IS THE CHURCH PROHIBITED IN ALLOWING WOMEN TO READ DURING THE MASS?

St. Therese of the Child Jesus

 

 

Anonymous said...

fr, tungkol po sa babaing nagbabsa ng readings sa misa at sa EMHC's
St. Paul forbade women to speak in church. "Let women keep silence in the churches, for it is not permitted them to speak, but let them be submissive, as the Law also says...it is unseemly for a woman to speak in church" (I Corinthians 14:34-35)
Many Novus Ordo churches ignore this rule - they ignore a direct command from St. Paul - a man much greater than they could ever hope to be - and sadly, women read the Holy Scriptures in most Novus Ordo churches. In fact, at the church I attend, it is quite unusual to see a man as a lay reader.
Women - in fact all laypeople - have no right to read the Scriptures at Mass and even less of a right to administer Holy Communion to the faithful. The Council of Trent states:

"If anyone says that all Christians [lay people] have the power to administer the word [read at Mass] and all the sacraments [give out communion], let him be anathema."
[Canon 10, Session VII, March 3, 1547]
source: michaeorapronobis
-Ray

June 20, 2011 9:56 PM

Fr. Abe, CRS said... 

 

[fr, tungkol po sa babaing nagbabsa ng readings sa misa at sa EMHC's
St. Paul forbade women to speak in church. "Let women keep silence in the churches, for it is not permitted them to speak, but let them be submissive, as the Law also says...it is unseemly for a woman to speak in church" (I Corinthians 14:34-35)]

DEAR RAY,

THE POINT OF ST. PAUL HERE IS THAT WOMEN SHOULD BE SUBJECTED TO THE AUTHORITY OF THE MEN AND MUST NOT ABROGATE THE AUTHORITY OF THE ALL-MALE PRIESTHOOD. BUT IT IS NOT A DOGMATIC PRONOUNCEMENTS THAT WOMEN CANNOT BE AUTHORIZED BY MEN TO READ IN THE ASSEMBLY. BECAUSE IF THE WOMEN ARE GIVEN AUTHORIZATION BY THE MALE-PRIEST WHICH REPRESENT JESUS AS THE HIGH PRIEST THEN IT IS NOT A VIOLATION OF THE COMMAND. BECAUSE THE WOMAN DID IT NOT THROUGH REJECTION OF THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH BUT IN OBEDIENCE TO THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH.

[Many Novus Ordo churches ignore this rule - they ignore a direct command from St. Paul - a man much greater than they could ever hope to be - and sadly, women read the Holy Scriptures in most Novus Ordo churches.]

THE PAULINE MASS CHURCHES ARE ACTUALLY UTILIZING TO THE FULL THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH ON WOMEN THAT THEY SHOULD SUBMIT. THEIR READING IN THE CHURCH IS AN ACT OF SUBMISSION AND OF SERVICE.

YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT THE POPE HAS THE POWER TO BIND AND TO LOOSE AS SUCCESSOR OF ST. PETER [MT 16;18-19] AND THE BISHOPS AS WELL AS SUCCESSORS OF THE APOSTLES [MT 18:18]. THE SERVANT OF GOD POPE PAUL VI, OF HAPPY MEMORY,SIMPLY EMPLOYED HIS POWER TO LOOSE THAT DIRECTIVE WHICH IS NOT DOGMATIC AND NON-BINDING. AND HE WAS SUPPORTED BY THE BISHOPS OF THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH.

MUCH MORE, YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN THE REAL INTENTION OF THE TEXT. THE PROHIBITION TO SPEAK IS BASICALLY A PROHIBITION TO TEACH AND PREACH INSIDE THE CHURCH NOT ESSENTIALLY ON DISALLOWING THEM TO READ. THE INTENTION IS WELL PRESERVED IN THE PAULINE MASS BECAUSE IT PROHIBITS WOMEN TO PREACH AND TO TEACH DURING THE HOLY MASS. THAT MINISTERIAL DUTY IS RESERVED FOR PRIESTS AND DEACONS.

PERHAPS YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF THIS DECISION OF THE COUNCIL OF TRENT:

"It declares furthermore, that in the dispensation of the sacraments, salva illorum substantia, the CHURCH may, according to CIRCUMSTANCES, TIMES AND PLACES, determine or CHANGE whatever she may judge most expedient for the benefit of those receiving them or for the veneration of the sacraments, and THIS POWER HAS ALWAYS BEEN HERS." [COUNCIL OF TRENT 21st Session, Chap II under Pope Pius IV July 1562]

 

[In fact, at the church I attend, it is quite unusual to see a man as a lay reader.]

MOST PROBABLY YOU ARE ATTENDING MASSES FROM SSPX AND OTHER LITURGICAL REBELS WHO REFUSED TO RECOGNIZE THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH TO PUT CHANGES IN THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE SACRAMENTS. THESE PEOPLE ARE STAGNANT IN THEIR MINDSET AND EVERYTHING THAT COMES FROM VATICAN II IS REJECTED BECAUSE THEIR MINDS ARE PREGNANT WITH MALICE.

[Women - in fact all laypeople - have no right to read the Scriptures at Mass and even less of a right to administer Holy Communion to the faithful.]

WOMEN HAVE RIGHT TO READ THE FIRST AND SECOND READINGS AS WELL AS THE RESPONSORIAL PSALM IN THE MASS BECAUSE THE CHURCH AUTHORIZED THEM TO DO SO. UNFORTUNATELY YOU ARE NOT OUR POPE AND THE BISHOPS OF THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH ARE NOT AGREEING WITH YOU. I ONLY RECOGNIZE THE AUTHORITY OF THE VICAR OF CHRIST WHOSE DECISION AND JUDGMENT IS THE DEFINITIVE AUTHORITY ON EARTH ON MATTERS INVOLVING FAITH AND MORALS AS WELL AS CANONICAL AND LITURGICAL MATTERS. PLEASE DON'T PRETEND TO BE HIGHER THAN OUR POPE.

 

[The Council of Trent states:

"If anyone says that all Christians [lay people] have the power to administer the word [read at Mass] and all the sacraments [give out communion], let him be anathema."

[Canon 10, Session VII, March 3, 1547]
source: michaeorapronobis
-Ray ]

THE COUNCIL OF TRENT ALSO SAID THAT SUCH RULES CAN BE CHANGED ACCORDING TO CIRCUMSTANCES, TIMES AND PLACES. THAT POWER TO CHANGE IS ALWAYS... CONSTANTLY PRESENT IN THE CHURCH. HOW COME YOU ARE IGNORANT OF THAT POWER? HOW COME YOU REFUSE THAT AUTHORITY WHEN IT WAS EMPLOYED?

YOU ONLY SHOWED THE PROHIBITION BUT YOU DIDN'T CITE THE PROVISION FOR POSSIBLE CHANGES. THAT IS SATANIC.

ACTUALLY, IT WAS THE SAME TECHNIQUE AND POWER USED WHEN THE TLM WAS IMPLEMENTED BY POPE PIUS V. IT WAS A NEW RITE WHICH CAME FROM VARIOUS RITES BEFORE IT. THE TLM WAS ALSO NEW WHEN IT WAS IMPLEMENTED. IT WAS NOT THE MASS OF THE APOSTLES.

 

LET ME CHECK YOUR CITATION MORE CLOSELY:

"If anyone says that all Christians [lay people] have the power to administer the word [read at Mass] and all the sacraments [give out communion], let him be anathema."

THE CHURCH DIDN’T TEACH THAT ALL CHRISTIANS HAVE THE POWER TO ADMINISTER THE WORD AND ALL THE SACRAMENTS. WHERE DID YOU GET THAT? THE POWER THAT BELONGS TO THE PRIESTS ARE KEPT FOR THE PRIESTS BECAUSE WOMEN ARE NOT ORDAINED AS PRIESTS. 

YOU SATANICALLY INSERTED 'LAY PEOPLE' THERE AS WELL AS ‘READ AT MASS’ AND ‘GIVE OUT COMMUNION’. O NO, NO, NO… THE ORIGINAL TEXT DOES NOT HAVE THAT. THAT IS FOUL.

WOMEN DO NOT ADMINISTER THE WORDS THEY ARE SIMPLY READING BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT FUNCTIONING AS MINISTER OF THE WORD. READING A TEXT DOES NOT MAKE ONE A MINISTER OF THE SACRAMENTS. IT IS THE PRIEST THAT IS THE MINISTER OF THE SACRAMENTS IN THE PAULINE MASS. YOU ARE EQUATING 'READING' WITH 'ADMINISTERIAL POWER'... NO, NO, NO... THE WOMEN LECTORS ARE MERE SERVANTS OF THE CHURCH WITH NO MINISTERIAL OFFICE. THE AUTHORIZATION FOR THEM TO READ THE OLD TESTAMENT PASSAGES AND THE EPISTLES OF THE NEW TESTAMENT DOES NOT MAKE THEM ADMINISTRATORS OF THE SACRAMENTS. NO, NO, NO... THAT IS ONLY A PRODUCT OF YOUR IMAGINATION.

CONCERNING THE SPECIAL MINISTERS OF THE HOLY COMMUNION… THOSE WHO ARE DISTRIBUTING COMMUNION IN THE MASS ARE NOT ORDINARY LAY BUT THEY ARE SPECIAL MINISTERS OF THE CHURCH. THEY ARE ‘MINISTERS’ OF THE CHURCH. THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN SPECIAL POWER AND AUTHORIZATION TO DISTRIBUTE HOLY COMMUNION. THEY CAN ONLY FUNCTION AS SUCH TEMPORARILY AND THEIR POWER ARE LIMITED BUT THEY ARE NOT TO BE EQUATED WITH THE ORDINARY LAY. IF THE CHURCH HAS THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE THE DEACONS EXTRAORDINARY MINISTERS OF THE EUCHARIST THE CHURCH HAS THE SAME AUTHORITY TO CREATE MORE MINISTRIES IN THE CHURCH AS PRACTICAL SITUATIONS DEMANDS. 

June 21, 2011 4:50 PM