ANG FIRST SUNDAY SABBATH - DIALOGO SA ISANG SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST

The Risen Lord

 

 

Anonymous said...

Leviticus 23:7 "Sa UNANG ARAW ay magkakaroon ng banal na pagpupulong: anomang gawang paglilingkod ay huwag ninyong gagawin."
This is not the first day of the week, rather the first of the seven days of the feast of unleavened bread." It is important to read the verses before and after a verse, or the wole chapter, to have a full and right understanding of that verse.

June 8, 2011 10:05 AM 

 

Fr. Abe, CRS said... 

 

WHETHERE IT IS SUNDAY OR NOT YOUR DOCTRINE OF SATURDAY ONLY IS DESTROYED BY THAT VERSE BECAUSE THE FIRST DAY OF THE FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD IS NOT FALLING ON SATURDAY EVERY YEAR. IT PROVES OUR ASSERTION THAT SABBATH IS NOT EXCLUSIVE OF SATURDAY. MUCH MORE, IT IS ALSO A FACT THAT THE RESURRECTION DAY IS SUNDAY THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK. THE TRIUMPH OVER DEATH OF THE LORD OF SABBATH IS SUNDAY NOT SATURDAY.

UNDERSTAND CLEARLY THE SIGNIFICATION OF THE VERSE AND DO NO CLOSE YOUR MIND TO THE FACT THAT SABBATH IS NOT EXCLUSIVE OF SATURDAY. 

June 8, 2011 10:33 AM

Anonymous said...

"Only one kind of Sabbath was given to Adam, and one only remains for us. See Hosea 2:11. `I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts.' All the Jewish sabbaths did cease when Christ nailed them to his cross. Col.2:14-17. These were properly called Jewish sabbaths. Hosea says, `her sabbaths.' But the Sabbath of which we are speaking, God calls `my Sabbath.' Here is a clear distinction between the creation Sabbath and the ceremonial. The one is perpetual; the others were merely shadows of good things to come." - Life and Views, pp. 161, 162.

June 8, 2011 10:38 AM 

 

Fr. Abe, CRS said... 

 

YOUR SABBATH IS THE SABBATH OF THE PHARISEES, NOT THE SABBATH OF CHRISTIANS. WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THAT THE CHRISTIANS WERE GIVEN THE COMMAND TO FULFILL THE SATURDAY SABBATH OF THE JEWS? THE CHRISTIANS WERE GATHERING TOGETHER ON SUNDAY.

June 8, 2011 10:41 AM

Anonymous said...

Fr. Abe, you did not get my point. You said, “GAYA NG SABI SA TAAS (Leviticus 23:7) ANG UNANG ARAW ANG DAY PARA SA "BANAL NA PAGPUPULONG" O "HOLY CONVOCATION" O "SACRED ASSEMBLY". KAYA SA ARAW NA IYAN TAYO NAGKAKATIPON BILANG MGA CATOLICO.”I want to point out that the Sabbath being pertained to in that verse is not the weekly Sabbath. Rather it is one of those ceremonial sabbaths that were abolished when Jesus died on the cross. We need to know that there are many sabbaths in the Bible and that only one Sabbath remains and that is the seventh-day weekly Sabbath, the Sabbath of the Lord.
This is from a brother: “The seventh-day Sabbath was not for Israel merely, but for the world. It had been made known to man in Eden, and, like the other precepts of the Decalogue, it is of imperishable obligation. Of that law of which the fourth commandment forms a part, Christ declares, "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in nowise pass from the law." So long as the heavens and the earth endure, the Sabbath will continue as a sign of the Creator's power.”
The Sabbath was embodied in the law given from Sinai; but it was not then first made known as a day of rest. The people of Israel had a knowledge of it before they came to Sinai.This is why the 4th commandment says “REMEMBER to keep the Sabbath holy.”
I cannot find any verse in the Bible saying that the seventh-day Sabbath was abolished by Jesus and that Sunday or the first day of the week has replaced it. “As was his custom, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day. “ (Luke 4:16) "Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets” (Matthew 5:17). Reading all throughout the story of Jesus’ life here on earth when He was human makes it clear that He and His disciples all kept the seventh-day Sabbath holy. My mind is so open to the truth. Fr. Abe I am not challenging you to give me evidences from the Bible of your claim that the seventh-day Sabbath was abolished and that Sunday is now the Lord’s day. I just want to know the truth (if ever there is a greater truth than what I am clinging to). I don’t want any debate but just a discussion to come up with the truth.

June 9, 2011 2:46 PM

Anonymous said...

The Sabbath of the Jews or the Israelites you are pertaining to are the ceremonial sabbaths. That which is to be kept holy up to now and in the world to come is the Sabbath of the Lord, the one in the 4th commandment, the Sabbath in the creation story.

June 9, 2011 2:50 PM 

 

Fr. Abe, CRS said... 

 

[Fr. Abe, you did not get my point. You said, “GAYA NG SABI SA TAAS (Leviticus 23:7) ANG UNANG ARAW ANG DAY PARA SA "BANAL NA PAGPUPULONG" O "HOLY CONVOCATION" O "SACRED ASSEMBLY". KAYA SA ARAW NA IYAN TAYO NAGKAKATIPON BILANG MGA CATOLICO.”I want to point out that the Sabbath being pertained to in that verse is not the weekly Sabbath.]

THAT'S IT. IT PROVES THAT YOUR SATURDAY SABBATH IS NOT THE ONLY SABBATH. THERE IS A SABBATH GIVEN BY GOD WHICH IS NOT THE SEVENTH DAY BUT ON THE FIRST DAY. SO, THE SDA DOCTRINE OF SATURDAY ONLY IS DESTROYED HERE.

[Rather it is one of those ceremonial sabbaths that were abolished when Jesus died on the cross.]

O NO, NO, NO... THE FEAST OF THE UNLEAVENED BREAD WAS NOT ABOLISHED. WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THAT THE FEAST OF THE UNLEAVENED BREAD WAS ABOLISHED?

REMEMBER THAT WHEN JESUS TOOK THE UNLEAVENED BREAD AND THE CHALICE WITH THE GRAPE WINE AND ORDERED THE APOSTLES DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME WAS MEANT TO CONTINUE THE FEAST OF THE UNLEAVENEED BREAD. AND THE APOSTLES CONTINUED THAT BREAKING OF THE BREAD, NOT ONLY ONCE A YEAR BUT ON FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK WHICH IS SUNDAY:

Act 2:42 "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."

THE BREAKING OF THE BREAD BECAME PART OF THE LIFE OF THE CHRISTIANS AS JESUS COMMANDED THEM TO DO THIS IN REMEBRANCE OF ME. THEY DIDN'T WAIT FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR TO REPEAT THE ACTIONS OF THE LORD IN LAST SUPPER. AND THEY WERE DOING IT ON SUNDAY:

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

THERE, THE DISCIPLES CAME TOGETHER TO BREAK BREAD WHEN? THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK. SO THEIR HOLY CONVOCATION BY WHICH THEY PARTAKE OF THE UNLEAVENED BREAD AS JESUS DID IS NOT ON SATURDAY BUT SUNDAY.

THE DISCIPLES CAME TO GATHER TOGETHER NOT ON SATURDAY BUT ON SUNDAY. WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE THAT THE DISCIPLES GATHERED TOGETHER ON SATURDAY AND NOT ON SUNDAY? 

[We need to know that there are many sabbaths in the Bible and that only one Sabbath remains and that is the seventh-day weekly Sabbath, the Sabbath of the Lord.]

WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THAT THE SATURDAY SABBATH IS THE ONLY SABBATH THAT REMAINS? WHERE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE.

[This is from a brother: “The seventh-day Sabbath was not for Israel merely, but for the world. It had been made known to man in Eden, and, like the other precepts of the Decalogue, it is of imperishable obligation. Of that law of which the fourth commandment forms a part, Christ declares, "Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in nowise pass from the law." So long as the heavens and the earth endure, the Sabbath will continue as a sign of the Creator's power.”]

THAT IS A PHARISAICAL BELIEF. THE DISCIPLES WERE GATHERING ON SUNDAY TO BREAK BREAD NOT ON SATURDAY WHICH IS THE SABBATH OF THE PHARISEES.


[The Sabbath was embodied in the law given from Sinai; but it was not then first made known as a day of rest. The people of Israel had a knowledge of it before they came to Sinai.This is why the 4th commandment says “REMEMBER to keep the Sabbath holy.”]

IT IS NOWHERE STATED THERE THAT IT WAS THE SEVENTH DAY SABBATH. WHAT IS STATED IS THAT KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH. DEFINITELY WE KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH, BUT ON THE DAY OF THE RESURRECTION NOT ON THE DAY OF THE PHARISEES. 

[I cannot find any verse in the Bible saying that the seventh-day Sabbath was abolished by Jesus and that Sunday or the first day of the week has replaced it.]

IT MEANS THAT YOU HAVE VERY POOR UNDERSTANDING OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. BECAUSE THE NEW TESTAMENT DOES NOT SPEAK OF A SINGLE SABBATH BUT OF TWO SABBATH. AND THAT OTHER SABBATH IS THE DAY OF THE RESURRECTION:

Mat 28:1 ᾿Οψὲ δὲ σαββάτων, τῇ ἐπιφωσκούσῃ εἰς μίαν σαββάτων, ἦλθε Μαρὶα ἡ Μαγδαληνὴ καὶ ἡ ἄλλη Μαρία θεωρῆσαι τὸν τάφον. [Opse de sabbaton te epiphoskouse eis mian sabbaton elthen Maria e Magdalene kai e alle Maria theo resai ton taphon.]

SEE, THERE ARE TWO SABBATON THERE. THE OLD SABBATON WHICH IS THE SEVENTH DAY AND THE NEW SABBATON WHICH IS THE FIRST DAY - THE DAY OF RESURRECTION. THEY ARE BOTH SABBATON.

THAT IS WHY ST. PAUL DEVELOPED THE THEOLOGY OF NEW CREATION, WHEREIN THE DISCIPLES ARE PART OF NEW CREATION... THEY ARE NEW CREATURES IN CHRIST [Gal 6:15, 2 Cor 5:17]. THAT NEW CREATION IS THE DAY OF RESURRECTION THE NEW SABBATH. AGAIN, SUNDAY IS REFERRED AS THE FIRST SABBATON. FOR ST. PAUL THE OLD CREATION IS NO MORE WHAT COUNTS IS THE NEW CREATION:

Gal 6:15 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is a new creation [NIV]

YOU BELONG TO THE OLD CREATION WHILE THE TRUE CHRISTIANS BELONG TO THE NEW CREATION. THE FIRST SABBATON IS THE RESURRECTION OF THE LORD.

[“As was his custom, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day. “ (Luke 4:16)]

HA HA HA... THIS IS CHEAP SHOT BECAUSE JESUS IS A JEW AND THE RESURRECTION SABBATH DIDN'T OCCUR YET THAT TIME.

["Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets” (Matthew 5:17).]

YEAH, JESUS DIDN'T DESTROY THE LAW OF THE SABBATH HE SIMPLY MADE IT NEW BY CHOOSING THE FIRST DAY SABBATH. HE CHOSE THE FIRST SABBATH FOR HIS GLORIOUS DAY... HIS DAY OF TRIUMPH OVER SIN AND DEATH. THAT FIRST SABBATH IS SUNDAY.

[Reading all throughout the story of Jesus’ life here on earth when He was human makes it clear that He and His disciples all kept the seventh-day Sabbath holy.]

O NO. THE LORD JESUS OBEYED THE SABBATH PRIOR TO HIS RESURRECTION BECAUSE HE WAS A JEW BUT WHEN HE RESURRECTED HE WAS NO LONGER GOING INSIDE THE TEMPLE ON THE SEVENTH DAY SABBATH INSTEAD HE WAS APPEARING TO THE DISCIPLES ON SUNDAYS.


[My mind is so open to the truth. Fr. Abe I am not challenging you to give me evidences from the Bible of your claim that the seventh-day Sabbath was abolished and that Sunday is now the Lord’s day. I just want to know the truth (if ever there is a greater truth than what I am clinging to). I don’t want any debate but just a discussion to come up with the truth.]

THAT IS THE TRUTH. THERE ARE TWO SABBATH IN THE ORIGINAL GREEK WORD OF THE BIBLE. THE FIRST DAY WHICH IS THE DAY OF RESURRECTION, SUNDAY, WAS ALSO CALLED SABBATH BY THE APOSTLES. AND THE DISCIPLES WERE GATHERING TOGETHER ON SUNDAY NOT ON SATURDAY.

SHOW ME A VERSE THAT SHOW THAT THE CHRISTIANS GATHERED TOGETHER ON SATURDAY AFTER THE RESURRECTION. CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. HE HE HE... HOPE YOU WILL ALSO OPEN YOUR MIND AND YOUR HEART AND YOUR EYES TO THE TRUTH. GET AWAY FROM THE SABBATH OF THE PHARISEES. 

June 9, 2011 3:54 PM

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

[The Sabbath of the Jews or the Israelites you are pertaining to are the ceremonial sabbaths.]

O NO, THAT IS THE FIRST DAY SABBATH OF THE FEAST OF THE UNLEAVENED BREAD WHICH IS THE SAME FEAST COMMANDED BY CHRIST TO BE DONE BY THE APOSTLES DURING THE LAST SUPPER. IT WAS A PASSOVER AND FEAST OF THE UNLEAVENED BREAD. THIS IS NOT A SIMPLE CEREMONIAL. HE HE HE... BESIDES IF IT IS SABBATH THEN IT IS SABBATH.

[That which is to be kept holy up to now and in the world to come is the Sabbath of the Lord, the one in the 4th commandment, the Sabbath in the creation story.]

THE 3RD COMMANDMENT IS SPEAKS OF "KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH DAY". THERE IS NO MENTION OF "THE SEVENTH DAY SABBATH ONLY". O NO, NO, NO... YOU ARE LIMITING THE WORD OF GOD TO SUIT THE INVENTED DOCTRINE OF ELLEN GOULD WHITE. THE SABBATH OF THE CHRISTIANS WHO BELONGS TO THE NEW CREATION IN CHRIST IS SUNDAY THE SABBATH AFTER THE SABBATH. THE SUNDAY SABBATH IS THE FIRST SABBATH.

June 9, 2011 4:09 PM

Anonymous said...

Fr. Abe I am wondering how the fourth commandment became the 3rd? The Sabbath is on the fourth, right? typo error?
It's nice having discussion with you Fr. Abe. I'll be back next week. I'll be out of connection for a while because I have no internet connection in the house...
God bless us all!

June 9, 2011 5:03 PM

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

In the numbering of the Catholic Church the Sabbath command is on the 3RD. It is not typo error but the ancient Catholic numbering much older than the numbering of Ellen Gould White. We were the ones who put the Chapter and the Verses in the Bible not the SDA and not Ellen Gould White so we have the authority to speak about the right numbering of the Commandments.

See you next week then. God bless us all.

June 9, 2011 6:29 PM