not a matter of Faith, therefore his opinions are in no way heretical or stop him from being a Catholic in good standing.]
HE IS NOT IN GOOD STANDING IN CHURCH BECAUSE HE BELONGS TO A GROUP NOT IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE VICAR OF CHRIST. NO CATHOLIC WILL CONSIDER THAT 'IN GOOD STANDING'. HE IS STANDING ON THE SAND AND NOT ON THE ROCK THAT IS PETER [cf. MATTHEW 7:24-27]. BEING OUT OF COMMUNION WITH PETER FOR THE TRUE CATHOLICS IS 'VERY, VERY BAD'.
[2). The excommunications (whether one believes they were valid or not)]
OF COURSE THEY WERE VALID. THE POPE HIMSELF SAYS SO. POPE JOHN PAUL THE GREAT NO LESS. THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY ON EARTH ON MATTERS OF EXCOMMUNICATIONS IS THE POPE NOT YOUR OPINION OR OPINIONS OF OTHERS, SPECIALLY OF THE FEW LIKE THE SSPX.
[were lifted by the Holy See in January 2009,]
IT WAS LIFTED BECAUSE POPE BENEDICT XVI WAS PETITIONED TO REMOVED IT AND THE POPE DID IT AS A GESTURE OF CHARITY. HOWEVER, IT SEEMS THAT YOUR LORDSHIPS ARE NOT SO KEEN TO RETURN TO THE FOLD SO ITS USELESS. WHAT IS OUT IS OUT BY FACT AND BY LAW, THE SSPX IS OUT OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH REGARDLESS OF THE NAME CATHOLIC THEY ARE ATTACHING TO THEMSELVES.
THEY IS A GOOD REASON THEY ARE USING THE TERM CATHOLIC TO ATTRACT MORE FOLLOWERS NOT TO BE UNITED WITH PETER.
[therefore, by all accounts, His Lordship is a member of the Catholic Church, even if his ministry is not current viewed as licit.]
HA, HA, HA... ILLICIT MEANS HE IS ILLEGAL. HIS ACTIONS, HIS MINISTRY AND HIS LITURGY ARE ILLEGAL. WHY? BECAUSE THEY ARE ACTS OF DISOBEDIENCE... THE SIN OF LUCIFER AND OF ADAM AND EVE.
[3). How is the Catholic Dogma of 'Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus' connected with this?]
ReplyDeleteIN ALMOST ALL SSPX FOLLOWERS I'VE MET THEY ARE FOND OF CLAIMING THAT THE VATICAN II IS WRONG ABOUT EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS. IF THAT IS THE CASE, ALL THOSE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH WILL NOT BE SAVED. SINCE LEFEBVRE DIED OUTSIDE THE CHURCH FOR BEING EXCOMMUNICATED THEN HE IS NOT SAVED BY SSPX STANDARD.
[4). You'll have to defend your statement that His Lordship's views on history, which he has always been honest about, make the SSPX hypocritical.]
I DON'T HAVE TO DEFEND IT. IT IS YOUR LORD WHO HAS TO DEFEND HIS ABOMINABLE STATEMENTS AGAINST HUMANITY.
HONEST? YOUR LORD HONEST? THEN, WHY DID HE APOLOGIZED AND CLARIFIED HIS STATEMENT? WHY DID FELLAY ISSUED CLARIFICATION AND ORDERED HIM TO SHUT UP? BECAUSE THEY KNEW, HE KNEW THAT HE STATED SOMETHING VERY WRONG AND WITH TERRIBLE REPERCUSSIONS. THE BULK OF THE BLAME FELL ON POPE BENEDICT XVI BECAUSE HE REMOVED THE EXCOM ON SUCH A DESPICABLE LORD... DARK LORD.
[5). The comments in this comment box are extremely uncharitable, and most unchristian.]
WE LEARN OUR LESSONS. FOR MANY YEARS THE SSPX MADE A TURKEY SHOOT ON POPE PAUL VI AND ARCH. BUGNINI DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE LATE HOLY FATHER AND THE LATE MONSIGNOR MY LORD ARCHBISHOP BUGNINI. NOW IT IS TIME FOR CATHOLICS TO ANSWER YOUR ATTACKS MEASURE FOR MEASURE.
WE WANT TO EXPRESS TO THE WORLD THAT WE DO NO LONGER TOLERATE YOUR VENOMOUS ATTACKS AND THAT WE SHALL RETURN THE FAVOR. WE ABHOR YOUR CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND WILL DEFEND THE HOLY FATHER WITH ALL OUR MIGHT.
[God bless.]
THANK YOU BUT WE DON'T NEED ILLICIT BLESSINGS.
Oh yeah, Father, nung nakita ng kapatid ko ung picture, sinabi nya na mukhang lasenggero 'tong (pekeng) obispo na 'to.... I say he is intoxicated with his lies, deceptions, snaring tactics, and sacrilege....
ReplyDeleteOnly those poisoned by SSPX lies can swallor his foolishness.
ReplyDeleteJust want to share this:
ReplyDeleteHow the SSPX Persecuted Fr. John Rizzo
http://whyiamacatholic.com/SSPX/Rizzo-Story.htm
THANK YOU SO. WHAT A BEAUTIFUL SITE.
ReplyDeleteTHE SSPX ARE REALLY EVIL. THEY HAVE SO MUCH HATE AGAINST EVERYTHING AND THEY INVENT THEORIES JUST TO UNDERMINE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
"IT IS ENOUGH. HE IS NOT A CHILD. YOUR LORD WHO IS NOT MY LORD CLAIMS TO BE A LORD. IF YOUR LORD IS USING HIS HEAD HE KNOWS THAT STATING SUCH A THING IS A MANIFESTATION OF SUPPORT FOR HITLER AND THE NAZIS, AS WELL AS AN INSULT TO THE JEWS."
ReplyDeleteThis is not a substantiation of your statement that his "denial" of the holocaust means he loves the Nazis, this is merely rephrasing the statement.
"IF YOUR LORD WHO IS NOT MY LORD USED HIS HEAD AND APPLIED PRINCIPLE OF ECUMENISM HE WOULD NOT HAVE FALLEN INTO SUCH ACT OF STUPIDITY THAT PUT THE ENTIRE CHURCH INTO SCANDAL AND INTERNATIONAL PROTESTS."
1. "My Lord" and "His Lordship" are the proper addresses of a bishop in England (which is where I happen to live).
2. The "principle of ecumenism" doesn't come in to it, this is not a matter of Faith.
2. The Church was the subject of protests not really because of what His Lordship said, nor anything the His Holiness did, but because anti-catholics will find any thing they can with which to attack the Church. Had they been logical about it, as faithful Catholics should be, they would have seen that the denial or questioning of the truth of an historical event is not a matter of Faith, therefore it cannot be heresy, therefore it cannot be a reason to excommunicate someone and therefore it cannot be a valid reason not to lift the excommunication of someone.
"IF HE IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF NAZISM HE WOULD NOT HAVE STATED THAT. THAT STATEMENT IS A MANIFESTATION OF SUPPORT FOR NAZISM. TELL HIM TO SAY IT AGAIN, LET US SEE THE EFFECT. HE, HE, HE... THAT IS WHY HE WAS CONDEMNED INTERNATIONALLY."
1. Again, this is simply restating the very statement in question. You clearly can't defend the assertion that questioning the holocaust neccessarily implies support for Nazism because it's not true. Nenver will you find a statement from His Lordship Bishop Williamson supporting, in any way, the ideology of Adolf Hitler or the Nazis.
2. He would've also been condemned internationally had he denied any other modern secular 'dogma' such as Climate Change.
"HE IS NOT IN GOOD STANDING IN CHURCH BECAUSE HE BELONGS TO A GROUP NOT IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE VICAR OF CHRIST. NO CATHOLIC WILL CONSIDER THAT 'IN GOOD STANDING'. HE IS STANDING ON THE SAND AND NOT ON THE ROCK THAT IS PETER [cf. MATTHEW 7:24-27]. BEING OUT OF COMMUNION WITH PETER FOR THE TRUE CATHOLICS IS 'VERY, VERY BAD'."
That is entirely beside the point (though I do not agree with it, for the 'record').
My point was clearly that his views specifically on the holocause do not exclude him, or anyone, from being a good Catholic. It is not a matter of Faith, therefore it cannot be heresy.
You then go on to say some more unrelated business about the "excommunication". Again you missed the point, which was that EVEN IF THEY WERE VALID, which you clearly believe them to have been, the SSPX bishops are not outside the Church because they have been lifted. Also, even if their ministries are illicit (which I know means 'illegal'), that does not place them outside the Church, as the Holy See has said.
ReplyDelete"IN ALMOST ALL SSPX FOLLOWERS I'VE MET THEY ARE FOND OF CLAIMING THAT THE VATICAN II IS WRONG ABOUT EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS. IF THAT IS THE CASE, ALL THOSE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH WILL NOT BE SAVED. SINCE LEFEBVRE DIED OUTSIDE THE CHURCH FOR BEING EXCOMMUNICATED THEN HE IS NOT SAVED BY SSPX STANDARD."
It is a Catholic dogma that there is no salvation whatsoever outside the Catholic Church. This is unrelated to your original post about Bishop Williamson, you brought it up only to irrationally attack the SSPX.
Archbishop Lefebvre having died with an "excommunication" does not mean that he cannot be saved by the standards of the SSPX (which are the same as those of the Catholic Church) because the SSPX disputes the validity of those excommunications. Interestingly, Saint Joan of Arc also died while "excommunicated".
"I DON'T HAVE TO DEFEND IT. IT IS YOUR LORD WHO HAS TO DEFEND HIS ABOMINABLE STATEMENTS AGAINST HUMANITY."
Yes, you do, because you made the positive assertion that the SSPX is hypocritical because of this, now you must defend it.
Also, His Lordship has not made any "abominable statements against humanity", in his questioning the reality of an historical event he has attacked no one.
"HONEST? YOUR LORD HONEST? THEN, WHY DID HE APOLOGIZED AND CLARIFIED HIS STATEMENT? WHY DID FELLAY ISSUED CLARIFICATION AND ORDERED HIM TO SHUT UP? BECAUSE THEY KNEW, HE KNEW THAT HE STATED SOMETHING VERY WRONG AND WITH TERRIBLE REPERCUSSIONS. THE BULK OF THE BLAME FELL ON POPE BENEDICT XVI BECAUSE HE REMOVED THE EXCOMMUNICATION ON SUCH A DESPICABLE LORD... DARK LORD."
1. Yes, he is honest, had he not been honest he would have lied about what he believed.
2. He apologized for the imprudence of stating these things on television and for the trouble that the fuss caused for His Holiness the Pope, not because of what he believes.
"WE LEARN OUR LESSONS. FOR MANY YEARS THE SSPX MADE A TURKEY SHOOT ON POPE PAUL VI AND ARCH. BUGNINI DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE LATE HOLY FATHER AND THE LATE MONSIGNOR MY LORD ARCHBISHOP BUGNINI. NOW IT IS TIME FOR CATHOLICS TO ANSWER YOUR ATTACKS MEASURE FOR MEASURE."
The SSPX criticizes those things which Pope Paul VI and Archbishop Bugnini objectively did wrong by the standards of what the Catholic Church has always taught. You and the other commentators made purely uncharitable comments, such as "I WANT TO VOMIT AGAIN LOOKING AT HIS PICTURE", and "I want to print it and his picture would be my target in target shooting."
God bless.
"IT IS ENOUGH. HE IS NOT A CHILD. YOUR LORD WHO IS NOT MY LORD CLAIMS TO BE A LORD. IF YOUR LORD IS USING HIS HEAD HE KNOWS THAT STATING SUCH A THING IS A MANIFESTATION OF SUPPORT FOR HITLER AND THE NAZIS, AS WELL AS AN INSULT TO THE JEWS."
ReplyDelete[This is not a substantiation of your statement that his "denial" of the holocaust means he loves the Nazis, this is merely rephrasing the statement.]
THE STATEMENTS OF WILLIAMSON IS THE PROOF ITSELF. IF YOU CANNOT SEE IT IN THERE IT ONLY SHOWS THAT YOU ARE IN STATE OF DENIAL.
HOW NICE TO SEE HOW IT IS EASY FOR YOUR KIND TO MISINTERPRET THE DOCUMENT SO THE CHURCH EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE PROPERLY STATED. BUT THE DEMONIC STATEMENTS OF WILLIAMSON ARE BECOMING GOOD FOR YOU EVEN IF THEY ARE EVIL.
"IF YOUR LORD WHO IS NOT MY LORD USED HIS HEAD AND APPLIED PRINCIPLE OF ECUMENISM HE WOULD NOT HAVE FALLEN INTO SUCH ACT OF STUPIDITY THAT PUT THE ENTIRE CHURCH INTO SCANDAL AND INTERNATIONAL PROTESTS."
[1. "My Lord" and "His Lordship" are the proper addresses of a bishop in England (which is where I happen to live).]
WHO CARES IF YOU ARE IN ENGLAND. WHETHER YOU LIVE IN ENGLAND OR IRELAND YOUR LORD IS NOT MY LORD. MY LORD BISHOP IS IN COMMUNION WITH THE SEE OF PETER.
[2. The "principle of ecumenism" doesn't come in to it, this is not a matter of Faith.]
ReplyDeleteTHE PRINCIPLE OF ECUMENISM IS DEMANDED BY THE DIVINE COMMAND OF LOVE OF NEIGHBOR. THE CHURCH UPHOLD THAT SHE IS THE ONE AND ONLY CHURCH BUT SHE ALSO RECOGNIZE THE GOOD IN OTHERS. UNLIKE THE SSPX VIEWS THAT IS PHARISAICAL.
[2. The Church was the subject of protests not really because of what His Lordship said, nor anything the His Holiness did, but because anti-catholics will find any thing they can with which to attack the Church.]
THE SSPX IS PART OF THAT ATTACK AGAINT THE CHURCH. THE CHURCH IS UNDER ATTACK BY ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS, BY THE PRO-ABORTIONS, BY COMMUNISTS, BY FREEMASONS AND BY SSPX.
INSTEAD OF BEING AGENTS OF SOLUTION THE SSPX IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.
[Had they been logical about it, as faithful Catholics should be, they would have seen that the denial or questioning of the truth of an historical event is not a matter of Faith, therefore it cannot be heresy, therefore it cannot be a reason to excommunicate someone and therefore it cannot be a valid reason not to lift the excommunication of someone.]
THE EXCOMMUNICATIONS HAPPENED BECAUSE THE EXCOMMUNICATED WENT BEYOND THE LIMIT. THEY ENTERED INTO THE REALM OF THE DOCTRINE, THE DOGMA AND NOT EXCLUDING DISCIPLINE AND PASTORAL CONCERNS. THEY DESERVED THE PUNISHMENT BECAUSE THEY EARNED IT BY THEIR OWN EVIL ACTS.
ACTUALLY, THE EXCOMMUNICATIONS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN REMOVED BECAUSE THE EXCOMMUNICATION WAS EARNED BUT IT WAS REMOVED OUT OF CHARITY OF THE HOLY FATHER.
"IF HE IS NOT SUPPORTIVE OF NAZISM HE WOULD NOT HAVE STATED THAT. THAT STATEMENT IS A MANIFESTATION OF SUPPORT FOR NAZISM. TELL HIM TO SAY IT AGAIN, LET US SEE THE EFFECT. HE, HE, HE... THAT IS WHY HE WAS CONDEMNED INTERNATIONALLY."
[1. Again, this is simply restating the very statement in question. You clearly can't defend the assertion that questioning the holocaust neccessarily implies support for Nazism because it's not true.]
ReplyDeleteHA, HA, HA... YOU ARE CLEVERLY DEFENDING YOUR NAZISTIC LORDSHIP BY SHIELDING HIM AND NOW YOU WANT ME TO BE IN THE DEFENSIVE E. HA, HA, HA... YOUR PLOY IS VERY CHEAP. THE STATEMENT OF WILLIAMSON CAUSED OUTRAGE BECAUSE IT IS SUPPORTIVE OF NAZISM AND SUAVELY EXONERATES HITLER. IF IT IS JUST MY IMPRESSION HOW COME THE DISGUST AND PROTESTS ARE UNIVERSAL IN SCOPE. HA, HA, HA...
A HATER OF THE NAZI WILL NOT DARE SPEAK SUCH THINGS. HE STATED THAT BECAUSE HE WANTED THE WORLD TO LESSEN ITS BLAMES ON THE NAZI AND AT THE SAME TIME HE SHOWED LITTE RESPECT FOR THE MEMORY OF THOSE JEWS KILLED IN THE HOLOCAUST.
[Nenver will you find a statement from His Lordship Bishop Williamson supporting, in any way, the ideology of Adolf Hitler or the Nazis.]
THAT INTERVIEW OPENED A CRACK IN HIM. PREVIOUSLY HE WAS JUST SILENT IN MEDIA. SO, THIS MATTER IS KNOWN ONLY TO HIS INNER CIRCLE BUT HE CRACKED AND HIS HIDDEN VIEWS POP OUT. NOW HE IS DISCOVERED. AND THERE IS NO WAY TO DENY.
IF HE WANTS TO DENY IT THEN HE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE INTERVIEWED BY THE MEDIA. BECAUSE ONCE A PERSON IS FREELY INTERVIWED HIS REAL VIEWS WILL BE FLOWING. HE, HE, HE... OF COURSE, HE IS NOT UNDER COMMAND BY FELLAY TO BE SILENT. HA, HA, HA...
[2. He would've also been condemned internationally had he denied any other modern secular 'dogma' such as Climate Change.]
DENIAL OF CLIMATE CHANGE WILL NOT BE AS INSULTING AS DENIAL OF HOLOCAUST.
"HE IS NOT IN GOOD STANDING IN CHURCH BECAUSE HE BELONGS TO A GROUP NOT IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE VICAR OF CHRIST. NO CATHOLIC WILL CONSIDER THAT 'IN GOOD STANDING'. HE IS STANDING ON THE SAND AND NOT ON THE ROCK THAT IS PETER [cf. MATTHEW 7:24-27]. BEING OUT OF COMMUNION WITH PETER FOR THE TRUE CATHOLICS IS 'VERY, VERY BAD'."
[That is entirely beside the point (though I do not agree with it, for the 'record').]
THAT IS EXACTLY WITHIN THE POINT. OF COURSE YOU WILL DENY IT BECAUSE IT IS DETRIMENTAL TO YOUR POSITION.
[My point was clearly that his views specifically on the holocause do not exclude him, or anyone, from being a good Catholic. It is not a matter of Faith, therefore it cannot be heresy.]
HE IS GUILTY OF HERESY FOR REFUSING TO BE IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE SEE OF PETER. BY BEING SO ONE IS OUTSIDE THE CHURCH IN WHICH THERE IS NO SALVATION AS YOU ABSOLUTELY INTERPRET.
HIS COMMENT ON HOLOCAUST IS JUST AN ICING IN THE CASE OF HIS HERETICAL AND SCHISMATIC BELIEFS.
[You then go on to say some more unrelated business about the "excommunication".]
ReplyDeleteDEFINITELY IT IS RELATED. HA, HA, HA... I NOTICE THAT YOU WANT TO LIMIT MY REMARKS AGAINST YOUR LORDSHIP ER... WHY? ARE YOU GETTING HURT? WELL GOOD FOR YOU. NOW YOU KNOW THE FEELINGS OF EVERY ROMAN CATHOLICS EVERY TIME YOU INSULT OUR CONTEMPORARY POPES AND THE RECENT ECUMENICAL COUNCIL.
[Again you missed the point, which was that EVEN IF THEY WERE VALID, which you clearly believe them to have been, the SSPX bishops are not outside the Church because they have been lifted.]
HA, HA, HA... YOU SEE HOW HYPOCRITICAL YOU SSPX ARE. YOU ARE NOT OBEYING THE CODE OF CANON LAW. YOU ARE NOT UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE AND THE LOCAL BISHOPS YET IN ORDER TO HIDE YOUR SHAME AND YOUR DISOBEDIENCE YOU ARE BANKING ON OUR CODE OF LAW AND THE DECISIONS MADE BY OUR POPE. HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE USING THE THINGS THAT YOU HATE AS A BLANKET AROUND YOUR SOUL.
LIFTING OF EXCOMMUNICATION IS NOT AUTOMATIC MEMBERSHIP IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. BUT IT WAS JUST A STEP TO CONVINCE THE SSPX OF THE POPE'S LOVING KINDNESS SO THAT THEY WILL RETURN TO THE FOLD. BUT MONTHS HAVE PASSED BUT YOUR LEADERSHIP SEEM TO BE NOT SO KEEN ABOUT IT. SO, DE JURE ET DE FACTO THE SSPX ARE OUTSIDE. THAT IS WHY THERE IS A DIALOGUE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT IN.
[Also, even if their ministries are illicit (which I know means 'illegal'), that does not place them outside the Church, as the Holy See has said.]
HA, HA, HA... THE HOLY SEE IS SIMPLY BEING DIPLOMATIC BUT THE FACT IS BERNARD FELLAY IS THE DE FACTO POPE OF SSPX. HE IS ITS HEAD AND LEADER. IT IS FROM HIM THAT THE SSPX GETS ORDERS AND COMMANDS. SO, YOU ARE NOT IN FULL COMMUNION WITH PETER.
"IN ALMOST ALL SSPX FOLLOWERS I'VE MET THEY ARE FOND OF CLAIMING THAT THE VATICAN II IS WRONG ABOUT EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS. IF THAT IS THE CASE, ALL THOSE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH WILL NOT BE SAVED. SINCE LEFEBVRE DIED OUTSIDE THE CHURCH FOR BEING EXCOMMUNICATED THEN HE IS NOT SAVED BY SSPX STANDARD."
ReplyDelete[It is a Catholic dogma that there is no salvation whatsoever outside the Catholic Church. This is unrelated to your original post about Bishop Williamson, you brought it up only to irrationally attack the SSPX.]
THIS IS VERY MUCH RELATED. AND THAT IS NOT IRRATIONAL. I AM ONLY APPLYING TO LEFEBVRE THE PHARISAICAL INTERPRETATION OF SSPX OF RCC DOGMA 'OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION.' LEFEBVRE DIED OUTSIDE THE CHURCH AND UNREPENTANT FOR THAT. IT IS BUT LOGICAL TO CONCLUDE THAT HE IS NOT SAVED OR HE IS ROTTING IN HELL.
[Archbishop Lefebvre having died with an "excommunication" does not mean that he cannot be saved by the standards of the SSPX (which are the same as those of the Catholic Church)]
HA, HA, HA... I DON'T KNOW ANY CATHOLIC DOGMA WHICH STATES THAT THE SSPX IS A MEANS OF SALVATION. HA, HA, HA... THE DOGMA STATES THAT OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION. SO, EVEN IF YOU ARE INSIDE SSPX IF YOU ARE OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION. IS THAT CORRECT? HA, HA, HA... THAT IS THE SSPX INTERPRETATION. IT MUST BE APPLIED ON THE EXCOMMUNICATED SOUL OF LEFEBVRE. HA, HA, HA...
[You then go on to say some more unrelated business about the "excommunication".]
ReplyDeleteDEFINITELY IT IS RELATED. HA, HA, HA... I NOTICE THAT YOU WANT TO LIMIT MY REMARKS AGAINST YOUR LORDSHIP ER... WHY? ARE YOU GETTING HURT? WELL GOOD FOR YOU. NOW YOU KNOW THE FEELINGS OF EVERY ROMAN CATHOLICS EVERY TIME YOU INSULT OUR CONTEMPORARY POPES AND THE RECENT ECUMENICAL COUNCIL.
[Again you missed the point, which was that EVEN IF THEY WERE VALID, which you clearly believe them to have been, the SSPX bishops are not outside the Church because they have been lifted.]
HA, HA, HA... YOU SEE HOW HYPOCRITICAL YOU SSPX ARE. YOU ARE NOT OBEYING THE CODE OF CANON LAW. YOU ARE NOT UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE AND THE LOCAL BISHOPS YET IN ORDER TO HIDE YOUR SHAME AND YOUR DISOBEDIENCE YOU ARE BANKING ON OUR CODE OF LAW AND THE DECISIONS MADE BY OUR POPE. HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE USING THE THINGS THAT YOU HATE AS A BLANKET AROUND YOUR SOUL.
LIFTING OF EXCOMMUNICATION IS NOT AUTOMATIC MEMBERSHIP IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. BUT IT WAS JUST A STEP TO CONVINCE THE SSPX OF THE POPE'S LOVING KINDNESS SO THAT THEY WILL RETURN TO THE FOLD. BUT MONTHS HAVE PASSED BUT YOUR LEADERSHIP SEEM TO BE NOT SO KEEN ABOUT IT. SO, DE JURE ET DE FACTO THE SSPX ARE OUTSIDE. THAT IS WHY THERE IS A DIALOGUE BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT IN.
[Also, even if their ministries are illicit (which I know means 'illegal'), that does not place them outside the Church, as the Holy See has said.]
HA, HA, HA... THE HOLY SEE IS SIMPLY BEING DIPLOMATIC BUT THE FACT IS BERNARD FELLAY IS THE DE FACTO POPE OF SSPX. HE IS ITS HEAD AND LEADER. IT IS FROM HIM THAT THE SSPX GETS ORDERS AND COMMANDS. SO, YOU ARE NOT IN FULL COMMUNION WITH PETER.
"IN ALMOST ALL SSPX FOLLOWERS I'VE MET THEY ARE FOND OF CLAIMING THAT THE VATICAN II IS WRONG ABOUT EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS. IF THAT IS THE CASE, ALL THOSE OUTSIDE THE CHURCH WILL NOT BE SAVED. SINCE LEFEBVRE DIED OUTSIDE THE CHURCH FOR BEING EXCOMMUNICATED THEN HE IS NOT SAVED BY SSPX STANDARD."
[because the SSPX disputes the validity of those excommunications.]
WHO CARES IF THEY DISPUTE. EVEN THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN IS POWERLESS ONCE PETER USED THE POWER OF THE KEY. THE VICAR OF CHRIST HAS POWER THAT IS BINDING IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH. HA, HA, HA... THAT IS CLEAR IN VATICAN I. HA, HA, HA...
THE SSPX CAN DISPUTE IT IN HELL OR IN LIMBO BUT YOU CANNOT CHANGE IT UNLESS THE SAME POWER REVOKED IT.
[Interestingly, Saint Joan of Arc also died while "excommunicated".]
ReplyDeleteHA, HA, HA... ST. JOAN OF ARC WAS SENTENCED TO DIE DESPITE THE FACT THAT SHE WAS PLEADING TO BE HEARD BY THE POPE. SHE REQUESTED TO BE PUT UNDER THE CUSTODY OF THE POPE. HA, HA, HA... AND IT WAS THE POPE WHO LATER FORMED THE COMMISSION THAT FOUND HER INNOCENT AND A VICTIM OF POLITICAL MANIPULATION. HA, HA, HA... IT WAS ALSO THE POPE THAT CANONIZED HER. HA, HA, HA...
IMAGINE, YOU CAN LIE THROUGH YOUR TEETH. YOU CAN DISTORT THE HISTORY OF ST. JOAN OF ARC AND TWIST THE MEANING OF WILLIAMSON'S REMARK JUST TO DEFEND THE DISOBEDIENCE OF LUCIF... ER.. LEFEBVRE.
"I DON'T HAVE TO DEFEND IT. IT IS YOUR LORD WHO HAS TO DEFEND HIS ABOMINABLE STATEMENTS AGAINST HUMANITY."
[Yes, you do, because you made the positive assertion that the SSPX is hypocritical because of this, now you must defend it.]
HA, HA, HA... THERE IS NO NEED FOR ME TO DO THAT BECAUSE WILLIAMSON IS ALREADY INTERNATIONALLY CONDEMNED EXCEPT BY HIS BLIND FOLLOWERS. HA, HA, HA...
THE SSPX IS REALLY HYPOCRITICAL. YOUR LIES ON ST. JOAN OF ARC IS A PROOF OF THAT. IF YOU CAN LIE ABOUT ST. JOAN, HOW MUCH MORE WITH WILLIAMSON.
[Also, His Lordship has not made any "abominable statements against humanity", in his questioning the reality of an historical event he has attacked no one.]
HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE REALLY LAWYERING FOR WILLIAMSON EH. HA, HA, HA... OK C'MMON. THAT'S GOOD. LET THE WHOLE WORLD SEE HOW YOU ARE BLIND TO THE EVILS OF YOUR OWN GROUP. HA, HA, HA...
QUESTIONING THE PROVEN FACT SUCH AS THE HOLOCAUST IS A CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY. QUESTIONING THE HOLOCAUST IS AN ACT OF HONORING HITLER WHO PERPETRATED IT BECAUSE IF THE HOLOCAUST IS DENIED, QUESTIONED OR REJECTED IT IS AN ACT OF DIMINISHING THE CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY OF ADOLF HITLER. BESIDES IT SHOWS THAT YOUR LORD IS ANTI-JEWS.
"HONEST? YOUR LORD HONEST? THEN, WHY DID HE APOLOGIZED AND CLARIFIED HIS STATEMENT? WHY DID FELLAY ISSUED CLARIFICATION AND ORDERED HIM TO SHUT UP? BECAUSE THEY KNEW, HE KNEW THAT HE STATED SOMETHING VERY WRONG AND WITH TERRIBLE REPERCUSSIONS. THE BULK OF THE BLAME FELL ON POPE BENEDICT XVI BECAUSE HE REMOVED THE EXCOMMUNICATION ON SUCH A DESPICABLE LORD... DARK LORD."
[1. Yes, he is honest, had he not been honest he would have lied about what he believed.]
HA, HA, HA... HE IS SO HONEST THAT WHEN HIS STATEMENT WAS RELEASED ON MEDIA AND PROTESTS WERE HURLED AGAINST HIM HE CLAIMS OF BEING MISUNDERSTOOD. HA, HA, HA...
[2. He apologized for the imprudence of stating these things on television and for the trouble that the fuss caused for His Holiness the Pope, not because of what he believes.]
BECAUSE HE BELIEVED WHAT HE HAD STATED AND FOR THAT HE DESERVES THE INTERNATIONAL INDIGNATION AND THE CURSE OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
"WE LEARN OUR LESSONS. FOR MANY YEARS THE SSPX MADE A TURKEY SHOOT ON POPE PAUL VI AND ARCH. BUGNINI DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE LATE HOLY FATHER AND THE LATE MONSIGNOR MY LORD ARCHBISHOP BUGNINI. NOW IT IS TIME FOR CATHOLICS TO ANSWER YOUR ATTACKS MEASURE FOR MEASURE."
[The SSPX criticizes those things which Pope Paul VI and Archbishop Bugnini objectively did wrong by the standards of what the Catholic Church has always taught.]
POPE PAUL VI AND MY LORD ARCHBISHOP BUGNINI HAVE REMAINED FAITHFUL TO THE CHURCH AND HAVE NOT COMMITTED DOCTRINAL ERRORS. IT IS LEFEBVRE AND THE SSPX WHO ARE WRONG.
[You and the other commentators made purely uncharitable comments, such as "I WANT TO VOMIT AGAIN LOOKING AT HIS PICTURE", and "I want to print it and his picture would be my target in target shooting."]
THAT IS REALLY WHAT I FEEL EVERY TIME I LOOK AT HIS PICTURE. THAT IS AN UNDENIABLE FACT FOR ME. YOU CAN CONTEST IT IF YOU WANT.
[God bless.]
THANKS BUT NO THANKS. WE DO NOT ACCEPT ILLICIT BLESSINGS.
dear father Abe,
ReplyDeleteI know it has been a month since you posted this and the issue can be considered "cold-bread" already. But I just found somethin interesting about Marcel lefebvre.
MArcel lefebvre was the second and the third Child of factory-owner René Lefebvre. René Lefebvre died in 1944 in the Nazi concentration camp at Sonnenburg (in East Brandenburg, Germany), where he had been imprisoned by the Gestapo because of his work for the French Resistance and British Intelligence.
SO I THINK IF LEFBVRE WAS ALIVE TODAY, HE WILL NOT BE SO PLEASED WHAT WILLIAMSON HAD SAID BECAUSE HE IS INSULTING THE MEMORY OF HIS FATHER. I AM NOT PRO LEFEBVRE, BUT I THINK IT IS PAINFUL IN HIS PART THAT HE LOST HIS FATHER IN NAZI CONCENTRATION CAMP.
Another thing which is disturbing THAT I found out in Wikipedia that "Cardinal Lienart, who ordained him as priest and bishop" has been identified as a 30 degree Freemason, according to Issue No. 51 of Chiesa Viva, March 1976."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel_Lefebvre
I am still trying to look other source which may claim support this claim, but it seems even in the traditionalist side, there is a freemason among them. They say Msgr. Bugnini was a mason, but, if the claim is true, then lefbevre's consecration came from a mason...
Bishop Williamson is a brave man. His actions are courageous and in time he will be recognized for his honesty. He condemns violence yet the people who speak out against him want to kill him. Talk about hypocrisy.
ReplyDelete[Bishop Williamson is a brave man.]
ReplyDeleteTHAT IS NOT BRAVERY THAT IS FOOLISHNESS. IMAGINE, STATING SOMETHING THAT LESSENS THE CULPABILITY AND CRIME COMMITTED BY HITLER AGAINST HUMANITY. ONLY FOOLS WILL AGREE TO WHAT HE SAID.
[His actions are courageous and in time he will be recognized for his honesty.]
WHERE IS THE HONESTY IN HIS STATEMENT? ACTUALLY, HE ISSUED AN APOLOGY FOR IT. AND THE SSPX CENSURED HIM FOR COMMITTING SUCH BLUNDER. YOU ONLY HAVE THE COURAGE TO SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE ANONYMOUS. REVEAL YOUR IDENTITY SO THAT YOUR STUPIDITY SHALL BE UNIVERSALLY UPHELD TOGETHER WITH WILLIAMSON THE FOOL.
[He condemns violence]
REALLY? THAT IS THE REASON WHY HE IS INFATUATED BY HITLER AND HAPPILY MINIMIZES THE LOSS OF JEWISH LIVES IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR.
[ yet the people who speak out against him want to kill him.]
HA, HA, HA... HIS BLOOD IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT. EVEN IF HE DIES IT WILL NOT HAVE THE INTERNATIONAL REPERCUSSIONS AS THE BLOOD OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN, JOHN F. KENNEDY, MAHATMA GAHDHI OR THE BLOOD SHED BY JOHN PAUL THE GREAT WHEN HE WAS SHOT BY ALI AGCA. WHEN THE POPE WAS SHOT THE WHOLE CHRISTIAN WORLD KNELT IN PRAYERS EXCEPT MAY BE THE SSPX FOOLS LIKE YOU. WHEN LEFEBVFE DIED WE HARDLY NOTICE THE NEWS. WHEN JOHN PAUL THE GREAT DIED THE WHOLE WORLD MOURNED AS IF THE FAVORITE SON PASSED AWAY.
THE BLOOD OF WILLIAMSON IS A PIECE OF CORRUPTED WINE IN THE CUP OF ECCLESIASTICAL BETRAYALS AND DISOBEDIENCE.
[Talk about hypocrisy.]
IT IS YOU WHO IS A HYPOCRITE. YOU ARE TRYING TO APPEAR COURAGEOUS WHILE HIDING IN THE DARK. WILLIAMSON SWALLOWED HIS PRIDE AND APOLOGIZED. GOOD FOR HIM ALTHOUGH IT WAS NOT ENOUGH.
THERE IS NO NEED TO SPILL HIS BLOOD. THE SACRED GROUND OF EATH DOESN'T NEED MORE POLLUTION THAN WHAT IT ALREADY HAS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT INFORMATION BRO. KIM. I AGREE WITH YOU ON LEFEBVRE'S POSSIBLE REACTION ON WILLIAMSON BROUHAHA.
ReplyDeletePLEASE RESEARCH MORE ON CARDINAL LIENART AND MASONRY.
though I am still searching for documents that would support, here is a statement I got from a conservative article
ReplyDelete:
"PLEASE NOTE that, despite the foregoing I do not concede the factual allegation that Cardinal Liénart was indeed a Mason. My aim here is to demonstrate that, had Cardinal Liénart indeed been a Mason, one could not for that reason attack the validity of the sacraments he conferred."
http://www.traditionalmass.org/images/articles/MasonicBishops.pdf
if this is his point, then this would also apply to Bugnini (if he was indeed a mason). that means the novus ordo mass is not in valid just because the fact he is a mason. The validity of the mass lies in the validity of ordination.
Obviously you are a member of the majority who wish to crucify the true Catholic church which subsists in the SSPX and other traditionalist groups. Why
ReplyDeletedon't you go join the masonic Cardinal Bugnini and the other judases of the Church wishing to betray all true Catholics for the expense of the truth. Oh!
by the way I'm not a coward, my name is Br. John Mark Hair S.F.O., and even though I don't agree with Bishop Williamson, I believe your attempt to slander
the SSPX which most certainly is the only faithful Catholic order left in the world who haven't bought into this oneworld religion lie, and compremised
with false religions such as Islam, Judaism, and Protestantism as well as so-called orthodoxy is nothing more than liberal blustering is unfounded unwarranted
and sacrelege. My email is anglocross1210@aol.com. Anyone with half a brain left wishing to discuss this honestly without cheepshots, feel free to email
me. There is no salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church. As the Catholic Church is the only Church Christ founded Matt. 16:18, and Christ is the way
not a way John 14:6, and no salvation is found other then in him Acts 4:12, as his Body the Church it follows that: No salvation outside Christ, no salvation
outside his body. Think about it before you jump on the bandwagon to make a name for yourself liking the praises of men rather then doing what is right
and not rejoicing over the persecutions of a bishop, particularly since you are only a priest and therefore lower than the bishop. It is a shame that Christ's
Church should be divided by such as yourself. Note: I will not discuss false doctrine or heresy with anyone writing to me except to condemn what the Church
condemns. signed Br. John Mark Hair S.F.O.
[Obviously you are a member of the majority who wish to crucify the true Catholic church which subsists in the SSPX and other traditionalist groups.]
ReplyDeleteOBVIOUSLY YOU ARE A FOOL. HA, HA, HA... SINCE WHEN DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SUBSISTS IN THE SSPX. HA, HA, HA...
IMAGINE, HOW IDIOTIC YOU ARE. THE SSPX REJECTS THE FORMULA 'subsistit' FOR THE CHURCH IN THE DOCUMENT LUMEN GENTIUM YET HERE YOU ARE SWALLOWING YOUR OWN VOMIT BY ATTRIBUTING 'SUBSISTIT' FOR SSPX. HOW DARE YOU! SHAME ON YOU!
IN WHAT DOGMATIC PRONOUNCEMENTS DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACH THAT SHE SUBSISTS IN THE SSPX?
YOU ARE SHAMELESS IN YOUR LIES AND DECEITS. YOUR DOGMATIC DELUSIONS HAVE REACHED YOUR NERVE IN THE BRAIN.
[Why don't you go join the masonic Cardinal Bugnini]
THE SO-CALLED MASONIC MEMBERSHIP OF ARCH. BUGNINI IS INVENTED BY SSPX AND THE SEDEVACANTISTS SO JUSTIFY THEIR LITURGICAL REBELLION.
BUGNINI IS AN ARCHBISHOP NOT A CARDINAL SO I AM SURPRISED BY YOUR IGNORANCE OF THIS BASIC FACT.
YOU ARE SO CONVINCED BY THE LIES THAT YOU YOURSELVES HAVE INVENTED.
[and the other judases of the Church wishing to betray all true Catholics for the expense of the truth.]
LEFEVBRE IS THE JUDAS OF THIS CONTEMPORARY TIME. HE IS THE TRAITOR TO THE CHURCH.
[Oh!
by the way I'm not a coward, my name is Br. John Mark Hair S.F.O.,]
VERY GOOD. AT LEAST I KNOW YOUR NAME IF IT IS TRULY YOUR NAME AND IDENTITY.
[Oh!
ReplyDeleteby the way I'm not a coward, my name is Br. John Mark Hair S.F.O.,]
VERY GOOD. AT LEAST I KNOW YOUR NAME IF IT IS TRULY YOUR NAME AND IDENTITY.
[and even though I don't agree with Bishop Williamson, I believe your attempt to slander
the SSPX which most certainly is the only faithful Catholic order left in the world who haven't bought into this oneworld religion lie,]
HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE ALREADY IDIOTIC. WHO TOLD YOU THAT WE BOUGHT THIS 'ONEWORLD RELIGION LIE'. HA, HA, HA... THAT IS THE REASON WHY WE ARE BUSY CONVERTING TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THE NON CATHOLICS BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IN THE 'ONE AND ONLY CHURCH'. AND THAT IS THE DOGMA OF FAITH.
DON'T IMPOSE ON US YOUR OWN STUPIDITIES AND HALLUCINATIONS.
[and compremised
with false religions such as Islam, Judaism, and Protestantism as well as so-called orthodoxy is nothing more than liberal blustering is unfounded unwarranted
and sacrelege.]
STUPID AGAIN. DIALOGUE IS NOT COMPROMISING BUT CONVINCING. ONLY FOOLS REJECT DIALOGUE. WE NEVER COMPROMISED IT SO HAPPENED THAT THE SSPX ARE IRRATIONAL THAT THEY REFUSE INTER-RELIGIOUS DIALOGUES. THEY PREFER INTER-RELIGIOUS WAR. THE POSITION OF SSPX IS DEMONIC IN NATURE AND IN ORIGIN. IT IS INHUMAN AND IRRATIONAL.
[My email is anglocross1210@aol.com. Anyone with half a brain left wishing to discuss this honestly without cheepshots, feel free to email
me.]
BETTER DISCUSS IT HERE. DON'T HIDE IN PERSONALIZED MESSAGES. SHOW YOUR TRUTH IN PUBLIC. LET ME SEE IF YOU REALLY POSSESS HALF OF HUMAN BRAIN.
[There is no salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church.]
ReplyDeleteTHAT IS WHY BY THAT STANDARD LEFEBVRE IS IN HELL BECAUSE HE DIED OUTSIDE THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. HE DIED EXCOMMUNICATED.
AND THAT IS WHY THE SSPX IS IN DANGER OF HELL BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.
[As the Catholic Church is the only Church Christ founded Matt. 16:18,]
THAT PROMISE WAS GIVEN TO PETER AND TO THE OFFICE OF PETER. IT IS THE POPE THAT CARRIES THAT AUTHORITY AND NOT LEFEBVRE AND DEFINITELY NOT BERNARD FELLAY. SO YOUR SOUL IS IN DANGER.
[and Christ is the way
not a way John 14:6,]
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC DOGMA SAYS THAT CHRIST IS THE 'THE WAY' -- THE ONLY WAY. WE NEVER TAUGHT THAT CHRIST IS 'A WAY'. NEVER. WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH TEACHES THAT JESUS IS 'A WAY'? WHO? TELL ME.
[and no salvation is found other then in him Acts 4:12,]
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TEACHING AND PREACHING. SO WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?
[as his Body the Church it follows that: No salvation outside Christ, no salvation
outside his body.]
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE TEACHING. THAT IS WHY THE SSPX IS IN DANGER BECAUSE IT IS OUTSIDE THE BODY OF CHRIST.
[Think about it before you jump on the bandwagon to make a name for yourself liking the praises of men rather then doing what is right]
I AM NOT JUMPING ON ANYTHING. I AM WELL SECURED IN MY CATHOLIC FAITH IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE SUCCESSOR OF PETER. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO JUMPED TO THE SSPX. SO, TELL THAT TO YOURSELF.
I AM NOT ENJOYING THE PRAISES OF MEN. IN THIS BLOG I RECEIVE BOTH PRAISES AND CURSES AND JEERS... WHO CARES ABOUT IT? I AM ONLY DOING MY DUTY AS A DEFENDER OF THE FAITH.
[and not rejoicing over the persecutions of a bishop,]
HE IS NOT OUR BISHOP. HE IS THE BISHOP OF A TREACHEROUS GROUP. AND WE DO NOT ACCEPT WHAT HE HAS DONE. WE ARE NO PRO-HITLER.
[particularly since you are only a priest and therefore lower than the bishop.]
HA, HA, HA... IF LEFEBVRE IS NOT OBEYING THE POPE HOW CAN YOU EXPECT ME TO RESPECT AND OBEY YOUR BISHOPS. IF YOU WANT TO BE RESPECTED, LEARN HOW TO RESPECT THE PROPER AUTHORITIES OF THE CHURCH. SHOW EXAMPLE. DON'T BE HYPOCRITES.
[It is a shame that Christ's
Church should be divided by such as yourself.]
HA, HA, HA... EXCUSE ME. IT IS LEFEBVRE WHO SATANICALLY COMMITTED AN EXCOMMUNICABLE ACTS AND YOUR PRESENT BISHOPS WERE PARTICIPANTS OF THOSE DEMONIC ACTS THEN YOU WILL ACCUSE US OF DIVIDING THE CHURCH. HA, HA, HA....
THE UNITY OF THE CHURCH IS ACTIVE WITH OUR COMMUNION WITH THE SEE OF PETER. THE SSPX IS OUTSIDE OF IT.
[Note: I will not discuss false doctrine or heresy with anyone writing to me except to condemn what the Church
condemns. signed Br. John Mark Hair S.F.O.]
THAT IS EXACTLY MY POSITION. THAT IS WHY WE REJECT THE SSPX BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE SUCCESSOR OF PETER. IT IS LIVING IN A CONDEMNABLE STATE.
Signed: REV. FR. ABE P. ARGANIOSA, CRS
Such hatred as is exemplified on this website has no connection with Christ or the Roman Catholic Church. You sound more like Muslims than Christians.
ReplyDeleteRESPECT IS EARNED NOT SIMPLY HANDED. IF THE SSPX WANTS TO BE RESPECTED THEY MUST PRESENT THEMSELVES TO US AS LOVABLE AND LIKEABLE. THEY KEEP ON ATTACKING AND ATTACKING OUR POPE HOW CAN THEY EXPECT RESPECT OUT OF US.
ReplyDeleteBESIDES, IM GLAD TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOT OFFENDED BY wILLIAMSON'S THEATRICS AGAINST THE JEWS.