Sunday, October 10, 2010

PAPANO KUNG ANG BATA AY NABINYAGAN SA PROTESTANTE AT CATOLICO, ALIN DUON ANG TUNAY NA BINYAG?

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Anonymous said...

Hi Fr. Abe, ano po mangyayari kung ibaptize ang baby sa Protestant saka sa Catholic? invalid ba yun? Ano po ba ang effect nun sa Catholic side?

Thanks.

Curious George

October 10, 2010 9:17 AM
Fr. Abe, CRS said...

[Hi Fr. Abe, ano po mangyayari kung ibaptize ang baby sa Protestant saka sa Catholic? invalid ba yun? Ano po ba ang effect nun sa Catholic side?]

KUNG ANG BAUTISMO SA PROTESTANT AY GINAWA WITH WATER AND TRINITARIAN FORMULA: "I BAPTIZE YOU IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT" [Mateo 28:19] ANG BINYAG AY VALID NA AT HINDI NA KAILANGAN PANG BINYAGAN ULI KAHIT SA CATHOLIC CHURCH. KASI ISA LANG ANG BAUTISMO, HINDI NA INUULIT. PERO KAPAG INVALID YUNG BAPTISM SA PROTESTANT THEN THE BABY MUST BE BAPTIZED AGAIN IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

SA DALAWANG BINYAG, ISA LANG DUON ANG VALID. IF THE BABY IS PROPERLY BAPTIZED EVEN IN THE PROTESTANT SECT THERE IS NO NEED TO BAPTIZE HIM AGAIN IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THE CATHOLIC BAPTISM IS GIVEN ONLY TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT YET BAPTIZED OR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN BAPTIZED INVALIDLY. THE VALIDITY OF BAPTISM IS NOT CONFINED TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ONLY BUT ON THE INTENTION, THEN THE USE OF WATER AND THE TRINITARIAN FORMULA WHICH IS THE ONE GIVEN BY THE LORD JESUS.

October 10, 2010 12:06 PM
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27 comments:

  1. If the priest is unsure of the validity of the baptism in protestant faith either in the matter or formula, then the priest can opt for conditional baptism.

    Henry

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  2. hmmm nice to know... so father, during emergencies, can a lay conduct an emergency baptism using the trinitarian formula?

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  3. Fr. Abe! Nakakatuwa naman po at sinagot ninyo agad ang katanungan ko. Naliwanagan na po ako. God bless po and have a good week!

    Curious George

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  4. Fr. Abe, paano po kung tumatanggap ng communion sa Catholic church pero hindi naman po na-confirm, at nabinyagan lang po siya sa Catholic church nung sanggol pa?

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  5. lahat po ba ng Christian churches ay tunay?

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  6. SIEMPRE HINDI KASI ISA LANG ANG TUNAY. ANG IBA LATER INVENTIONS NA LANG.

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  7. [Fr. Abe, paano po kung tumatanggap ng communion sa Catholic church pero hindi naman po na-confirm, at nabinyagan lang po siya sa Catholic church nung sanggol pa?]

    MAGPAKUMPIL NA LANG SIYA ASAP OR IN THE NEAREST FIESTA.

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  9. [hmmm nice to know... so father, during emergencies, can a lay conduct an emergency baptism using the trinitarian formula?]

    YES BROTHER.

    IF FOR INSTANCE, A CHILD IS DYING IN THE HOSPITAL BED OR AT HOME AND HE OR SHE IS NOT YET BAPTIZED THE PARENTS OR THE GRANDPARENTS OR ANYBODY CAN BAPTIZE THE CHILD USING WATER AND THE TRINITARIAN FORMULA AND IT WILL BE VALID.

    NOT JUST THE CATHOLIC LAY. EVEN PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT RELIGION CAN DO SO IF THEY ARE REQUESTED AND ARE WILLING TO DO SO. FOR INSTANCE, A CATECHUMEN SOLDIER WAS SHOT DURING THE BATTLEFIELD AND HE IS ABOUT TO DIE WITHOUT A PRIEST TO ADMINISTER THE BAPTISM. HE CAN REQUEST HIS BUDDHIST FRIEND OR A BORN AGAIN FRIEND TO BATIZED HIM WITH WATER AND THE TRINITARIAN FORMULA.

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  10. CORRECT BRO. HENRY.

    KAPAG HINDI SURE ANG PARI KUNG TALAGANG NABINYAGAN NG TAMA, BIBIGYAN NIYA ANG TAONG CONCERN NG CONDITIONAL BAPTISM.

    KAPAG VALID AT CORRECT ANG FIRST BAPTISM WALANG BISA ANG CONDITIONAL BAPTISM. SUBALIT KAPAG INVALID O MALI ANG FIRST BAPTISM THE CONDITIONAL BAPTISM WILL BE THE TRUE BAPTISM OF THE PERSON.

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  11. Ako bininyagana ako sa Simbahang Katoliko according to the rite of the Roman Catholic Church.

    Pagkatapos ako ay umanib sa Iglesia ni Cristong Tao at nabautismuhan sa kanilang Central ng aking yakapin ang kanilang Doktrina..

    Ngayon, eto ako.. Balik-loob sa TUNAY NA IGLESIA NG DIYOS-ANG SIMBAHANG KATOLIKO!!

    Ang aking kinikilalang binyag? Of course ang binyag ko sa Simbahang Katoliko!!

    para sa akin INVALID ang binyag ko sa INC!!
    hehehe...
    langoy langoy lang yun sa swimming pool pero hindi yun tunay na binyag!

    common sense na lang si Jesukristo bininyagan.. si Manalo hindi bininyagan sa Iglesia nya!

    :)

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  12. ahhh i did not know that... thanks father!

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  13. Dear Fr. Abe,
    Thank You for your post!
    I have a question. Valid din po ba ang kasal sa ibang religion? May blessing din po ba sila ni God pag ung mga pastor or ministro nila ang nag pataw sakanila ng blessing/kasal?
    I know po na masasagot nyo po ang tanong ko. Thank you and God Bless!

    -Proud Catholic

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  14. That Marriage is Invalid because the minister is not the true Minister of the Church and it is not done according to the Valid Rite of the Church.

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  15. Good Day po Fr.Abe!

    last week of May 2010 po nmatay yong pamangkin ko n 3weeks old plang.baby p po xang nmatay.. di p po sya nbinyagan.nung bago po sya ilibing bininyagan po sa sya ng "kaabag" yong katulong ng pari n mgbigay ng Hustiya during communion.. my effect p po ba yon?patay n kasi yong Baby.. tapos duda rin po ako s paraan ng pagbinyag nong "kaabag" kasi po pagkatapos ng Prayer winisikan sya ng Holy Water tapos ng sign of the Cross sya s noo ng Baby without saying the Formula: "I baptize u in the name of the Father & of The Son & of The Holy Spirit"

    instead, ang sinabi po nya " o ayan nbinyagan kana Baby."sabay yong signing of the Cross s noo ng bata.

    tapos hindi npo dinaan s Simbahan kasi ok n po daw yong ginawa ng kaabag, kasi wala nman daw kasalanan ang Baby kasi Baby p sya.

    nag dalawang isip po talaga ako non Fr. gusto ko po sana syang binyagan uli bago tinakpan yong kabaong. kaso po s alam ko in case of Emergency lng po n pwede ang "Lay Catholic mgbaptize" e patay n po e.. s hospital kasi sya nmatay.. may Holy Water din nman kasing binasbas yong Kaabag. I insist po talaga n p basbasan s Simbahan ng pari talaga, kaso yong mga matatanda s amin ang ng sabi n pwede n daw pong hindi kasi baby nman daw po so wala pang kasalanan..
    pinagsisihan ko po yon Fr. Abe kung duda po ako sana bininyaga ko nlng kahit p sekreto pag talikod n ng "Kaabag". kaso po s pag iisip ko kung tama ba yong ginawa nung kaabag,ntakpan npo yong kabaong kaya di ko n po nagawa.may Faith din nman po kasi ako s Validity ng Holy Water n ginamit n pagbasbas s Baby.
    isang gabi lng kasing nilamayan yong baby.

    May kasalanan po ba ako dun Fr?sana po wala. pinagsisihan ko nman e..naguguluhan talaga ako nun.ng txt ako kina Kuya Ryan dat tym kaso late n po ng malaman kong pwede for assurance in case n di maging valid yong ginawa ng kaabag s aming barangay.

    tsaka po valid po ba yong ginawa ng kaabag?

    ano po masasabi nyo Fr? hanggang ngayon may pagsisi po ako Fr. kung sana nagawa ko lng agad.

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  16. Fr.Abe,

    Pwede po bang humingi ng favor? paki sali nman po s Mass nyo yong pamangkin kong nmatay yong Baby c Ian Clark Pagalan po.. hindi po kasi ako mapalagay. sana maliwanagan nyo po ako s bagay tungkol po don s unang mensahe ko po.

    Maraming Salamat po Talaga Fr. Abe..

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  17. Yes, Janesa. I will remember Ian Clark in prayer before the Altar of the Lord.

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  18. Janesa, I don't know what Kaabag is.

    It appears to me based on your narration that Baby Ian Clark was not properly baptized. So, then let us pray for his soul. However, don't be discouraged or be at pain. Because there is a BAPTISM BY DESIRE in our Catholic Faith. The fact that his family wanted him to be baptized but the circumstances beyond the family's control didn't make it possible qualifies for Baptism of Desire. By desire, Ian Clark is already a member of the Catholic Church because he is the heir of his family's Catholic Faith.

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  19. ah oke po Fr.. salamat nman po.at buti nman may Baptism of Desire tayo s Catholic.hehehe..
    salamat po s Prayer intention Fr.

    sya nga po pala.. yong "kaabag" lay minister po yata yon--- yong katulong po ng pari ng mgbigay ng Holy Eucharist s mga mg communion po. Bisayan term kasi yon Fr. hehehe

    God Bless po Fr. atleast po panatag npo ang loob ko s bagay n yan..hehehe

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  20. On the other hand, the Catholic Church Does not recognize the validity of the Mormons:

    CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH

    RESPONSE TO A 'DUBIUM'
    on the validity of baptism conferred by
    «The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints»,
    called «Mormons»


    Question: Whether the baptism conferred by the community «The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints», called «Mormons» in the vernacular, is valid.

    Response: Negative.

    The Supreme Pontiff John Paul II, in the Audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect, approved the present Response, decided in the Sessione Ordinaria of this Congregation, and ordered it published.

    From the Offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, 5 June 2001.



    + Joseph Cardinal RATZINGER
    Prefect



    + Tarcisio BERTONE, S.D.B.
    Archbishop emeritus of Vercelli
    Secretary

    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20010605_battesimo_mormoni_en.html

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  21. FR. HOW ABOUT NAMAN PO KUNG SA AGLIPAYAN CHURCH NABIYAGAN VALID DIN PO PA BA UN??

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  22. I think the reason is on the wrong formula used by the Mormons.

    The same thing can be said for some Born Again or Protestant groups who baptizes saying: "I baptize you in the Name of Jesus." THIS IS SURELY WRONG.

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  23. [FR. HOW ABOUT NAMAN PO KUNG SA AGLIPAYAN CHURCH NABIYAGAN VALID DIN PO PA BA UN??]

    WE ARE NOT SURE WITH THE AGLIPAYAN. KASI MAY MGA PARI SILANG HINDI TRINITARIAN ANG GAMIT SA BINYAG. WE FOUND THAT WHEN WE WERE SEMINARIANS. OUR SEMINARIANS IN LUBAO, PAMPANGA CONVERTED BACK TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH 60% OF THE BARRIO FOLKS.

    OUR PRIESTS DECIDED TO ADMINISTER BAPTISM TO THE CONVERTS KASI WE ARE NOT SURE OF THEIR FORMULA. PA IBA-IBA.

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  24. HELO PO FR. ABE!

    ITS MY BIRTHDAY TODAY! HEHEHE... PRAISE BE GOD FOREVER.. PWEDE PO HINGI FAVOR FR.?REMEMBER ME PO IN YOUR MASS TODAY. A THANKS GIVING LNG PO FOR THE LORD IN GIVING ME ANOTHER FRUITFUL YEAR.HEHEE.. LUBOS-LUBOSIN KO N RIN PO FR. KUNG OKE LNG PO THIS OCT28 A THANKS GIVING DIN PO FOR THE BLESSING ALSO OF HAVING A 2ND LIFE ON EARTH.HEHEHE.. .. 6PM KASI YONG OUT KO S WORK. HANGGANG 5.30 PM LNG PO KASI ANG LAST MASS DITO S DVO. PERO MMYA PO PAG OUT KO MAGSISINDI PO AKO NG KANDILA... FOR THANKS GIVING.HEHEHE..

    SALAMAT PO SA LAHAT FR, ABE HA... HEHEHE

    GOD BLESS U PO AT S BLOG NYO.

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  25. HAPPY BIRTHDAY JANESA. MAY THE LORD FILL YOU WITH SO MUCH BLESSINGS, NOW AND FOREVER.

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  26. hello po ahmm...pwede po humingi ng favor???paki pray po na sana makapasa ako sa scholarship exam sa mindanao state university.... thank you po

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