Alceo Dossena Madonna and Child, St Giovannino, St Anne and two Cherubs in the style of Donatello
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Hi Fr. Abe,
I'm not too familiar with the RH bill. I am a catholic, however, one of the things which I don't necessarily agree is the stand of the church against contraception. I believe every human being has a choice which is why God has given us free will, to make our own choice. The church is there to guide us in making sure that we make the "right" (according to the society's norms) choice. The Church should never dictate to the people what they should do as human nature would tell us, the more you try to control the people the more they will retaliate. Having said that, I'm not saying that the Church must approve of contraception, all I'm saying is that the Church must provide the people the choice. If the bill is there (sorry, I'm not too familiar with the bill), does that mean all the people will adopt it?It means, the people are given the choice.
In this entire saga, I'm just disappointed why the Church is reacting like this. They have said their point but I'm sure the Church has more pressing issues that she needs to solve too. This issue - population control, is not only a MORAL issue but a SOCIAL one which is why the government is trying to do something about it. Will the Church share the responsibility if more social problems are created if we don't try to curb the population explosion? I don't think so, at the end of the day, we blame it to the government, although I'm not saying they're not to be blamed, coz they also have faults. Be that as it may, I sincerely hope that the Church will stop bashing PNOY (or other Catholics)if he (they) support artificial contraception. At the end of the day, if the Church has really done a good job in inculcating to its people what is morally right, then the same people will do the right thing.
- Fr. Abe, CRS said...
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[Hi Fr. Abe,]
HELLO THERE.
[I'm not too familiar with the RH bill.]
I SUGGEST THAT YOU BE FAMILIAR WITH IT SO THAT YOU CAN SEE FOR YOURSELF THE ILLEGAL ELEMENTS CONTAINED THEREIN.
[I am a catholic, however, one of the things which I don't necessarily agree is the stand of the church against contraception.]
IT IS A PITY THAT YOU CHOSE TO DISOBEY THE FAITH AND MORALS OF YOUR OWN CHURCH. A CATHOLIC IS ONE WHO BELIEVES AND PRACTICES HIS CATHOLIC FAITH NOT THE FAITH AND PRACTICES OF ATHEISTS, CONDOMISTS, ABORTIONISTS AND ANTI-LIFE ADVOCATES.
IT PAINS ME THAT YOU CHOSE TO BE A TRAITOR TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND TO THE FAITH THAT ST. LORENZO RUIZ AND BLESSED PEDRO CALUNGSOD GAVE UP THEIR LIVES FOR.
[I believe every human being has a choice which is why God has given us free will, to make our own choice.]
IT IS TRUE THAT GOD GAVE US THE FREEDOM AND THE FREE WILL AND BECAUSE OF THEM WE DO HAVE A CHOICE. HOWEVER, GOD ALSO ASKED US TO CHOOSE WHAT IS GOOD AND AVOID WHAT IS EVIL. GOD DIDN'T SAY THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A FREE WILL WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT. BECAUSE THERE IS SUCH A THING AS GOOD AND EVIL. IF FREEDOM IS ABSOLUTE BECAUSE WE HAVE A CHOICE THEN WE HAVE TO GLORIFY SATAN WHO CHOSE TO BE A TRAITOR TO GOD WHO CREATED HIM, THEN WE HAVE TO HONOR THE MURDERERS AND THE RAPISTS BECAUSE THEY FOLLOWED THEIR PREFERRED CHOICE. THE HOSTAGE-TAKING OF MENDOZA IN LUNETA WAS HONORABLE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
WHAT IS GOOD AND WHAT IS EVIL? EVERYTHING THAT IS LIFE-GIVING, LIFE ENHANCING, LIFE-PROMOTING IS GOOD AND EVERY THING THAT DESTROYS, HARM AND PREVENT LIFE IS EVIL.
CONTRACEPTION IS EVIL BECAUSE IT PREVENTS LIFE.
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[The church is there to guide us in making sure that we make the "right" (according to the society's norms) choice.]
WRONG.
THE CHURCH IS THERE TO GUIDE US IN MAKING SURE THAT WE MAKE THE "RIGHT" CHOICE ACCORDING TO THE NORMS OF GOD... NOT OF THE SOCIETY. THE SOCIETY IS EASILY GOVERNED BY MOB RULE AND BY CAPRICES OF THE FEW. MOST OF THE TIME IT CHOOSES WHAT IS CONVENIENT RATHER THAN WHAT IS REALLY GOOD. DUE TO THE INFLUENCE OF SIN THE HUMAN PERSON IS INCAPABLE OF GENUINELY CHOOSING GOD OVER THE DESIRES OF THE FLESH, MONEY, POWER AND PRESTIGE. THIS SINFULNESS CAN ONLY BE OVERCOME BY THE GRACE OF GOD.
- WE NEED THE GRACE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN MAKING THE RIGHT CHOICES AND ONE OF THE GIFTS GIVEN US BY GOD TO GUIDE US IS THE CHURCH 'THE PILLAR AND GROUND OF TRUTH' ACCORDING TO ST. PAUL [cf. 1 Timothy 3:15].
[The Church should never dictate to the people what they should do as human nature would tell us,]
I THINK YOU ARE IGNORANT OF WHAT THE CHURCH IS. THE CHURCH BEING THE BODY OF CHRIST IS THE MOTHER AND TEACHER OF HER MEMBERS. IT IS HER DUTY TO TEACH ER MEMBERS WHAT IS GOOD AND WHAT IS EVIL ESPECIALLY THE SPIRITUAL AND MORAL PRINCIPLES INVOLVING THE SOCIAL ISSUES CONFRONTING THE PEOPLE TODAY LIKE CONTRACEPTION AND ABORTION.
IT IS DEMONIC TO SAY THAT THE CHURCH SHOULD JUST BE SILENT AND ALLOW HER MEMBERS TO DO WHAT THEY WANT. THOSE WHO WANT TO COMMIT ADULTERY THEY JUST DO IT. THOSE WHO WANT TO STEAL THEY MUST BE ALLOWED TO DO IT. SO, WHY DON'T YOU TELL THE GOVERNMENT TO RELEASE THE AMPATUAN SINCE THEY MADE A CHOICE TO KILL? WHY DO WE HAVE TO PUT THEM TO TRIAL AND IMPRISON THEM FOR THEIR CHOICES? YOUR REASONING IS ABSURD... HAVE YOU NOT REALIZED THAT EVEN OSAMA BIN LADEN AND HIS 911 TEAM OF TERRORISTS FOLLOWED THEIR FREE CHOICE TOO?
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS A RELIGION THAT TEACHES HER DOCTRINES TO PEOPLE. HOW CAN YOU STILL CLAIM THAT YOU ARE A CATHOLIC IF YOU ARE NO LONGER BELIEVING CATHOLIC TEACHINGS, PRINCIPLES AND METHODS OF GOVERNING? I BELIEVE THAT WHEN YOUR GOVERNMENT ASK YOU TO PAY YOUR TAXES AND MUST PASS AN EXAMINATION BEFORE GETTING A PUBLIC LICENSE YOU WILL OBEY IT NO MATTER HOW DIFFICULT. YET THE BENEVOLENT TEACHING AUTHORITY OF YOUR CHURCH IS BECOMING BURDENSOME FOR YOU TO THE POINT THAT YOU HAVE ABANDONED IT IN FAVOR OF PAGAN MENTALITIES OR THE 'SEXED CULTURE' OF THE WEST.
YOU ARE FREE TO DISOBEY THE CHURCH, BUT YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO TELL YOUR CHURCH TO STOP TEACHING HER MEMBERS. WE WILL DO IT AS LONG AS THERE IS STILL ONE PERSON WHO IS WILLING TO LISTEN TO US. AND EVEN IF THAT ONE WILL BECOME A TRAITOR LIKE YOU, WE WILL STILL SPEAK TO THE STONES AND TO WINDS THE TRUTH OF OUR FAITH IF NO ONE ELSE WILL LISTEN.
ASKING US TO STOP TEACHING IS LIKE IMPRISONING THE WIND.
[the more you try to control the people the more they will retaliate.]
WE DO NOT TRY TO CONTROL THE PEOPLE. THEY CAN INSERT HOW MANY CONDOMS THEY WANT TO INSERT IN THEIR BODIES. THEY CAN EVEN SWALLOW THEM IF THEY WANT. THEY CAN DRINK A FULL BOX OF PILLS IN ONE SHOT WITHOUT A SINGLE PRIEST OR NUN TO STOP OR CONTROL THEM. NO, NO, NO...
WE ARE ONLY TEACHING AND PREACHING. AND WE ARE DOING IT INSIDE OUR CHURCHES AND IN OUR BLOGS OR WEBSITES OR IN OUR COLUMNS IN NEWSPAPERS OR ON RADIO OR TV RIGHT IN OUR PROGRAMS. WE NEVER ENTER YOUR HOUSES MUCH MORE YOUR BEDROOMS TO CONTROL YOU. NO, NO, NO...
YOU WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS IN THE REALMS OF YOUR PRIVACY. YOU CAN BED YOUR WIFE OR YOUR MISTRESS OR YOUR PET DOG OR A MONKEY BUT THE POPE, THE CARDINALS, BISHOPS AND PRIESTS SHALL NEVER KNOW. SO STOP HALLUCINATING THAT WE WILL CONTROL YOU. YOU ARE FREE LIKE A BIRD.
[Having said that, I'm not saying that the Church must approve of contraception,]
HOW NICE OF YOU. HOW VERY KIND. DO YOU WANT ME TO APPLAUSE FOR YOU?
OF COURSE, THE CHURCH SHALL NEVER APPROVE CONTRACEPTION. WHAT IS IMMORAL AND ANTI-LIFE SHALL NEVER BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE CHURCH. NEVER.
[all I'm saying is that the Church must provide the people the choice.]
YEAH, WE ARE PROVIDING YOU WITH A CHOICE. A CHOICE BETWEEN LIFE AND DEATH, GIVING LIFE OR PREVENTING LIFE. GOOD OR EVIL. WE ARE ASKING YOU TO CHOOSE WHAT IS GOOD AND IT IS YOU WHO WILL DECIDE IT NOT ME, NOT THE POPE, NOT THE BISHOP AND NOT THE CARDINAL.
THAT IS WHY YOUR CALL TO GIVE YOU THE CHOICE IS VERY PATHETIC. YOU ARE SHOWING ME THAT YOU ARE IGNORANT OF YOUR CATHOLIC FAITH BECAUSE THE CATHOLICS ARE THE FREEST PEOPLE IN THE WORLD.
[If the bill is there (sorry, I'm not too familiar with the bill), does that mean all the people will adopt it?It means, the people are given the choice.]
YEAH, THEY ARE GIVEN THE CHOICE TO USE THE CONDOMS OR NOT, TO DRINK THE PILLS OR NOT, TO CASTRATE THEMSELVES OR NOT. THEY CAN COMMIT SUICIDE OR EXTERMINATE OTHERS BY HAND GRENADE. BUT WE ARE IMPLORING THEM NOT TO DO THOSE THINGS AND INSTEAD CHOSE A LIFE WORTHY OF BEING SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF GOD.
SPECIFICALLY, WHAT THE CHURCH IS TELLING IS THAT IF YOU WANT TO BUY CONDOMS AND PILLS FOR THE USE OF YOUR OWN GENITALS AND THAT OF YOUR SEXUAL PARTNER THEN USE YOUR OWN MONEY NOT THE MONEY OF THE GOVERNMENT. BECAUSE THE MONEY OF THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT MEANT FOR YOUR SEXUAL ENJOYMENT BUT FOR INFRASTRUCTURES, EDUCATION AND MEDICAL NEEDS OF OUR PEOPLE.
FULFILL THE NEEDS OF YOUR LIBIDO WITH YOUR OWN MONEY DON'T INCLUDE THE MONEY OF THE CATHOLICS WHO ARE NOT TRAITORS TO GOD AND TO THE CHURCH AS YOU DO. WE SHALL NOT ALLOW YOU TO WALLOW AND BE INTOXICATED BY YOUR SEXUAL PROMISCUITY ON OUR POCKET'S BEHALF. O NO, NO, NO...
[In this entire saga, I'm just disappointed why the Church is reacting like this.]
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE REACTION OF THE CHURCH? SHE SIMPLY OPPOSES SOMETHING THAT SHE BELIEVES TO BE EVIL. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT?
IF OTHERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO SUPPORT THE RH BILL THE CHURCH TOGETHER WITH ALL FILIPINOS HAVE THE RIGHT TO OPPOSE IT. IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUT ON CONDOMS OR EVEN TO DRINK IT WITH WHISKEY OR BRANDY THEN WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO TEACH AGAINST IT. TEACHING AND PREACHING AGAINST A BELIEVED TO BE ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL LEGISLATIVE BILL IS NOT DEPRIVING OTHERS OF THEIR FREEDOM. SO WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH THAT?
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO OBEY YOUR CHURCH SO YOU ARE FREE TO LEAVE THE CHURCH OR FOUND YOUR OWN RELIGION. BE AN ATHEIST, A MOSLEM, A HINDU, A SNAKE-CHARMER, A SATANIST OR WHAT. NOT THAT I WANT YOU TO LEAVE. I WANT YOU TO STAY. BUT IF YOU STAY YOU BETTER STAY BECAUSE YOU ARE CONVINCED THAT YOUR CHURCH IS TEACHING YOU THE TRUTH COMING FROM GOD. IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THE TRUTH OF GOD IS IN CONDOMS OR IN NOYNOY AQUINO WHO IS PRO-RH BILL FINE. YOU CAN ATTEND MASSES WITH NOYNOY AQUINO AS YOUR HIGH PRIEST WITH RICO PUNO AND OCHOA AS YOUR CARDINALS WITH OTHER KABARKADA INCORPORATED. YOU CAN HAVE THE AUTHORS OF RH BILL LIKE EDCEL LAGMAN AS YOUR SPIRITUAL GUARDIANS.
IF YOU DO NOT TRUST THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS AND THE PRIESTS THEN TRUST THE POLITICIANS. THEY WILL LEAD YOU TO HEAVENLY LIFE BECAUSE THEY WILL BRING YOU TO THE TRUTH MORE THAN THE POPE. THE CONGRESSMEN ARE MORE HOLY, MORE VIRTUOUS, MORE MORAL, CLEANER AND MORE TRUSTWORTHY FOR YOU THAN YOUR POPE WHO IS SUPPOSE TO BE THE SUCCESSOR OF ST. PETER FOR CATHOLICS LIKE YOU AND ME.
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[They have said their point but I'm sure the Church has more pressing issues that she needs to solve too.]
THE CHURCH IS ACTIVE IN ALL PRESSING ISSUES THAT SHE NEEDS TO SOLVE TOO. SHE HAS BUILT MORE ORPHANAGES THAN THE GOVERNMENT WHICH IS RECEIVING OUR TAXES, SHE HAS MORE HOME FOR THE AGED, SHE HAS BUILT BETTER SCHOOLS THAN THE GOVERNMENT OWNED WHO ARE MOSTLY ROTTEN AND DECAPITATED.
[This issue - population control, is not only a MORAL issue but a SOCIAL one which is why the government is trying to do something about it.]
IT IS MORAL, SPIRITUAL, DOCTRINAL, SOCIAL, LEGAL, ETC.
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE POLITICIANS WILL HAVE IN HEART THE SOCIAL WELFARE OF THE PEOPLE OR THEY WERE MERELY PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BY THE CONDOM AND PILL'S MULTI-NATIONAL CORPORATIONS TO MAKE THE BODIES OF OUR WOMEN THE DUMPING SITES OF THEIR MEDICAL JUNKS?
[Will the Church share the responsibility if more social problems are created if we don't try to curb the population explosion?]
THERE WILL BE NO POPULATION EXPLOSION IF THE YOUNG PEOPLE SHALL BE TAUGHT MORAL AND SPIRITUAL VALUES OF VIRGINITY, CHASTITY AND PURITY. INSTEAD, THE CONDOMS AND THE PILLS PROMOTE SEXUAL PROMISCUITY THAT IS WHY THERE ARE SO MANY TEENAGE PREGNANCIES. IF THE COUPLES ARE FAITHFUL TO EACH OTHER THEN THERE WILL BE LESS PEOPLE TO BE BORN IN THE WORLD BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO CHILDREN OUTSIDE OF WEDLOCK. THE SOLUTION OF THE CHURCH IS CHEAPER BECAUSE IT REQUIRES NO MEDICINE TO TAKE BUT ONLY THE FORCE OF THE WILL FOR SELF-CONTROL AND RIGHTEOUS LIVING. IT IS SAFER BECAUSE THERE IS NO NEED OF ANY MEDICINE TO POLLUTE THE BODY.
THE CHURCH IS DOING ITS SHARE OF RESPONSIBILITY IN THE SOCIAL SPHERE. IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS FEEDING MORE STREET CHILDREN THAN THE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. TRY TO VISIT THE DSWD CENTERS. THEIR SOCIAL SERVICES ARE TOO SUPERFICIAL. GO TO THE CHARITABLE INSTITUTIONS OF THE PRIESTS AND NUNS: FREE EDUCATION, BOARD AND LODGING, TRAININGS FOR FINDING JOBS. GO TO DON BOSCO CENTERS, HOSPICIO DE SAN JOSE, AND COMPARE THEM TO THOSE GIVEN BY YOUR BELOVED CORRUPT GOVERNMENT AGENCIES.
THE CONGREGATION IN WHICH I BELONG HAS BUILT FIVE LARGE ORPHANAGES IN THE PHILIPPINES AND HAS GIVEN THOUSANDS OF SCHOLARSHIPS TO MANY STUDENTS FOR THE PAST 25 YEARS OF ITS PRESENCE IN THE PHILIPPINES. DO YOU KNOW THAT? DO YOU KNOW THAT IN THE WORLD THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS MORE INSTITUTIONS OF CHARITIES AND EDUCATION FOR THE POOR THAN THE UNITED NATIONS?
YOU ARE SPEAKING AS IF THE CHURCH IS NOT DOING SOMETHING FOR THE SOCIETY. EXCUSE ME. I ADVISE YOU TO LIST ALL DSWD INSTITUTIONS THEN VISITS ALL INSTITUTIONS OF MOTHER TERESA OR OF DON BOSCO OR OF DAUGHTERS OF CHARITY AND YOU WILL SEE WHICH IS MORE NUMEROUS AND BETTER IN QUALITY.
HERE IN SORSOGON THE DSWD INSTITUTION FOR THE POOR BOYS IS VERY POOR IN QUALITY BUT THOSE RUN BY THE PRIESTS AND NUNS ARE VERY VERY BEAUTIFUL AND LARGER. THERE ARE ONLY ABOUT 20 BOYS UNDER THE GOVERNMENT CENTER BUT THAT OF THE PRIESTS TAKE CARE OF MORE THAN 50 AND THE NUNS OF MORE THAN 30.
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WOW, Just wow Father Abe, God Bless you in all of you prayers, works, joys, and sufferings! What an amazing and in depth response, a testament to the doctrines, teachings, and faith of Holy Mother Church. It always grieves me deeply when someone claims to be catholic and then disregards the Churches teachings as archaic, obscure, or old fashioned. I you start a sentence with the words "I am a Catholic, but..." then you are NOT a Catholic. Period. The word Catholic means universal, to deny the Churches teachings, or regard them as incorrect, is to remove yourself from communion with the universality of the Church. Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach (to you) a gospel other than the one that we preached to you, let that one be accursed!
ReplyDeleteStay the course, fight the good fight, Finish the Race! Peace be with you.
Paul K.
The anonymous "catholic" wants to take God out of the equation in choosing what is good and evil.This is dangerous. Man's intellect cannot be trusted in knowing what is good and evil. This was proven in the Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the forbidden tree.Today people have that wrong notion that each conscience can be trusted as a lawmaker on its own. Conscience is only a discoverer of law inscribed by God in each man's heart. A conscience that is not morally formed cannot find that law but the "self" claiming to be god.
ReplyDeleteGreat job Father Abe! I call that "Spiritual and Intellectual spanking" hhehehe!
ReplyDeleteWell, I cannot help but feel sorry for this Anonymous who postured as a catholic. Like many others, he/she is so completely ignorant of Catholic moral teaching on the issues involved! To say its a shame would be an understatement! It would have been less painful for me if this guy was an atheist or an anti-catholic bigot or something else. I just hope that he/she will continue to seek understanding by visiting this blog often. Hopefully this guy will find it so we could add one more catholic who values his faith.
Once again, thank you Father for the great response!
Good day Mr. Arganiosa,
ReplyDeletemay gusto lang po akong sabihin at imungkahi.
hindi po ba ang Pilipinas ay may batas na nagsasabing ang state at ang church ay hindi kaylanman pwedeng magsama? kung gayon ay bakit po hinahadlangan ng catholic church ang mga proyekto ng gobyerno?
kung salungat sa paniniwala at doktrina ng catholic church ang proyekto ng gobyerno, hindi po ba ang dapat nilang pangaralan ay ang mga katolikong kanilang nasasakupan na huwag susundin ang proyekto na iyon sapagkat magkakasala sila sa Diyos at hindi ang gobyerno ang kanilang pinapaki-alaman?
Paano na lamang ang ibang mga pilipino na hindi katoliko, pati sila ay nadadamay at hindi nakikinabang sa proyektong sana ay gagawin ng gobyerno dahil lamang salungat ito sa paniniwala ng ilang relihiyon. pati sila tuloy ay napipilitang sundin ang aral ng isang relihiyon kahit hindi nila ito sinasampalatayanan.
ITO PO ANG AKING MUNGKAHI:
bakit hindi po hayaan nalamang ninyo na maipasa ang RH Bill, pagkatapos ay ipangaral o ipahayag nyo po sa mga katolikong inyong nasasakupan na huwag susundin ang mga parte ng batas na ito na labag sa aral ng inyong relihiyon. halimbawa, sabihin po ninyo sa kanila na huwag tatanggap at gagamit ng mga contraceptives na ipapamigay ng gobyerno. Hindi naman makakalabag sa batas kung ito ay inyong gagawin. at kung sakaling makakalabag sa batas ang inyong gagawing hakbang, maaari ninyong sabihin sa mga mambabatas na nakasulat sa Philippine Constitution ang freedom of belief at religious tolerance. sa gayong paraan ay nagawa ninyo ang inyong responsibilidad na magturo at gumabay sa mga katoliko at hindi ninyo napakialaman ang gobyerno pati na rin ang mga pilipinong hindi katoloko.
hindi ko po maintindihan kung bakit kailangan pa ng catholic church na paghimasukan ang mga balakin ng gobyerno samantalang wala naman silang power at karapatan na gawin ito, ang maaari lamang nilang gawin ay pangaralan, gabayan at pangasiwaan ang mga katoliko, hindi ang gobyerno o ang lahat ng Pilipino.
Ngunit heto ang isang tanong, kaya ba ng mga awtoridad katoliko na pasunurin ang kanilang mga nasaskupan? Mayroon ba talaga silang kapasidad na gabayan ang mga katolikong malilihis ng landas o ang kaya lamang nilang gabayan ay ang mga matagal nang sumusunod sakanila?
Hey, Fr. Abe!
ReplyDeleteLately, I have liked the Facebook page "I Oppose the RH Bill" due to the following reasons:
1. I believe that a real Catholic is expected to try hard to respect life and personal identity;
2. I have been noticing that the Katolikong Pinoy page is being breached by radicals who voice out their views without any/ with limited rational explanations; and
3. As a Filipino who abides in the Constitution, I could not sacrifice Article XV with the RH Bill. The thing that really makes me oppose this is not because I am a Catholic, but because it diminishes, or worse, snuffs respect, responsibility, and righteousness out of the body and out of the soul that lives within that body.
So the bottomline of my opposition is RESPECT. That is the reason why Carlos Celdran was arrested: he lacked it by protesting while Mass is going on.
More power to you, Father!
Mabuhay ang Panginoon!
Mabuhay ang Simbahang tinatag Niya!
Mabuhay ang Pilipinas!
(hndi po kasi ako mka-access dahil pinost ko ito habang nasa UST ako....)
--Ian Joseph Riñon
THANK YOU BRO. MANNY.
ReplyDeleteTHANK YOU TOO BRO. IAN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH BRO. PAUL.
ReplyDeleteThe Church' stand is clear. Contraception is not allowed. But it doesn't mean the Church want her members to procreate over and over again. A very silly reason which Pro-RH Bill insists to be the Church' doctrine.(to multiply numerously)
ReplyDelete1 - The Church also promotes responsible parenthood and Family planning. In fact, I am a student of a Catholic Institution and we were taught of responsible parenthood and Family planning in our Sociology Course by means of natural methods.
It is proven that those who follow Natural Family Planning live a grace-filled family life.
2- With regards of contraceptive-obsessed people. Condoms, Pills etc. are available in all drug stores in the Country. AND DON'T OBLIGED US CATHOLICS TO PAY FOR THEIR LUSTS.
3- RH Bill will promote promiscuity, had therE been free distribution of oral contraceptives. Are we sure that recipients would use it to control their "family population"? 99% NO NO NO! Rather it will be used to cover up their adultery and sexual desires.
IN SHORT ..
"SA MGA MAY ASAWA NA, MATAKOT KAYO PAG ANG ASAWA NINYO EH BIGYAN NG ORAL CONTRACEPTIVES NA LIBRE BAKA MAMAYA SA IBA GAMITIN YAN AT NAGTATRABAHO ANG MGA MABUBUTING KATOLIKO PARA MAY MAPAKAIN SA PAMILYA, AT HINDI PARA KALTASAN ANG KANILANG MGA TAX PAMBAYAD NG MGA CONTRACEPTIVES NG MGA TAONG WALANG PIGIL SA SARILI . WAG NIYO KAMING PAHIRAPAN,PWEDE BA??"
THANK YOU VERY MUCH BRO. BELTRAN. GOD BLESS YOU.
ReplyDeleteGreat post and response, Fr. Abe! Those words should I expect from our bishops to resound loudly so that frigid Catholics would come out from their slumber and wake up to this so-called "separation of Church and State!". What a masonic ideology!
ReplyDeleteGod bless you, Fra!
[Good day Mr. Arganiosa,]
ReplyDeleteMAGANDANG ARAW SA IYO.
[may gusto lang po akong sabihin at imungkahi.]
SABIHIN MO AT IMUNGKAHI MO.
[hindi po ba ang Pilipinas ay may batas na nagsasabing ang state at ang church ay hindi kaylanman pwedeng magsama?]
MALI.
BASAHIN MONG MABUTI ANG BATAS KASI PALPAK ANG SITAS MO NITO. ANG NAKASAAD AY 'SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE'. IBIG SABIHIN MAY SEPARASYON ANG IGLESIA AT ANG ESTADO. INSTITUSYON ANG TINUTUKOY DIYAN HINDI ANG MGA TAO. AKO CATOLICO AKO, SUBALIT FILIPINO RIN AKO. HINDI PWEDENG PAGHIWALAYIN ANG PANANAMPALATAYA KO BILANG CATOLICO AT ANG AKING MGA KARAPATAN BILANG PILIPINO.
KAYA ANG TINURAN MO AY MALI AT PALPAK.
ANG IBIG SABIHIN NG SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE AY WALANG GAGAWING STATE RELIGION ANG GOVIERNO. HINDI NIYA PAPABORAN ANG ISANG RELIHIYON LANG. SUBALIT ANG CHURCH AT ANG STATE AY MAGKATUWANG SA PAGLILINGKOD SA TAO. AT ANG MGA PARI, MADRE, PASTOR, IMAM, MINISTRO, MONKS, ETC. AY PWEDE PA RING BUMUTO, MAGSALITA SA LIPUNAN, MAGTURO AT GAMITIN ANG KANILANG MGA KARAPATAN BILANG TAO AT BILANG PILIPINO.
[ kung gayon ay bakit po hinahadlangan ng catholic church ang mga proyekto ng gobyerno?]
MALI AT PALPAK NA NAMAN. WALA SA KATOTOHANAN ANG TANONG MO E.
ANG CATHOLIC CHURCH ANG NUMBER ONE SUPPORTER NG GOVERNMENT SA MGA PROJECTS NITO SA EDUCATION, CHARITABLE WORKS, SOCIAL ISSUES LIKE JUSTICE AND PEACE, MUSIC, CULTURE AND ARTS AT IBA PA.
KAYA NAKAKAGULAT KASI TILA IGNORANTE KA SA KATOTOHANAN NA MAGKATUWANG ANG CATHOLIC CHURCH AT ANG GOVIERNO. ACTUALLY NGA SI FR. JOAQUIN BERNAS, DEAN OF ATENEO LAW SCHOOL AT SI BISHOP BACANI AY DALAWA SA MGA CATHOLIC LEADERS NA TUMULONG SA PAGBALANGKAS NG 1987 SALIGANG BATAS O CONSTITUTION NG PILIPINAS. ALAM MO BA YAN?
[kung salungat sa paniniwala at doktrina ng catholic church ang proyekto ng gobyerno, hindi po ba ang dapat nilang pangaralan ay ang mga katolikong kanilang nasasakupan na huwag susundin ang proyekto na iyon sapagkat magkakasala sila sa Diyos at hindi ang gobyerno ang kanilang pinapaki-alaman?]
ReplyDeleteGINAGAWA NAMIN IYAN. SUBALIT ANG GUSTO NG MGA RH BILL PROPONENTS AY GAMITIN ANG PERA NG GOBIERNO UPANG IPAMBILI NG MGA CONDOMS NA ISUSUOT NG MGA LALAKING PRO RH BILL SA KANILANG MGA BAYAG AT ISASAKSAK NAMAN NILA SA PUERTA NG KANILANG MGA BABAE. ABA, IBANG USAPAN NA YAN. KUNG GUSTO NILANG MAGCONDOM E PERA LANG NILA ANG GAMITIN NILA. WAG NILANG ISAMA ANG TAXES NAMIN.
KUNG GUSTO NG ISANG BABAE NA UMINOM NG GAMOT PARA DUGUIN SIYA AT MAMAGA ANG KANYANG BAHAY BATA PARA LUMABAS ANG PUNLANG ISINAKSAK SA KANYANG KATAWAN E GAMITIN NYA ANG PERA NYA AT HINDI ANG PERA NG BAYAN.
ISA PA, GUSTO NG MGA RH BILL SUPPORTERS NA PILITIN ANG LAHAT NG EMPLOYERS NA SUSTENTOHAN NG CONDOMS AT PILLS ANG MGA EMPLEYADO NILA. ABA SOBRA NA YAN. WALANG SAPILITAN. KUNG GUSTO MONG GASGASIN ANG BAHAY BATA NG IYONG BABAE NA SUOT SUOT ANG CONDOM E WAG MO KAMING IDAMAY SA KAHAYUPAN MO. KAYO NA LANG. BAKIT PATI MGA EMPLOYERS AY PIPILITIN? ANG KAPAL NYO NAMAN. KAYO NA NGA ANG MAGTITIRAHAN E IDADAMAY MO PA KAMI. PERSONAL NYO YAN KAYA WAG NYONG IDAMAY ANG PUBLIC FUNDS.
KUNG GUSTO MO NG CONDOMS AT PILLS HUMINGI KA NG PAMBILI KAY MANALO, SORIANO, EDDIE VILLANUEVA, ETC. HA, HA, HA...
[Paano na lamang ang ibang mga pilipino na hindi katoliko, pati sila ay nadadamay at hindi nakikinabang sa proyektong sana ay gagawin ng gobyerno dahil lamang salungat ito sa paniniwala ng ilang relihiyon.]
MALI KA NA NAMAN. HA, HA, HA...
LAHAT NG GUSTONG MAGCONDOM AY PWEDE NILANG GAWIN YON NGAYON. FOR SALE ANG MGA PILLS SA MGA BOTIKA. ANG INAANGALAN NAMIN E YUNG PINIPILIT KAMI. KUNG GUSTO MO E DI GAWIN MO. UMINOM KA NG CONDOM... ESTE PILLS PALA. DAMIHAN MO NA PARA MAMATAY KAYO AGAD AT KUMONTI ANG POPULATION. HE, HE, HE... PARA MAS MALAKI ANG PIZZA NA KAKAININ NAMIN SA PIZZA HUT, AT GREENWITCH.
[pati sila tuloy ay napipilitang sundin ang aral ng isang relihiyon kahit hindi nila ito sinasampalatayanan.]
ReplyDeleteHINDI. MALI KA DIYAN. YUN NGANG GUSTONG MAKIAPID HINDI NAMIN MAHADLANGAN YUN PA KAYANG GUSTONG MAGTIRAHAN NG MAY CONDOM SA PAGITAN NG HITA AT SA LIKOD. HINDI. MALAYA SILANG MAGAGAWA ANG GUSTO NILA.
BUMILI KA NG CONDOM SA BUTICA AT ISUOT MO AGAD. WALANG PARING DARATING PARA PIGILAN KA. WALANG WALA.
KAYA PWEDE BA TIGILAN MO NA ANG ILUSYON MO NA HINAHADLANGAN KAYO NG SIMBAHAN SA CONDOM AT PILLS. GAWIN NYO PARA KUMONTE ANG LAHI NYO AT DUMAMI ANG LAHI NG MGA FAITHFUL CATHOLICS. SANA MAGING TAG-IISA NA LANG ANG MGA ANAK NYO O WALA NA PARA KUMONTE ANG POPULATION NYO NANG ANGKAN NYO.
SIGE, GAWIN NYO. C'MMON, THAT'S GOOD FOR YOU AND FOR US. HA, HA, HA...
[ITO PO ANG AKING MUNGKAHI:]
ReplyDeleteTALAGA. ANG BAIT MO NAMAN. SANA TULUNGAN KA NI LORD NA KUMONTI ANG MAGING LAHI MO PARA SA KABUTIHAN NG DAIGDIG. PARA MAS MARAMING KAININ ANG IBANG TAO.
[bakit hindi po hayaan nalamang ninyo na maipasa ang RH Bill, pagkatapos ay ipangaral o ipahayag nyo po sa mga katolikong inyong nasasakupan na huwag susundin ang mga parte ng batas na ito na labag sa aral ng inyong relihiyon.]
A HINDI. HINDI NAMIN HAHAYAAN IYAN. BAKBAKAN IYAN. KUNG GUSTO MONG GAMITIN ANG TAXES NAMIN PARA SA CONDOM NG IYONG BAYAG ILALABAN KO NG BAKBAKAN ANG KADA SINGKO NA IBABAYAD KO SA TAX. NO WAY.
[halimbawa, sabihin po ninyo sa kanila na huwag tatanggap at gagamit ng mga contraceptives na ipapamigay ng gobyerno.]
SINO KA PARA SABIHIN SA AMIN KUNG ANO ANG IPANGANGARAL NAMIN? BAKIT ANG IBANG RELIHIYON BA PINAKIKIALAMAN NAMIN?
KAPAG ANG GOBIERNO AY MAGPAPATUPAD NG BATAS NA MASAMA KARAPATAN NAMING LABANAN ANG BATAS NA IYAN. NILABANAN NAMIN NG ILANG TAON SI MARCOS, GAYON DIN SI ESTRADA. HINDI SI NOYNOY ANG KATATAKUTAN NG SANTA IGLESIA. LALO NA NA KITANG KITA NA MAS MAHAL NI NOYNOY SI RICO PUNO KESA SA KATARUNGAN NG 8 TAO NA NAGBUWIS NG BUHAY. NO WAY.
[Hindi naman makakalabag sa batas kung ito ay inyong gagawin.]
LABAG SA AMING CONSCIENCIA AT FAITH YON. KAYA HINDI NAMIN MATATANGGAP.
LABAG DIN SA BATAS YON. KASI NIYUYURAKAN NG GOBIERNO ANG AMING KARAPATAN NA HADLANGAN ANG IMMORAL AT ILLEGAL NA BATAS. IMAGINE, PIPILITIN ANG LAHAT NG PILIPINO NA SUPORTAHAN AT IPALAGANAP ANG CONTRACEPTION USING PUBLIC MONEY PARA LANG SA MGA CONDOMS NG BAYAG MO. E KUNG MALIBOG KA, KAWAWA NAMAN ANG GOBIERNO DAPAT ITAAS ANG TAX PARA MASUPORTAHAN ANG KALIBUGAN MO. KAWAWA NAMAN KAMI HINDI SA INFRASTRUCTURE AT EDUCATION MAPUPUNTA ANG TAXES, MAPUPUNTA SA KALANDIAN NG BABAE MO AT SA KAKATIHAN NG KATAWAN MO. NO WAY.
[at kung sakaling makakalabag sa batas ang inyong gagawing hakbang, maaari ninyong sabihin sa mga mambabatas na nakasulat sa Philippine Constitution ang freedom of belief at religious tolerance.]
ReplyDeleteSINASABI NGA NAMIN SA MGA MAMBABATAS YAN E.
MARAMING MAMBABATAS ANG NAKIKINIG SA AMIN KAYA NGA HINDI MAPASA PASA ANG RH BILL. SUBALIT MERON DIN NAMANG MGA MUKANG PERA NA BAYARAN NG U.S. GOVERNMENT TULAD NI NOYNOY AQUINO NA UTO UTO KAY OBAMA SA LOOB LANG NG 7 MINUTES DIALOGUE. HA, HA, HA... NAPAKA... HA, HA, HA... FORGET IT. MGA BAYARAN NG MGA MULTI NATIONAL COMPANIES PROMOTING CONDOMS AND PILLS.
[sa gayong paraan ay nagawa ninyo ang inyong responsibilidad na magturo at gumabay sa mga katoliko at hindi ninyo napakialaman ang gobyerno pati na rin ang mga pilipinong hindi katoloko.]
GINAGAWA NAMIN ANG AMING RESPONSIBILIDAD HINDI LANG SA PAGTUTURO KUNG ANO ANG MASAMA PATI SA PAKIKIPAGLABAN SA MINUMUNGKAHING MASAMA. NO TO RH BILL. KILL THE BILL. FIGHT THE BILL. CALLING ALL FAITHFUL CATHOLICS RISE UP AND DEFEAT THE BILL.
[hindi ko po maintindihan kung bakit kailangan pa ng catholic church na paghimasukan ang mga balakin ng gobyerno samantalang wala naman silang power at karapatan na gawin ito,]
ReplyDeleteMALI NA NAMAN.
MERON KAMING KARAPATAN AT POWER NA HADLANGAN ANG MASAMANG BATAS NG GOBIERNO DAHIL FILIPINO RIN KAMI. ANO KA BA NAMAN? GAMITIN MO NAMAN ANG UTAK MO.
BAWAT PILIPINO AY MAY KARAPATANG MANINDIGAN LABAN SA IMORAL AT ILEGAL NA BATAS. KAYA NGA ANG CATHOLIC CHURCH ANG GUMAPI SA MARTIAL LAW AT SA LEGALIZATION NG JUETENG. DAPAT NUON PA, PANAHON PA NI RAMOS GUSTONG GAWING LEGAL ANG JUETENG PERO DAHIL SA CATHOLIC CHURCH HINDI MATULOY TULOY. HE, HE, HE...
KUNG MAY KARAPATAN KAMING LABANAN ANG DICTATORSHIP, MARTIAL LAW, ABOLITION OF WRIT OF HABEAS CORPUS, LEGALIZATION OF JUETENG, ETC. MAY KARAPATAN DIN KAMING HADLANGAN ANG RH BILL.
YUNG GUSTONG MAG CONTRACEPTIVES LET THEM DO IT. HANGGANG SA MAUBOS SILA SA KAKONTIAN. HA, HA, HA...
[ang maaari lamang nilang gawin ay pangaralan, gabayan at pangasiwaan ang mga katoliko, hindi ang gobyerno o ang lahat ng Pilipino.]
KARAPATAN NAMING MAGSALITA SA PUBLICO DAHIL MERON KAMING FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND OF EXPRESSION.
ISA PA, ANG KARAMIHAN NG TAO SA GOBIERNO AY CATOLICO. KUNG GUSTO NILANG TRAIDORIN ANG SANTA IGLESIA TULAD NG GINAGAWA NI NOYNOY AQUINO, FINE. SUBALIT MAY KARAPATAN DIN KAMING SABIHAN SILA NA NILALAPASTANGAN NILA ANG PANANAMPALATAYA NILA KAYA KUNG AYAW NILANG GALANGIN ANG CHURCH SA PALAGAY BA NILA E IGAGALANG PA SILA NG MGA CATOLICONG TAPAT SA PANANAMPALATAYA?
[Ngunit heto ang isang tanong, kaya ba ng mga awtoridad katoliko na pasunurin ang kanilang mga nasaskupan?]
HA, HA, HA... E DI TIGNAN NATIN. BAKIT HINDI MO SABIHAN SI NOYNOY NA SUBUKAN NIYA. SUBUKAN NYO. HA, HA, HA...
HINDI KINATAKUTAN NG MGA NINUNO NAMIN ANG EMPERIO ROMANO NA NAGPAKAIN SA KANILA SA MGA LEON, NAGPPA PUGOT NG KANILANG MGA ULO AT NAGPA-PAKO SA KRUS. HINDI NAMIN KINATAKUTAN SI MARCOS AT ERAP, SI NOYNOY PA. BAKA HINDI NIYA ALAM NA CATHOLICS MOSTLY ANG BUMOTO SA KANYA.
SABIHAN MO ANG GOBIERNO NA HUWAG MAKINIG SA SIMBAHAN. SUBUKAN NILA.
AT SA PALAGAY MO BA LAHAT NG CATOLICO AY MAGTRATRAIDOR NA KAGAYA NI NOYNOY? HA, HA, HA...
AT ANO NAMAN NGAYON KUNG HINDI SILA SUMUNOD? AKALA MO BA TITIGIL AT MATATAKOT KAMI DAHIL KONTI KAMI? HA, HA, HA... NUNG UNANG LUMABAN SI CARDINAL SIN KAY MARCOS HALOS WALANG SUMUSUNOD DAHIL HALOS LAHAT AY BELIV KAY MARCOS. SUBALIT LATER ON, NAPABAGSAK SI MARCOS THROUGH PEOPLE POWER.
MAG-INGAT KAYO NI NOYNOY DAHIL HINDI LAHAT NG PANAHON AY POPULAR KAYO. MAAARING MALAKAS KAYO NGAYON SUBALIT MERON DIN KAYONG KAHINAAN. HINDI NAMIN KAYO TITIGILAN AT TATANTANAN.
BABUYIN MO ANG SARILI MO. MALUNOD KA SA SARILI MONG BINHI NA INIPON MO SA LOOB NG IYONG MGA CONDOMS SUBALIT HUWAG MO KAMING IDADAMAY.
[Mayroon ba talaga silang kapasidad na gabayan ang mga katolikong malilihis ng landas o ang kaya lamang nilang gabayan ay ang mga matagal nang sumusunod sakanila?]
SIEMPRE MERON. KAYA NGA THE BEST ANG CATHOLIC SCHOOLS SA PILIPINAS AT KAMI PA RIN ANG PINAKA MALAKING RELIHIYON SA BANSA AT SA BUONG MUNDO DAHIL KAMI ANG PINAKA SUCCESSFUL. ANG IBANG RELIHIYON AY BASURA LANG KUNG IKUKUMPARA SA AMIN. LALO NA ANG IGLESIA NI MANALO, ANG CULTO NI MAMA ELI SORIANO AT ANG MGA BORN AGAIN NA PULPOL.
trabaho lang naman ng Simbahan na pangaralan ang kanyang mga anak. Pati ba sa kanyang obligasyon na ipatupad ang TAMA ay nagmumukha pa siyang mali. Maling-mali na talaga ang landas na tinatahak ng karamihan sa atin... i am PRO-LIFE 2 d bones!! no to this RH Bill!
ReplyDeleteAdditional:
ReplyDelete(uhmm.. excuse me lang po, but i think the one who asked Fr. Abe is a secularist, i wanna share my insights in a secular language)
Kung sino ka man jan, ang separation of the Church and State ay pinangangalagaan ng Simbahang Katoliko. In fact, sa RH BILL - ANG GOBYERNO ANG NAKIKIALAM SA SIMBAHAN! Ano namang karapatan ng Gobierno na pasukin kung anong family planning ang dapat gamitin ng mga Katoliko? eh pag napasa yan as a law. Pati ang mga katoliko eh tuturuan ng Gobierno na gumamit ng kung ano anong contraceptives. EH SAKOP PA DIN NG PANANAMPALATAYA ANG FAMILY PLANNING EH?? O DI BA ESTADO ANG NAKIKIALAM NIYAN?
Pangalawa, Kung gusto niyo ng Condom at Pills, bumili kayo! huwag niyong iasa sa mga Katolikong may mabubuting budhi ang satisfaction ninyo.BAKIT DDIKTAHAN NG ESTADO ANG MGA MANANAMPALATAYANG KATOLIKO NA MAG BAYAD NG TAX FOR CONDOMS, PILLS, ETC.?
Pangatlo, its no longer doctrinal matters na nga eh, PRACTICALITY NA LANG. Excuse me, i-pang gigimmick ko na lang ang pera ko para sumaya ako kesa naman ipambayad ko sa mga contraceptives ninyo.(o nila kung di ka man nag jojoin)
pangapat, Pag napasa yan, pati anak mo (o magiging anak mo) hindi mo pwedeng mahusgahan kung bigyan ng condom o pills ng mga eskwelahan nila. Kahit 11 years old pa yan, magkakaron na ng karapatan ang mga anak ng mo na sumoot kahit saan, basta gusto, kahit sa banketa sa timog may karapatan sila.
Panglima, Pwede ba? pag napasa yang RH Bill, pati sila Cardinal, Bishop, Father, Sister , Brother etc. MAOOBLIGAHAN MAGBIGAY NG CONDOM. Ano ba Teh? hahaha napakalaking LOSER NAMAN NG BILL NA YAN. Bakit pati Church hihimasukin ng Estado
OH NGAYON IBABALIK KO SAU ANG TANONG MO:
"SINO NGAYON ANG NAKIKIALAM? ANG SIMBAHAN SA ESTADO? O ANG ESTADO SA SIMBAHAN?"
Moreover, even the Liberal Theologians who agree to the use of artificial contraceptives (Like Charles Curran etc.) still LIMITS ITS USE AMONG MARRIED COUPLES. Eh ang RH Bill hindi naman sa pang married lang yan eh. pang KALAHATAN. Ke bata, teen ager , adult, matanda etc. Kaya pag si Sister humingi ng pills kay Mother Superior, eh walang magagawa si Mother Superior kundi bigyan ang kaniyang kapwa madre. ewww.. anu ba yan!!
ReplyDelete"A CATHOLIC IS ONE WHO BELIEVES AND PRACTICES HIS CATHOLIC FAITH NOT THE FAITH AND PRACTICES OF ABORTIONISTS AND ANTI-LIFE ADVOCATES."
ReplyDelete-Fr. Abe can i post this on facebook? so that i can share with my friends? thank you Father :)
-DEEVON CARIAGA
YES, BRO. DEEVON. Just provide the link to this site. God bless you.
ReplyDeleteTHANK YOU BRO. BELTRAN AND BRO. GREGOR.
ReplyDeleteI am totally impressed by the way Bro. Beltran Vicente, OP answers. He is well-informed of the issues unlike the cafeteria Catholic who is deficient in understanding the issues. God bless Bro. Beltran for his stand on life!
ReplyDeleteFather, you are correct that the Church is doing much much more than this corrupt and inept government is doing to address social issues and concerns such as poverty, health, education care and so on.
Ou very own Dominican Order has so ministries and apostolates that help the poor. Our Martinian Brothers tend to the sick and the infirm. We have feeding centers. The Siena sisters have hospitals in the remotest provinces for the poorest of the poor. The nuns themselves lovingly tend those who are the most forgotten. Yet, we don't get any media attention for all these. Our work is done in silence because we know that we are of God. On the contrary, the government does everything under the glare of the klieg lights of media. Now tell me, who has done more to help society?
Yes, the government must not spend a single centavo for artificial contraception. Let those who support these practices spend their own money.
ReplyDeletePaano aasenso ang bayan kung pati libido expenses ay gagastosan ng gobierno? Napakataas ng dependency mentality sa ating bansa. Ang gobierno natin walang kaibahan sa isang sosyalistang bansa tulad ng Cuba na pati sigarilyo sa bawat Cuban ay ginagastosan ng kanilang gobierno.
My professor in theology taught us that we must maintain high standard of reasoning when we defend catholic faith. More so, we should never resort in insulting other religious denominations when we try to convey catholic teachings;that is Argementum Ad Bacculum. To Fr. Abe, with all due respect, I think we should still uphold the choice of words because it might offend other religion. I am catholic, I am also not in favor of RH bill since I still believe my faith. However, let us try to look at this through academic discussion, I thinks we should also try to listen to the points raised by the state. It is for a fact that majority of catholics are in favor of this bill according to SWS survey. Now, the question would be: IS the church effective and efficient in educating its flock about morality and faith? If yes, why these numerous catholics have ideals which are in contrast with the church's teachings? When I studied Moral theology, one of my classmates raised a question that goes like this: "Is it not that Filipinos perceived catholicism as part of our tradition? Because if we try to look at it we are just baptized through catholic rites but we don't practice it". I think the problem of the church now is how to explain that faith and moral should still be the core in deciding whether RH bill is good or evil. Thank you.
ReplyDelete[My professor in theology taught us that we must maintain high standard of reasoning when we defend catholic faith.]
ReplyDeleteYOUR PROFESSOR IN THEOLOGY IS OF COURSE CORRECT IN SAYING THAT. BUT LET ME INVITE HIM IN THE BLOGSPHERE AND ANSWER EACH AND EVERY QUESTION THROWN AT HIM BY FILIPINO AUDIENCE AND SEE IF HE WILL STILL BE AN AS EFFECTIVE.
IN REALITY, EXPLAINING THINGS TO PEOPLE DOES NOT REQUIRE HIGH LEVEL OF REASONING. HE MUST ALSO GO DOWN TO SIMPLE MANNER OF REASONING. OTHERWISE HE WILL BE ABLE TO WRITE A HIGHLY CRITICAL BOOK READ BY FEW THOUSANDS BUT NOT UNDERSTOOD BY MILLIONS MORE.
THERE IS TIME FOR HIGH PHILOSOPHICAL DISCOURSE AND THERE IS TIME FOR SIMPLE NO HOLDS BARRED DISCUSSION. GO TO THE INTERNET FORUMS AND SEE THE DISCUSSIONS. THIS IS NOT THE ART OF ELEGANT PROSE AND POETRY, THIS IS THE NO HOLDS BARRED - FRANK DISCUSSION WITH PEOPLE WHOSE INTENTIONS IS TO ATTACK THE CHURCH.
[More so, we should never resort in insulting other religious denominations when we try to convey catholic teachings;]
WE ARE NOT INSULTING. BUT WHEN WE ARE BEING INSULTED WE ARE NECESSITATED TO SHOW TO THE OTHER SIDE THE SHALLOWNESS OF THEIR ATTACKS AND THE EVIL MALICE OF THEIR REASONING. WHEN THE LORD JESUS WAS BEING GREASED BY THE PHARISEES HE CALLED THEM BROOD OF VIPERS. THERE IS TIME FOR SOFTNESS AND TENDER LANGUAGE BUT THERE IS ALSO TIME FOR STRONG ONES.
[that is Argementum Ad Bacculum.]
I APPRECIATE YOUR SUGGESTION. SINCE YOU ARE A VERY EDUCATED AND INTELLIGENT CATHOLIC PLEASE OPEN A CATHOLIC BLOG AND I WILL PROMOTE IT HERE ASKING ALL THE ANTI-CATHOLICS TO ARGUE WITH YOU AND I WANT TO SEE HOW YOU WILL DEAL WITH THEM. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REALITY AND IDEAS. WHEN YOU ARE NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH PEOPLE IT IS NICE TO JUST SAY DONT TO THIS, DONT DO THAT.
FOR THAT REASON, THE ANTI CATHOLICS WERE ABLE TO LURE THOUSANDS OF SOULS AWAY FROM THE CHURCH BECAUSE OF OUR FAILURE TO RESPOND TO THE ENEMIES OF THE FAITH ON EQUAL FOOTING.
[To Fr. Abe, with all due respect, I think we should still uphold the choice of words because it might offend other religion.]
ReplyDeleteWE ARE NOT HERE TO AVOID OFFENDING BECAUSE THEY ARE HERE TO OFFEND US. IF THEY DON'T WANT TO BE OFFENDED THEN THEY SHOULD TEACH THEIR FOLLOWERS TO STOP OFFENDING OUR FAITHFUL. WHETHER I LIKE IT OR NOT WHEN WE SPEAK OF TRUTH SOME PEOPLE WILL BE HURT. YOU ARE TELLING ME TO BE A POLITICIAN AND A DIPLOMAT RATHER THAN A CATHOLIC APOLOGIST RESPONDING ON PHILIPPINE SETTING. BESIDES, THIS BLOG IS NOT FOR SCHOLARS OR FOR HIGHLY SCHOLARLY ESSAYS. THIS IS MORE FOR SIMPLE PEOPLE AND FOR BASIC RESPONSE TO THE ATTACKS AGAINST THE FAITH. IF YOU WANT A HIGHLY SCHOLARLY MATERIALS GO TO THE VATICAN WEBSITE.
[I am catholic, I am also not in favor of RH bill since I still believe my faith.]
PRAISE THE LORD.
[ However, let us try to look at this through academic discussion, I thinks we should also try to listen to the points raised by the state.]
WHO TOLD YOU THAT WE ARE NOT LISTENING TO THE POINTS RAISED BY THE STATE. IF YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO THEIR POINTS THEN DON'T INCLUDE THE CHURCH IN YOUR FAILURE TO DO SO.
[It is for a fact that majority of catholics are in favor of this bill according to SWS survey.]
THE TRUTH OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH DOES NOT DEPEND ON THE WILL OF MAJORITY. ASK THE SWS IF THEY WILL INQUIRE AMONG HIGH SCHOOL BOYS IF THEY WANT FREE SEX WITH THE MOST BEAUTIFUL MODEL OR ACTRESS IN HOLLYWOOD WILL THEY AGREE OR NOT? LET US SEE WHAT WILL BE THE MAJORITY ANSWERS.
ASK THE PEOPLE IF IT IS OK TO SPREAD GOSSIPS AROUND AND SEE IF THE MAJORITY WILL RESPONSE ON THE NEGATIVE. OF COURSE, THE HUMAN HEART WILL ALWAYS THEN IN FAVOR OF MONEY, SEX AND POWER OVER THE DO's AND DON'T's OF GOD.
[Now, the question would be: IS the church effective and efficient in educating its flock about morality and faith?]
ReplyDeleteTHE EFFECTIVITY OF THE CHURCH IS NOT AN ISSUE HERE. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE CHURCH IS FAITHFUL TO HER MISSION THAT SHE RECEIVED TO HER LORD. EFFECTIVE OR NO EFFECTIVE, AS LONG AS THE CHURCH IS CONTINUOUSLY PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF LIFE THEN SHE IS FAITHFUL TO GOD AND TO HER MISSION AS MOTHER AND TEACHER OF HER FAITHFUL.
[If yes, why these numerous catholics have ideals which are in contrast with the church's teachings?]
SIMPLE. BECAUSE THESE CATHOLICS BY THEIR OWN FREE WILL HAVE OPTED TO DISOBEY THE CHURCH. EVEN IF THE PARENTS, OR THE CATHOLIC TEACHERS OR THE PARISH PRIESTS OR THE BISHOPS AND POPES ARE DOING THEIR DUTIES EFFECTIVELY IF PEOPLE DOES NOT WANT TO LISTEN THEN THERE WILL BE NO POSITIVE EFFECT. WHY QUESTION THE EFFECTIVITY OF THE CHURCH?
WHEN ADAM AND EVE DISOBEYED GOD WAS GOD INEFFECTIVE IN TEACHING THEM DOCTRINE AND MORALS? HE, HE, HE... YOU SEE. YOUR LINE OF REASONING IS VERY CHEAP. BECAUSE THE TEACHER CAN BE THE BEST TEACHER IN THE WORLD BUT THAT ONE CAN BE DISOBEYED STILL. IN FACT, MANY OF THE BEST OF THE BEST TEACHERS WERE ASSASINATED OR MARTYRED: THE LORD JESUS, SOCRATES, MAHATMA GANDHI, MARTIN LUTHER KING, ETC.
IF YOUR CONCEPT OF EFFECTIVITY IS BEING FAVORED BY PUBLIC OPINION THAT IS A VERY CHEAP BASIS FOR EFFECTIVITY.
[When I studied Moral theology, one of my classmates raised a question that goes like this: "Is it not that Filipinos perceived catholicism as part of our tradition?]
HA, HA, HA... AND WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER TO THE QUESTION?
[Because if we try to look at it we are just baptized through catholic rites but we don't practice it".]
IF YOU ARE NOT PRACTICING IT PLEASE BE SO KIND IN NOT INCLUDING US IN YOUR GENERALIZATION. WHEN WE WERE STUDYING IN CATHOLIC SCHOOLS MAJORITY OF OUR CLASSMATES WERE FRIENDLY, JOYFUL, SUPPORTIVE AND VERY GOOD PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW IN WHAT CATHOLIC COMMUNITY DO YOU BELONG THAT THE PEOPLE IN YOUR AREA ARE NOT LIVING THEIR CATHOLIC FAITH.
[I think the problem of the church now is how to explain that faith and moral should still be the core in deciding whether RH bill is good or evil.]
IT MEANS THAT THE STYLE OF TEACHING THAT YOUR PROFESSOR HAS GIVEN YOU IS INEFFECTIVE IN RESPONDING TO THE QUESTIONS AND NEEDS OF OUR PEOPLE. THAT IS WHY WE NEED TO EXPLAIN THINGS NOT ACCORDING TO THE RULE OF OXFORD FORMAL DEBATES BUT ACCORDING TO THE REALITY THAT CONFRONTS US AS TEACHERS OF THE FAITH.
YOU SHOULD ALSO ASK YOURSELF IF YOU ARE REALLY HELPING THE CHURCH INSTEAD OF ENLISTING YOURSELF WITH SOME OF THE TRAITORS TO THE FAITH AMONG OUR RANKS.
[Thank you.]
WELCOME.
The "Mr. Nice Guy" stand of the anonymous is the cause of the proliferation of apostasies.
ReplyDeleteTo Mr Anonymous Nice Guy,
ReplyDeleteYou are indeed too nice to be effective. Try that to the people who mocked your faith, and they will mock you all the more.
I have been taught by a lot of cold intellectuals, the kinds that had many alphabets before and after their names. They are effective in so far as the classroom is concerned. Outside of it, nobody hears them.
That's why I appreciate the efforts of Fr Abe in this blog. This is the classroom for ordinary folks; this is the restaurant for those who seek real doctrinal and moral food, minus the garnish from the nice guys!
[WHEN ADAM AND EVE DISOBEYED GOD WAS GOD INEFFECTIVE IN TEACHING THEM DOCTRINE AND MORALS? ]
ReplyDeleteAfter Adam and Eve disobeyed God..Ano ginawa niya?
pinabayaan niya lang ba sila? sinabi niya ba free will nila hindi sumunod bahala sila sa buhay nila..
o dinisiplina nya? =)
Ofcourse..hindi absolute na sukatan ng good teacher ay good students..in like manner you should consider din yung performance ng students if you are open minded enough to accept that maybe you have also shortcomings and the teaching is not sufficient..
pero kung sarado utak ang teacher..wala pakialam sa student..FREE WILL NGA NAMAN..=)
wala ng malasakit..wala ng disiplina..=)
pero ang Dios..nung sumuway si Adan at Eba..aba may disiplina..=)
hindi kasi konsintidor ang Dios..=)
WHEN ADAM AND EVE DISOBEYED GOD WAS GOD INEFFECTIVE IN TEACHING THEM DOCTRINE AND MORALS?
ReplyDelete[After Adam and Eve disobeyed God..Ano ginawa niya?]
ANG PUNTO RITO GOD HAS BEEN DISOBEYED. THE GREATEST AND THE BEST TEACHER IN HISTORY, GOD, WAS DISOBEYED. SO IN LIKE MANNER THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CAN BE DISOBEYED. YOU ARE TRYING TO PUT MALICE INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH FOR BEING DISOBEYED AS IF IT IS OUR FAULT. EXCUSE ME.
[pinabayaan niya lang ba sila?]
PINARUSAHAN NIYA. THAT IS THE REASON WHY WHEN OUR BISHOPS CONTEMPLATED EXCOMMUNICATING PRES. NOYNOY AQUINO FOR BEING A TRAITOR TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THEY ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING. INSTEAD, YOU SATANICALLY DEFEND THE IMMORAL STAND OF THAT PERSON AND HIS GOVERNMENT.
[sinabi niya ba free will nila hindi sumunod bahala sila sa buhay nila..]
HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE ALREADY AGREEING WITH ME.
[o dinisiplina nya? =)]
AND WHAT IS YOUR ANSWER? HA, HA, HA...
[Ofcourse..hindi absolute na sukatan ng good teacher ay good students..in like manner you should consider din yung performance ng students if you are open minded enough to accept that maybe you have also shortcomings and the teaching is not sufficient..]
WE ARE REFERRING TO THE FILIPINO PEOPLE. THE CATHOLIC CHRUCH IS NOT THE ONLY TEACHER OF OUR SOCIETY. THERE IS THE MEDIA, THE GOVERNMENT, ETC. YOUR FORMULA OF STUDENT-TEACHER IS IAPPROPRIATE IT IS BECAUSE THE CHURCH HAS NO ABSOLUTE CONTROL OVER PEOPLE. WE ARE NOT LIKE THE INC. THEY CONTROL EVEN THE VOTES. LOOK AT THE ATHEISTS COMMUNISTS THEY CONTROL TOTALLY THEIR MEMBERS.
[pero kung sarado utak ang teacher..wala pakialam sa student..FREE WILL NGA NAMAN..=)]
MAY PAKIAALM KAMI DAHIL NAGTUTURO KAMI. IKAW ITONG NAGPAPATIGIL SA AMIN NA MAKIALAM SA ISSUE NG CONTRACEPTION E. TAPOS BABALIKTARIN MO KAMI NGAYON. HA, HA, HA...
[wala ng malasakit..wala ng disiplina..=)]
TALAGA? ANG DRAMA MO. HA, HA, HA... DI BA ANG PAYO MO SA AMIN E HAYAAN ANG GOVERNMENT AT ANG MGA TAO.
[pero ang Dios..nung sumuway si Adan at Eba..aba may disiplina..=)]
EXACTLY. GANON DIN ANG GINAGAWA NG SIMBAHANG CATOLICO.
[hindi kasi konsintidor ang Dios..=) ]
HINDI TULAD MO NA GUSTO HAYAAN LANG GUMAMIT NG MGA IMORAL NA PAMAMARAAN ANG MGA TAO.
Go!Go!Go! Fr. Abe! I think, I heard one of the best Catholic arguments re: RH Bill.It's really sad that so many Catholics are pious and actively practicing their faith but stand against the Church in many issues, especially on RH Bill. Shameful! I believe faith should be full. There is no such thing as partial faith. Its all or nothing. If a Catholic believes in all Church teaching but one... then he should not believe all of its teachings at all. For believing in the other Catholic teachings and rejecting one teaching is just like saying "I'm not sure if the Church is right in all of its teachings." So why believe at all? As Catholics we shall believe what the Church teaches even if we don't understand it. Its not blind faith. Even if we are genius, our mind and knowledge has limitations. We just submit to authority which has the assurance of Jesus Christ's unfailing guidance.
ReplyDeleteThanks and God bless you Father Abe!!!
this is truly great Fr. Abe! an eye-opener for us Catholics!
ReplyDeletePraise the Lord forever!
ReplyDeleteFather, can I post this item in my facebook account in order to share this rich information on RH Bill to others?
ReplyDeleteYES, BROTHER. BUT PLEASE PUT THE LINK TO MY BLOG SO THAT THEY CAN SEE ITS SOURCE.
ReplyDeleteDear Father,
ReplyDeleteSana kaya hadlangan ng simbahan and pagtutol sa RH BILL.....
Good evening and God Bless to you...
FATHER ABE! THIS IS THE BEST BLOG POST I'VE EVER READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CONTINUTE GOD'S WORK!!!!!!!!! THOSE PEEPS WHO ARE NOT CATHOLIC, WORSHIP THAT ABNORMAL CREATURE NOY-P AND THE RH-BILL AND FEMNISM AND ENVIRONMENTALISM AND NEW AGE SATANISM SHOULD GO DIE IN A FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteFr. I agree to all your points and may God be praise for this for coincidence without looking at your blog this was also my position and my reaction to the atheist many have said to me na taob yung ale and one even commented that my logical arguments made her re think her stand on the RH Bill :) Thanks po father.
ReplyDeleteContinue God's work, Father. These feminazi RH supporters are nothing but trouble thus in league with the Devil. The Church shall prevail. Those who question it shall be punished!
ReplyDeleteTHANK YOU SO JON JON.
ReplyDeleteAdditional lang po ukol sa isyo ng RH Bill...
ReplyDeleteAng pagpasa ng RH Bill ay hindi mabisang paraan upang bumaba ang populatoin ng isang bansa dahil ang pagamit ng condum ay maaring alisin sa panahon ng pagtatalik at lalong hindi rin ito safety sa AIDS or HIV dahil kung pag-aralan natin ng maaigi ang United State Of America ay isa sa mga bansa na nangunguna sa pagamit ng condum ngunit sa U.S ang pinakarami ang biktima ng AIDS,more 1 million na ang bilang mg biktima ng HIV at kalahati nito ay mga patay na at ang natira ay patuloy na nag suffer ng HIV.Ang pilduras naman ay hindi aplicable sa lahat ng babae kasi ito ay hormonal may mga babae na ok ang health na gumamit ng pilduras samantala marami din ang nanganayat o mas lalong nasira ang kalusugan sa gumamit ng pilduras ito ay gano din ang tinawag nilang dipolatura o ang pag inject ng isang babae mas marami ang nasisira ang kalulusgan.
Ang pagdami din ng population ay hindi sanhi upang maghirap ang isang bansa dahil ang tao ay KARAGDAGAN NG MAN POWER,sa buong mundo ang Tsina ang may pinakaraming population more than 33 billion na sila ngayon ngunit ang Tsina ngayon ay isa sa mga mayamang bansa sa buong mindo.
Ako ay lubos na naniniwala na ang ang GRAFT AND CORRUPTION ay unang sanhi sa paghirap ng isang bansa.Kaya kahit ipatupad pa ng sinado ang RH BILL tapos hindi mawala ang GRAFT ang CORRUPTION ng isang bansa ay walang parin itong mabuting patutunguhan.
Tama lang sana na pigilin ito ng Katoliko ngunit ang mga protestanti at born again at INC ay sumang-ayon na rin ng RH BILL ,ang mga PIKING sinbahan na ito na gawa na tao ay nagpapahayag lang na kanilang pagigind imoral...hINDI TALAGA SILA TOTOO
Good Day Father
Dear Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteNAKU, SAPUL NA SAPUL MO. He he he
Dear Father,
ReplyDeleteSana naman mas maintindihan ng ating mambabatas na hindi ang over population ang pangunahing sanhi sa paghirap ng isang bansa kung di sa sinabi na natin ay ang GRAFT AND CORRUPTION na nangyari sa ating bansa ngayon.Sana sa mga punto na ipinahayag natin sa itaas, ito ay maunawaan ng lahat ng Pilipino o lahat ng tao kung dapat ba o di dapat ipasa ang pagsasabatas ng RH BILL?
Maraming salamat po....
kailangan ba talaga na ipasa ang pagsasabatas
ng R.H BILL?
Maraming salamat po
HINDI NATIN KAILANGAN ANG RH BILL AT ANG RH LAW. HINDI RIN NATIN KAILANGAN ANG CONDOMS AT PILLS. ANG KAILANGAN NATIN AY MORAL VALUES AND FAITH IN GOD.
ReplyDeleteTHANK YOU VERY MUCH BRO. JOSEPH PEREZ... AND CONGRATULATIONS FOR YOUR EFFECTIVE DEFENSE OF OUR CATHOLIC MORALITY AGAINST THE RH BILL.
ReplyDeleteHANEP SA ALL CAPS! HAHA. NAPAKAGANDA PO NG MGA SAGOT NYO FR. ABE! THAT IS EXACTLY HOW I ANSWER STUPID QUESTIONS SA MGA NAG-MAMAANG MAANGAN SA RH BILL. MORE POWER PO AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO OPPOSE THIS RH-EVILL
ReplyDeleteTHANK YOU STEALTH ANGEL.
ReplyDeleteI'm not a catholic, but I oppose the proposed RH Bill. I'm against artificial contraceptives. These artificial stuff are 100% legal, but it doesn't mean they are also 100% safe and effective. I'm also against artificial such as condoms, pills and IUDs because they don't teach a person to have self-control - a virtue we need to overcome poverty and other problems our country is facing.
ReplyDeleteTHANK YOU VERY MUCH VIC. INDEED, EVERY CHRISTIAN WITH CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF CHRISTIAN MORALITY AND VALUES WILL REJECT THE RJ BILL.
ReplyDeleteFr. Abe, you're such a blessing... Thank you for educating me through this blog.
ReplyDeleteTHANK YOU DEAR ANONYMOUS. WELCOME.
ReplyDeleteLET US GIVE THANKS TO THE LORD FOR HIS GREAT LOVE IS WITHOUT END.
LET US OPPOSE THE RH BILL. KILL THE BILL! FIGHT FOR LIFE! WE ARE A PEOPLE OF LIFE BECAUSE OUR GOD IS THE GOD OF LIFE.