St. Peter, the First Pope and Keeper of the Keys of Heaven
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Father Abe,
Vatican II did not declare to be a dogmatic council. In matters of Faith and Moral no council can override what have been declared by previous 'DOGMATIC COUNCIL'. You for one should know that.
[quote] "Yes it is LAWFUL and Official Mass of the Roman Rite Church- not of the ENTIRE CATHOLIC CHURCH- because there are distinct rites and masses from the Roman rite that were retained, and that Includes the Divine Liturgy of the Eastern Catholics." [/quote]
As said, it has always been the LAWFUL mass and not just selected Church. The Catholic Church as declared by Pope St. Pius V allowed celebration of other norms, if and only if, it has been practiced for more than 200 years. Others are bound to observe the Tridentine Latin Mass and no bishop can stop any priests wanting to celebrate it. There is Wisdom to that, because St. Pope Pius V knew then that there will be people who shall adulterate the mass and distort the Faith of the Church.
If then it is lawful why then you should follow one which was concocted by PROTESTANTS? Light have no part in darkness. And today, a many Catholics no longer know left from right and vice versa.
Then we go to obedience and disobedience. Would st. paul then allow the action of St. peter that is not in line with Church's doctrine? Of course not. St. Paul in Acts corrected St. Peter. Correction does not mean schism. And, in matters of confusion, one can follow what the Church has handed down with Infallible declaration by the Dogmatic Council -- Vatican 1.
This is one thing Catholics need to discern. THE POPE IS NOT ABOVE TRADITION --- THE FAITH DEPOSITED THROUGHOUT THE TIMES AND HAVE BEEN TAUGHT BY THE CHURCH.
When does infallibility apply on the Pope? Is the Pope infallible at all times? You should also be aware Father that a many bishops and priests today do not even follow the Holy Father in affirming the Faith. Where do you give the host ... hand? or tongue? The Holy Father expressed kneeling while receiving the host with the tongue and yet a many priests do not obey that call. And, now you qualify what is obedience and disobedience?
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http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope_prefers_communion_on_the_tongue_msgr._marini_says/
Therefore father, when a Pope no longer confirm the faith of the Church -- it is not disobedience to the Church of not following a Pope's bad example. Infallibility does not rest on the Pope at all times.
Moreover, what the SSPX reject are teachings that goes contrary to what the Church have taught and declared Dogmatically. They do not question the Pope as successor of Peter. With that, the SSPX pray that the Pope continue to fight for the True Faith.
Do not be confused with the Anglicans. While the Anglican kept their own structure separate from the Church --- (a true sign of disobedience); the SSPX does not desire to have a new structure but only to continue what the Church have Infallibly taught throughout the times. Because of their desire to continue what the Church have brought to the world, they are scorned and declared to be disobeying the Pope.
Father Abe, cite one false Dogmatic teaching of Vatican 1 that Vatican II have corrected. Why then continuing what the Church clearly taught is a sin?
- Fr. Abe, CRS said...
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[Vatican II did not declare to be a dogmatic council.]
THE SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL IS BOTH DOGMATIC AND PASTORAL. ALL ECUMENICAL COUNCILS ARE BOTH DOGMATIC AND PASTORAL.
VATICAN II ISSUED TWO DOGMATIC CONSTITUTIONS:
1. DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH [LUMEN GENTIUM]
2. DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON DIVINE REVELATION [DEI VERBUM]
AND 1 PASTORAL CONSTITUTION: GAUDIUM ET SPES.
[In matters of Faith and Moral no council can override what have been declared by previous 'DOGMATIC COUNCIL'.]
ONLY AN IDIOT WILL CLAIM THAT VATICAN II OVERRIDE ANY DOGMA OF THE CHURCH. IT IS IN PERFECT HARMONY AND CONTINUITY WITH THE PREVIOUS COUNCILS. AND IF THERE IS ANY CHANGE, THOSE WERE ON THINGS THAT ARE PASTORAL AND NOT DOGMATIC BECAUSE VATICAN II DEALT ALSO ON PASTORAL MATTERS.
[You for one should know that.]
I AM SURPRISED THAT YOU ARE IGNORANT OF IT.
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[As said, it has always been the LAWFUL mass and not just selected Church.]
THE MASS IS LAWFUL IF IT IS CELEBRATED IN COMMUNION WITH THE VICAR OF CHRIST. IF IT IS NOT THEN IT IS ILLEGAL. THE MASSES OF SSPX ARE ILLEGAL BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT IN COMMUNION WITH THE VICAR OF CHRIST.
[The Catholic Church as declared by Pope St. Pius V allowed celebration of other norms, if and only if, it has been practiced for more than 200 years.]
POPE ST. PIUS V WAS REFERRING TO ALL THE VALID MASSES OF THE CHURCH. HE WAS NOT SAYING 'TRIDENTINE LATIN MASS ONLY'. THAT IS WHY IT IS FOOLISH TO INTERPRET HIS DECREE AS IF REFERRING TO TLM ALONE. BESIDES, THE POPE WAS REFERRING TO THE HOLY MASS BUT NOT TO THE PERPETUITY OF RITE OR LITURGICAL ACTIONS. THE MASS IS THE SAME AND UNCHANGING BUT THE LITURGY AND THE RITES ARE EXPERIENCING CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE CENTURIES.
[Others are bound to observe the Tridentine Latin Mass and no bishop can stop any priests wanting to celebrate it.]
THE BISHOP OF ROME CAN STOP ANY PRIEST IN USING ANY RITE OF THE CHURCH. THE TLM IS NOT DIVINE IN ORIGIN. IT WAS A LATER INVENTION ALSO. BUT THE POWER TO BIND AND TO LOOSE OF THE VICAR OF CHRIST IS DIVINE IN ORIGIN. HE CAN APPROVE OR DISALLOW ANY RITE IN THE CHURCH.
ARE YOU IGNORANT OF THAT?
[There is Wisdom to that, because St. Pope Pius V knew then that there will be people who shall adulterate the mass and distort the Faith of the Church.]
POPE ST. PIUS V NEVER TAUGHT THAT THE VICAR OF CHRIST WILL BE THE ONE TO ADULTERATE THE MASS. INSTEAD, THE TRUE MASS SHALL BE PRESERVED BY THE VICAR OF CHRIST. IT IS THE SSPX WHO ARE ADULTERATING THE TLM WITH THEIR CANONICAL DISOBEDIENCE AND LITURGICAL REBELLION.
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[If then it is lawful why then you should follow one which was concocted by PROTESTANTS?]
PROTESTANTS? EXCUSE ME. IVE BEEN DEBATING PROTESTANTS HERE IN THIS GROUP AND AM DOING SO FOR MANY YEARS SINCE I WAS A LAD BUT I NEVER HEARD OF A PROTESTANT LOVING OUR VERNACULAR MASS. THEY HATE IT. PROTESTANTS HATE THE NOVUS ORDO JUST LIKE THE SSPX HATE THE NOVUS ORDO.
IT MEANS THE SSPX AND THE PROTESTANTS ARE POSSESSED BY THE SAME DEMON OF REBELLION AGAINST THE CHURCH AND THE POPE.
[Light have no part in darkness.]
THE SSPX IS IN DARKNESS BECAUSE INSTEAD OF CHOOSING PETER IT CHOSE LEFEBVRE THE CONTEMPORARY AGENT OF LUCIFER.
[And today, a many Catholics no longer know left from right and vice versa.]
DON'T INCLUDE US IN YOUR EVIDENT IGNORANCE.
[Then we go to obedience and disobedience.]
LEFEBVRE AND HIS MINIONS DISOBEYED THE CHURCH AND THE VICAR OF CHRIST AS LUCIFER DID TO GOD AND AS LUTHER DID CENTURIES BACK.
[Would st. paul then allow the action of St. peter that is not in line with Church's doctrine? Of course not.]
YOU SEE, YOU ARE ALREADY USING THE PROTESTANT ARGUMENTS AGAINST THE PAPACY. HA, HA, HA... THAT IS CLASSIC PROTESTANT ARGUMENTATION.
TO CORRECT YOUR IGNORANCE, ST. PETER DIDN'T COMMIT ANY INFRACTION ON MATTERS OF DOCTRINE BUT OF CONDUCT. IT WAS HIS ATTITUDE THAT ST. PAUL WAS CORRECTING. BUT ON MATTERS OF FAITH AND MORALS ST. PAUL IS NOTHING EQUAL WITH ST. PETER. IN FACT IN ACTS 15 ST. PAUL AND ST. BARNABAS WERE NOT BELIEVED BY THE CHRISTIANS AND IT WAS ST. PETER WHO SETTLED THE ISSUE. THE CHRISTIANS LISTENED TO PAUL AFTER ST. PETER SUPPORTED HIM.
[St. Paul in Acts corrected St. Peter.]
IDIOT. THAT IS NOT IN ACTS THAT IS IN GALATIANS 2:11. I'VE MEMORIZED THAT BY CONSTANT DEBATES WITH PROTESTANTS. THEY ARE USING THE SAME ARGUMENT AND REASONING THAT YOU DO.
ARE YOU THAT STUPID OF THE BIBLE? THAT IS ELEMENTARY MY DEAR DUDE D DUDE. HA, HA, HA... IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE LEARNING FROM LEFEBVRE, STUPIDITIES?
[ Correction does not mean schism.]
LEFEBVRE AND THE SSPX ARE NOT CORRECTING THEY ARE REBELLING. THEY ARE COMMITTING ACTIVE REBELLION FROM THE HOLY FATHER. THAT IS SCHISMATIC. YOU AND THEY ARE ACCUSING THE POPE OF HERESY, NOT ONLY THE POPE BUT ALSO THE LATEST ECUMENICAL COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE PAULINE MASS.
[And, in matters of confusion, one can follow what the Church has handed down with Infallible declaration by the Dogmatic Council -- Vatican 1.]
HA, HA, HA... THE VATICAN I DECLARES THE ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE OVER THE CHURCH. THUS IN TIMES OF CRISIS THE FAITHFUL MUST CLING TO THE POPE NOT ON ANY SOCIETY FOUNDED BY A WACKY OLD FOOL.
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[This is one thing Catholics need to discern.]
THE VATICAN 1 DECLARES THE ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE OVER THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH. NO AUTHORITY IN THE CHURCH IS OVER AND BEYOND THAT OF THE BISHOP OF ROME, THE VICAR OF CHRIST.
[THE POPE IS NOT ABOVE TRADITION ---]
THE POPE IS NOT ABOVE TRADITION BUT LEFEBVRE AND THE SSPX ARE NOT ABOVE THE POPE. HA, HA, HA...
THE SSPX AND LEFEBVRE ARE INFERIOR ANIMALS IN COMPARISON WITH THE POPE.
THE POPE IS THE SUPREME GUARDIAN AND INTERPRETER OF TRADITION... NOT THE SSPX AND NOT THEIR WACKY OLD FOOL FOUNDER NAMED MARCEL LEFEBVRE.
[THE FAITH DEPOSITED THROUGHOUT THE TIMES AND HAVE BEEN TAUGHT BY THE CHURCH.]
THE SSPX IS NOT THE CHURCH. IT IS OUTSIDE THE CHURCH. LEFEBVRE WAS AN EXCOMMUNICATED FOOL.
[When does infallibility apply on the Pope?]
WHEN DOES INFALLIBILITY APPLY ON LEFEBVRE AND THE SSPX? DO THEY HAVE A GIFT OF INFALLIBILITY SO THAT WE CAN ENTRUST OUR SOULS TO THEM?
[Is the Pope infallible at all times?]
THE SSPX AND LEFEBVRE ARE NOT INFALLIBLE AT ALL TIMES. ALWAYS AND EVERYWHERE THEY ARE NOT INFALLIBLE AT ALL. NO, NO, NO... THERE IS NO ANY IOTA OF INFALLIBILITY IN THAT SATANIC CULT.
IS BERNARD FELLAY INFALLIBLE AT ALL TIMES? HOW ABOUT WILLIAMSON THE PRO-HITLER SSPX BISHOP? HA, HA, HA... BEFORE YOU QUESTION THE INFALLIBILITY OF THE POPE APPLY IT TO YOURSELVES FIRST. YOUR ALTERNATIVE IS SATANIC AND UNACCEPTABLE. [ You should also be aware Father that a many bishops and priests today do not even follow the Holy Father in affirming the Faith.]
IF THAT IS THE CASE THEY ARE IMITATING LEFEBVRE AND THE SSPX. SO YOU HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON. AREN'T YOU HAPPY WITH THAT?
[Where do you give the host ... hand? or tongue?]
THE VICAR OF CHRIST APPROVED BOTH: OFFICIALLY ON THE TONGUE AND BY SPECIAL APPROVAL BY THE HAND. WHY? IS THERE A DOGMA LIMITING THE RECEPTION OF THE EUCHARIST TO THE TONGUE, FOREVER?
[The Holy Father expressed kneeling while receiving the host with the tongue and yet a many priests do not obey that call.]
THE HOLY FATHER DID THAT AS A PERSONAL CHOICE. BUT IF HE WILL ISSUE A DECREE REMOVING ALL APPROVAL FOR COMMUNION BY THE HAND AND IMPOSE COMMUNION ON TONGUE ONLY THEN EVERY BODY WILL FOLLOW.
[ And, now you qualify what is obedience and disobedience?]
OBEDIENCE AND DISOBEDIENCE STRICTLY SPEAKING IS BEING IN CANONICAL COMMUNION WITH THE VICAR OF CHRIST AND UPHOLDING EVERYTHING THAT HE TEACHES. DEFINITELY, LEFEBVRE AND THE SSPX ARE NOT QUALIFIED FOR THAT.
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[Therefore father, when a Pope no longer confirm the faith of the Church -- it is not disobedience to the Church of not following a Pope's bad example.]
HA, HA, HA... YOU ARE ACCUSING THE POPE OF APOSTASY. HA, HA, HA... AND NOT ONLY THAT OF HERESY.
IF THE POPE DOES NOT CONFIRM THE FAITH OF THE CHURCH THEN THAT POPE IS HERETICAL AND HAD APOSTATIZED. HOW COME THE SSPX ARE STILL RECITING HIS NAME IN THE MASS? IF I AM CONVINCED THAT THE POPE IS NO LONGER CONFIRMING THE CATHOLIC FAITH IT WILL BE AGAINST MY CONSCIENCE TO RECITE HIS NAME IN THE ANAPHORA.
YOU ARE LYING HERE. YOU SAID THAT YOU ARE STILL IN COMMUNION WITH THE POPE. HOW CAN YOU BE IN COMMUNION WITH A POPE WHO IS A HERETIC? OR HAS APOSTATIZED?
STOP THROWING AT THE POPE THE EVIL THAT YOU HAVE EMBRACED. THE POPE IS CONFIRMING AND HAD AFFIRMED THE FAITH OF THE CHURCH. IT IS LEFEBVRE AND THE SSPX WHO HAD SUCCUMBED TO LITURGICAL AND CANONICAL DISOBEDIENCE TO THE CHURCH AND TO THE POPE.
[Infallibility does not rest on the Pope at all times.]
BUT INFALLIBILITY SHALL NOT REST ON ANYONE WITHOUT THE POPE WITH HIM. THE COLLEGE OF BISHOPS CAN BE INFALLIBLE ONLY IF THE POPE IS WITH THEM. THE CATECHETICAL MANUAL COULD BE INFALLIBLE ONLY AFTER THE POPE APPROVED IT BY APOSTOLIC AUTHORITY.
NO POPE, NO INFALLIBILITY AT ALL. NOT WITHOUT PETER. INFALLIBILITY IS GIVEN TO THE CHURCH UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF PETER. NOT WITHOUT PETER AND HIS SUCCESSOR.
[Moreover, what the SSPX reject are teachings that goes contrary to what the Church have taught and declared Dogmatically.]
THAT IS JUST AN ALIBI TO FIND JUSTIFICATION FOR YOUR LUCIFERIAN REBELLION. EVERY SCHISMATIC AND PROTESTANT HAS REASONS AND ALIBI TO JUSTIFY THEMSELVES. THE SSPX AND LEFEBVRE HAS LOST ANY CREDIBILITY ON THAT MATTER WHEN IT AIMED ITS GUN ON THE SUCCESSOR OF PETER.
[They do not question the Pope as successor of Peter.]
HYPOCRISY.
[With that, the SSPX pray that the Pope continue to fight for the True Faith.]
THE POPE IS ALREADY SUCH THEY ARE JUST TOO PROUD LIKE SATAN TO ACCEPT THAT THEY ARE IN THE WRONG AND THAT THE POPE IS RIGHT AFTER ALL.
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[Do not be confused with the Anglicans. While the Anglican kept their own structure separate from the Church --- (a true sign of disobedience); the SSPX does not desire to have a new structure but only to continue what the Church have Infallibly taught throughout the times.]
THAT IS ONCE AGAIN HYPOCRITICAL. YOU ARE ALREADY HAVING YOUR OWN STRUCTURE AND ORGANIZATION. ACTUALLY YOU ARE ALREADY INFILTRATING LOCAL DIOCESES WITHOUT COMMUNION WITH THE LOCAL BISHOPS AND ARE ESTABLISHING COMMUNITIES AGAINST THE KNOWLEDGE AND APPROVAL OF THE LOCAL BISHOPS.
WE KNOW YOUR ACTIVITIES. YOUR CLAIMS ARE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU ARE DOING IN THE GRASSROOTS.
[Because of their desire to continue what the Church have brought to the world, they are scorned and declared to be disobeying the Pope.]
HA, HA, HA... NOW YOU ARE APPEALING TO PITY. AFTER YOU PRIDEFULLY ACCUSED THE POPE OF NOT AFFIRMING THE FAITH OF THE CHURCH IT IS HYPOCRITICAL OF YOU TO CLAIM THAT YOU ARE IN OBEDIENCE WITH HIM. HA, HA, HA... HOW CAN YOU BE IN OBEDIENCE WITH SOMEONE WHO IS NO LONGER A SERVANT OF THE CHURCH AND A TRUE GUARDIAN OF THE FAITH? YOUR CLAIMS ARE CONTRADICTORY.
[Father Abe, cite one false Dogmatic teaching of Vatican 1 that Vatican II have corrected.]
WHY SHOULD I? BOTH VATICAN I AND VATICAN II ARE IN HARMONY WITH THE OTHER. BUT THE SSPX IS VIOLATING VATICAN I FOR ITS DISOBEDIENCE TO THE POPE.
JUST BY TEACHING THAT THE POPE IS NOT AFFIRMING THE FAITH OF THE CHURCH IS ALREADY A HERESY AGAINST THE DOGMA OF VATICAN I.
[Why then continuing what the Church clearly taught is a sin?]
VATICAN II NEVER CONTINUE SOMETHING THAT THE CHURCH TEACHES AS A SIN. NEVER EVER.
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"While it is true that participation in the Mass at chapels of the Society of St. Pius X does not of itself constitute "formal adherence to the schism" (cf. Ecclesia Dei 5, c), such adherence can come about over a period of time as one slowly imbibes a schismatic mentality which separates itself from the teaching of the Supreme Pontiff and the entire Catholic Church. While we hope and pray for a reconciliation with the Society of St. Pius X, the Pontifical Commission "Ecclesia Dei" cannot recommend that members of the faithful frequent their chapels for the reasons which we have outlined above. We deeply regret this situation and pray that soon a reconciliation of the Society of St. Pius X with the Church may come about, but until such time the explanations which we have given remain in force."
ReplyDeleteQ: Does the Catholic Church currently hold that the situation of the Society of St. Pius X is not one for ecumenical dialogue because the Society of St. Pius X is an internal matter within the Catholic Church?
PCED: "Up to now the Catholic Church has acted as if the situation of the Society of St. Pius X is an internal matter within the Catholic Church and not a matter of ecumenical dialogue."
Q: Do lay Catholics who frequent Society of St. Pius X chapels, either more less frequently, incur any sin or canonical delict by doing so, if done solely out of devotion to the Church's Latin liturgical tradition and not to separate one's self from communion with one's diocesan Ordinary or local pastor?
PCED: "Catholics who frequent the chapels of the Society of St. Pius X do not incur any sin or canonical delict by doing so. However, we further refer you to what we have already stated in #4 above."
A: What level of authority do your answers to this private correspondence hold?
PCED: "As we already stated to you in our letter of 4 July 2007: "This Pontifical Commission does its best to transmit responses which are in full accord with the magisterium and the present canonical practices of the Catholic Church. One should accept them with docility and can act upon them with moral certainty." We would further add that no dicastery of the Holy See will give other responses than those which we have given here."
Please know that you and your staff and the Holy Father are in my family's constant prayers as we prepare to celebrate the Holy Week and the season of Easter.
Pax Christi in Regno Christi,
Brian C. Mershon
Source: http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/mershon/080711
O ha kay cardinal Hoyos na yan. Ewan ko na lang kapag di pa sila maniwala
ReplyDeleteHis Eminence Darío Cardinal Castrillón Hoyos
ReplyDeletePresident, Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei
(PCED) Palazzo del Sant'Uffizio 00120
VATICAN CITY
Monday of Holy Week Anno Domini 2008
Your Eminence,
I have compiled as reference numerous public interviews, both print and television, where you were quoted as stating that the case of the Society of St. Pius X "is not a formal schism" and other words to that effect.
Q: Is this your mere private opinion, or the official teaching of the Catholic Church in your official capacity as head of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei?
PCED: "Statements made by Cardinal Castrillón need to be understood in a technical, canonical sense. Stating that the Society of St. Pius X "is not in formal schism" is to say that there has been no official declaration on the part of the Holy See that the Society of St. Pius X is in schism. Up to now, the Church has sought to show the maximum charity, courtesy and consideration to all those involved with the hope that such a declaration will not eventually be necessary."
Would you please clarify the following for me in this private correspondence so that I can ensure that my family and I are following the current teaching of the Church on this specific matter?
Q: Does the Catholic Church currently hold that the priests and bishops of the Society of St. Pius X are in formal schism with the Catholic Church?
PCED: "The bishops of the Society of St. Pius X are excommunicated according to the prescription of canon 1382 of the Code of Canon Law which states that "A bishop who consecrates someone a bishop without pontifical mandate and the person who receives the consecration from him incur a latae sententiae excommunication reserved to the Apostolic See." Archbishop Lefebvre was duly reminded of this before his conferral of Episcopal ordination on 30 June 1988 and the Holy Father confirmed that this penalty had been incurred in his Apostolic Letter Ecclesia Dei, #3 [cf. AAS 80 (1988) 1495-1498; English translation in L'Osservatore Romano English edition of 11 July 1988, p. 1].
"The priests of the Society of St. Pius X are validly ordained, but suspended, that is prohibited from exercising their priestly functions because they are not properly incardinated in a diocese of religious institute in full communion with the Holy See (cf. Code of Canon Law, canon 265) and also because those ordained after the schismatic Episcopal ordinations were ordained by an excommunicated bishop.
"Concretely, this means that the Masses offered by the priests of the Society of St. Pius X are valid, but illicit, i.e., contrary to Canon Law. The Sacraments of Penance and Matrimony, however, require that the priest enjoys the faculties of the diocese or has proper delegation. Since that is not the case with these priests, these sacraments are invalid. It remains true, however, that, if the faithful are genuinely ignorant that the priests of the Society of St. Pius X do not have proper faculty to absolve, the Church supplies these faculties so that the sacrament is valid (cf. Code of Canon Law, canon 144)
Fr. Abe... ano ang masasabi nyo na nanawagan ang CBCP sa buon simahan sa Pilipinas na MAKIISA SA SANTO ROSARYO with the SPPX re on RH Bill...
ReplyDeleteAt nagdaos pa nga ng Misa sa Our Lady of Victories Church at may mga nagkomunyon na prominenteng tao at kaparian...
Ngayon, masasabi nyo ba na mga demonyo at kung ano-ano pa ang SSPX? Mga banat nyo na malayo sa pagiging ar a disipulo ni Kristo?
Aba, CBCP na ang nag-invite at kayo rito eh kng ano pinagsasabi nyo... kung ito man ay may kinalaman sa RH Bill a walang masama dun kung yan ang sasabihin nyo eh pagdarasal a rin yun sa m "SCHISMATIC" na sinasabi mo... eh di kinain din ng pamunuan nyo at supalpal sa iyo ang mga pinagsasabi mo laban sa SSPX...
Sana ipost mo to... puro Mama Eli at Papa Manalo lang ang alam mo... nakakalungkot kaya ganan ang karamihan sa Katoliko a Pilipinas dahil sa mga ipokrito na pamumuhay a pinapakita nyo...
Mea Culpa!
[Fr. Abe... ano ang masasabi nyo na nanawagan ang CBCP sa buon simahan sa Pilipinas na MAKIISA SA SANTO ROSARYO with the SPPX re on RH Bill...]
ReplyDeleteHINDI YAN NAKAPAGTATAKA SA CBCP. KASI MABAIT ANG AMING MGA OBISPO AT REGULAR NA NAKIKIPAG-DIALOGO AT MEETINGS SA MGA IBANG SECTA AT RELIHIYON. KAYA HINDI NAMIN PROBLEMA YAN. NAGPAKITA LANG NG KABUTIHAN ANG CBCP SA MGA TRAIDOR SA PANANAMPALATAYA, KAHIT NA ANG TURING NINYO SA KANILA AY MGA MODERNISTS AT HINDI FAITHFUL SA SACRED TRADITION. DI BA?
PAG KAILANGAN NG SSPX ANG CBCP KUNWARI JOIN SA ROSARY. PAGKATAPOS NG ROSARY ANO? YOU WILL LAMBASTS THE BISHOPS FOR THE THE NOVUS ORDO, LITURGICAL ABUSES KUNO, ETC. MGA AHAS KAYO. TALAGANG MGA TRAIDOR.
ISINUSUKA NINYO ANG CBCP SA VERNACULAR MASS PERO PARA KUNWARI CATOLICO KAYO SASAMA KAYO SA KANILA SA ROSARY. SERPENTINE FACADE. IF THE MASSES IMPLEMENTED BY CBCP IS UNACCEPTABLE FOR SSPX THEN HOW CAN YOU ACCEPT THEIR ROSARIES WHICH IS A MERE DEVOTIONAL PRAYER? MGA IPOCRITO.
HANDA KAYONG KAININ ANG INYONG SARILING SUKA PARA LANG MAPABANGO NINYO ANG INYONG KABULUKAN. YOU ARE LIKE DOGS NOT JUST RETURNING TO YOUR VOMIT BUT EATING IT AGAIN JUST TO DEODORIZE YOUR OWN LITURGICAL CORRUPTION. SHAME ON YOU.
ANG NAKAKATAWA ANG SSPX. AYAW NILA NG INTER-RELIGIOUS DIALOGUE, AYAW NG ECUMENISM. PERO KULANG SA PANSIN. NAGTATAWAG NG PULITIKO AT PATI CBCP PARA IPAKITA NA KUNWARI CATOLICO SILA. HA, HA, HA... SHOW OFF.
IF YOU WANT TO PRAY THE ROSARY WITH THE BISHOPS IT SHOULD LEAD YOU TO CONCELEBRATE WITHT HE BISHOPS IN PAULINE MASS. IF YOU CANNOT ACCEPT THE MASS OF CBCP YOUR ROSARY IS A FARCE.
[At nagdaos pa nga ng Misa sa Our Lady of Victories Church at may mga nagkomunyon na prominenteng tao at kaparian...]
ReplyDeleteNOW YOU ARE HOBNOBBING WITH MODERNISTS HA. HE, HE, HE... IN ORDER THAT YOU CAN FOOL THE PEOPLE AS IF YOU ARE IN COMMUNION WITH THE CHURCH YOU ARE INVITING OUR OFFICIALS WHOM YOU HATE AND ACCUSE OF MODERNISM AND HERESIES AND BEING LITURGICAL ABUSERS TO HOBNOB WITH YOU. HA, HA, HA...
YOU SEE HOW HYPOCRITE YOU ARE.
WHAT MYSTERIES OF THE HOLY ROSARY DID YOU USE? THE MYSTERY OF LIGHT RECENTLY ADDED BY POPE JOHN PAUL THE GREAT? HA, HA, HA...
[Ngayon, masasabi nyo ba na mga demonyo at kung ano-ano pa ang SSPX?]
YES. DEMONIO TALAGA KAYO. KASI PAG NAKATALIKOD ANG AMING MGA OBISPO INAATAKE NYO ANG AMING MGA MISA. BINABALASUBAS NYO ANG MGA DESISYON NG SANTO PAPA AT MGA COUNCILS. KUNWARI GALIT KAYO SA KANILA DAHIL MODERNISTS AT DISOBEDIENT SA TRADITION. YUN PALA PARA KAYONG MGA PHARISEO NA GAGAMITIN SILA UPANG PALABASIN NA CATHOLICS KAYO. HA, HA, HA...
PINUNTAHAN KAYO NG CBCP OFFICIALS KASI HINDI NAMAN YAN TUMATANGGI SA INVITATION KAHIT NA MUSLIM ANG MAG-INVITE. THEY ONLY PRACTICE ECUMENISM AND DIALOGUE AS STATED BY VATICAN II WHICH YOU ARE REJECTING BUT HYPOCRITICALLY UPHOLDING ACCORDING TO YOUR NEEDS. DOBLE-KARA.
THE SSPX ARE LIKE CLOWNS. LITURGICAL CLOWNS.
[Mga banat nyo na malayo sa pagiging ar a disipulo ni Kristo?]
TINATAPATAN KO LANG ANG MGA KAHAYUPAN NA BINABATO NINYO SA AMING SANTO PAPA, MGA OBISPO, PARI, SA PAULINE MASS AT SA VATICAN II. PUNO NA ANG SALOP. UBOS NA ANG PASENSIYA NG MGA CATHOLIC APOLOGISTS SA MGA LITURGICAL BASTARDS NA KATULAD NYO.
[Aba, CBCP na ang nag-invite at kayo rito eh kng ano pinagsasabi nyo...]
HA, HA, HA... BUANG KA PALA E. INIMBITAHAN NYO NG MAAYOS ANG CBCP E DI SIEMPRE AATEND YON NG MAAYOS. SINABI NYO BA SA KANILA NA MODERNISTS SILA AT ANG MASS NI POPE PAUL VI? SINABIHAN NYO BA SILA NA HINDI SILA FAITHFUL SA SACRED TRADITION? DI BA HINDE. ALL SMILES KAYO NG TINANGGAP NYO SILA. KAYA NGA MGA IPOCRITO KAYO.
[kung ito man ay may kinalaman sa RH Bill a walang masama dun kung yan ang sasabihin nyo eh pagdarasal a rin yun sa m "SCHISMATIC" na sinasabi mo...]
TALAGANG SCHISMATIC KAYO. BAKIT PORKE BA PINUNTAHAN KAYO NG CBCP E IN FULL COMMUNION NA KAYO NG POPE? HINDE. HA, HA, HA... DAHIL ANG MGA ORTHODOX AT ANGLICANS E PINUPUNTAHAN DIN NG CBCP SUBALIT HINDI PA RIN SILA BAHAGI NG CATHOLIC CHURCH. HA, HA, HA... MANGARAP KA NG GISING.
[eh di kinain din ng pamunuan nyo at supalpal sa iyo ang mga pinagsasabi mo laban sa SSPX...]
ANONG KINAKAIN NAMIN E TALAGA NAMANG PASTORAL POLICY NAMIN ANG INTER-RELIGIOUS DIALOGUES AT ECUMENISMO. HA, HA, HA... THE CBCP WAS THERE TO ENTICE YOUR SECT TO RETURN TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. DAHIL KAYO AY 'OUT' OF COMMUNION WITH THE POPE. HA, HA, HA...
[Sana ipost mo to...]
TALAGANG IPO-POST KO ITO. BAKIT ANONG AKALA MO KATATAKUTAN KO ANG ILUSYON MO? MASAYA KA. HA, HA, HA...
[puro Mama Eli at Papa Manalo lang ang alam mo...]
IKAW NGA MANGMANG KA SA LAHAT NG BAGAY. PINUNTAHAN LANG KAYO NG ILANG CATHOLIC OFFICIALS E PARA KA NANG BATANG BINIGYAN NG KENDI. HA, HA, HA... MGA KSP = KULANG SA PANSIN. HINDI NA NAMIN KAILANGAN PANG IANNOUNCE NA KASAMA NAMIN ANG CBCP SA ROSARY DAHIL HINDI NAMN KAMI NAGKAHIWALAY. HA, HA, HA...
THE FACT NA INA-ANOUNCE MO PA NA SUMAMA SA INYO IBIG SABIHIN ALAM MONG AWARE ANG MGA TAO NA HINDI KAYO UNITED WITH THE CBCP. HA, HA, HA...
[nakakalungkot kaya ganan ang karamihan sa Katoliko a Pilipinas dahil sa mga ipokrito na pamumuhay a pinapakita nyo...]
KAYO ANG IPOCRITO. MGA AHAS AT TRAIDOR. MGA KAMPON NG REBELYON NI LUCIFER. SINASAKSAK NINYO SA TALIKURAN ANG AMING MGA OBISPO SUBALIT PA ROSA-ROSARIO PA KAYO KUNWARI NA KASAMA SILA. IPOCRITO, AHAS AT TRAIDOR. KASUMPA-SUMPA ANG GRUP NYO.
[Mea Culpa!]
THAT IS GOOD FOR YOU AND YOUR KIND. BUT YOUR MEA CULPA IS FAKE UNTIL YOU RETURN IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE VICAR OF CHRIST.
fr. abe
ReplyDeletenanalilito na po talaga ako kung alin ang tama ang TLM o ang new MASS kasi napansin ko sa latin mass ng SSPX ang pari lang ang nag bibigay ng communion , pero sa new mass pati young lay minister o kung minsan pati yung madre ay maka pag bigay din ng communion sa mass. fr. sana e post mo to para maliwanagan ako at para na din sa iba naming mga CFD na kasamahan
[fr. abe
ReplyDeletenanalilito na po talaga ako kung alin ang tama ang TLM o ang new MASS]
PAREHONG TAMA.
ANG SANTA IGLESIA AY MARAMING RITO NG MISA. MERONG LATIN MASS [TRIDENTINE LATIN MASS AT THE NEW MASS - THE PAULINE MASS]. MERON DING BYZANTINE GREEK MASS AT ABOUT 21 NA IBA PA.
YUNG MGA NAGSASABI NA TLM LANG ANG TAMA WAG MONG PANIWALAAN YON. MGA SIRA ANG ULO NON. MGA MANLOLOKO.
[kasi napansin ko sa latin mass ng SSPX ang pari lang ang nag bibigay ng communion, pero sa new mass pati young lay minister o kung minsan pati yung madre ay maka pag bigay din ng communion sa mass.]
ANG BATAS NA PINATUTUPAD NG SSPX AY LUMANG BATAS. DAHIL DUMAMI NA ANG CATOLICO, WE ARE NOW 1.1 BILLION HINDI NA KAYA NG MGA PARI NA SILA LANG ANG NAGBIBIGAY NG COMUNION TULAD NG DATI. DAHIL DITO GINAMIT NG SANTA IGLESIA SA PANGUNGUNA NG SANTO PAPA AT MGA OBISOPO NA SIYANG SUCCESSORS OF THE APOSTLES NA MAGDAGDAG NG ISANG MINISTERIO SA SIMBAHAN PARA TUMULONG MAGBIGAY NG HOLY EUCHARIST. ITO AY ANG MGA LAY MINISTERS.
ANG LAY MINISTERS AY HINDI LAY 'ONLY'. THEY ARE MINISTERS OF THE CHURCH HABANG SILA AY AUTHORIZED NA MAGLINGKOD SA SIMBAHAN BILANG EXTRAORDINARY MINISTERS OF THE HOLY EUCHARIST.
HINDI TUTUO YUNG CLAIM NG MGA SSPX NA PARI LANG ANG PWEDENG HUMAWAK NG HOLY EUCHARIST DAHIL ANG MGA DIAKONO AY MAY SPECIAL NA PERMISSION DIN NA HAWAKAN ITO.
DATI MGA APOSTOL LANG AT MGA OBISPO ANG NAGMIMISA. NUNG DUMAMI NA ANG MGA CATOLICO NAG ORDINA SILA NG MGA PARI. LATER NUNG DUMAMI NA NAMAN SILA PUMILI SILA NG MGA DEACON AT PINATUNGAN NG KAMAY. NGAYONG SOBRANG DAMI NA NG MGA CATOLICO MINABUTI NG SIMBAHAN NA MULING PUMILI NG MGA LALAKING MAGIGING KATUWANG NG MGA PARI SA PAGBIBIGAY NG HOLY COMMUNION.
ANG SANTA IGLESIA NA MAY AUTHORITY NA ORDINA NG OBISPO, PARI AT DIACONO AY MERON DING KAPANGYARIHANG MAGBIGAY NG AUTHORIZATION FOR SPECIAL MINISTERS OF THE HOLY EUCHARIST.
THE LAY MINISTERS ARE TEMPORARY MINISTERS BECAUSE THEIR AUTHORIZATION IS NOT PERMANENT AS THAT OF PRIESTHOOD. WHEN THEIR TENURE AS LAY MINISTER ENDS THEIR ROLE AS SPECIAL MINISTERS ALSO ENDS. AND THE CHURCH WHO CAN BESTOW PERMANENT AUTHORITY ALSO HAS THE POWER TO GIVE AUTHORIZATION TEMPORARILY. BESIDES, THE CHURCH DIDN'T MAKE THEM TEMPORARY PRIESTS OR DEACONS. THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CONSECRATE. ONLY PRIESTS COULD CONSECRATE THE BREAD AND THE WINE INTO THE BODY AND BLOOD OF CHRIST.
THE SSPX HAS NO VALID REASON TO DENY THE RIGHT OF THE CHURCH TO CREATE MINISTRIES IN THE CHURCH. REFUSAL TO RECOGNIZE THE LAY MINISTERS IS AN ACT OF DENIAL OF THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH AND OF THE POPE.
[fr. sana e post mo to para maliwanagan ako at para na din sa iba naming mga CFD na kasamahan]
YES, BROTHER. SORRY FOR BEING LATE. MARAMING CONCERN.
YANG MGA SSPX ANG MGA DEMONIO. KASI WALA SILANG AUTHORIZATION TO CELEBRATE THE MASS. KAYA ILLEGAL OR ILLICIT ANG MISA NILA.
REMEMBER NA KAMING MGA PARI KAILANGAN NAMIN NG 'FACULTY' FROM THE BISHOP. WE MUST HAVE PERMISSION TO CELEBRATE THE MASS AND TO HEAR CONFESSION. ANG MGA SSPX AY WALANG 'FACULTY'. KAYA MGA ILLEGAL SILA. MGA TRAIDOR SA SANTA IGLESIA.
I LOVE GOD!
ReplyDeleteI LOVE BEING A CATHOLIC!
I LOVE MY CATHOLIC CHURCH AND I LOVE MY POPE!
Fr. Abe, just discovered your blogspot. Its very interesting. I like it. I learned a lot. It certainly strengthened my catholic faith. But one thing lang po. Your use of bad words, perhaps badmouthing others I believe and feel is not good. You do not need my advice because I'm just an ordinary catholic and I'm not above you because you are a priest. But I just want say I'm just bothered with your use of bad words. We catholics, even if how much others attack us, we do not go down their level... just as Christ didn't how much he was scorged. However, I appreciate very much your blog. I'll be a regular visitor from now on. God bless!!!
ReplyDeleteDEAR BRO. LITES,
ReplyDeleteTHANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND WORDS. I DO NOT USE BAD WORDS. I SIMPLY TELL THEM WHAT I THINK OF THEM.
A True servant of our Lord Jesus Christ knows how to humble himself and not to say anything bad about his fellow priest... The meek man does not get angry or curse or seek revenge. He forgives his enemies, and even wins them by gentle words. He imitates Christ, Who said: "Learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart" (Matt. 11: 29).
ReplyDeletePOPE PAUL VI AND ARCH. BUGNINI RECEIVED THE INSULTS AND ATTACKS OF THE SSPX AND SEDEVACANTISTS WITH SILENCE AND HUMILITY YET THEY KEPT ON BATTERING THEM. NOW THE TIME FOR SILENCE IS OVER. WE NEED TO REPULSE THEIR ATTACKS AND MUST GIVE THEM THE TASTE OF THEIR OWN MEDICINES. WE ARE SIMPLY EXPRESSING OUR DISGUST OF THEM.
ReplyDeleteFr, e invite kaya natin ang mga sspx priest into a public forum or discussions para makita natin at malaman ng iba kung ano talaga sila , kasi yung iba naming kasamahan naniniwala parin sa sspx dahil bias daw tayo sa mga discussions natin sa blog mo dahil kotrolado mo ang blog natin.
ReplyDeleteCFD Davao
BAKIT ANG MGA WEBSITE BA NG SSPX HINDI NILA CONTROLADO? SIEMPRE CONTROLADO NILA. THIS IS MY BLOG AND THEREFORE IT IS BUT LOGICAL AND NATURAL THAT I CONTROL IT.
ReplyDeleteIF THE SSPX PRIESTS ARE WILLING TO FACE US IN PUBLIC FORUMS SUCH AS ON RADIO AND TV I AM WILLING TO FACE THEM.
THE PROBLEM WITH SSPX IS THAT THEY ARE HYPOCRITES. IN PUBLIC THEY ARE GENTLE AS LAMBS BUT THEY KEEP ON ATTACKING THE POPE IN FORUMS AND IN PUBLIC DISCUSSIONS SUCH AS FACEBOOK AND BLOGS. THE SSPX DEMONS MUST BE EXPOSED.
fr. tayo po sana ang unang mag initiate ng invitation sa kanila sa palagay namin nag hihintay lang yan sila sa atin . all out support po kaming mga CFD davao sayo. fr. kailan kaya mangyayari ito.
ReplyDeleteCFD Davao
[fr. tayo po sana ang unang mag initiate ng invitation sa kanila]
ReplyDeleteBAKIT TAYO? ANG SANTO PAPA NA NGA ANG NAG-INVITE SA KANILA TO RETURN TO FULL COMMUNION PERO ANO ANG GINAGAWA NILA? DEADMA LANG.
KAHIT DIOS ANG MAG-INVITE SA MGA YAN HINDI NILA SUSUNDIN KASI SARADO NA ANG MGA ISIP.
[sa palagay namin]
SINONG KAYO? SINO KA AT SINO KAYO? WALANG CFD NA DUWAG IPAKITA ANG KANYANG PANGALAN SA PUBLIKO DAHIL ANG MGA CFD AY HUMAHARAP NG HARAPAN HINDI NAGTATAGO NG IDENTITY. PEKE KA.
[nag hihintay lang yan sila sa atin .]
HINDI TAYO ANG HINIHINTAY NILA KUNDI ANG PAGBAGSAK NG IGLESIA CATOLICA NA PARA SA KANILA AY CORRUPTED BY MODERNISM AND MASONRY.
[all out support po kaming mga CFD davao sayo.]
HA, HA, HA... NAKAKATAWA KA NAMAN. AKO ANG NATIONAL SPIRITUAL DIRECTOR NG CFD. I'VE JUST MET THE BOARD OF GOVERNORS OF CFD, INCLUDING THAT OF DAVAO. WALANG SINASABING GANYAN. IN FACT, KONDINADO ANG SSPX SA CFD KASI ILLEGAL ANG MGA SACRAMENTO NILA.
[fr. kailan kaya mangyayari ito.]
PAG NAGBALIK-LOOB SA SANTO PAPA ANG MGA SSPX. HABANG HINDI NILA GINAGAWA IYON WALA SILANG KARAPATANG MAGMALINIS SA SANTA IGLESIA.
[CFD Davao]
PEKE KA. ITO NA ANG HULING PAGKAKATAON NA GAGAMITIN NG ISANG ANONYMOUS ANG CFD SA BLOG NA ITO.
fr. hindi peke ang CFD Davao we are under the guidance of kuya R. pero, hindi kami hawak sa liig ni kuya . kung ano ang totoo yun ang tama para sa amin . it's obvious na ayaw mong humarap sa mga sspx priest, okey lang yan naiintindihan namin yan . pero sana huwag mo namang bastusin ang mga CFD Davao dahil ginagalang ka namin as our spiritual director. God Bless You...
ReplyDelete[fr. hindi peke ang CFD Davao we are under the guidance of kuya R.]
ReplyDeleteHINDI KO SINASABING PEKE ANG CFD DAVAO DAHIL AKO ANG NATIONAL SPIRITUAL ADVISER NG CFD SA BUONG PILIPINAS. ANG PRESIDENTE NG CFD DAVAO AT ANG MGA MATATAAS NA OPISYAL NG CFD DAVAO AY KAIBIGAN KO.
ANG KUYA R. MO AY BESTFRIENND KO AT HINDI LANG KAIBIGAN ANG TURINGAN NAMIN KUNDI MAGKAPATID.
IKAW ANG PEKE DAHIL HINDI MO INILALABAS ANG IDENTITY MO. TUNAY ANG CFD DAVAO. IKAW ANG PEKE.
[pero, hindi kami hawak sa liig ni kuya .]
TALAGANG HINDI NANGHAHAWAK SA LEEG ANG MGA CFD KAYA NAKAKATAWA NA SABIHIN MO ANG ISANG BAGAY NA HINDI NAMAN GINAGAWA O SINASABI SA IYO? BAKIT SINABI KO BANG HAWAK KAYO SA LEEG NI KUYA R.?
[kung ano ang totoo yun ang tama para sa amin .]
ANG TOTOO TRAIDOR SA SANTO PAPA SI LEFEBVRE AT OUTSIDE OF ECCLESIAL COMMUNION ANG SSPX. KAYA NGA ILLEGAL ANG MGA MISA NILA. ILLICIT.
[it's obvious na ayaw mong humarap sa mga sspx priest,]
OBVIOUS NA GUSTO KONG HUMARAP SA SSPX PRIESTS. KUNG TALAGANG GALIT ANG SSPX SA MGA PROTESTANTE AT AYAW NILA NG ECUMENISM SABIHAN MO ANG PARI NG SSPX NA SABAY KAMI MAKIPAGDEBATE NG LIVE SA PLAZA NG DAVAO. TIGNAN KO KUNG HINDI UMALOG SA TAKOT ANG MGA ITLOG NG SSPX PRIESTS MO.
MAGALING LANG ANG MGA YAN PAG MAMIMINTAS NG LITURGY, NG PAULINE MASS AT NG MGA OBISPO CATOLICO. MGA BOBO SA APOLOGETICS ANG MGA YAN.
HANDA KO SILANG HARAPIN. MAGPAKILALA KA MUNA SA AKIN AT SABIHIN MO KUNG SINONG SSPX PRIEST ANG HAHARAP SA AKIN.
[okey lang yan naiintindihan namin yan .]
WAG KANG MAGMAGALING NA CFD KA. WALANG CFD NA DUWAG TULAD MO. PARA KANG MGA ANTI-CATHOLICS NA NAGTATAGO SA DILIM. HINDI GANYAN ANG CFD. ANG CFD AY TAPAT SA KANYANG OBISPO AT SA SANTO PAPA..
[pero sana huwag mo namang bastusin ang mga CFD Davao dahil ginagalang ka namin as our spiritual director.]
HINDI KO KELAN MAN BINABASTOS ANG CFD DAVAO. IKAW ANG BASTUSIN AT BASTOS KA KASI GINAGAMIT MO ANG PANGALAN NG CFD HABANG IKAW AY NAKATAGO SA LIKOD NG DILIM. LUMABAS KA SA KADILIMAN.
I AM NOT YOUR SPIRITUAL DIRECTOR. I AM THE SPIRITUAL DIRECTOR OF THE REAL AND TRUE CFD. IKAW AY PEKE.
[God Bless You...]
I AM NOT IMPARTING MY BLESSING ON FAKE PRETENDERS..
fr. hindi po kami nagmamagaling na CFD. kaya nga kami nag tatanong sayo dahil hindi kami magaling. masama na po ba sa ating grupo ang mag hanap ng katotohanan, hindi na hawak sa leeg kundi sakal sa leeg na po ang ginagawa nyo. Fr. just a simple but a formal invitation lang ang kailangan. e addresss lang po kay Fr. Mc Pearson kasi sya ang naka assign sa Davao mission ngayon. at saka FR. huwag naman sana sa Public Plaza ng Davao gawin, hindi naman sa very cheap ang dating pero kaso walang atip doon mababasa tayo pag umulan. maraming pang ibang lugar dyan i'm sure maraming alam si kuya dyan. hope matutuloy po ito marami po sa aming mga CFD dito ang naka abang at nag hihintay ng liwanag.. God Bless You Fr.
ReplyDelete[fr. hindi po kami nagmamagaling na CFD.]
ReplyDeleteKAMING MGA CFD AY HINDI NAGMAMAGALING. IKAW NAGMAMAGALING KA DAHIL NAGKUKUNWARI KANG CFD KAHIT NA HINDI MO MAIPAKITA ANG PAGKATAO MO. WAG KANG MAGTAGO SA LIKOD NG AMING ORGANIZATION DAHIL HINDI KAMI PATALIKOD HUMARAP.
[kaya nga kami nag tatanong sayo dahil hindi kami magaling.]
SINO KA AT SINO KAYO? BAKIT MO GINAGAMIT ANG NAME NG AMING ORGANIZATION? KUNG MIEMBRO KA NAMIN HINDI KA MAGTATAGO NG IDENTITY MO.
[masama na po ba sa ating grupo ang mag hanap ng katotohanan,]
MASAMA SA AMING GRUPO ANG MANLOKO NG TAO. BAWAL SA SAMAHAN NG CFD NA GAMITIN ANG PANGALANG ITO PARA SUPORTAHAN ANG MGA TRAIDOR SA SANTO PAPA TULAD NG MGA SSPX AT TULAD MO NA HINDI NAGPAPAKILALA.
[hindi na hawak sa leeg kundi sakal sa leeg na po ang ginagawa nyo. Fr.]
HA, HA, HA... NI HINDI NGA KITA KILALA PAPANO KITA MASASAKAL? HA, HA, HA... TALAGANG HINDI KA CFD KASI TAGLAY TAGLAY MO ANG KABOBOHAN NG MGA SSPX.
[just a simple but a formal invitation lang ang kailangan. e addresss lang po kay Fr. Mc Pearson kasi sya ang naka assign sa Davao mission ngayon.]
HA, HA, HA... E BAKIT AKO ANG PINAG-IIMBITA MO DYAN? SABI MO CFD KA. E DI FILE A MOTION TO YOUR CFD DAVAO CHAPTER PRESIDENT TO INVITE THAT PRIEST TO WITH US.
MAS MABUTI KUNG SASABIHAN MO YANG ILLICIT PRIEST NA IYAN NA SYA ANG MAG-IMBITA SAMIN.
[at saka FR. huwag naman sana sa Public Plaza ng Davao gawin, hindi naman sa very cheap ang dating pero kaso walang atip doon mababasa tayo pag umulan.]
HA, HA, HA... HINDI KA NGA CFD KASI ANG ARTE MO. ANG PLAZA NG DAVAO AY ANG PABORITONG DEBATE PLACE NG MGA CFD AT MGA ANTI-CATHOLIC PASTORS.
KUNG SOSYAL ANG ILLICIT PRIEST NG SSPX NA YAN, E DI MAGPREPRARE SIYA NG SPECIAL BOOKING SA GRAND BALLROOM NG MARCO POLO HOTEL. OK LANG SA AMIN YON.
[maraming pang ibang lugar dyan i'm sure maraming alam si kuya dyan.]
ANG ARTE NYO. TALAGANG KAPAG NAPASUKAN NG SSPX ANG UTAK NG ISANG TAO AY NABABAHIRAN NG KABALIWAN.
[hope matutuloy po ito marami po sa aming mga CFD dito ang naka abang at nag hihintay ng liwanag..]
ANG LIWANAG AY NASA IGLESIA CATOLICA AT WALA SA SSPX. ANG SSPX AY NASA DILIM DAHIL TRAIDOR SA SANTO PAPA.
IF MC PEARSON WANTS TO DEBATE ME IN DAVAO, FINE. TELL HIM TO INVITE ME TO A ONE ON ONE DEBATE WITH HIM AT THE MARCO POLO GRAND BALLROOM. HE, HE, HE...
[God Bless You Fr.]
GOD BLESS THE POPE AND ALL THOSE WHO ARE FAITHFUL TO HIM BUT THOSE OUTSIDE COMMUNION WITH PETER THE GATE OF HELL SHALL PREVAIL OVER THEM... AND THAT IS THE CASE WITH SSPX.
Hay nako... now convinced na ako na modernista talaga itong SSPX. You see Fr. Alfred Firmin Loisy, one of the leading figures of Modernism loves to wrote in anonymity to publish his modernistic theology. You are just copying his style. Ang arte pa ha gusto niyo pa sa iang private place? Doon kayo sa plaza ng malaman ng mga katoliko dito sa davao ang totoong kulay ninyo at ang pagiging pasaway sa papa ang namana ninyo sa pasaway na obispo na si MArcel Lefebvre!
ReplyDeleteWell father, I'm not a trained apologist nor a member of CFD but I am more willing to help you if you ever come here to debate an SSPX priest. I do not want them to infest my hometown with their disobedience.
Ha, ha, ha... Mga kulang lang sa pansin yan. Yung mga pari nga ng SSPX e tahimik. Tapos e nagkukunwari silang matapang.
ReplyDeletebut really their presence disturbs me. I want to talk to my bishop on this kaso wala akong connection sa kanya. Worse hindi ko alam if he will listen to my plight AYOKONG MAGTAYO SILA NG HQ DITO SA DAVAO!!!! (unless of course they will accept vatican II)
ReplyDeleteWRITE YOUR BISHOP AND COMPLAIN AGAINST THEM. THAT HOW SATANIC THEY ARE. THEY INFILTRATE DIOCESES... THEY BYPASS THE LOCAL BISHOP.
ReplyDeleteIt is clear that this anonymous using the name of CFD is not a member of it. Yet is seize the opportunity of some of its members who have went to the SSPX's TL masses to use it against us to stir confusion.
ReplyDeleteI am aware that some of its members and prominent figures have went to their masses. because of they find the Extraordinary form of the Mass fitting to their spirituality. Though it is true that Pontifical Commission of Ecclessia Dei points out that attending to their illicit masses does not constitute formal schism- the same commission that discourages us to participate their masses because "such adherence can come about over a period of time as one slowly imbibes a schismatic mentality which separates itself from the teaching of the Supreme Pontiff and the entire Catholic Church" (Pontifical Commission of Ecclessia Dei). In the same way the COmission discourages us to attend their mass I appeal to your most august group not to participate in their masses.
I also have learned that despite the many attempts of your group to our Lord Archbishop Capalla to grant this Archdiocese TLM and not granting your request- still I exhort you to obey and love him. Since it is through his office as archbishop of Davao our bond is maintained to the Bishop of Rome, the Successor of Saint Peter and Vicar of Christ here on Earth.
I also ask you not to be discourage. Remember the parable of the Corrupt judge and of the persistent widow. The judge who is both irreligious and lacking compassion. Nevertheless, he eventually agrees to do justice to a poor widow because she is so persistent in her demands(cf. Luke 18: 1-8). If the corrupt judge granted the request of the insignificant widow, how much more will our bishop? Who is aware of your great contribution to the defense of the Catholic faith here in Davao?
I am also aware that you have problems with some of our local priests of their unliturgical abuse they commit. But allow me to quote the words of Father Abe's words in his letter to you in your 33rd anniversary: "Love your Bishop and your priests regardless of their personality and weaknesses. Don't forget that we belong to the Body of Christ and we exist to support and to nourish the Church not to add to her ordeals."
Let us work with our own local pastors with a proactive attitude in spreading and implementing the teachings of our Lord handed down to us by the apostles as interpreted by the Sacred Magisterium of the Church to all the faithful.
Why does the pope attend different religious celebrations such as with muslims, buddhist etc. Also, why did he kissed a "koran" of the muslims? Did Jesus Christ have done this in the past? Did He celebrate with other religions such as zoroaster, etc.? Are the Pope's actions do not contradict with the Faith?
ReplyDeleteFather, just a request, please do not use fallacious statements as Christ did not use any fallacious statements.
From: Man who searches for TRUTH God Bless!
[Why does the pope attend different religious celebrations such as with muslims, buddhist etc.]
ReplyDeleteBECAUSE HE WAS INVITED. HE DID THAT AS A GESTURE OF FRIENDSHIP AND RESPECT. RESPECT OF OTHERS IS A CHRISTIAN VIRTUE IF YOU ARE NOT AWARE.
[Also, why did he kissed a "koran" of the muslims?]
BECAUSE IT WAS OFFERED TO HIM BY HIS HOST. HE DID THAT AS A MANIFESTATION OF GOOD WILL TO OUR MOSLEM BRETHREN WHO SHOWED OUR CHURCH RESPECT ALSO BY INVITING OUR POPE. FOR THE POPE TO ENTER A MOSQUE IS A GREAT VICTORY FOR THE CHRISTIAN FAITH.
[Did Jesus Christ have done this in the past?]
THIS IS A FALLACIOUS AND ILLOGICAL QUESTION BECAUSE THE KORAN WAS NOT YET WRITTEN DURING THE TIME OF JESUS.
BUT JESUS TALKED AND DIALOGUED WITH THE SAMARITANS, WITH TAX COLLECTORS AND THE KNOWN SINNERS OF HIS TIME. HE IS NOT AS HYPOCRITE AS THE SSPX.
[Did He celebrate with other religions such as zoroaster, etc.?]
THE POPE TALKED AND DIALOGUED AND DELIVERED SPEECHES WITH OTHER RELIGIONS JUST LIKE WHAT JESUS DID. BUT THE POPE NEVER EVER CELEBRATE THE MASS WITH THEM ON THE ALTAR. NOT EVEN WITH THE ORTHODOX DID HE DO THAT.
YOU ARE LYING IF YOU CLAIM THAT THE POPE CELEBRATED WITH THE OTHER RELIGIONS. HE DID NOT. HE CELEBRATED THE MASS WITH THE CATHOLICS. IF EVER THERE ARE OTHER RELIGIONS THEY ARE SITTING AT THE BENCH PROPER FOR GUESTS.
[Are the Pope's actions do not contradict with the Faith?]
OF COURSE, THE POPE DIDN'T CONTRADICT THE FAITH. INSTEAD HE PROCLAIMED THE FAITH. IT IS THE SSPX WHICH IS CONTRADICTING THE FAITH.
[Father, just a request, please do not use fallacious statements as Christ did not use any fallacious statements.]
SAY THAT TO YOURSELF. YOU ARE THE ONE DOING IT.
[From: Man who searches for TRUTH God Bless!]
GOD BLESS YOU TOO.