The Marriage of the Virgin b Raphael
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Hello po Father Abe, good morning po. :)
Ako po ay isang Roman Catholic po at meron lang po sana akong itatanong sa inyo. Pero bago ako magtanong po eh gusto ko lang pong sabihin sa inyo na ang galing niyo po talaga. Para sa akin ikaw po ay isa sa mga magagaling na Apologists dito sa ating bansa po Father. By the way Father, nagstart na po ako magread ng bible para maging isang taga-pagtanggol ng faith ng Katoliko. Gusto ko pong maging isang Apologist ng simbahang Katoliko kasi nakikita ko mismo dito sa amin na may mga katolikong mga kabataan na laging natatalo sa ibang mga relihiyon. Gusto ko silang sagutin pero wala po akong ma-isagot kasi wala pa akong alam sa bibliya. Kaya ngayon nagbabasa na po ako para maipagtanggol ko po ang Simbahang Katoliko sa mga naninira nito. Ipagpapatuloy at ipagtatanggol ko po ang ating relihiyon hanggang sa huling hininga ko dito sa mundo.
Ito na po ang tanong ko: Meron po akong tanong about sa divorce Father, kasi nagugulohan po ako sa Matthew 19:8 at Matthew 19:9
Matthew 19:8
He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way.
Alam ko po na pinayagan ni Moses ang divorce dahil sa sobrang katigasan ng mga ulo ng mga tao.
Ang tanong ko po:
1. Yong pagpayag ba ni Moses sa divorce eh ok rin ba sa Panginoon natin?
2. Kung hindi po, bakit po hindi niya pinarusaan ng Panginoon natin ang mga tao or bakit hindi niya pinagalitan si Moses sa pagpayag ng divorce?
3. Kung pinayagan naman po, ang ibig bang sabihin ba nito eh mismong Panginoon natin ang lumabag sa kanyang utos?
Alam ko po na hate na hate ng Panginoon natin ang divorce. Kaya nagtatanong po ako kasi para yatang nagcontradict ang dating pero alam ko po na merong explanation po dito.
Matthew 19:9
And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
Dito naman po sa Matthew 19:9 nagugulohan rin ako. Sa Matthew po may “exception” po pero sa Mark 10:11-12 at Luke 16:18 ay walang “exception”.
Tanong ko po:
1. Bakit po may “exception” kay Matthew, samantalang wala namang exception kay Mark at Luke? Ano pong ibig sabihin niyan po Father?
2. Bakit walang “exception” sa kay Mark at Luke po?
Kasi may ka debate po ako na pumayag daw ang Panginoon natin sa divorce. Ginamit ko yong Malachi 2:16 pero ginamitan niya po ako ng Matthew 8-9. Parang na speechless po ako, wala po akong ma isagot dito po kaya parang talo ako. Patulong po at paki-explain po Father.
Sana mapansin niyo po ang post ko.
Salamat po sa inyo at God bless you po. -
Fr. Abe, CRS said...
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[Hello po Father Abe, good morning po. :)]
GOOD DAY TO YOU.
[Ako po ay isang Roman Catholic po at meron lang po sana akong itatanong sa inyo. Pero bago ako magtanong po eh gusto ko lang pong sabihin sa inyo na ang galing niyo po talaga. Para sa akin ikaw po ay isa sa mga magagaling na Apologists dito sa ating bansa po Father.]
TO GOD BE THE GLORY.
[By the way Father, nagstart na po ako magread ng bible para maging isang taga-pagtanggol ng faith ng Katoliko. Gusto ko pong maging isang Apologist ng simbahang Katoliko kasi nakikita ko mismo dito sa amin na may mga katolikong mga kabataan na laging natatalo sa ibang mga relihiyon. Gusto ko silang sagutin pero wala po akong ma-isagot kasi wala pa akong alam sa bibliya. Kaya ngayon nagbabasa na po ako para maipagtanggol ko po ang Simbahang Katoliko sa mga naninira nito. Ipagpapatuloy at ipagtatanggol ko po ang ating relihiyon hanggang sa huling hininga ko dito sa mundo.]
VERY GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR GENEROSITY OF SPIRIT TO DEFEND THE FAITH AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
[Ito na po ang tanong ko: Meron po akong tanong about sa divorce Father, kasi nagugulohan po ako sa Matthew 19:8 at Matthew 19:9
Matthew 19:8
He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way.]
OK.
[Alam ko po na pinayagan ni Moses ang divorce dahil sa sobrang katigasan ng mga ulo ng mga tao.]
YES, HINDI TALAGA BATAS NG DIOS ANG DIVORCE KUNDI BATAS NG TAO. AT ITO AY BUNGA NG KATIGASAN NG ULO NG MGA TAO LABAN SA KALOOBAN NG DIOS.
[Ang tanong ko po:
1. Yong pagpayag ba ni Moses sa divorce eh ok rin ba sa Panginoon natin?]
HINDI OK SA KANYA KASI NGA ANG KALOOBAN NIYA AY ANG PAG-ISAHIN ANG MAG-ASAWA AT PAPAGTIBAYIN NG KANILANG KASAL.
SUBALIT ITO AY PINAHINTULUTAN NG DIOS. GOD DIDN'T APPROVED IT BUT HE SIMPLY ALLOWED IT IN RESPECT TO OUR FREEDOM.
[2. Kung hindi po, bakit po hindi niya pinarusaan ng Panginoon natin ang mga tao or bakit hindi niya pinagalitan si Moses sa pagpayag ng divorce?]
PINARUSAHAN NIYA SILA. KAYA NAMAN ANG ISRAEL AY NAGDUSA NG HUSTO SA DISIERTO AT LAGING PINAGAGALITAN NG DIOS SA PAMAMAGITAN NG MGA PROPETA.
ANG DIVORCE AY NAGING LEGAL NA BATAS NG TAO SUBALIT HINDI PA RIN ITO BATAS NG DIOS. IT IS A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF "NOT EVERYTHING THAT IS LEGAL IS MORAL."
[3. Kung pinayagan naman po, ang ibig bang sabihin ba nito eh mismong Panginoon natin ang lumabag sa kanyang utos?]
HINAYAAN SILA NG DIOS NA GAWIN NILA ANG KANILANG GUSTO SUBALIT ANG DIOS AY HINDI NAGBABAGO SA KANYANG UTOS. ANG TAO ANG NALUBLOB SA MALI HINDI ANG DIOS.
- [Alam ko po na hate na hate ng Panginoon natin ang divorce. Kaya nagtatanong po ako kasi para yatang nagcontradict ang dating pero alam ko po na merong explanation po dito.]
WALANG CONTRADICTION. KASI HINDI NAMAN SI GOD ANG NAGPAHINTULOT KUNDI ANG MGA SUWAIL AT MATITIGAS ANG ULO NA MGA TAO.
KAGAYA SA IBANG BANSA NA LEGALIZE ANG ABORTION - KILLING OF BABIES INSIDE THE WOMB OF THE MOTHER. GOD HATES KILLING OF BABIES BUT THOSE WHO IMPLEMENT THEM ARE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE.
[Matthew 19:9
And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
Dito naman po sa Matthew 19:9 nagugulohan rin ako. Sa Matthew po may “exception” po pero sa Mark 10:11-12 at Luke 16:18 ay walang “exception”.
Tanong ko po:
1. Bakit po may “exception” kay Matthew, samantalang wala namang exception kay Mark at Luke? Ano pong ibig sabihin niyan po Father?]
UNA, DAPAT MONG MAUNAWAAN ANG HUSTO ANG CONTEXT NG TALATA. ANG SABI "HINDI DAPAT I DIVORCE NG LALAKI ANG ASAWA NIYANG BABAE." YUNG CLAUSE NA "EXCEPT IN CASE OF IMMORALITY" AY DAPAT MALIWANAGAN:
(a) Ang babaeng nahuling nakiapid o pumatol sa iba ay pinaparusahan ng kamatayan... binabato hanggang mamatay [cf. Deuteronomy 22:22].
SO, THE MARRIAGE BOND SHALL COME TO AN END BECAUSE THE ADULTERERS SHALL BE PUNISHED WITH DEATH. OF COURSE, THE FAITHFUL PARTNER IS THEN FREE TO REMARRY.
(b) Ang exception clause ay pagtatanggal ng dealth penalty for adulterers. Sa halip na patayin ay hihiwalan na lamang. Dahil sinira na nito ang Sagradong Pag-iisa ng mag-asawa.
SUBALIT, KUNG GANITO ANG SET UP HINDI PA RIN BINIBIGYAN NI JESUS NG KARAPATAN ANG BAWAT PARTY NA MAG-ASAWA NG IBA DAHIL BUHAY ANG PARTNER.
KAYA ANG GANITONG SET-UP AY SIMILAR LAMANG SA ATING 'LEGAL SEPARATION'. MAGKAHIWALAY DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES PERO MAG-ASAWA PA RIN. HINDI PA RIN NAPAPAWALANG BISA ANG BIGKIS NG KASAL HANGGANG KAMATAYAN.
ITO AY SINUSUPORTAHAN NG NO EXCEPTION CLAUSE NI MARK. IBIG SABIHIN TALAGANG "NO TO DIVORCE". HINDI PWEDENG MAGHIWALAY ANG MAG-ASAWA DAHIL LANG SA CAPRICIO NG PARTNERS. IN BOTH CASE DAPAT MAIPRESERVE ANG KABANALAN NG KASAL.
2. Bakit walang “exception” sa kay Mark at Luke po?KASI ST. MATTHEW EXPLAINS THE TERRIBLE EFFECT NG INFIDELITIES OR FORNICATION BEFORE MARRIAGE. MARK AND LUKE DECIDED NOT TO PUT IT SO THAT PEOPLE WILL NOT THINK THAT THE LORD JESUS ALREADY PERMITTED DIVORCE ALSO. THEN HE WILL BE LIKE MOSES INSTEAD OF BETTER THAN MOSES.
Kasi may ka debate po ako na pumayag daw ang Panginoon natin sa divorce. Ginamit ko yong Malachi 2:16 pero ginamitan niya po ako ng Matthew 8-9. Parang na speechless po ako, wala po akong ma isagot dito po kaya parang talo ako. Patulong po at paki-explain po Father.HINDI PUMAYAG ANG PANGINOON SA DIVORCE AS WE MEAN IT TODAY. NA KAPAG AYAW NA NANG MAG-ASAWA ANG ISAT ISA AY MAGDE DECLARE NG DIVORCE TAPOS MALAYA NANG MAG-ASAWA ULIT KAYA MAY MGA AMERCANO NA GAYA NI ELIZABETH TAYLOR NA 9 ANG NAGING ASAWA. O NO, NO, NO....ANG PINAGSAMA NG DIOS AY HINDI DAPAT PAGHIWALAYIN NG TAO. YUN NAMANG NAG COMMIT NG ADULTERY OR FORNICATION AY SUMIRA SA KABANALAN NG KASAL PERO WALANG SINABI ANG PANGINOON NA PWEDE NA SILANG MAGPAPALIT PALIT NG ASAWA. HINDI. SA HALIP ANG PUMATOL SA KANILA AY NAGKO COMMIT PA RIN NG ADULTERY.ANOTHER THING, SOME SCHOLARS EXPLAINS NA ANG TINUTUKOY NA FORNICATION DITO AY COMMITTED BEFORE MARRIAGE BUT DISCOVERED ONLY LATER ON WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN UNITED. HINDI AFTER KASI KAPAG NAG FORNICATE AFTER MARRIAGE E DEATH SENTENCE ANG PUNISHMENT NON. SO, ANG TERM NA DIVORCE DITO AY HINDI EQUIVALENT NG AMERICAN DIVORCE BUT MORE ON 'ANNULMENT'.... DECLARATION THAT THE MARRIAGE WAS NULL AND VOID FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
Sana mapansin niyo po ang post ko.PASENSYA NA. MARAMING INAASIKASONG MGA QUESTIONS E.
Salamat po sa inyo at God bless you po.WELCOME AND GOD BLESS YOU TOO.
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Wow, salamat po Father Abe. Laking tulong po ang inyong post po.
ReplyDeleteSalamat po talaga. God bless you po.
WELCOME SHENTON
ReplyDeleteHello father. i came along another catholic apologist, John Salza,
ReplyDeletehttp://www.scripturecatholic.com/divorce_remarriage.html
and he said:
Matt. 5:31-32 - the Lord permits divorce only for "porneia." This Greek word generally means unlawful sexual intercourse due to either blood relations (also called incest) or nonsacramental unions. The Lord does not permit divorce for "moicheia" (adultery). It is also important to note that in these cases, a marriage never existed in the first place, so the Lord is not actually permitting divorce, but a dissolution of the unlawful union.
Medyo naguluhan ako. I don't know if this supoorts your explanation above or it contradicts.
TAMA ANG PALIWANAG NIYA AT WALANG SALUNGATAN SA AMIN.
ReplyDeleteTHE CHURCH REJECTS DIVORCE BUT IT ALLOWS ANNULMENT WHICH MEANS 'THERE WAS NO MARRIAGE' PREVIOUSLY AND THEREFORE THE PARTNERS ARE FREE TO GET MARRIED TO ANOTHER.
Father Abe, can you please help? I am anti divorce and i agree to the Catholic's view on this subject. but when i came across a certain Stephen Gola founder of www.divorcehope.com i get confused. He biblically proves that divorce is God's will. I know some couple who are in process of divorce or in it's final stage. and i know of someone who is engaged to marry a divorced man. This website is usually their defense and it worries me. Can you please comment, destroy, refute or whatever that is needed to be done on that site so that I can share it with them and change their minds. Kahit hindi yung buong site father. Kahit itong particular topic lang that they always point out. Thanks in advance and I will pray that you continue this blog as long as you live and train other people to do the same para mapamana sa kanila when it's time for you to go, and when it's time for me to go I'm confident that the blog is still alive or at least more people will be inspired to follow or create their own blogs for my children and future grandchildren and grand grand children to read. here is the excerpt from the website:
ReplyDeleteGod Hates Divorce? Not True!
It's a half-truth that "God hates (ALL) divorce." God Himself calls for divorces. God does not desire His people to be in a bad or wrong marriage. If the couple will do what is necessary to have a godly marriage and friendship, great! Otherwise, divorce and remarriage is a way to get a new start.
God Hates Marriage?
Have you ever heard anyone say, “God hates marriage”? Of course not! Have you ever heard anyone say, “God hates divorce”? Sure we have, especially when they are not the ones faced with that dilemma. The phrase, “God hates divorce” has been used against married couples as a blanket answer to cover all types of marriage problems. As we will find out from God’s Word, that is just not true. Neither is it true that “God hates marriage.” On the contrary, God is the one who instituted marriage between a man and a woman. “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh” (Genesis 2:24).
Even though God instituted marriage, He does not approve of ALL marriages. This can be clearly seen in the lives of the people of Israel written in Ezra, chapter 9 and 10, and Deuteronomy 7:15. In Ezra, God disapproved of the marriages and His judgment was on them until they corrected the situation by divorcing their spouses and even separating from their children that were born from those marriages. In Deuteronomy, God said, “NOR SHALL YOU MAKE MARRIAGES WITH THEM. For they will turn your sons away from following Me” (Deuteronomy 7:3,4). In this situation, God hated these kind of marriages!
When people say, “God hates divorce” as quoted from Malachi 2:16, normally that has been taught to mean that divorce is not allowed AT ALL. We shall see that this is only a half-truth.
In Jeremiah the eighth chapter, Jeremiah mourns over the inhabitants of Jerusalem. The Lord gave them a warning through the prophet in verses 4-22. In verse 5, it says that they were “...in a perpetual backsliding [condition]” and in verse 9 that “...they have rejected the Word of the Lord.” Our wrong motives and attitudes will always reject “the Word of the Lord.”
Because their motives and attitudes toward God and people were so bad, God said in verse 10, “Therefore I WILL GIVE THEIR WIVES TO OTHERS, AND THEIR FIELDS TO THOSE WHO WILL INHERIT THEM.” Notice God’s attitude concerning the marriage. The marriage itself was not first priority, but second. God did not save the marriage, but broke it up because of their continual disobedience. There is a curse that actually comes upon the marriage relationship because of continual disobedience to God (See Deuteronomy 28:30).
DIVORCE ITSELF IS NOT WHAT GOD HATES, BUT THE “WHY,” AND “HOW COME” BEHIND THE DIVORCE.
Can Divorced Christians Remarry? Absolutely!
ReplyDeleteCan divorced christians remarry? Yes, of course! Forbidding someone to remarry after they're divorced is bad doctrine. Marriage after being divorced is our heavenly Father's heart! (Take notice of a wrong translation of only one single word (apoluo) that puts a divorced person in bondage.)
Divorce and Remarriage
“Now the Spirit [of God] expressly says that in latter times [the days we live in now] some will DEPART FROM THE FAITH, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies ...FORBIDDING TO MARRY…” (1Timothy 4:1,3).
“Forbidding [someone] to marry” after they have been divorced is a doctrine of the devil. The Bible is not saying that these people who hold to this belief are not true Christians, but that they teach out of ignorance — they don't understand God's heart in the Scriptures. Understanding God's heart only comes from the Holy Spirit revealing Him to us. Whenever we do not understand God's heart in the Scriptures, we have departed from sound doctrine.
This Scripture could not be talking about forbidding to marry in general. Nobody would listen to such nonsense preached. The desire that God put in man to have a companion and sexual partner is too great, especially if they were married before. In order that we don’t fall into “...sexual immorality, let EACH MAN have his own wife, and let EACH WOMAN have her own husband” (1Corinthians 7:2). “[For] IT IS NOT GOOD THAT MAN SHOULD BE ALONE…” (Genesis 2:18a).
The erroneous doctrine of forbidding one to marry after a divorce has been preached and taught in many churches. It has violated the conscience and hearts of those who’ve been divorced, driving them into a constant state of confusion and negatively impacting their lives. The only way for these people to come out of that confused state is to leave the church, and many have done just that. Not only do they leave the church to remarry, they also need to be able to make the right decision to divorce when it’s necessary in order to save themselves and their families before all is destroyed.
In order to understand that there IS marriage after divorce, we will examine the Scriptures in Matthew 19:3-12 focusing on the usage of the Greek word, apoluo. The Greek word apoluo that’s translated “divorce” or “to put away” is a general word. Its primary usage is: to “send” (apoluo) someone home when it’s getting late.11 When two people are leaving each other there is a “separation.” Apoluo is a separation in general, which does not involve the “legal” aspect of a permanent separation like a divorce. The common usage is seen in the Scripture “When it was evening, His disciples came to Him, saying ‘This is a deserted place, and the hour is already late. SEND (apoluo) the multitudes away, that they may go unto the villages and buy themselves food’” (Matthew 14:15). The Greek word apoluo doesn’t have a legal aspect to it. It’s just a common word that means, “I’m going to go” or, “away from, to separate.” Because of our wrong beliefs about divorce, this key word was purposely translated (incorrectly) so it would not conflict with our beliefs.
When used concerning a marriage it means a separation and NOT a divorce. If a spouse separates intending never to return, then the next step comes into play; the spouse obtains a “certificate of divorce.” This is what the confrontation between Jesus and the Pharisees (the religious lawyers of His day) was about in Matthew 19:3-12. The legal question was, “Do you just separate, OR do you separate AND give a certificate of divorce?” The Greek word used for divorce in these Scriptures means, to “send away” or separate from, NOT a finalized legal divorce.
The lawyers of God’s law tested Jesus. Their motive was to justify when they only separated from their wives and remarried without ever getting a divorce. They asked Him if God accepts a separation to get remarried without a divorce certificate for just any reason. Jesus responded that when a male and female come together in a marriage union, “...they are no longer two BUT ONE…” (Matthew 19:6a). Because the couple is still united, He doesn’t want “man” (the marriage partners) to just separate from each other and get remarried without a divorce. A SEPARATION ALONE DOES NOT BREAK THE MARRIAGE UNION. IT TAKES A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE, ALSO. So the question was NOT, “Can a spouse DIVORCE their mate for any reason,” but “Can a spouse get a SEPARATION from their mate for any reason and then remarry while just separated.”
ReplyDeleteWhen a husband just leaves his wife for another woman without ever giving her a certificate of divorce, this keeps the wife in limbo. She could not go back to her husband because he doesn’t want her; and she couldn’t “go and become another man’s wife” as Moses commanded because she is not legally divorced (See Deuteronomy 24:1-2). If she did remarry without a legal divorce, she and the man who married her would be committing adultery. This is why Jesus said, “...whoever separates (apoluo) from his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is [just] separated (apoluo) commits adultery” (Matthew 19:9 My Translation).
Because the Pharisees’ hearts were so hard “They said to Him [Jesus], ‘WHY then did Moses COMMAND to give a certificate of divorce AND to put her away [separate]?’” (Matthew 19:7). They agreed with the part of the law that said that you could leave your wife, but they didn’t understand that it was not right to keep their wives from getting remarried. A spouse with a hardened heart will not give the other spouse a divorce. They will want to control the person. A person who truly loves unconditionally will always give you a way out: an option not to love.
So it is with God; He always gives us the choice to not love Him. As we choose to love Him, it’s true love. At times the reason a marriage isn’t a truly unconditional loving marriage is because the partners feel that there is never a way out, if needed. If the marriage partners knew that there was a godly way to escape from a failing marriage it would give the couple the freedom to “choose to love,” even when it’s not convenient.
Jesus said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, PERMITTED you to divorce [separate from] your wives, but from the beginning IT [being separated without a divorce] WAS NOT SO” (Matthew 19:8). Notice in verse seven that Moses COMMANDED them to give a certificate of divorce AND to separate (put away) their wives. But in verse eight, because their hearts were so hardened against their spouse, Moses PERMITTED them to just separate without the husband giving the wife a certificate of divorce. The reason Moses commanded that a certificate of divorce be given was to guarantee that the wife could get remarried. Simply, Moses commanded to give a certificate of divorce AND to separate. But because of the hardness of their hearts, Moses permitted them to separate only. The permission to separate and remarry without a divorce was limited to sexual immorality. If the wife was unfaithful, the husband could leave without ever being “officially divorced” — by giving her a certificate of divorcement, and go take another woman as his wife. But if there was no sexual immorality involved, the husband could NOT separate from his wife without getting a divorce first. If he didn’t get a divorce and went to live with another woman or got remarried, they were committing adultery.
ReplyDelete“Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be loosed [for selfish reasons]. Are you loosed [divorced] from a wife? [In my opinion says Paul, the Apostle] do not seek a wife. BUT EVEN IF YOU DO MARRY, YOU HAVE NOT SINNED; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned” (1Corinthians 7:26-28a). Notice that the “virgin” AND the person “loosed [divorced]” are both put in the same category — they have “not sinned” by getting married. BOTH THE PERSON WHO WAS NEVER MARRIED AND THE PERSON WHO WAS DIVORCED ARE WITHOUT SIN IF THEY MARRY.
Deuteronomy 24:1-4 tells of a situation where a man married a woman and then divorced her. This woman then married another man. The Scriptures go on to state that if the second marriage ends by her husband writing “...her a certificate of divorce ...OR if the latter husband dies…” (Deuteronomy 24:3,4), she could not remarry the first man she divorced because she had already married someone else. Therefore, if our spouse dies, or if we were divorced, we can get married again. Divorce and death are equal before God. The only stipulation in this Scripture is that if this is the second marriage, we cannot go back to the first spouse and remarry them because we married someone else after we divorced them.
The Hebrew word: shalach is the equivalent of the Greek word: apoluo.
[Father Abe, can you please help? I am anti divorce and i agree to the Catholic's view on this subject. but when i came across a certain Stephen Gola founder of www.divorcehope.com i get confused. He biblically proves that divorce is God's will.]
ReplyDeleteHE HAS NOT PROVEN THAT DIVORCE IS GOD’S WILL. THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU DIDN’T CHECK PROPERLY THE BIBLICAL VERSES THAT HE GAVE. NONE OF THEM SUPPORTS DIVORCE. READ CAREFULLY HIS ARGUMENTS AND YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT THEY ARE NOT SUPPORTED BY THE VERSES HE WAS QUOTING.
[ I know some couple who are in process of divorce or in it's final stage. and i know of someone who is engaged to marry a divorced man. This website is usually their defense and it worries me. Can you please comment, destroy, refute or whatever that is needed to be done on that site so that I can share it with them and change their minds.]
I AM VERY BUSY NOW BUT I’LL GIVE IT TIME.
[ Kahit hindi yung buong site father. Kahit itong particular topic lang that they always point out. Thanks in advance and I will pray that you continue this blog as long as you live and train other people to do the same para mapamana sa kanila when it's time for you to go, and when it's time for me to go I'm confident that the blog is still alive or at least more people will be inspired to follow or create their own blogs for my children and future grandchildren and grand grand children to read.]
THANK YOU SO.
[here is the excerpt from the website:
God Hates Divorce? Not True!]
GOD HATES DIVORCE AND THAT IS TRUE. IT IS SPECIFIC AND DIRECTLY CLARIFIED BY JESUS :
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
THEIR INSISTENCE ON DIVORCE IS A DEFIANCE AGAINST THE TEACHING OF CHRIST.
[It's a half-truth that "God hates (ALL) divorce."]
THAT IS THE TRUTH AND THE FULL TRUTH CONCERNING MARRIAGE. WHEN GOD UNITES THE HUSBAND AND WIFE THEN NOBODY SHOULD BREAK THAT BOND OF UNITY.
[ God Himself calls for divorces.]
ReplyDeleteGOD DIDN’T CALL FOR DIVORCES. JESUS ALREADY EXPLAINED THAT THERE WAS DIVORCE DURING THE TIME OF MOSES BECAUSE OF THE HARDHEADEDNESS OF THE ISRAELITES AND THEREFORE JEUS ADMONISHED HIS FOLLOWERS TO FOLLOW THE WILL OF GOD:
Mt 19:7-8 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
SO, THEIR INSISTENCE ON DIVORCE IS A REBELLION AGAINST GOD. THEY ARE MAKING JESUS A LIAR BY INSISTING THAT GOD ALLOWED DIVORCE FOR HIS PEOPLE FOR US CHRISTIANS. DURING THE REIGN OF THE MOSAIC LAW DIVORCE WAS PERMITTED BUT WE ARE NO LONGER BELONGING TO THE MOSAIC LAW, WE BELONG TO CHRIST – THE NEW COVENANT:
Rom 7:6 But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit.
THE PROBLEM WITH THESE PRO-DIVORCE THEY ARE STILL IMPOSING ON US THE OLD LAW OF MOASES. WE ARE ALREADY FREE FROM THAT BECAUSE WE ARE NOW UNDER THE LAW OF CHRIST – A NEW LIFE IN SPIRIT WHEREIN MARRIAGE IS ELEVATED TO A HIGHER DEGREE OF SANCTITY. MARRIAGE IS NOW A SACRED BOND THAT MUST NOT BE BROKEN BECAUSE IT IS SEALED BY GOD. WE ARE NOW NOURISHED BY THE BODY OF CHRIST IN COMMUNION OF LOVE NOT UNDER THE POWER OF THE OLD COVENANT WHICH HAS PASSED AWAY:
Heb 10:9-10 …He abolishes the first in order to establish the second. And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
WE BELONG TO THE NEW TESTAMENT, THE NEW COVENANT AND NOT UNDER THE OLD COVENANT ANYMORE.
[God does not desire His people to be in a bad or wrong marriage.]
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BAD OR WRONG MARRIAGE THERE IS ONLY SINFUL HUSBANDS OR WIFE, UNFAITHFUL HUSBAND OR WIFE. THE BAD AND THE WRONG IS NOT ON THE SACRAMENT OF MARRIAGE BUT ON RELATIONSHIPS, ATTITUDES, ACTIONS AND DECISIONS DONE BY INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED. THE SO-CALLED FAILED-MARRIAGE IS ACTUALLY A FAILURE OF THE INDIVIDUALS NOT OF MARRIAGE ITSELF.
[ If the couple will do what is necessary to have a godly marriage and friendship, great! Otherwise, divorce and remarriage is a way to get a new start.]
ReplyDeleteIF THEY DO WHAT IS NECESSARY TO HAVE A GODLY MARRIAGE AND FRIENDSHIP THEN IT IS GREAT BUT IF THEY DO NOT THEIR SINFULNESS, INFIDELITIES ARE NOT EXCUSES FOR THEM TO BREAK THE MARRIAGE BOND AND RE-MARRY AS THEY WANT. O NO, NO, NO… THAT IS NOT STARTING A NEW LIFE THAT IS VIOLATING THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE AND THE WILL OF GOD WHO UNITED THE COMPLE IN AN UNBREAKABLE BOND THAT ENDS ONLY IN DEATH.
[God Hates Marriage?]
DEFINITELY NOT.
[Have you ever heard anyone say, “God hates marriage”? Of course not!]
GOOD FOR YOU.
[Have you ever heard anyone say, “God hates divorce”? Sure we have, especially when they are not the ones faced with that dilemma. The phrase, “God hates divorce” has been used against married couples as a blanket answer to cover all types of marriage problems. As we will find out from God’s Word, that is just not true. Neither is it true that “God hates marriage.” On the contrary, God is the one who instituted marriage between a man and a woman. “Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh” (Genesis 2:24).]
IF GOD LOVES MARRIAGE AND DOES NOT HATE IT THEN GOD IS NOT IN FAVOR OF DIVORCE. INDEED, GOD HATES IT. JESUS ALREADY STATED THAT WHAT GOD UNITED MAN MUST NOT PUT ASUNDER.
[Even though God instituted marriage, He does not approve of ALL marriages. ]
HA HA HA… GOD DOES NOT APPROVE SOME MARRIAGES IF THE MARRIAGE WAS DONE AGAINST THE WILL OF THE INDIVIDUAL OR THERE ARE IMPEDIMENTS, REASONABLE OR LEGAL BARRIER FOR ANY OF THE COUPLE TO CONTRACT MARRIAGE. ONCE THERE IS NO IMPEDIMENT THEN GOD SANCTIFIES THE MARRIAGE.
[This can be clearly seen in the lives of the people of Israel written in Ezra, chapter 9 and 10, and Deuteronomy 7:15. ]
LET ME CHECK THESE VERSES AND SEE HOW VALID YOUR CLAIM IS.
[In Ezra, God disapproved of the marriages and His judgment was on them until they corrected the situation by divorcing their spouses and even separating from their children that were born from those marriages. ]
ReplyDeleteJUST BY CHECKING THE FIRST TWO CHAPTER OF EZRA 9 IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT THE CASE AT BAR IN THIS CHAPTER IS NOT ABOUT DIVORCE BUT THE INFIDELITY OF ISRAEL BY DISOBEYING THE WILL OF THE LORD AGAINST INTER-RACIAL MARRIAGE WITH THEIR ENEMIES WHO WERE IDOLATERS.
THE ISSUE HERE IS NOT ABOUT DIVORCE OR BREAKING OF MARRIAGE BLESSED BY GOD RATHER THE DISOBEDIENCE OF ISRAELITES AND THEIR ABANDONMENT OF THE TRUE FAITH BY TAKING AS THEIR PARTNERS WHOSE FAITH IS ABOMINABLE TO GOD. THIS IS A VIOLATION OF COMMANDMENT NUMBER 1 WHEREIN ISRAEL ALLOWED IDOLATRY TO PENETRATE THEIR COMMUNITIES.
DIVORCES IS A VIOLATION OF A MARRIAGE BLESSSED BY GOD, THE CASE HERE IS CONTRACTING A MARRIAGE NOT BLESSED BY GOD AT ALL. IF THAT RELATIONSHIP IS NOT BLESSED BY GOD THEN THERE IS NO MARRIAGE, THERE IS AN IMPEDIMENT. THIS IS MORE ON ANNULLED UNION RATHER THAN CASE OF DIVORCE. THIS IS PROVEN BY THE PRAYER OF THE PROPHET INTERCEEDING FOR HIS PEOPLE:
Ezr 9:11 which thou didst command by thy servants the prophets, saying, 'The land which you are entering, to take possession of it, is a land unclean with the pollutions of the peoples of the lands, with their abominations which have filled it from end to end with their uncleanness.
Ezr 9:12 Therefore give not your daughters to their sons, neither take their daughters for your sons, and never seek their peace or prosperity, that you may be strong, and eat the good of the land, and leave it for an inheritance to your children for ever.'
Ezr 9:13 And after all that has come upon us for our evil deeds and for our great guilt, seeing that thou, our God, hast punished us less than our iniquities deserved and hast given us such a remnant as this,
Ezr 9:14 shall we break thy commandments again and intermarry with the peoples who practice these abominations? Wouldst thou not be angry with us till thou wouldst consume us, so that there should be no remnant, nor any to escape?
Ezr 9:15 O LORD the God of Israel, thou art just, for we are left a remnant that has escaped, as at this day. Behold, we are before thee in our guilt, for none can stand before thee because of this."
IT IS NOWHERE STATED IN EZRA 9 THAT DIVORCE IS OK. RATHER, GOD REJECTS THE VALIDITY OF THE UNION CONTRACTED AGAINST HIS WILL. THE FIRST OFFENSE IS VIOLATION OF THE FAITH AND THE SECOND OFFENSE IS DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD:
Ezr 10:2 And Shecani'ah the son of Jehi'el, of the sons of Elam, addressed Ezra: "We have broken faith with our God and have married foreign women from the peoples of the land, but even now there is hope for Israel in spite of this.
Ezr 10:3 Therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all these wives and their children, according to the counsel of my lord and of those who tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law.
THE LAW BEING MENTIONED HERE IS MOSAIC LAW STILL WHICH WAS LATER DISCARDED BY JESUS IN FAVOR OF THE NEW COVENANT, THE NEW LAW OF SPIRIT THAT HE TAUGHT.
[In Deuteronomy, God said, “NOR SHALL YOU MAKE MARRIAGES WITH THEM. For they will turn your sons away from following Me” (Deuteronomy 7:3,4). In this situation, God hated these kind of marriages!]
ReplyDeleteHA HA HA… ONCE AGAIN THIS VERSE DOESN’T STATE: “I ALLOW DIVORCE” OR “DIVORCE IS PERMISSIBLE”. NO, NO, NO… GOD IS SIMPLY TELLING THE ISRAELITES THAT THEY SHOULD AVOID UNION WITH CERTAIN PEOPLE. GOD DOES NOT PERMIT DIVORCE HERE BUT SIMPLY TELLS HIS CHILDREN THAT THERE ARE RULES FOR MARRIAGES. EVEN NOW THERE ARE RULES FOR MARRIAGE. THERE ARE PROHIBITIONS PRIOR TO MARRIAGE THAT THE CHURCH OR THE GOVERNMENT IMPOSES ON PEOPLE. BUT IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT SINCE THERE ARE RULES GOVERNING MARRIAGE THAT DIVORCE IS ALREADY ACCEPTED AND ALLOWED BY GOD. NO, NO, NO!
[When people say, “God hates divorce” as quoted from Malachi 2:16, normally that has been taught to mean that divorce is not allowed AT ALL. We shall see that this is only a half-truth.]
SO FAR YOU HAVE NOT PRESENTED ANY IOTA OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM. THE FACT THAT THERE ARE PROHIBITIONS PRIOR TO MARRIAGE AND THERE ARE RULES CONCERNING MARRIAGE ARE NOT CONTRADICTORY TO OUR POSITION SINCE BOTH IN THE CHURCH AND IN THE GOVERNMENT THERE ARE CIVIL AND ECCLESIASTICAL LAWS GOVERNING MARRIAGE WHICH COULD MAKE IT VALID OR INVALID. BUT TO USE THAT FOR DIVORCE IS TOO MUCH STRETCH OF IMAGINATION… THAT IS DELUSION.
[In Jeremiah the eighth chapter, Jeremiah mourns over the inhabitants of Jerusalem. The Lord gave them a warning through the prophet in verses 4-22. In verse 5, it says that they were “...in a perpetual backsliding [condition]” and in verse 9 that “...they have rejected the Word of the Lord.” Our wrong motives and attitudes will always reject “the Word of the Lord.”]
ONCE AGAIN JEREMIAH 8 DOES NOT SPEAK OF GOD ALLOWING OR PERMITTING DIVORCE RATHER IT IS A WARNING AND DECLARATION OF GOD THAT HIS PEOPLE ARE NOT LISTENING TO HIS WORD. WHAT IS THE WORD OF THE LORD:
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
THAT IS THE WORD OF THE LORD. “LET NO MAN PUT ASUNDER WHAT GOD HAD JOINED TOGETHER”. SO DIVORCE IS A VIOLATION OF THE WORD OF GOD AND THEREFORE CONTRARY TO JEREMIAH CHAPTER 8. ONCE AGAIN THE POINT HERE IS DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD LEADS TO DAMNATION AND SUFFERINGS AND PAIN.
[Because their motives and attitudes toward God and people were so bad, God said in verse 10, “Therefore I WILL GIVE THEIR WIVES TO OTHERS, AND THEIR FIELDS TO THOSE WHO WILL INHERIT THEM.”]
ReplyDeleteHA HA HA… THAT GUY IS OUT OF HIS MIND. THAT DECLARATION OF GOD IS NOT A VIOLATION OF THE SACRED MARRIAGE OR A A SIGNAL FOR THE ACCEPTANCE OF DIVORCE. NO, NO, NO… RATHER GOD IS SIMPLYH TELLING THE ISRAELITES THAT BECAUSE OF THEIR DISOBEDIENCE THEIR MARRIAGES SHALL VIOLATED AND DESECRATED AND THEIR PROPERTIES SHALL BE INVADED, CONQUERED BY FOREIGNERS. GOD HERE IS TALKING OF THE EFFECTS OF SIN WHICH IS DEATH, DESTRUCTION, PAIN AND SUFFERINGS, ETC.
THE CAUSE OF DESECRATION OF MARRIAGE HERE IS NOT THE FREE AND LOVING WILL OF GOD WHO BLESSED MARRIAGES BUT THE SINFULNESS OF THE PEOPLE.
THIS IS EVIDENT IN THE UNITED STATES AND IN EUROPE WHERE DIVORCE IS LEGALIZED. YOUR WIFE TODAY IS THE WIFE OF YOUR NEIGHBOR TOMORROW. AFTER GETTING MARRIED IN LAS VEGAS LAST NIGHT THEN THEY DIVORCE AFTER A ONE-NIGHT HONEYMOON THE FOLLOWING DAY AND THAT WOMAN OUT OF WHOM THE GUY FEASTED ON HER FLESH SHALL BE BEING FEASTED UPON ONCE AGAIN BY ANOTHER MAN IN ANOTHER ONE-NIGHT STAND. THUS, THEY HAVE CASES OF A MAN OR WOMAN WHO HAVE MARRIED 5 OR 7 OR 9 TIMES. THAT IS INHUMAN, THAT IS A LIFE PROPER FOR A DOG.
[Notice God’s attitude concerning the marriage. The marriage itself was not first priority, but second.]
HA HA HA… THE POINT IS DIVORCE IS NOT EVEN MENTIONED THERE.
NOW, CONCERNING MARRIAGE COMES SECOND. IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THE GUY IS NOT AWARE OF THE FACT THAT MATRIMONY IS UNDER COMMANDMENT NUMBER 6 WHILE THE LOVE OF GOD IS IN COMMANDMENT NUMBER 1. EVEN ELEMENTARY STUDENTS AMONG CATHOLICS KNOW THAT COMMANDMENT NUMBER 1-3 REFERS TO GOD MAKING HIM THE FIRST AND THE HIGHEST AND THE MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL. THUS, IF GOD CONSIDERS MARRIAGE SECOND TO OBEDIENCE TO HIS WILL IS NOT A PROBLEM FOR US. WE KNOW THAT GOD IS FIRST AND THE REST ARE SECOND IN IMPORTANCE TO HIM. THE BLESSING OF MARRIAGE AND ITS SANCTITY COMES FROM GOD SO IT IS NATURAL THAT WHEN THE COUPLES ABANDONED GOD THEIR MARRIAGE SHALL LOOSE ITS SANCTITY AND HONOR. BUT THE ONE THAT DESTROYS MARRIAGE IS NOT GOD BUT SIN… THAT SIN IS NOT COMMITTED BY GOD BUT BY THE HUMAN PERSONS.
[ God did not save the marriage, but broke it up because of their continual disobedience. There is a curse that actually comes upon the marriage relationship because of continual disobedience to God (See Deuteronomy 28:30).]
O NO, NO, NO…. YOU ARE WRONG. YOU ARE BLAMING GOD HERE. THAT IS SATANIC. GOD DIDN’T BREAK MARRIAGES RATHER HE WAS ONLY WARNING THE PEOPLE THAT THEIR MARRIAGES AND THEIR PROPERTIES SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM IF THEY WILL NOT STOP IN THEIR SINS AND DISOBEDIENCE. THE ONE BREAKING MARRIAGES HERE ARE THE SINFULNESS OF PEOPLE AND THEIR DEFIANCE OF GOD NOT GOD WHO WISHED THAT MARRIAGES BE PRESERVED AS SELL AS THE SANCTITY OF THE LAND.
[DIVORCE ITSELF IS NOT WHAT GOD HATES, BUT THE “WHY,” AND “HOW COME” BEHIND THE DIVORCE.]
ReplyDeleteHA HA HA… YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN US A SINGLE VERSE WHEREIN GOD IS ‘ALLOWING DIVORCE’. WHERE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE. HA HA HA… YOU ARE DELUSIONAL. YOU ARE INVENTING CONCLUSIONS OUT OF VERSES THAT DOES NOT STATE WHAT YOU ARE CLAIMING. NO, NO, NO…
[Can Divorced Christians Remarry? Absolutely!]
NO, NO, NO…
[Can divorced christians remarry? Yes, of course! Forbidding someone to remarry after they're divorced is bad doctrine. Marriage after being divorced is our heavenly Father's heart! (Take notice of a wrong translation of only one single word (apoluo) that puts a divorced person in bondage.)]
APOLUO IS NOT THE ISSUE HERE. WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THE BIBLE OUTSIDE THE LAW OF MOSES THAT GOD ALLOWED DIVORCE? CHAPTER AND VERSE PLEASE.
[Divorce and Remarriage
“Now the Spirit [of God] expressly says that in latter times [the days we live in now] some will DEPART FROM THE FAITH, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies ...FORBIDDING TO MARRY…” (1Timothy 4:1,3).]
ONLY IDIOTS WILL BELIEVE THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH FORBIDS PEOPLE TO MARRY BECAUSE THERE ARE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF CATHOLICS CONTRACTING MARRIAGE EVERY WEEK. ONLY FOOLS WILL STATE SUCH A THING. THIS MAN IS OUT OF HIS MIND.
[“Forbidding [someone] to marry” after they have been divorced is a doctrine of the devil.]
ReplyDeleteTHIS ONE IS A LIAR. LET US CHECK THE VERSE AGAIN:
“Now the Spirit [of God] expressly says that in latter times [the days we live in now] some will DEPART FROM THE FAITH, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies ...FORBIDDING TO MARRY…” (1Timothy 4:1,3)
WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN THAT TEXT THAT ONE CAN REMARRY AFTER DIVORCE? WHERE? NOTHING. NOWHERE. NADA, NUNCA… IN RUSSIAN: NYET, NYET!!! YET THAT DEMON CLAIMS THAT IT IS OK TO LET THOSE WHO DIVORCED TO REMARRY.
THE VERSE IS ABOUT THE PROHIBITION OF MARRIAGE NOT PROHIBITION TO REMARRY THOSE WHO HAVE DIVORCED.
HE IS A DEMON. HE IS SON OF THE DEVIL HIS FATHER:
John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
THE PRO-DIVORCE ARE NECESSITATED TO TELL A LIE IN ORDER TO TWIST THE WORD OF GOD TO SUIT THEIR FORNICATIONS AND THEIR INCONTROLLABLE LUSTS FOR FLESH. THEY CANNOT FOLLOW THE WORD OF GOD TELLING THEM THAT “WHOM GOD HAD JOINED TOGETHER MUST NOT SEPARATED BY MEN”. WHY? BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BELONG TO GOD, THEY BELONG TO THE FATHER OF LIES THE DEVIL:
John 8:47 He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God."
THEY ARE WILLING TO BREAK EVEN THE WORD OF GOD TO SUIT THEIR CAPRICES TO KEEP ON CHANGING THEIR SEXUAL PARTNERS AND THEIR FORNICATIONS.
[ The Bible is not saying that these people who hold to this belief are not true Christians, but that they teach out of ignorance — they don't understand God's heart in the Scriptures. Understanding God's heart only comes from the Holy Spirit revealing Him to us. Whenever we do not understand God's heart in the Scriptures, we have departed from sound doctrine.]
JESUS IS THE HEART OF GOD. JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD [JOHN 1:18]. JESUS IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE [JOHN 14:6]. THAT IS WHY WE KEEP THE WORD OF JESUS TELLING US THAT THOSE WHOM GOD JOINED TOGETHER MUST NOT BE SEPARATED BY MEN. THEY ARE THE ONES DESTROYING AND DISOBEYING THE WORD OF GOD BY INSISTING ON DIVORCE.
[This Scripture could not be talking about forbidding to marry in general. Nobody would listen to such nonsense preached. The desire that God put in man to have a companion and sexual partner is too great, especially if they were married before.]
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DOESN’T FORBID MARRIAGE. ONLY IDIOTS WILL CLAIM SUCH A THING AND THIS GUY IS ONE. IF HE TEACHES THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH FORBIDS MARRIAGE THEN HE IS A LIAR AND A FOOD.
[In order that we don’t fall into “...sexual immorality, let EACH MAN have his own wife, and let EACH WOMAN have her own husband” (1Corinthians 7:2). “[For] IT IS NOT GOOD THAT MAN SHOULD BE ALONE…” (Genesis 2:18a).]
THAT IS A CATHOLIC TEACHING. THAT IS WHY WE ALLOW, WE PROMOTE AND WE PROTECT AND WE PRESERVE THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE. BUT ONCE AGAIN LOOK, IT IS NOWHERE STATED THERE BY ST. PAUL OR BY THE BOOK OF GENESIS THAT DIVORCE IS ALLOWED OR THAT THOSE WHO DIVORCED MUST BE PERMITTED TO RE-MARRY. NO, NO, NO… NOTHING AT ALL.
[The erroneous doctrine of forbidding one to marry after a divorce has been preached and taught in many churches.]
WE ALLOW REMARRIAGE IF ONE OF THE PARTNERS HAVE DIED ALREADY. WE DO NOT ALLOW DIVORCE AND CONSEQUENTLY REMARRIAGE AFTER DIVORCE BECAUSE JESUS REJECTED DIVORCE. WE BELIEVE JESUS MORE THAN YOU.
[ It has violated the conscience and hearts of those who’ve been divorced, driving them into a constant state of confusion and negatively impacting their lives.]
ReplyDeleteWE DIDN’T VIOLATE THEIR CONSCIENCE. IT IS THEY WHO VIOLATED THEIR CONSCIENCE FOR NOT OBEYING GOD AND INSISTING ON THEIR ABOMINABLE WAYS. THEY WANT TO IMPOSE SOMETHING THAT JESUS REJECTED CATEGORICALLY SO IF THEY HAVE PROBLEMS OF CONSCIENCE THEY CAUSED IT TO THEIR OWN PERSONS. DON’T BLAME US FOR THE SINFULLNESS AND HARDHEADEDNESS OF OTHERS. “HE WHO WILL BRING TROUBLE TO HIS OWN FAMILY SHALL INHERIT THE WIND” [PROVERBS 11:29]. CONSEQUENTLY THEY ARE HAVING TROUBLE OF CONSCIENCE.
[The only way for these people to come out of that confused state is to leave the church, and many have done just that.]
THAT IS SATANIC. IMAGINE THAT. JESUS BUILT THE CHURCH PERSONALLY [MATTHEW 16:18-19] TO BE THE PILLAR AND GROUND OF TRUTH [1 TIMOTHY 3:15]
THEN HE WILL SUGGEST THAT THEY ABANDON THE CHURCH. THAT IS DEMONIC.
IF THEY INSISTS ON DIVORCE THEN LET THEM KNOW THAT WE WILL NOT GIVE IT TO THEM. WE DIDN’T GIVE IT EVEN TO KING HENRY VIII OF ENGLAND EVEN IF HE SEPARATED THE ENTIRE ENGLAND FROM THE CHUCH. WHO CARES? NOW, MORE AND MORE ANGLICANS ARE RETURNING TO US BECAUSE OF THE IMMORALITIES OF THE TEACHINGS OF THE ANGLICAN CHURCH. IF THEY WANT TO GET OUT LET THEM BE. WE WILL NOT FORCE THEM TO REMAIN. NOT THAT WE WANT THEM OUT. WE WANT THEM IN. BUT IF THEY ARE IN THEY SHOULD LIVE AND ABIDE BY THE FAITH AND MORALS OF OUR CHURCH.
[Not only do they leave the church to remarry, they also need to be able to make the right decision to divorce when it’s necessary in order to save themselves and their families before all is destroyed.]
UNFORTUNATELY FOR THEM THE MATTER IS NOT FOR THEM TO DECIDE. IT IS FOR GOD TO DECIDE AND JESUS ALREADY MADE THE DECISION: “NO TO DIVORCE”.
[In order to understand that there IS marriage after divorce, we will examine the Scriptures in Matthew 19:3-12 focusing on the usage of the Greek word, apoluo.]
ONCE AGAIN, THAT IS GOOD. WE WILL BE ABLE TO CHECK IF YOUR CLAIM IS TRULY SUPPORTED BY THE SACRED SCRIPTURE.
SO, YOU HAVE DEPENDED YOUR POSITION ON A SINGLE WORD EH.. HE HE HE… LET ME CHECK ON THAT. HE HE HE…
[The Greek word apoluo that’s translated “divorce” or “to put away” is a general word. Its primary usage is: to “send” (apoluo) someone home when it’s getting late.11 When two people are leaving each other there is a “separation.”]
ReplyDeleteHA HA HA… OBVIOUSLY THIS GUY HAS A VERY SUPERFICIAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE BIBLE AND OF THAT GREEK TERM. IT IS VERY EASY TO FIND IN THE INTERNET NOWADAYS THE BEST BIBLICAL DICTIONARY RESPECTED BY BOTH PROTESTANTS AND CATHOLICS YET HE DECIDED TO CLAIM EXPERTISE ON SOMETHING HE IS OBVIOUSLY IGNORANT OF.
WHERE DID HE GET THE IDEA THAT THE PRIMARY MEANING OF APOLUO IS “TO SEND” SOMEONE HOME WHEN IT’S GETTING LATE? HA HA HA… WELL, LET ME GIVE YOU THE VARIOUS MEANING OF APOLUO ACCORDING THE HIGHLY RESPECTED BIBLE DICTIONARY: - “STRONGS”. HERE IT IS:
G630 Ī±̓ĻĪæĪ»Ļ ́Ļ apoluō ap-ol-oo'-o
From G575 and G3089; to free fully, that is, (literally) relieve, release, dismiss (reflexively depart), or (figuratively) let die, pardon, or (specifically) divorce: - (let) depart, dismiss, divorce, forgive, let go, loose, put (send) away, release, set at liberty.
SEE, THE FIRST MEANING IS: “TO FREE FULLY, TO RELIEVE, TO RELEASE, TO DISMISS…” IS THESE MEANING SIMPLY SENDING ONE HOME. IT IS SETTING FREE, SENDING AWAY.
THEN FIGURATIVELY IT IS EVEN WORSE: “TO LET DIE, TO PARDON, TO DIVORCE. TO LET GO, TO LOOSE, TO PUT AWAY, TO SET AT LIBERTY, TO RELEASE.” AGAIN, NONE OF THESE SIMPLY MEANS SENDING HOME.
HA HA HA… THIS GUY IS MAKING A FOOL OUT OF HIMSELF AND OF OTHERS. BOTH PROTESTANT AND CATHOLIC BIBLE SCHOLARS HAVE TRANSLATED AND INTERPRETED THAT WORD ‘APOLUO’ AS DIVORCE, SETTING FREE, RELEASING, PUTTING AWAY, ETC. HE PROVIDES A SUGAR-COATED MEANING TO THE TERM IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE ITS MEANING TO SUIT HIS HERETICAL STAND IN FAVOR OF DIVORCE.
[Apoluo is a separation in general, which does not involve the “legal” aspect of a permanent separation like a divorce. ]
ReplyDeleteHA HA HA… UNFORTUNATELY FOR YOU THE ENTIRE PERICOPE [MATTHEW 19:3-12] SPEAKS OF DIVORCE IN THE LIGHT OF THE LAW OF MOSES. THAT IS VERY CLEAR:
Mat 19:7 They say to him: Why then did Moses command to give a bill of divorce, and to put away?
SEE, THE TEXT THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED SPEAKS OF THE COMMAND OF MOSES, i.e., THE LAW OF MOSES… IT EVEN REFERRED TO THE BILL OF DIVORCE… TO AN SPECIFIC PROVISIONS OF THE LAW CONCERNING THE LEGAL DISSOLUTION OF MARRIAGE LEGISLATED BY MOSES AS DEMANDED BY THE PEOPLE. THAT IS WHY YOUR DENIAL OF THE LEGAL MEANING OF THE TERM IS OUT OF CONTEXT… OUT OF REALITY. HA HA HA…
[The common usage is seen in the Scripture “When it was evening, His disciples came to Him, saying ‘This is a deserted place, and the hour is already late. SEND (apoluo) the multitudes away, that they may go unto the villages and buy themselves food’” (Matthew 14:15). The Greek word apoluo doesn’t have a legal aspect to it. It’s just a common word that means, “I’m going to go” or, “away from, to separate.” Because of our wrong beliefs about divorce, this key word was purposely translated (incorrectly) so it would not conflict with our beliefs.]
HA HA HA… THE CASE OF MATTHEW 14:15 IS CLEAR THE APOSTLES ARE NOT SPEAKING ABOUT THE SEPARATION OF HUSBAND AND WIFE BUT OF SENDING AWAY THE PEOPLE TO GO HOME. BUT IN MATTHEW 19:3-12 THEY WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT SENDING SOMEONE HOME BUT OF THE PARTICULAR BILL OF DIVORCE WHEREIN THE MAN COULD RELEASE HIS WIFE FROM THEIR MARITAL UNION. HA HA HA… IT IS ILLOGICAL AND UNREASONABLE TO USE THE TRANSLATION DIVORCE IN MT 14:15 AND IT IS STUPID TO CLAIM THAT IN MATTHEW 19:3-12 JESUS AND THE PHARISEES SIMPLY MEANT THE HUSBAND MUST NOT SEND HIS WIFE HOME. HA HA HA…
[When used concerning a marriage it means a separation and NOT a divorce. If a spouse separates intending never to return, then the next step comes into play; the spouse obtains a “certificate of divorce.” This is what the confrontation between Jesus and the Pharisees (the religious lawyers of His day) was about in Matthew 19:3-12.] The legal question was, “Do you just separate, OR do you separate AND give a certificate of divorce?” The Greek word used for divorce in these Scriptures means, to “send away” or separate from, NOT a finalized legal divorce.]
THIS GUY IS OUT OF HIS MIND. HA HA HA… THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE MAN CAN DIVORCE HIS WIFE OR NOT. WHEN JESUS STATED THAT WHAT GOD HAD JOINED MUST NOT BE SEPARATED BY MAN BY WHICH HE REJECTED DIVORCE THE PHARISEES ASKED HIM WHY MOSES PERMITTED DIVORCE. JESUS SAID THAT MOSES ALLOWED IT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WERE HARDHEADED. YOUR CLAIM THAT THE ISSUE IS EITHER TO GET OR NOT TO GET THE CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE IS VERY FUNNY AND PATHETIC. HA HA HA…
[The lawyers of God’s law tested Jesus.]
THE PHARISEES WHO ARE EVIL MINDED PEOPLE TESTED JESUS. IT SO HAPPENED THAT BOTH YOU AND THE PHARIEES ARE IN FAVOR OF DIVORCE WHILE JESUS REJECTED IT. HE HE HE…
[ Their motive was to justify when they only separated from their wives and remarried without ever getting a divorce.]
ReplyDeleteHA HA HA… THIS IS ILLOGICAL AND SIMPLY STUPID. IF THEY ONLY SEPARATED IT MEANS THAT THEY CANNOT REMARRY BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL MARRIED, ONLY SEPARATED. LIKE THE WIFE WHO IS ABROAD AND THE HUSBAND REMAINED IN THE PHILIPPINES, THAT IS SIMPLE SEPARATION. BUT THEY CANNOT REMARRY BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL MARRIED. HA HA HA… THE CASE IS NOT ABOUT SIMPLE SEPARATION BUT DISSOLUTION OF MARRIAGE, SETTING ONE FROM MARITAL OBLIGATION. IT IS A LEGAL MATTER BECAUSE IT MUST BE DONE ACCORDING TO THE LAW OF MOSES.
[ They asked Him if God accepts a separation to get remarried without a divorce certificate for just any reason. Jesus responded that when a male and female come together in a marriage union, “...they are no longer two BUT ONE…” (Matthew 19:6a). Because the couple is still united, He doesn’t want “man” (the marriage partners) to just separate from each other and get remarried without a divorce. A SEPARATION ALONE DOES NOT BREAK THE MARRIAGE UNION. IT TAKES A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE, ALSO. So the question was NOT, “Can a spouse DIVORCE their mate for any reason,” but “Can a spouse get a SEPARATION from their mate for any reason and then remarry while just separated.”]
YOU DEMONICALLY TWISTED THE WORDS OF THE DIVINE MASTER. YOU HAVE TWISTED HIS WORD TO MEAN AS IF HE IS ALLOWING DIVORCE AS LONG AS THERE IS A CERTIFICATE. YOU ARE A LIAR . THERE IS NO SINGLE VERSE THEREIN WHEREIN JESUS SAID THAT DIVORCE IS OK. LET ME CHECK THE TEXT ONE BY ONE:
Mat 19:3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
THE QUESTION IF ITS LAWFUL TO DIVORCE OR DISMISS ONE’S WIFE. THE TERM LAWFUL IMMEDIATELY DISMISSES YOUR EXPLANATION THAT IT IS NOT LEGAL MATTER. IT IS LEGAL. IT IS ABOUT THE DIVORCE LAW OF MOSES.
YOUR CLAIM ABOUT GETTING OR NOT GETTNG CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE IS SIMPLY STUPID AND NON EXISTENT HERE.
Mat 19:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
HERE JESUS REMINDED THEM THAT MARRIAGE COMES FROM GOD WHO CREATED THE MAN AND THE WOMAN. SO MARRIAGE IS FOR MAN AND WOMAN, MALE AND FEMALE.
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
THE MAN AND THE WOMAN MUST LEAVE THEIR FAMILIES TO FORM THEIR OWN AND THEY WILL BECOME ONE FLESH… THEY ARE UNITED BY GOD IN SPIRIT AND IN BODY.
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
THE HUSBAND AND ONE ARE ONE. THEY HAVE A VERY STRONG BOND OF UNITY. AND NO MAN MUST BREAK THAT UNITY. SO, MARRIAGE MUST NOT BE DISSOLVED BY HUMAN AUTHORITY… THIS IS A SLAP AGAINST YOUR ‘CERTIFICATE’ THEORY. HA HA HA..
Mat 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
SINCE JESUS SAID NO TO DIVORCE THE PHARISEES RUN TO THE AUTHORITY OF MOSES TO JUSTIFY THE LAW OF DIVORCE.
Mat 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
JESUS DISMISSED IT. HE TOLD THAT THAT MOSES CONSENTED TO ENACT THE LAW OF DIVORCE BECAUSE HE WAS COERCED BY THE PEOPLE. THEY HAVE HARDENED THEIR HEARTS LIKE YOU AND YOUR COHORTS.
Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
ReplyDeleteTHE MAN WHO PUT AWAY HIS WIFE AND MARRY ANOTHER COMMITS ADULTERY. HA HA HA… IF YOUR MEANING OF APOLUO IS SENDING HOME THEN IT WILL BECOME: “ANY MAN WHO SENDS HIS WIFE HOME AND MARRY ANOTHER COMMITS ADULTERY.” HA HA HA… THAT IS ILLOGICAL AND STUPID. HA HA HA…
LOOK CLOSELY, JESUS REPEATED TWICE THAT THOSE WHO PUT AWAY [DIVORCED] AND REMARRY COMMIT ADULTERY. ISN’T THAT YOUR POSITION… TO ALLOW DIVORCE SO THAT THEY CAN REMARRY? YOUR POSITION IS DEMONIC. IT PROMOTES ADULTERY. IT IS SINFUL AND ANTI-CHRIST.
JESUS PUT IN THE CLAUSE, EXCEPT IN CASE OF FORNICATION… WHY? BECAUSE THE MAN DOESN’T NEED TO PUT AWAY HIS WIFE… THE WIFE ALREADY COMMITTED ADULTERY AND HAD REJECTED HIM. IF THE PARTNER COMMITS FORNICATION THEN IT IS THAT ONE WHO VIOLATES THE SACREDNESS OF MARRIAGE.
[When a husband just leaves his wife for another woman without ever giving her a certificate of divorce, this keeps the wife in limbo. She could not go back to her husband because he doesn’t want her; and she couldn’t “go and become another man’s wife” as Moses commanded because she is not legally divorced (See Deuteronomy 24:1-2). ]
HA HA HA… JESUS MADE OBSOLETE ALREADY THE LAW OF MOSES. THIS LAW CONCERNING CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE IS NO LONGER APPLICABLE TO CHRISTIANS BECAUSE THE LORD JESUS IS HIGHER AND GREATER THAN MOSES. AND JESUS RULED THAT THE MOSAIC LAW ON DIVORCE IS MERE PRODUCT OF PEOPLE’S ARROGANCE AND DEFIANCE AGAINST GOD.
[If she did remarry without a legal divorce, she and the man who married her would be committing adultery. This is why Jesus said, “...whoever separates (apoluo) from his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is [just] separated (apoluo) commits adultery” (Matthew 19:9 My Translation).]
HA HA HA… DIVORCING ONE’S WIFE WITH OR WITHOUT CERTIFICATE IS EVIL AGAINST GOD BECAUSE WHAT GOD HAD JOINED MUST NOT BE PUT ASUNDER… CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE IS PUTTING ASUNDER LEGALLY AND DOCUMENTEDLY WHAT GOD HAD JOINED.
ONLY IDIOTS WILL ACCEPT YOUR EXPLANATIONS. YOU WILL ONLY BE BELIEVABLE IF JESUS SAID: “WHAT GOD HAD JOINED LET NO MAN PUT ASUNDER EXCEPT IF THERE IS CERTIFICATE.” HA HA HA… NO, NO, NO…
[Because the Pharisees’ hearts were so hard “They said to Him [Jesus], ‘WHY then did Moses COMMAND to give a certificate of divorce AND to put her away [separate]?’” (Matthew 19:7).]
ReplyDeleteJESUS ALREADY ANSWERED THAT IN MATTHEW 19:8 THAT IN THE BEGINNING GOD DIDN’T GIVE A LAW ON DIVORCE, NONE AT ALL. SO, THAT LAW OF MOSES CONCERNING THE BILL OF DIVORCE AS STATED IN DEUT. 24:1 IS NO LONGER VALID TODAY. JESUS REINSTATED THE ORIGINAL STATE OF MARRIAGE WHEN THERE WAS NO DIVORCE AT ALL. SO YOUR CERTIFICATE THEORY IS PATHETIC AT BEST.
[They agreed with the part of the law that said that you could leave your wife, but they didn’t understand that it was not right to keep their wives from getting remarried. A spouse with a hardened heart will not give the other spouse a divorce. They will want to control the person. A person who truly loves unconditionally will always give you a way out: an option not to love.]
THAT IS NOT LOVE. THAT IS FREE WAY TO SIN AND DAMNATION. THAT IS A FREE HAND TO COUNTLESS ACTS OF ADULTERY. THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE AND REJECTED BY THE LORD JESUS.
[So it is with God; He always gives us the choice to not love Him. As we choose to love Him, it’s true love. At times the reason a marriage isn’t a truly unconditional loving marriage is because the partners feel that there is never a way out, if needed. If the marriage partners knew that there was a godly way to escape from a failing marriage it would give the couple the freedom to “choose to love,” even when it’s not convenient.]
YOU ARE A FOOL. JESUS ALREADY STATED THAT IN THE BEGINNING THERE WAS NO DIVORCE . GOD DIDN’T ALLOW DIVORCE. IT WAS ONLY MOSES WHO AUTHORIZED IT AFTER HE WAS COERCED BY THE INSISTENCE OF THE PEOPLE. BUT JESUS ONCE AGAIN REJECTED DIVORCE. DIVORCE IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO CHRISTIAN FAITH AND MORALITY.
[Jesus said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, PERMITTED you to divorce [separate from] your wives, but from the beginning IT [being separated without a divorce] WAS NOT SO” (Matthew 19:8).]
GOD CREATED MARRIAGE WITHOUT DIVORCE IN THE ORIGINAL STATE. DIVORCE EXISTED ONLY DURING THE TIME OF MOSES.
[ Notice in verse seven that Moses COMMANDED them to give a certificate of divorce AND to separate (put away) their wives. But in verse eight, because their hearts were so hardened against their spouse, Moses PERMITTED them to just separate without the husband giving the wife a certificate of divorce. The reason Moses commanded that a certificate of divorce be given was to guarantee that the wife could get remarried. Simply, Moses commanded to give a certificate of divorce AND to separate. But because of the hardness of their hearts, Moses permitted them to separate only. The permission to separate and remarry without a divorce was limited to sexual immorality. If the wife was unfaithful, the husband could leave without ever being “officially divorced” — by giving her a certificate of divorcement, and go take another woman as his wife. But if there was no sexual immorality involved, the husband could NOT separate from his wife without getting a divorce first. If he didn’t get a divorce and went to live with another woman or got remarried, they were committing adultery.]
THE COMMAND OF MOSES IS NOT THE COMMAND OF GOD. MOSES GAVE IN TO THE DEMAND AND COMMAND OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE EVIL LIKE YOU. THEY WANTED DIVORCE AND MOSES GAVE IN. BUT JESUS DIDN’T GIVE IN. HE REJECTED DIVORCE. HE SAID THAT GOD DIDN’T PLAN DIVORCE FOR MARRIED COUPLE IN ITS ORIGINAL STATE. JESUS RESTORED THAT ORIGINAL STATE. THAT IS WHY YOUR POSITION IS PHARISAICAL.
[“Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be loosed [for selfish reasons]. Are you loosed [divorced] from a wife? [In my opinion says Paul, the Apostle] do not seek a wife. BUT EVEN IF YOU DO MARRY, YOU HAVE NOT SINNED; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned” (1Corinthians 7:26-28a). Notice that the “virgin” AND the person “loosed [divorced]” are both put in the same category — they have “not sinned” by getting married. BOTH THE PERSON WHO WAS NEVER MARRIED AND THE PERSON WHO WAS DIVORCED ARE WITHOUT SIN IF THEY MARRY.]
ReplyDeleteLIAR, LIAR, LIAR. ST. PAUL SPEAKS OF VIRGINS LIKE HIM BECAUSE ST. PAUL DIDN’T GET MARRIED. AND HE ALSO SPOKE ABOUT GETTING MARRIED. BUT, ST. PAUL NEVER NEVER NEVER TAUGHT THAT MARRIED COUPLES COULD DIVORCE. NO, NO NO…. NADA, NUNCA, NEVER. IN RUSSIAN: NYET, NYET. HA HA HA…
ST. PAUL DIDN’T SAY: “BE A VIRGIN, OR GET MARRIED, ONCE MARRIED YOU CAN DIVORCE AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THE CERTIFICATE.” HA HA HA… NO, NO, NO…. SORRY FOR YOU. HA HA HA…
[Deuteronomy 24:1-4 tells of a situation where a man married a woman and then divorced her. This woman then married another man. The Scriptures go on to state that if the second marriage ends by her husband writing “...her a certificate of divorce ...OR if the latter husband dies…” (Deuteronomy 24:3,4), ]
WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THAT LAW. THE LAW OF MOSES IS NO LONGER BINDING FOR US. WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE LAW OF MOSES BUT UNDER THE LAW OF CHRIST: “THOSE WHOM GOD HAD JOINED TOGETHER LET NO MAN PUT ASUNDER.” YOU DEVIL, THOSE WHO MADE YOUR CERTICATES OF DIVORCE ARE HUMAN BEINGS. THEY HAVE VIOLATED THE WORD OF GOD.
[she could not remarry the first man she divorced because she had already married someone else. Therefore, if our spouse dies, or if we were divorced, we can get married again. Divorce and death are equal before God.]
DIVORCE AND DEATH ARE NOT EQUAL IN THE EYES OF GOD. DEATH IS GIVEN BY GOD AS THE OWNER OF LIFE. DIVORCE IS AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD AS DEFINITELY GIVEN BY JESUS CHRIST WHO IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.
[The only stipulation in this Scripture is that if this is the second marriage, we cannot go back to the first spouse and remarry them because we married someone else after we divorced them.]
DIVORCE IS EVIL. WHAT GOD HAD JOINED LET NO MAN PUT ASUNDER. DIVORCE IS AGAINST THE WILL OF GOD. NO AUTHORITY ON EARTH CAN GRANT DIVORCE AGAINST THE UNION BLESSED BY GOD. YOUR TEACHING IS DEMONIC AND SATANIC.
[The Hebrew word: shalach is the equivalent of the Greek word: apoluo.]
IN FILIPINO WE HAVE AN APPROPRIATE TERM FOR THE LIKE OF YOU: “LUCO-LUCO”!!! HA HA HA…