Jesus healing the blind man, by Eustache Le Sueur, 1625-1650. The blind man Bartimaeus received healing after repeatedly asking the Lord: "Son of David, have pity on me."
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Thank you, dear brother Anonymous. I also made the same point in my refutation of Dr. Anthony Pezzotta, apostate priest-turned-Baptist pastor.
Please see:
http://bromarwilnllasos.blogspot.com/search/label/Rosary
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Here are some excerpts:
Finally, Pezzotta attacks the Rosary and calls it “unacceptable” supposedly because of the “repetition of words.” The Baptist pastor claims that Jesus is against “repetitive prayers.” He quotes Matthew 6:7 of Today’s English Version –
When you pray, do not use a lot of meaningless words, as the pagans do, who think that their gods will hear them because their prayers are long.
Notice that there is nothing in the passage from TEV quoted by Pezzotta that condemns “repetitive prayers.” The verse says that when we pray, we should not use “a lot of meaningless words as the pagans do.” Catholics don’t use meaningless words in praying like the pagans. The words in the Rosary are certainly not meaningless. Pezzotta himself concedes that there are “positive things” in the Rosary like the “very good aspect” of meditating on the important events in the life of Christ. So, how can the prayerful meditation of the Christ-event be meaningless?
Our Lord also condemns the lengthy prayers of the Pharisees in Mark 12:40 and Luke 20:47: “They devour widows' houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Such men will be punished most severely.” Here, Our Lord condemns making lengthy prayers “for a show.” This condemnation, in fact, seems to apply more to Protestant worship or Evangelical fellowship. Pastors and ministers like Rev. Anthony Pezzotta pray lengthily, oftentimes using grandiloquent words for effective histrionic effect. It is noticeable that in almost every service, they repeat their rather bombastic and intensely emotional prayers. The pastors’ and ministers’ flair for theatrics in praying is truly remarkable. They always seem to be haranguing God and their congregation.
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In attacking the Rosary as “repetitive prayer” Pezzotta should have used the King James Version instead. For praying the Rosary, Catholics are often accused of “vain repetition” by Protestants pointing to Matthew 6:7 of their King James Version of the Bible:
"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking."
The Protestant attack on the Rosary as “vain repetition” is based on an erroneous translation of the Bible. The original Greek text of Matthew 6:7 (which Pezzotta never mentions) states:
"Proseuchomenoi de mE battalogEsEte hOsper hoi ethnikoi dokousin gar hoti en tE polulogia autOn eisakousthEsontai."
The root word of “battalogEsEte” is “battalogeo” which is better translated as “babbling.” Protestant scholars already realized their mistake. They corrected the error and rendered Matthew 6:7 in the New International Version as:
And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
Thus, for deliberately changing the Word of God, Protestant (mis)translators “have perverted the words of the living God” (Jer. 23:36).
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We see an example of vain repetition by pagans In 1 Kings 18:25-29. The prayer of the prophets of Baal is obviously “vain repetition.” In the first place, they are addressed to a false god who cannot hear them. One definitely does not need to leap around, cut oneself and cry out loud from morning until afternoon in praying to a non-existent being.
In Chapter 19 of the Acts of the Apostles, we find the Ephesians repeatedly heaping praises on their goddess Diana: “Great is Diana of the Ephesians!” (Acts 19:28; 34). Certainly, that is empty repetition because they are praising a non-existent being. In fact, Paul was persuading the Ephesians to abandon their idol worship (Acts 19:26). Paul’s preaching angered the populace because it threatened their trade of making silver temples and idols. If Paul would be successful, they would have to close shop.
Actually, Matthew 6:7 condemns the “babbling” of pagans. What does “babbling” mean? In Today’s English Version which Pezzotta quotes, Matthew 6:7 is rendered:
When you pray, do not use a lot of meaningless words, as the pagans do, who think that their gods will hear them because their prayers are long.
The Amplified Bible renders the same verse as:
"And when you pray, do not heap up phrases (multiply words, repeating the same ones over and over) as the Gentiles do, for they think they will be heard for their much speaking."
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We should always remember that what counts most in our prayer life is our sincerity. We have to mean what we say. Our Lord insists on this when He said: “These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me” (Mt. 15:8, NIV). What we say should come from our heart because “the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart” (Mt. 15:18, NIV).
The Bible does not condemn repetitious prayer per se. In fact, Our Lord Himself engaged in repetitious prayer during His agony in the garden. In Matthew 26:44, we are told: "So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, saying the same thing.”
If Pezzotta is correct in saying that Jesus is against “repetitive prayers” then the Lord Himself ate His own words and contradicted His own teaching.
As Catholics, we take Jesus as our Model in our prayer life: “Lord, teach us to pray” (Lk. 11:1). Jesus is our example in everything we say or do, as He Himself told us: “I have given you an example, that as I have done to you, so you do also” (Jn. 13:15, DRV). We Catholics follow His example because He said: “Learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart” (Mt. 11:29).
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In Luke 18:9-14, we read about the prayer of the tax collector. In that passage, the original Greek text uses the imperfect tense meaning that the tax collector "kept beating his breast and saying, “Have mercy on me O Lord, a sinner.”
The angels in heaven also engage in a repetitious prayer of adoration before the thrice-holy God as indicated in Revelations 4:8:
"And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come."
The Book of Psalms occupies a place of honor in Jewish Liturgy (and in Christian Liturgy as well). It is a treasury of prayers for almost any thing. The Book of Psalms is repetitiously used in the Liturgy of the People of God in which Our Lord Himself participated. Psalm 136 is an antiphonal Psalm with the refrain “for His mercy endures forever.” This same refrain is mentioned in Psalm 106:1, 107:1, 118: 1-4, 29 which parallels 2 Chronicles 5:13, 7:3,6.
An ejaculatory prayer, “Praise the Lord!” is mentioned countless times in the Bible (See: Ps. 116:17, 111:1, 112:1, 135:1, 146:1, 147:1). So-called “Born Again Christians” like Dr. Pezzotta are fond of shouting “Praise the Lord!” whenever they can without realizing that they are actually engaging in repetitious prayer.
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The Jews also pray “Our help is in the name of the Lord” repetitiously (Ps. 121:2, 124:8). Jews also repeat a number of times the interjection “Amen” (Ps. 89:52) like we Christians do. Finally, Psalm 120:164 tells us: “Seven times a day do I praise thee because of thy righteous judgments.”
Jesus gave us two parables to illustrate that persistence and repetitious prayer can be just the right approach (Lk. 11:5-13, Luke 18:2-5). Our Lord taught us to “pray always” (Lk. 21:36). Jesus told His Apostles that “they should always pray and not give up” (Lk. 18:1). St. Paul the Apostle exhorts us to “pray without ceasing” (1 Thess. 5:17). He engaged in repetitious prayer himself: “For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me” (2 Cor. 12:8). Clearly, St. Paul practiced what he preached.
Formulary prayers are not the only prayers Catholics pray. The Catholic Church has a beautiful theology of prayer that Pezzotta should have known as a Catholic priest. The Church encourages her children to engage in spontaneous prayer, vocal prayer, mental prayer, contemplative or meditative prayer, liturgical prayer, as well as a host of other forms of prayer constituting her inexhaustible treasury of prayers that ascend like fragrant incense to the throne of the Almighty.
In praying, Catholics are not bound by the language of exact science or precise theology. We speak the language of love. By using the language of love, we are bound to repeat ourselves to impress to our beloved our beautiful message of love. Our loved ones do not get tired of hearing the same words from us, especially if they come from the innermost recesses of our heart. We can never say “I love you” enough. We believe that God appreciates our language of love because “God is love” (1 Jn. 4:16).
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Though you will slap this answer to their face, still ,they will not listen to you, then ,we will know that they are only selecting the verses in the Scripture they wanted to believe.
ReplyDeleteMy mentality before, is the same with them, because I experienced to be converted to the Southern Baptist, for we are taking literally what was said in the Matthew 6.
May their eyes be opened also , like me.
MAY THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD OPEN THEIR EYES TO THE TRUTH OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH AS HE DID TO YOU.
ReplyDeleteThere is much you can heal through prayer and the rosary. I found a great website that has a link that allows you to pray the rosary with others. It is just fantastic and I feel it is important to share good finds with others.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.therosarycellar.com/pray_the_rosary
God Bless!
a simple question:
ReplyDeleteDid St. Paul,St. Peter, James, Mark..and the other First Apostles teach or prayed the rosary?
[a simple question:
ReplyDeleteDid St. Paul,St. Peter, James, Mark..and the other First Apostles teach or prayed the rosary?]
Did St. Paul, St. Peter, James, Mark and the other first Apostles teach the canon of Scripture and bring with them a hardbound Bible in preaching as your pastors and ministers do now?
My answer to your question is the same as your answer to my question.
Did St. Paul, St. Peter, James, Mark and the other first Apostles teach the canon of Scripture and bring with them a hardbound Bible in preaching as your pastors and ministers do now?]
ReplyDeleteI think this question is out of line po..
[The question is very much in line. Because it has the same premise as yours. Now, if your premise is valid, then I have all the right to follow it. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.]
Pilosopong kangkong…
[Sana mahanapan mo ng talata sa Biblia na nagsasabi ng “pilosopong kangkong” para ma-validate ang pag-gamit mo nito batay na rin sa premise mo.
Isa pa, ang pamamaraan na ginamit ko ay pamamaraan ni Cristo. Ang tanong ay maaari ding sagutin ng katanungan. Ngayon, kung tutol ka dapat tutulan mo rin ang pamamaraan ni Cristo. Kung wala kang tutol sa pamamaraan ni Cristo, eh dapat ganun din sa mga sumusunod sa halimbawa ni Cristo. Otherwise, DOUBLE STANDARD iyan, kapatid.]
If really the rosary is a important teaching…Why didn't the apostles speak about it?
[The same thing with the canon of Scripture. If it is an important teaching, why did they not list down the canon themselves? Again, I am just borrowing your premise to test its validity to the outmost.]
Paul wrote to the Corinthians twice, to Timothy twice, Titus, to the Thessalonians, to the Hebrews, and also to ROME.
[Yes, I know. But in all those letters, I have yet to find Paul listing the canon of Scripture. I think that is very important. But he left that out. ]
Did he ever, even once, speak or teach about the rosary???
[Neither did he speak once, twice, thrice or any number of times regarding the canon of Scripture. So what’s the point? Again, I am just using your premise.]
When did the rosary started in the First place???
[The fact that you are asking means that you don’t know it’s history.]
Baka abong abo na yung mga apostol dun lang lumitaw..IMBENTO…
[Kagaya ng mga sekta at iglesia ninyo na bagong-bago. Brand new. Ngayon lang nagsipagsulputan at naglipana. Bata nga ni abo na ng mga apostol eh wala nab ago nagsipagsulputan na parang mga kabuti ang mga tagapagtatag ng samahan ninyo. Katunayan, mas nauna pa naman na di hamak ang Rosario kaysa sa mga samahan ninyo. Ibig sabihin, IMBENTO ang mga iglesia ninyo. Ayun na rin sa lohika mo.]
Kung si San Pablo, Juan, Santiago...PATI SI SAN PEDRO HINDI NAGROSARYO PERO NAGING MGA BANAL. HINDI KAILANGAN YAN...SAPAT ANG TURO NILA…
ReplyDelete[At saan namang aral ng Iglesia Katolika mababasa na ang pagrorosario lamang ang daan sa kabanalan? Saang aral naman naming mo nahablot na ang lahat eh dapat mag-rosario para maging banal?
Ganunpaman, papatulan ko uli at gagamitin ang lohika mo. Si San Pablo, Juan, Santiago pati si San Pedro ay kailanman hindi nagbasa ng hard-bound Bible o maging ng buong Bagong Tipan pero sila ay naging BANAL. Kaya, kung susundan ang premise at lohika mo, lalabas na hindi kailangan ang Biblia (according to its present canon) o maging ng buong Bagong Tipan.]
LET US LEARN FROM CHRIST AND FROM HIS FIRST STUDENTS… YUNG ANG SAFE AND SURE..=)
ReplyDelete[Sino naman sa palagay mo ang tumututol dito? Aba’y tupad na tupad namin ito. Kasi kahit kalian, hindi itinuro ni Cristo at ng mga Apostol na bawal ang pagrorosario. Walang talata ni sa paligid-ligid ng Biblia ang nagbabawal sa pagrorosario. Kaya wala kaming nilalabag na pagbabawal ng Panginoong Jesukristo, anupa’t pati ng kanyang mga Apostol.
Isa pa, napuna ko kapatid ang pagtawag mo ng SAN kina San Pablo, San Pedro, at iba pang mga apostol. Aba’y kung tama ang premise mo na dapat nasusulat sa Biblia, maaari ka bang magbigay ng talata sa Biblia na kung saan tinawag na SAN PEDRO si Pedro, SAN PABLO si Pablo, SAN JUAN si Juan, at iba pa? Kung wala kang letra por letrang mababasa, lumalabas na hindi ka makatotohanan sa pinaninindigan mong lohika.
Gagamitin ko ulit ang premise mo. Saan mo naman mababasa na tinawag ni Pedro si Pablo na SAN PABLO? Saan mo naman mababasa sa Biblia na tinawag ni Pablo si Pedro na SAN PEDRO? Saan mo naman mababasa sa Biblia na tinawag nila Pedro at Pablo si Juan ng SAN JUAN.
Kapatid, sana mapuna mo na ikaw ang tumaliis sa sarili mong tindig. Sana naman eh maging matapat ka. Huwag ka naman sana DOUBLE STANDARD.
Ang ginawa ko sa pagsagot sa iyo ay ang pag-gamit ng sarili mong panukat na ginamit mo sa amin. Alalaong baga'y winika ng Panginoong Jesus, "sa panukat na inyong isinusukat ay kayo'y susukatin" (4:24).
Goodmorning po..
ReplyDeleteAs i have analyze you are using your OWN PERSONAL LOGIC in answering my query.
may questions are very simple..let me make it clearer..
the topic is rosary :
- I have asked if nasa bible ang rosary..I did not say letter..kahit essence..or clue..anything dat pertains to the repetitions of our father..hail mary..etc..
yung lang po..regarding the canon of the scripture in essence nasa bible po yon..noon pamang nanngaral ang Panginoong Jesus meron ng KASULATAN..kaya ang style niya nung kausap niya si taning.."..NASUSULAT.."..noong king san Pablo ganun din..meron na..
and sa mga News testament KALOOBAN at UTOS ng DIOS na sila ay sumulat..yung narinig nila..nakita..IBABALITA don sa mga malayo..yung mga hindi nakarinig at nakakita..
at yung sinasabi mong canon..hindi nmn complete..meron mga sulat o aklat na hindi na nahanap..pero yung kalooban ng Dios na mabuo yung canon na sinasabi mo ngayon SAPAT nayon..mas SURE yon..kaysa sa imbento ng tao..
in essence nasa biblia yung sinasabi mong canon of scripture..
yung rosary..NABANGGIT BA NI SAN PABLO, SANTIANGO, JUAN..KAHIT SI SAN PEDRO NA UNANG PAPA sabi niyo?
o meron ba siyang nabanggit mang lang na pahapyaw?
[At saan namang aral ng Iglesia Katolika mababasa na ang pagrorosario lamang ang daan sa kabanalan? Saang aral naman naming mo nahablot na ang lahat eh dapat mag-rosario para maging banal?]
so tinatanggap mo na HINDI mahalaga yung rosary sa KABANALAN? kasi pwedi k nmn palang maging banal gaya ng naunang mga Christians kahit wala silang alam regarding reosary? =)
yun hirit mo nmn about "SAN"..-- non sence yon
yung hirit mo din na "HARD BOUND" -- non sense din..
yung inquiry ko ay sa BIBLE..hindi porke bible HARDBOUND..hindi porke kasulatan HARDBOOK..
mahiya kanmn po..masyado mababa ang logic at pagiisip..
be objective..
again the POINT IS ROSARY is just an INVENTION.
AND YOU CAN BE SAVED..OR YOU CAN BE HOLY WITHOUT THAT..
SAPAT NA YUNG TURO NG PANGINOON JESUS..SAPAT NA YUNG PINASULAT SA MGA APOSTOL..
NO NEED FOR INVENTIONS..
Goodmorning po..
ReplyDelete[Good morning din naman].
As i have analyze you are using your OWN PERSONAL LOGIC in answering my query.
[You are greatly mistaken again. It was your own premise that I used.]
may questions are very simple..let me make it clearer..
[And so my answers. I have no need to make my answers clearer because they are clear as crystal. It’s only you who can’t get it.]
the topic is rosary :
[Did I say that this is not the topic?]
- I have asked if nasa bible ang rosary..I did not say letter..kahit essence..or clue..anything dat pertains to the repetitions of our father..hail mary..etc..
[That was not your question. You are lying here. Everyone can read your post above. If you have suddenly suffered from an amnesia, here let me quote it:
“Did St. Paul,St. Peter, James, Mark..and the other First Apostles teach or prayed the rosary? “
Now, you have suddenly changed your question.]
yung lang po..regarding the canon of the scripture in essence nasa bible po yon.
ReplyDelete[Oh really? Wala kang referencia, kapatid. More so, show me the verses that says that the inspired books of Scripture are to be listed in a canon? I wonder if you can produce some. Now, I will ask you for these verses.]
.noon pamang nanngaral ang Panginoong Jesus meron ng KASULATAN..kaya ang style niya nung kausap niya si taning.."..NASUSULAT.."..noong king san Pablo ganun din..meron na..
[Aling Kasulatan iyon? Luman Tipan. Wala ni isang aklat ng Bagong Tipan ang nabasa ni Cristo.
Bagaman, hindi lamang ang NASUSULAT ang binabanggit ni Jesus. May mga BINABANGGIT din Siya na HINDI NASUSULAT. Tatalataan kita para mawari mo. Pero tumutol ka muna sa premise ko na may BINABANGGIT si Jesus na pawang mga hindi NASUSULAT. Ngayon, pag tumutol ka at may nabasa ako, TATANGGAPIN MO BA NA SALAT ANG KAALAMAN MO SA BIBLIA? Ngayon, kung HINDI KA TUTUTOL, eh kinain mo ang sinabi mo. MAMILI ka, kapatid. SAGOT.]
and sa mga News testament KALOOBAN at UTOS ng DIOS na sila ay sumulat..yung narinig nila..nakita..IBABALITA don sa mga malayo..yung mga hindi nakarinig at nakakita..
ReplyDelete[Ito ay kathang aral. Wala kang mababasa sa Ebanghelyo na ang Panginoong Jesus ay nag-utos na MAGSULAT. Katunayan, tanging as aklat ng Apokalipsis lamang nag-utos si Jesus na sumulat at si San Juan lamang ang kaniyang inutusan (Apoc. 1:11). Kaya, kung ang premise mo ang pagbabatayan, aba’y dapat ang aklat ng Apokalipsis lamang ang Biblia sapagkat ito lamang ang tahasang binabanggit sa Bagong Tipan na inutos ng Panginoong Jesukristo na isulat.
Sisipiin ko ang sinabi mo para mabatid mo ang pagkakamali mo. Ang sabi mo IBABALITA. Tama. Sa anong pamamaraan? Sa pamamagitan ng PANGANGARAL – oral preaching – (Mt. 28:18-20) at wala kang mababasa ni sa paligid-ligid ng Ebanghelyo na inutos ni Cristo na ISULAT.
at yung sinasabi mong canon..hindi nmn complete..meron mga sulat o aklat na hindi na nahanap…
[Hindi mo naiintindihan ang sinasabi mo, kapatid. Ano ang ibig mong sabihin na hindi complete ang canon? Naku, tuliro ka na. Na-wingdang ka na nga. Hindi mo alam ang pagkakaiba ng canonicity sa inspiration.]
pero yung kalooban ng Dios na mabuo yung canon na sinasabi mo ngayon SAPAT nayon..mas SURE yon..kaysa sa imbento ng tao…
ReplyDelete[Imbento mo din iyang pinagsasabi mo. Magbigay ka ng TALATA na sinasabi na “kalooban ng Dios na mabuo ang canon”? Ngayon, kung wala kang maibigay na TALATA, lalabas na nag-iimbento ka ng aral. Kaya nga parang kinakain mo lang ang sinasabi mo.]
in essence nasa biblia yung sinasabi mong canon of scripture…
[Wala ka ngang TALATA na mailabas eh tapos sasabihin mong “in essence” nasa Biblia ang canon of Scripture. Ano ang essence na iyon, aber nga? Saan binabanggit sa Biblia ang “essence” na iyan ng canon of Scripture. Hmmm, mukhang puro versiculo laway at kapitulo daldal lang naibibigay mo kapatid. Aba’y TUMALATA ka sapagkat iyan ang tindig mo na dapat MABABASA. Ni isang talata eh wala ka man lang naisitas. YOU ARE NOT BEING BIBLICAL kapatid.]
yung rosary..NABANGGIT BA NI SAN PABLO, SANTIANGO, JUAN..KAHIT SI SAN PEDRO NA UNANG PAPA sabi niyo?
ReplyDelete[Inulit mo lang ang tanong mo dati. Para kang sirang plaka. Uulitin ko din ang tanong ko sa iyo. NABANGGIT BA NI SAN PABLO, SANTIAGO, SAN JUAN AT SAN PEDRO ANG 27 BOOKS NG BAGONG TIPAN? TINAWAG BA NG MGA APOSTOL ANG BAWAT NA ISA NA “SAN”? Yan ang premise mo. Ibinabalik ko lang sa iyo.
Sana maunawaan mo na hindi ko tanggap ang premise mo. A wrong premise leads to a wrong conclusion. Now, you have to prove and convince me that your premise is correct to that we can argue using the same methodology. That is why, as you noticed, I kept on insisting to test your premise down to its logical extreme to ascertain its validity. So far, you have not established the validity of your premise.]
o meron ba siyang nabanggit mang lang na pahapyaw?
[Maraming nabanggit kapatid. Hindi mo lang alam kasi wala kang alam sa Banal na Kasulatan at wala sa iyo ang pagkasi ng Espiritu Santo spagkat ikaw ay nasa huwad na iglesia]
[At saan namang aral ng Iglesia Katolika mababasa na ang pagrorosario lamang ang daan sa kabanalan? Saang aral naman naming mo nahablot na ang lahat eh dapat mag-rosario para maging banal?]
so tinatanggap mo na HINDI mahalaga yung rosary sa KABANALAN? kasi pwedi k nmn palang maging banal gaya ng naunang mga Christians kahit wala silang alam regarding reosary? =)
ReplyDelete[Una, wala kang referencia na naipakita kaya bumuwelta ka ng tanong.
Bueno, pagbibigyan kita. Tama ka diyan. Kaya nga hindi itinuturo ng Santa Iglesia na ang Rosario ay “necessary” for holiness. It is RECOMMENDED as A MERE HELP. Kung away mo, huwag mo. Walang masama dun. Hindi ka naman magkakasala kung hindi ka magrosario. Ngunit kung nagrosario ka at nakatulong sa iyo, aba’y mainam. Praise the Lord! You see, hindi mo kasi alam ang stand ng Santa Iglesia pero tinututulan mo ang hindi naman niya inaaral. “Datapuwa't ang mga ito'y nangalipusta sa anomang bagay na hindi nila nalalaman: at sa mga bagay na talagang kanilang nauunawa, ay nangagpapakasira na gaya ng mga kinapal na walang bait” (Judas 10).
yun hirit mo nmn about "SAN"..-- non sence yon
ReplyDelete[Tingnan mo, wala ka talagang unawa. Ang hirit ko sa “San” ay pagsuri sa premise mo. Naghahanap ka ng halimbawa ng mga apostol at ipinatungkol mo iyon sa aming pagrorosario. So, malinaw na para sa iyong kaisipan, ang dapat na gagawin lamang ng mga tunay na mananampalataya ay ang ginagawa ng mga apostol. Ngayon, tawag ka ng tawag ng “SAN” kina Pedro, Juan, Pablo, etc. Kaya nga hinanapan kita ng halimbawa, batay sa talataan ng Biblia, na tinawag ng mga apostol na “SAN” ang bawat isa. Sapagka’t wala kang maipakitang talata, sasabihin mo “nonsense.” Ikaw ang nonsense kapatid. Walang katuturan ang mga tutol mo kasi ang premise mo ay hindi mo mapanindigan.]
yung hirit mo din na "HARD BOUND" -- non sense din..
ReplyDelete[Bwelta lamang ito sa iyo kapatid. Kasi naghahanap ka ng katunayan kung ang mga apostol ay nagrosario, kaya hinanapan din kita ng sitas na nagpapatunay na ang mga apostol ay nangaral na may hawak na HARD BOUND BIBLE gaya ng ginagawa ng mga mangangaral ngayon. Ang premise mo din ang sinundan ko. So kung mali ang premise mo, eh wala palang kakwenta-kwenta kaya nonsense. Nonsense ang pamamaraan mo kaya ng sinuri at inilapag sa ibang halimbawa eh lumalabas na nonsense sa iyo. I hope you realize the nonsensicality of your argument or premise backfires on you.]
yung inquiry ko ay sa BIBLE..hindi porke bible HARDBOUND..hindi porke kasulatan HARDBOOK..
ReplyDelete[Wala akong sinasabing ganiyan. Nagsisinungaling ka na naman. May premise ba ako na porke hindi na Kasulatan? Paki-sipi nga kung may sinabi akong ganun? Kung wala kang masipi, sinungaling ka nga at namamaratang pa.
Ang mahirap sa iyo, wala kang unawa. Uulitin ko. Ang premise mo ang ginamit ko. Para sa iyo eh dapat ang ginagawa natin ay batay sa ginawa ng mga apostol. Ngayon, nagtanong ako hinggil sa naoobserbahan ko. Ang mga mangangaral ngayon ay may hawak-hawak na Biblia (hardbound). Pamamaraan ba ito ng pangangaral ng mga apostol? May halimbawa bang iniwan ang mga apostol? Aba’y kung wala, eh bakit ginagawa ito. Ganun na ganon ang argument mo kaya pinatos ko. Mantakin mong para sa iyo pala eh nonsense iyon. Nonsense ka pala eh.]
mahiya kanmn po..masyado mababa ang logic at pagiisip..
ReplyDelete[Talab sa iyo iyan kapatid. Tingnan mo iyan. Premise mo ang ginamit ko pero ang labas pala sa iyo eh mababa ang logic at pag-iisip. Di ba saiyo galing ang premise na iyon? Ito o: “Did St. Paul,St. Peter, James, Mark..and the other First Apostles teach or prayed the rosary? “
So, to test its validity, I paraphrase it: “Did St. Paul, St. Peter, James, Mark and the other First Apostles PREACH USING A HARDBOUND BIBLE?”
Ang sagot mo, masyado mababa ang logic at pag-iisip. Eh logic at pag-iisip mo iyon eh. Ginamit ko lang. Kaya nga, dapat kang MAHIYA. Kahiya-hiya pala pala sa iyo ang logic at mababang pag-iisip na iyon. Siguro hiyang hiya ka na ano?]
be objective..
ReplyDelete[Very much. That’s why I didn’t use my own reasoning or premise. I MERELY FOLLOWED YOURS].
again the POINT IS ROSARY is just an INVENTION.
[And so is your church]
AND YOU CAN BE SAVED..OR YOU CAN BE HOLY WITHOUT THAT.
[As I already pointed out which you simply don’t get the point, the rosary is not necessary for salvation or holiness, but it is a means, an aid or a help to achieve it. I personally experience it and so with millions more. If you don’t like, then don’t. We don’t force you. You can take it or leave it.]
SAPAT NA YUNG TURO NG PANGINOON JESUS…
[At saan mahihinuha ang mga turo ni Jesus? Sa Biblia, oo. Pero hindi sa Biblia lamang. Sola scriptura is a man-made INVENTION that you follow]
Slamat po...
ReplyDeleteKatuwa...
I really learn a lot.
This blog is such a blessing to me!
Thanks po fr. Abe. :D
At kay Bro. Arwin, galing.
I will defend the Catholic Faith!
The more you know your Catholic Faith, the more you love it!
-Tom Peterson
GOD BLESS YOU BRO. SIMON JAKE.
ReplyDeleteThank you to Bro. Simon Jake. You know, we have the fulness of Truth. That is why, no matter how the enemies of the faith try to twist it, we can defend our Holy Mother the Church.
ReplyDeleteGod bless you, as you defend our holy Catholic Faith.
@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteSUPALPAL KA NANAMAN KAPATID! ABA'Y PULANGPULA NA ANG MAGKABILANG PISNGI MO SA KASASAMPAL NI BROD MARS AH! AHAHHAHAHAHA!
SIGE HIRIT PA KAPATID, AT MAKAKATIKIM KA PA NG "SPIRITUAL SAMPAL, TADYAK, BIGWAS" KAY BRO. MARS.