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Peace! Magtatanong lang po ako Father tungkol po sa isang inconsistency na nakita ko po in one of the documents of Vatican II. As a Catholic po, and I'm studying the Faith po because I love It very much, I believe that we Catholics do not worship the same God that the Muslims worship. Am I right, Father? But upon reading Vatican II's Lumen Gentium (16) na-shock po ako Father dahil sinasabi po na the Muslims "profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and TOGETHER WITH US THEY ADORE THE ONE, MERCIFUL GOD, MANKIND'S JUDGE ON THE LAST DAY." Di ba Father, we Catholics worship the only true God - the Holy Trinity and Muslims worship false god. Hindi po pwedeng pareho yung God natin sa kanila dahil iba-iba po mga teachings natin. They can't be the same. Kindly clarify this Father for me... It's really troubling me. Thanks!
- Fr. Abe, CRS said...
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[Peace!]
PEACE BE TO YOU TOO. DEAR ANONYMOUS.
[Magtatanong lang po ako Father tungkol po sa isang inconsistency na nakita ko po in one of the documents of Vatican II. As a Catholic po, and I'm studying the Faith po because I love It very much, I believe that we Catholics do not worship the same God that the Muslims worship. Am I right, Father?]
UNANG UNANG DAPAT MONG INTINDIHIN NA NOON PA MANG PRE-VATICAN II, IT WAS AGREED UPON NA NA ANG MGA MOSLEMS AY DESCENDANTS DIN NI ABRAHAM THROUGH ISMAEL.
HINDI MO BA ALAM NA ANG IBIG SABIHIN NG SALITANG 'ALLAH' AY 'KAISA-ISANG DIOS'. KAYA NAMAN SA ARABIC BIBLE, SA MALAYSIAN BIBLE, SA SAMOAN BIBLE AT SA ILANG AFRICAN BIBLES ANG TERM FOR GOD AY 'ALLAH'.
[But upon reading Vatican II's Lumen Gentium (16) na-shock po ako Father dahil sinasabi po na the Muslims "profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and TOGETHER WITH US THEY ADORE THE ONE, MERCIFUL GOD, MANKIND'S JUDGE ON THE LAST DAY."]
- UNA SA LAHAT, I THINK HINDI LUMEN GENTIUM #16 ANG IBIG MONG TUKUYIN KUNDI ANG NOSTRA AETATE # 3 WHICH STATES:
KUNG TITIGNAN MO ANG ORIGINAL DOCUMENT NA IYAN NG VATICAN II THAT STATEMENT REFERRING TO THE MOSLEM GOD AS 'ONE, LIVING... MERCIFUL.." AY QUOTE FROM A PRE-VATICAN II SAINT: "5. Cf St. Gregory VII, letter XXI to Anzir (Nacir), King of Mauritania (Pl. 148, col. 450f.) " KAYA KUNG PARA SA IYO AY MASAMA YAN. E DI MASAMA DIN SI ST. GREGORY VII. HE, HE, HE... SINO SI ST. GREGORY VII? SIEMPRE ANG SANTO PAPA DURING THE 11TH CENTURY NA ISANG CANONIZED SAINT AT CONSIDERED AS ONE OF THE GREATEST POPES. HE, HE, HE... ITO ANG SABI NG CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA OF 1915 [PRE-VATICAN II DIN]: "One of the greatest of the Roman pontiffs and one of the most remarkable men of all times; born between the years 1020 and 1025, at Soana, or Ravacum, in Tuscany; died 25 May, 1085, at Salerno."
SEE, BAKA AKALA N'YO AY BAGO ANG TURO NA IYAN NG SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL. ABA, ABA, ABA... PRE-VATICAN POPE ANG NAGSABI NYAN AT NAPAKA-DAKILANG SANTO PA.
ANG TINUTUKOY NA DIOS NI ABRAHAM DITO AY ANG GOD THE FATHER. YES, THAT IS TRUE. NANINIWALA SILA NA ANG DIOS NILA AT ANG DIOS NI ABRAHAM AY IISA. AT YON DIN ANG GOD THE FATHER NATIN.
MALI LANG SILA NAG PAGKILALA SA PANGINOONG JESUS. DUON SILA NAGKAMALI. HINDI RIN NILA NAABOT ANG KATOTOHANAN NG SANTISSMA TRINIDAD. SUBALIT HINGGIL SA CONCEPT NG ONE GOD, PAREHO TAYO DIYAN.
HINDI NAMAN TINURO NG SANTA IGLESIA NUON NA MALI SILA SA LAHAT NG BAGAY. MAY MALI SILA SUBALIT MAY TAMA DIN.
[Di ba Father, we Catholics worship the only true God - the Holy Trinity and Muslims worship false god.]
NO, THEY ARE WORSHIPPING THE ONE TRUE GOD. BUT THEY FAILED TO ACCEPT AND BELIEVE IN THE SON OF GOD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. KAYA NGA IYON AY MALI DAHIL PARTIAL TRUTH LANG ANG SA KANILA.
[ Hindi po pwedeng pareho yung God natin sa kanila dahil iba-iba po mga teachings natin.]
ANG KAIBAHAN NG TEACHING AY HINDI NAGMUMULA SA KAIBAHAN NG DIOS KUNDI SA KAIBAHAN NG INTERPRETASTYON.
TIGNAN MO ANG MGA JUDIO, THEY REJECT JESUS PERO PAREHO ANG GOD THE FATHER NATIN. IBIG BANG SABIHIN HINDI SUMAMBA SA TUNAY NA DIOS ANG MGA JUDIO? TIGNAN MO ANG MGA BORN AGAIN, THEY ALSO BELIEVE IN HOLY TRINITY PERO MAGKAIBA ANG DOCTRINA NATIN SA MARAMING BAGAY. ANG PAGKAKAIBA AY HINDI GALING SA DIOS KUNDI SA PAG-IISIP NG TAO.
[They can't be the same.]
THEY ARE THE SAME. AS THE GOD OF JESUS AND THE GOD OF ANNAS AND CAIAPHAS ARE THE SAME SO IS THE GOD OF THE MOSLEMS AND THE GOD OF THE HEBREWS, THE GOD OF THE CATHOLICS AND THE GOD OF THE BORN AGAIN.
YOUR LOGIC IS DEFECTIVE. DIFFERENCES OF FAITH IS NOT NECESSARILY CAUSED BY HAVING A DIFFERENT GOD BUT ON HAVING DIFFERENT INTERPRETATION ABOUT THAT SAME GOD.
[Kindly clarify this Father for me... It's really troubling me. Thanks!]
I HOPE THIS WILL HELP.
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Hello, mag ingat ka sa mga sagot mo... cgurado ka bang yan ang Sinasabi ng Pananampalatayang Katolico? The god of the Muslim is the same as the God of Catholic? what a shameful "apologist" ask other apologist if you share the same "opinion"
ReplyDeletePsalms 95:5- “For all the gods of the Gentiles are devils…”
ReplyDeleteAbe is Anti Christian and anti Scripture.
Fr. Abe
ReplyDelete{The Mother of God by Viktor Vasnetzov, 1901}
it is Viktor Vasnetsov... hehehe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Vasnetsov
the victory and glory of our Church is somewhat related to the song glorifying the Soviet state...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EZO8McGyJ4&feature=related
He, he, he... thank you Brother. Well let the Russian enjoy the z instead of s. He, he, he...
ReplyDelete[Psalms 95:5- “For all the gods of the Gentiles are devils…”
ReplyDeleteAbe is Anti Christian and anti Scripture.]
HA, HA, HA... YOU SEE WHEN SATAN MAKES YOU BLIND YOU FAIL TO SEE EVEN THE BAREST SHRED OF FACT.
WHAT IS STATED THERE is 'gods of the Gentiles' AND NOT The God of the Moslems.
HOW ABOUT YOU? ARE YOU A HEBREW? YOU ARE ALSO A GENTILE. ALL NON JEWISH ARE GENTILES. THE ARAB RACE ARE ALSO DESCENDANTS OF ABRAHAM THROUGH ISMAEL AND HAGAR.
Talagang nag-iingat ako sa mga sagot ko. Dahil ang aking sagot ay suportado ng Santo Papa at ng Consilio Vaticano. Hindi kaming mga apologists ang definitive teachers of the faith but the Pope and the Bishops in union with him.
ReplyDeleteHi Fr. Abe
ReplyDeleteMagtatanong lang po sana ako about the recent event na nangyari. This is about the Case of Mr. Celdran and the reproductive health bill.
As I browse the net po, I found out that there are many people who is supporting Mr. Celdran's stand on the health bill. As I read comments and reactions from people supporting him I got to know that many of them are catholics.
kasi many of the comments that i read ay ganito "I am catholic but I believe the church must not interfere with state affairs" o ganito po "I am catholic but I support the RH BIll". Now ganito po, kung ang Catholic church po ay tutol sa RH bill ano po ang mangyayari sa mga tao na sumusuporta sa bill na iyan? consider po ba sila na Catholic? kasi hindi naman po sila united with the church teachings?
Salamat po,, Godbless..
oh no fr. abe,
ReplyDelete{MHFM1 said...
Hello, mag ingat ka sa mga sagot mo... cgurado ka bang yan ang Sinasabi ng Pananampalatayang Katolico? The god of the Muslim is the same as the God of Catholic? what a shameful "apologist" ask other apologist if you share the same "opinion"}
isa syang anti-Vat II sedevacantist catholic!
[Magtatanong lang po sana ako about the recent event na nangyari. This is about the Case of Mr. Celdran and the reproductive health bill.]
ReplyDeleteMR. CELDRAN VIOLATED OUR RIGHTS AS CATHOLICS TO WORSHIP FREELY AND PEACEFULLY. THE BISHOPS AND PRIESTS INSIDE THE CATHEDRAL WERE PEACEFUL AND ORDERLY AND WERE NOT ATTACKING ANYONE. HE CAME THERE JUST TO INSULT THEM AND IN TURN HE DESECRATED OUR SACRED TEMPLE.
HE IS FREE TO SHOUT AND TO EXPRESS HIMSELF BUT HE SHOULD HAVE DONE IT IN LUNETA AND NOT INSIDE MANILA CATHEDRAL. MR. CELDRAN HAS VIOLATED OUR RIGHT TO FREE WORSHIP.
[As I browse the net po, I found out that there are many people who is supporting Mr. Celdran's stand on the health bill.]
BECAUSE THEY ARE DECEIVED BY THE SECULARISTIC MEDIA AND GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
[As I read comments and reactions from people supporting him I got to know that many of them are catholics.]
WELL, THEY COULD BE MOSTLY BORN AGAIN, PROTESTANTS AND INC BUT THEY PRETEND TO BE CATHOLICS IN ORDER TO MAKE IT APPEAR THAT THE CHURCH IS DIVIDED.
[kasi many of the comments that i read ay ganito "I am catholic but I believe the church must not interfere with state affairs"]
SINCE WHEN IT BECAME A STATE AFFAIR THE ACT OF PUTTING A CONDOM ON A MANS' SEXUAL ORGAN OR A WOMANS' GENITALS?
THAT IS NOT POLITICAL IT IS MORAL ISSUE. WELL, IF THEY WANT TO USE THEM LET THEM DO IT. WE CANNOT OPPOSE THOSE WHO WANT TO DO THOSE THINGS BUT THEY MUST NOT USE TAXPAYERS MONEY FOR THE RUBBERS THAT THEY PUT ON THEIR MOST SENSITIVE PARTS.
[o ganito po "I am catholic but I support the RH BIll".]
HE OR SHE IS A TRAITOR TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. ONE WITH A DISTORTED VIEW OF MORALITY AND SEXUALITY.
[Now ganito po, kung ang Catholic church po ay tutol sa RH bill ano po ang mangyayari sa mga tao na sumusuporta sa bill na iyan?]
THEY CAN DO IT IF THEY WANT IT. WE CANNOT OPPOSE THOSE WHO WANT IT. THAT'S FREEDOM. IF THEY WANT TO COMMIT SUICIDE OR STEALING HOW CAN WE STOP THEM? THE CHURCH HAS NO POLICE POWER.
BUT, THEY CANNOT USE OUR TAXES TO BUY CONTRACEPTIVES FOR THEIR OWN SEXUAL PLEASURES.
[consider po ba sila na Catholic?]
THEY ARE CONSIDERED AS CATHOLICS IN STATE OF GRAVE SIN.
[kasi hindi naman po sila united with the church teachings?]
IT MEANS THEY ARE TRAITOR TO THE CHURCH. BUT UNLESS FORMAL EXCOMMUNICATION IS HANDED OR THEY HAVE COMMITTED ACTS PUNISHABLE BY IMMEDIATE EXCOMMUNICATION SUCH AS ABORTION THEY ARE STILL CATHOLIC ALBEIT AN UNFAITHFUL ONE.
[Salamat po,, Godbless..]
GOD BLESS YOU TOO.
Salamat po Fr. Abe. May gusto pa po sana ako itanong. kung ok lng po.
ReplyDeleteIsa sa mga sinasabi nila po ay yung mga Catholic countries po tulad ng Spain at ibang european countries ay meron health bill po bakit daw po dito sa atin ay ang CBCP ay tutol pa rin dito? ano po ang view niyo ukol dito?
salamat po uli..
[Isa sa mga sinasabi nila po ay yung mga Catholic countries po tulad ng Spain at ibang european countries ay meron health bill po bakit daw po dito sa atin ay ang CBCP ay tutol pa rin dito? ano po ang view niyo ukol dito?]
ReplyDeleteNANALO ANG RH BILL SA SPAIN KASI ANG MGA OBISPO DUON AY HINDI LUMABAN. KAYA LUMAGANAP ANG CONTRACEPTIVES AT ABORTIONS MULA SA MGA SOCIALISTANG POLITICO.
SUBALIT NGAYON, TAON TAON ABOUT 2 MILLION SPANIARDS ARE RALLYING TO STOP ABORTIONS AND CONTRACEPTIONS BUT IT IS MORE DIFFICULT TO OVERTURN. KAYA HINDI NATIN SILA DAPAT TULARAN. KASI NAKITA NA NATIN ANG MASAMANG EPEKTO NITO SA LIPUNAN NG SPAIN AT NG MGA BANSANG IYON.
Why would the Bible write the word "muslim"? islam/muslim is not yet even existed at the time of St John, the writer of Apocalypse/Revelation. Outside the Christian religion are all gentile-made religion.
ReplyDeleteIN MY POINT OF VIEW.. IBA ANG DIYOS NG MGA MUSLIM SA DIYOS NATING MGA KATOLIKO!
ReplyDeleteBAKIT? SI JESUS, NAGTURO NG PAGMAMAHAL SA KAAWAY!! PERO ANG PROPETA NILA NA SI MUHAMMAD AY NAGTURON NG PAGPATAY SA KANILANG MGA KAAWAY IN THE FORM OF JIHAD!!
IBA ANG KATURUAN NI JESUS SA KATURUAN NI MUHAMMAD! THEREFORE, IBA ANG DIYOS NATIN SA DIYOS NILA!!
MAIHAHAMBING YAN SA MGA ANAK NI AARON NOONG LUMANG TIPAN.. NG GAMITIN NILA NG HINDI WASTO ANG APOY NG PANGINOON! ANG APOY NA GINAMIT NILA ANG SIYANG TUMUPOK SA KANILA!!
LESSON: MAY KARAPATAN YUNG MGA ANAK NI AARON SA PRIESTHOOD OF COURSE ANAK SILA NI AARON PERO MALI ANG KANILANG PAG-GAMIT.
I DOUBT NA SILA ANG LAHI NI ISMAEL.. HEHEHE...
[Why would the Bible write the word "muslim"? islam/muslim is not yet even existed at the time of St John,]
ReplyDeleteTHAT IS WHY YOUR INTERPRETATION IS WRONG BECAUSE YOU INTERPRETED THE TEXT AS REFERRING TO THE MUSLIMS.
[the writer of Apocalypse/Revelation. Outside the Christian religion are all gentile-made religion.]
THAT PHRASE REFERS BASICALLY TO THE PAGANS. THE ECUMENICAL COUNCIL IN UNION WITH THE POPE ALREADY STATED THAT JUDAISM AND ISLAM ALSO BELIEVE IN THE ONE TRUE GOD. DO NOT IMPOSE YOUR OWN PERSONAL INTERPRETATION.
THE VATICAN II DOCUMENT NOSTRA AETATE #3 ACTUALLY QUOTED A PRE-VATICAN II POPE AND A CANONIZED SAINT IN THE CITATION, POPE ST. GREGORY VII WHO RECOGNIZED IN HIS LETTER TO A MOSLEM KING THAT ISLAM WORSHIPS THE ONE GOD WHO IS MERCIFUL.
IT IS NOT JUST CHRISTIAN RELIGION REFERRED TO THERE BUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THE SSPX ARE OUTSIDE OF IT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT IN COMMUNION WITH THE VICAR OF CHRIST.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE FROM ME..
ReplyDeleteIBA ANG KRISTO NATING MGA KATOLIKO, SA KRISTO NG IGLESIA NI CRISTO..
BAKIT? KASI ANG KRISTO NILA TAO LANG E! TAONG PINANGANAK, TAONG NANGARAL, TAONG NAMATAY, TAO PA RIN NG NABUHAY MAGULI, AT KAHIT NGAYON NA NASA LANGIT NA TAO PA RIN!! AT TAO PA RING BABALIK SA SECOND COMING!! WHAT THE HELL!!
SI KRISTO NA RIN ANG NAGSABI, MARAMING URI NG KRISTO NA LILITAW!! PATI SI QUIBOLOY NG KULTO SA DAVAO, SYA DAW ANG SON OF GOD!!
KAKAKILABOT!!
PERO OF COURSE, ANG JESUKRISTO NATIN ANG TUNAY!!! DIYOS NA NAGKATAWANG TAO PARA SA KALIGTASAN NG UNIVERSAL NA IGLESIA NG DIYOS-IGLESIA KATOLIKA APOSTOLIKA ROMANA LANG!!
GUSTO NYONG MAKITA ANG WANGIS NYA? SEARCH NYO LANG... NUESTRO PADRE JESUS NAZARENO SA WIKIPEDIA OR GOOGLE!!
i think iba nga Dios ng Muslim sa Catholics.
ReplyDeletekasi iba yung turo..
kung sasabihin nating interpretasyon ng tao ang nagiba..with in the bible pwedi pa yon..like protestants..baptists..INC..
pero Koran and Bible..hindi pareho..
yung nakasulat sa bible hindi nmn interpretasyon yon..nakasulat..pinasulat ng Dios accdng to the bible..
sa Koran nmn..pinasulat ng Dios ng Islam..
kung IISA sila bakit iba yung PINASULAT..chaos at kaguluhan yon..
kaya IBA ANG PINASULAT..kasi IBA YUng DIOS from koran and bible..
MALAYA KAYO SA INYONG MGA OPINYON KUNG PARA SA INYO AY MAGKA-IBA. SUBALIT ANG OPISYAL NA TURO NG IGLESIA CATOLICA NUON PA MAN, BAGO PA MAG VATICAN II AY MALINAW. IISA ANG ALLAH ANG MGA MUSLIM AT ANG DIOS AMA NG CHRISTIANISMO AT MGA JUDIO.
ReplyDeleteMALAYA KAYO SA INYONG MGA OPINYON KUNG PARA SA INYO AY MAGKA-IBA. SUBALIT ANG OPISYAL NA TURO NG IGLESIA CATOLICA NUON PA MAN, BAGO PA MAG VATICAN II AY MALINAW. IISA ANG ALLAH ANG MGA MUSLIM AT ANG DIOS AMA NG CHRISTIANISMO AT MGA JUDIO.
ReplyDeleteCan you cite some reference? links? books? that support your claim? that each of the religion you mentioned are the same god? Encyclicals perhaps? or any Document except maybe of Vatican II documentations?
MALAYA KAYO SA INYONG MGA OPINYON KUNG PARA SA INYO AY MAGKA-IBA.
tinuturuan nyo po ba sila mag apostatize? Malaya? so I have freedom to think anything i want like Christ is not God? what a lame Apologist. Go back to seminary!
NOSTRA AETATE # 3 WHICH STATES:
ReplyDelete"The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God." [On The Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions, no. 3]
KUNG TITIGNAN MO ANG ORIGINAL DOCUMENT NA IYAN NG VATICAN II THAT STATEMENT REFERRING TO THE MOSLEM GOD AS 'ONE, LIVING... MERCIFUL.." AY QUOTE FROM A PRE-VATICAN II SAINT: "5. Cf St. Gregory VII, letter XXI to Anzir (Nacir), King of Mauritania (Pl. 148, col. 450f.) " KAYA KUNG PARA SA IYO AY MASAMA YAN. E DI MASAMA DIN SI ST. GREGORY VII. HE, HE, HE... SINO SI ST. GREGORY VII? SIEMPRE ANG SANTO PAPA DURING THE 11TH CENTURY NA ISANG CANONIZED SAINT AT CONSIDERED AS ONE OF THE GREATEST POPES. HE, HE, HE... ITO ANG SABI NG CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA OF 1915 [PRE-VATICAN II DIN]: "One of the greatest of the Roman pontiffs and one of the most remarkable men of all times; born between the years 1020 and 1025, at Soana, or Ravacum, in Tuscany; died 25 May, 1085, at Salerno."
THE 21st ECUMENICAL COUNCIL IS APPROVED AND SIGNED BY MORE THAN 2,000 BISHOPS AND PROMULGATED BY POPE PAUL VI AND POPE GREGORY VII IS NOT ONLY A PRE VATICAN II POPE BUT A CANONIZED SAINT AS WELL.
BASTA SAKIN FATHER.. PALAGAY KO LANG PO YUN.. :)
ReplyDeleteNIRERESPETO KO ANG MGA OPINYON NINYO. SUBALIT YUNG MGA NAG-AAKUSA SA AKIN NA OPINYON KO LANG ANG BINIBIGAY KO E NAGKAKAMALI SILA. DAHIL HINDI KO OPINYON YAN.
ReplyDeletefather matanong ko lang po..kasi medyo naguguluhan ako..kung si jesus christ po ay dios baket nung time na nag aayuno sya eh nagawang tuksuhin sya ni satanas? Ang point ko po eh kung alam ni satanas na sya ay dios mismo diba dapat manginginig na sa takot si satanas?pero baket nagawa nya pang tuksuhin si kristo?
ReplyDeleteNAGAWANG TUKSUHIN NI SATANAS SI JESUS DAHIL NAGKATAWANG TAO SIYA. SIYA AY BUMABA SA LUPA AT NAGING KAISA NATIN SA LAHAT NG BAGAY.
ReplyDeleteISA PA, SATAN IS NOT GOD. HINDI NYA ALAM ANG LAHAT NG BAGAY. HINDI NYA AGAD ALAM NA ANG KAHARAP NYA AY DIOS. MAY LIMITATION DIN ANG KAALAMAN NI SATANAS. LATER WHEN JESUS STARTED PERFORMING MIRACLES AND PREACHING UNTI UNTI RING NA REALIZE NI SATAN ANG PAGKA DIOS NI CRISTO. LATER NANGINGINIG NA ANG MGA DEMONIO SA HARAPAN NI JESUS. PERO SA TEMPTATION ON THE MOUNT PA UMPISA PA LANG ANG MINISTERIO NI JESUS.
FATHER, ito ay opinyon ko lang. Kapareho natin ang mga muslim sa paniniwalang ang Dios ay IIsa, Creator, Merciful, All-powerful, Wise, etc. Sa tingin ko ay itong aspetong ito ang tinutumbok ng mga documentong nabanggit ninyo dito. Agree po ako diyan.
ReplyDeletePero, sa kabilang dako naman po, napakalinaw din naman na masyadong malaki ang kaibahan ng PAGKAKAKILALA natin sa Diyos. Si Allah ay hindi Father. Blasphemy para sa mga muslim na tawaging Father ang Diyos. Wala daw siyang Anak. Walang Trinity sa Islam.
Aside from the total denial of the Fatherhood of God, there is also a total rejection of the divinity of Jesus. But the most glaring difference to me is the fact that Allah does not command anyone to love anything. God is Love. But Allah does not love. The Koran calls Allah MAKAR, or DECIEVER. The Bible says there is no guile or deception in God. The difference could go on and on, without any possibility of reconciliation.
Again, accepting some points of agreement with Islam pertaining to the nature of God does not mean ignoring the great chasm that separates the Christians faith from the Muslim faith. To ignore this would be a great disservice to the truth.
Dear Bro. Manny,
ReplyDeleteI AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY.
Yes, there are points wherein we believe in common but there are also areas where there is a great divide. Very true.
When we are in dialogue we stress more the commonality than the differences. When we are in debate or discussion we stress the differences.
I know that because I have encountered these Moslems and have debated them on several occasions whether online or personal. Of course, I pointed the differences and I TOLD THEM FACE TO FACE THAT THEY ARE WRONG. On the other hand, I am explaining to our readers the ecumenical actions of the Pope because he was there not to debate but to express friendship and to built an atmosphere of peace for the Millions of Catholics and Moslems.
Good for us because we are not Popes. But if we are a leader we must do what the Pope is doing. We must show concretely our love and respect of others. Yes, we believe that they are wrong but pastoral necessity requires also that we build peace, love and respect otherwise the atmosphere of animosity will never be replaced by charity and peace.
Greetings of peace!
ReplyDeleteI've been following your discussions here and I have two things to ask. First, where can I find the complete text of Pope St. Gregory VII's letter to Anzir (Nacir), King of Mauritania? Patron saint ko po kasi si Pope St. Gregory VII because I was born on his feast day (May 25) kaya interested ako sa mga works niya. Moreover, I was named after him.
My second question is this: I read somewhere that only the Hebrew God (consequently, the Christian God) revealed Himself to man. Hindi po ba't nag-reveal din si God (Allah) kay Mohammed at yung revelations na yun ang naka-record sa holy book ng Islam na Koran? If God really made a revelation to Mohammed, bakit ang sabi ng Vatican II eh wala nang susunod pang revelation after Jesus Christ because He is the Father's definitive revelation? So what kind of revelation was given to Mohammed?
Thank you very much. May God bless you for your work of enlightening us to the truths of our Faith...
Dear Greg,
ReplyDeleteI've been searching for the text also in the web but nothing comes out except the same citation in Nostra Aetate of Vatican II. We know that the quote is valid and true. Nobody questions that. But it seems that the text is not yet completely translated into English and no scholar has thought of posting it completely. Well, let us continue searching. May be we can find it in Latin or Arabic. He, he, he...
CONGRATULATIONS HA. YOU ARE NAMED AFTER A GREAT SAINT AND POPE. THE CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA CALLED HIM: ONE OF THE GREATEST EVER.
Now going to your second question:
[My second question is this: I read somewhere that only the Hebrew God (consequently, the Christian God) revealed Himself to man.]
THE ONE AND ONLY GOD REVEALED HIMSELF TO MAN. THE HEBREW GOD IS THE GOD OF ALL. AND YOU MUST BEAR IN MIND THAT IN THE BIBLE BESIDES THE REVELATION THERE IS THE MANIFESTATION OF GOD IN NATURE OR IN CREATION. IT IS THE OFFICIAL TEACHING OF THE CHURCH THAT GOD CAN BE KNOWN BY NATURAL REASONS EVEN WITHOUT THE AID OF REVELATION. EVEN HIGH SCHOOL CATHOLICS OR THOSE WHO SIMPLY READS THE CATECHISM KNOW THAT.
LET ME CHECK THE PRE-VATICAN II CLASSIC CATECHSIM, MY CATHOLIC FAITH by Msgr. Louis LaRavoire Morrow, STD (p. 12:
How do we know by our reason that God exists? - We know by our reason that God exists, because of:
1. The existence of the world.
2. The order and harmony of the whole universe.
3. The Testimony of our conscience.
NOW, ARE THE ARABS IGNORANT OF THE EXISTENCE OF THE WORLD? HE, HE, HE.. ARE THEY RECOGNIZING THE ORDER AND HARMONY OF THE WORLD? NO... IN FACT THEY ARE USING THE SAME ARISTOTELIAN PHILOSOPHY THAT ST. THOMAS AQUINAS USED. THE ARISTOTOLEAN PHILOSOPHY OF GOD AS:
1. UNMOVED MOVER
2. THE UNCAUSED CAUSE
3. THE NECESSARY BEING
4. THE MOST PERFECT BEING
5. THE GOVERNOR OF THE WORLD
THIS FIVE WAYS OF ST. THOMAS IS DERIVED FROM ARITSTOTLE AND WERE DID THE MEDIEVAL THINKERS GOT THEIR COPY OF ARISTOTLE? FROM THE ARAB PHILOSOPHERS. ACTUALLY THE ARABS ARE USING THE SAME ARGUMENTS FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD. I AM NOT SPEAKING OF CHRISTIAN ARABS BUT OF THE MOSLEM ARABS.
ST. PAUL TEACHES THIS. THE BIBLE TEACHES THIS. THE CHURCH TEACHES THIS. THAT THE PAGANS AND ALL HUMAN BEINGS ARE CAPABLE OF KNOWING GOD IF THEY WILL ONLY LOOK AT CREATION:
ReplyDeleteRomans 1:19-20 "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"
THIS IS NOT ONLY FOR THE ARABS BUT THE SAME FOR THE GREEKS. ST. PAUL RECOGNIZES THE PRESENCE OF THE TRUE GOD AMONG PAGANS. HE IS NOT AS NARROW MINDED AS DECLARING THEM TO BE ALL HEATHENS AND DEVIL-WORSHIPERS. LOOK AT THIS:
Act 17:22-23 "Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you."
IMAGINE, EVEN THOUGH THE AREA IS SURROUNDED BY IDOLS AND PAGAN gods and goddesses ST. PAUL STILL PROCLAIMED THAT THE ATHENIANS UNKNOWINGLY WORSHIP THE TRUE GOD. ST. PAUL IS TOO ECUMENICAL HERE. IF THE SSPX AND THE SEDEVACANTISTS WERE PRESENT THEY WOULD HAVE CONDEMNED HIM AS HERETICAL, MODERNIST AND UNFAITHFUL TO THE 2,000 YEAR SACRED TRADITION. HE, HE, HE...
THE MOSLEMS LOOKED AT CREATION AND THEY FOUND THE CREATOR MANIFESTED IN THEM. THAT IS WHY IT CAN BE SAID THAT THE MOSLEMS MAKE NATURAL ACTS OF RELIGION. AS ONE COMMENTER IN RORATE CAELI HAD EXPLAINED BEAUTIFULLY:
ReplyDeleteThe great Jesuit scholastic of the Counter-Reformation, Francisco Suarez, explains in one of his commentaries on St. Thomas:
"Thomas, however, rightly distinguishes two kinds of religious practices: there are those which go against reason and against God insofar as he can be recognized through nature and through the natural powers of the soul, e.g., the worship of idols, etc. Others are contrary to the Christian religion and to its commands not because they are evil in themselves or contrary to reason as, for example, the practices of Jews and even many of the customs of Mohammedans and such unbelievers who believe in one true God."
Suarez, Tract. de Fide Disp. 18 Sect. III
This is why Muslims have traditionally been classified as infidels or even heretics, rather than heathens. They are not idolators as are those who worship created things or imaginary beings with a contingent essence.
ACTUALLY, EVEN SOCRATES, PLATO AND ARISTOTLE AND SOME PRE-CHRISTIAN PHILOSOPHERS HAVE ATTAINED TRUE CONCEPT OF GOD, BUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE IS INCOMPLETE AND IMPARTIAL STILL DUE TO THE ABSENCE OF REVELATION OF CHRIST.
GOD MANIFESTED HIMSLEF TO ALL. BUT HE REVEALED HIMSELF TO THE HEBREW RACE FIRST... AND THROUGH THE JEWS THE REVELATION SHALL BE SPREAD TO ALL PEOPLE AND ALL PLACES [CATHOLIC]. BUT THE GOD WHO REVEALED IS NOT JUST THE HEBREW GOD. HE IS THE GOD OF ALL.
[ Hindi po ba't nag-reveal din si God (Allah) kay Mohammed at yung revelations na yun ang naka-record sa holy book ng Islam na Koran?]
AH, IBANG USAPAN NA YAN. DIYAN NA TAYO NAGKAKATALO. HE, HE, HE...
WE RECOGNIZE THAT THEIR ALLAH [ONE AND ONLY GOD] IS THE SAME WITH THE GOD OF ABRAHAM. BUT WE DO NOT AGREE THAT ALLAH [TAKE NOTE, THE NAME OF OUR CHRISTIAN GOD OR THE HEBREW GOD IN ARABIC IS ALSO ALLAH. IF YOU WILL SPEAK ARABIC YOU WILL NOT SAY GOD, YOU WILL SAY ALLAH] REVEALED THE FULLNESS OF TRUTH TO MOHAMMAD. INSTEAD, JESUS THE CHRIST IS THE FINAL AND ULTIMATE REVELATION OF GOD.
[ If God really made a revelation to Mohammed, bakit ang sabi ng Vatican II eh wala nang susunod pang revelation after Jesus Christ because He is the Father's definitive revelation?]
WE DO NOT ACCEPT THAT GOD REVEALED TO MOHAMMAD. JESUS IS THE FINAL AND DEFINITIVE REVELATION. THE PERFECTION OF REVELATION WAS GIVEN BY JESUS AND THERE IS NO OTHER REVELATION THAT CAME AFTERWARD.
[ So what kind of revelation was given to Mohammed?]
A FAKE REVELATION.
[Thank you very much. May God bless you for your work of enlightening us to the truths of our Faith...]
PRAISE THE LORD. THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU TOO.
Opinyon lang po, ang Diyos ng mga Muslim ay pareho ng Diyos ng mga kristyano. KAtulad rin ng pagkakaalam ko, na ang Diyos ng mga anghel at ng mga rebeldeng anghel ay iisa( di bat naginginig pa ang mga ito?) walang pagaargumentuhan patungkol diyan. Tama po ang statement at ang apologetics ni Fr. Abe.
ReplyDeleteMagkakaroon lamang po ng pagkakaiba ay kung papaano ang mabuting balita ay naihayag sa atin, manong pag-isipang maige ang comparison.
Naihayag sa atin ang mabuting balita nung dumating ang ating Panginoon JEsus, at ang buong buhay niya ang siyang naging panuntunan natin para sa kaligtasan. Si Jesus na totoong tao at totoong Diyos, maging ang rebeldeng anghel ay tumukso sa kanya( na may pangignig siempre), ano ba itong rebeldeng anghel? dibat sya ang ama ng kasinungalingan?
Malay mo kung ang anghel na kausap ni Mohamed ay isa sa mga rebelde at naganyong mabuting anghel.
Ang pahayag naman ng mga kapatid natin muslim, ang koran ay pinaabot sa kanila ni Mohamed sa pamamagitan ng pakikipagusap sa anghel.
tandaan lamang na hindi lamang tao o anghel ang naghatid ng mabuting balita o ang mismong mabuting balita, Syay si Jesus na tao at Diyos.n hindi isa lamang anghel.
Purihin ang Panginoon, Papuring kataastaasan!
dear father abe
ReplyDeletetingin ko nga din po fake revelation yung kay mohammad
kasi bakit ganun
sabi ng mga muslim si ismael daw yung iaalay dati kay God ni Abraham hindi si Isaac?
basta iba po yung bible nila
alam nyo po ba kung bakit iba yung koran sa bibliya nating mga kristyano?
tanggap po ba ng catholic church na valid yung content nun?
maraming salamat po!
chen
PARA SA ATIN MARAMING MALI NA NAKASULAT SA KORAN SUBALIT MERON DING MGA ILANG TAMA. KAGAYA NANG IISA LANG ANG DIOS AT ANG TUNGKOL KAY MAMA MARY NA PINAKITAAN NG ANGHEL GABRIEL
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