Pope St. Pius X never tolerated disobedience to the Pope
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The Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi, S.J., has dismissed the
recent ordination of 20 priests by the Society of Saint Pius X as
illegitimate.
“As long as the Society does not have a canonical
status in the Church - Benedict XVI underlines - its ministers do not
exercise legitimate ministries in the Church,” said Father Lombardi in
response to a question from CNA at a July 5 media conference.
Fr. Lombardi said that the Society’s canonical status will not be resolved “until the doctrinal questions are clarified.”
The
Society of Saint Pius X is a traditionalist group founded in 1970 by
the Frenchman Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. Their relationship with the
Vatican soured in 1988 when Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated four bishops
against the orders of Pope John Paul II. It was an act deemed to be
schismatic by the Vatican.
While the excommunication of the four
bishops was lifted by Pope Benedict XVI in 2009, the Society still has
not fully resolved doctrinal disagreements with the Catholic Church,
which are mainly tied to the Second Vatican Council.
Over the past two weeks, the Society has ordained priests in ceremonies in Switzerland, Germany and the United States. The latter ordinations took place on June 17 at the group’s seminary in Winona, Minn. and were conducted by the St. Pius X’s Superior General, Bishop Bernard Fellay. He used his homily to accuse the Vatican of lacking unity and consistency in negotiations with the Society.
Over the past two weeks, the Society has ordained priests in ceremonies in Switzerland, Germany and the United States. The latter ordinations took place on June 17 at the group’s seminary in Winona, Minn. and were conducted by the St. Pius X’s Superior General, Bishop Bernard Fellay. He used his homily to accuse the Vatican of lacking unity and consistency in negotiations with the Society.
“When I speak of
contradiction, my dear brethren, I mean that certain people in Rome
consider us as being outside the Church, excommunicated, and even as
having lost the Faith and being heretics. But there are others who very
clearly accept us as Catholics,” he told the congregation gathered for
the ordination of five priests.
“When Bishop de Galarreta (a Pius
X bishop) and our priests go to Rome for the doctrinal discussions,
they say Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica. How can you have both attitudes
at the same time? Do you see how strong this contradiction is?”
Pope
Benedict has been eager to heal the rift between the Pius X Society and
the Church. In 2007 he made it easier to celebrate Mass according to
the older Tridentine rite, saying he hoped it would lead to “an interior
reconciliation in the heart of the Church.” But today’s developments
won’t make that reconciliation any easier to achieve.
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SSPX ORDINATIONS ILLIGITIMATE!
ReplyDeleteWrong Spelling!!!Hahaha..It should be Illegitimate not Illigitimate.
Check your spelling or better to go back to Grade One or attend again a Seminary who still teach Thomistic philosophy..haha
Hello po Fr. Abe, good morning.
ReplyDeleteNa confuse lang po ako sa Genesis in chapter 3 Father. Masyadong malalim ang kanyang mga sinabi dito para sa akin Father. Hindi ko masyadong na intindihan ang ibig sabihin ng mga sinabi ng ating Panginoon.
Genesis 3:14-15
(14) Then the Lord God said to the snake, "You will be punished for this; you alone of all the animals must bear this curse: from now on you will crawl on your belly, and you will have to eat dust as long as you live.
(15) I will make you and the woman hate each other; her offspring and yours will always be enemies. Her offspring will crush your head, and you will bite her offspring's heel.
In verse 14, God punished the snake "will crawl on your belly" and "eat dust", we know naman po na ang snake ay gumagapang talaga kung sila ay lalakad. At hindi naman sila kumakain ng "dust" eh kundi mga karne ng mga hayop.
My questions for verse 14:
1. Bakit pinarusahan ng Panginoon ang snake na gagapang siya gamit ang kanyang tiyan eh sa natural po ay gumagapang naman talaga ang snake? Ano po ibig sabihin nito "you will crawl on your belly"?
2. At ano po ibig sabihin ng "you will have to eat dust"?
My question in verse 15:
1. Ano po ibig sabihin ng verse 15?
Thanks po Father Abe and God bless you po.
[My questions for verse 14:
ReplyDelete1. Bakit pinarusahan ng Panginoon ang snake na gagapang siya gamit ang kanyang tiyan eh sa natural po ay gumagapang naman talaga ang snake?]
HA HA HA... SHENGTON PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THE BIBLE HAS A LITERAL MEANING AND SPIRITUAL OR THEOLOGICAL MEANING. YOU ONLY LOOKED AT IT IN A LITERAL SENSE. WHICH IS NOT ACTUALLY PROPER BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW FROM CHILDHOOD THAT THE ONE BEING REFERRED TO HERE IS NOT THE LITERAL SNAKES BUT SATAN THE TEMPTER OF MAN.
ANG SNAKES NA ANIMALS AY CREATURES OF GOD. SILA AY NILIKHA NG DIOS AT BAHAGI NG NATURAL ORDER AND BY NATURE TALAGANG GINAWA SILA NG DIOS NA GUMAGAPANG. KAYA IF YOU WILL LIMIT YOUR UNDERSTANDING SA LITERAL MEANING TALAGANG IT DOES NOT JIBE. BUT AS I'VE SAID THE SNAKE IS A MERE REPRESENTATION OF THE SPIRITUAL MEANING OF THE TEXTS. THAT SIN ENTERED INTO THE WORLD BECAUSE OUR FIRST PARENTS WERE TEMPTED BY SATAN.
IN OTHER PARTS OF THE BIBLE, INSTEAD OF A SNAKE THE TERM USED IS 'DRAGON':
Rev 12:9 At inihagis ang malaking dragon, ang matandang ahas, ang tinatawag na Diablo at Satanas, ang dumadaya sa buong sanglibutan; siya'y inihagis sa lupa, at ang kaniyang mga anghel ay inihagis na kasama niya.
AT SA HALIP NA PARUSA NG PAGGAPANG, PARUSA NG PAGKAKATAPON MULA SA LANGIT ANG SINABI. IBIG SABIHIN YUNG 'CRAWLING' SIGNIFIES THAT SATAN WAS GREATLY HUMILIATED BY GOD FROM A LOFTY POSITION TO A VERY LOW STATE. IN THEOLOGY, FROM BEING A GOOD ANGEL HE BECAME A DEVIL THE LOWEST AND THE WORST OF THE OUTCASTS:
Isaiah 14:12 Ano't nahulog ka mula sa langit, Oh tala sa umaga, anak ng umaga! paanong ikaw ay lumagpak sa lupa, ikaw na siyang nagpahina sa mga bansa!
Isaiah 14:13 At sinabi mo sa iyong sarili, Ako'y sasampa sa langit, aking itataas ang aking luklukan sa itaas ng mga bituin ng Dios; at ako'y uupo sa bundok ng kapisanan, sa mga kaduluduluhang bahagi ng hilagaan:
Isaiah 14:14 Ako'y sasampa sa itaas ng mga kaitaasan ng mga alapaap; ako'y magiging gaya ng Kataastaasan.
Good day our beloved Fr. Abe.
ReplyDeleteFather, may tanong lang po ako. Meron kaseng Saksi ni Baho na laging pumupunta sa amin. Isa sa mga nabanggit nilang turo ay eto. Pinahintulutan daw ng Diyos na si Satanas ang maghari sa mundo. or Si Satanas daw ang nag mamay ari ng mundo kase nung tinukso daw ni Satanas si Hesus sa taas ng bundok e sinabi ni Satanas na sambahin mo lang ako e ibibigay ko sa iyo ang LAHAT ng kaharian na nakikita mo or nasa ibabaw ng mundo.
Hindi daw kase pwedeng mag bigay si Satanas kung hindi sa kanya ang ibibigay.
Pano po eto sasagutin? Alam kung mali eto pero pakipaliwanag po ng masupalpal ko etong Saksi ni Baho na eto.
fr. wrong ata post nyo :D
ReplyDeleteAno po ibig sabihin nito "you will crawl on your belly"?
ReplyDeleteIN OUR MODERN EXPRESSION IT MEANS SATAN WAS "HUMBLED TO THE GROUND". IBINABA AT PINAHIYA SIYA NG DIOS. TULAD NG TAKSIL NA MANAGER NA BIGLANG GINAWANG JANITOR O ALIPIN.
ANG PHRASE NA "HUMBLED TO THE GROUND" AY COMMON EXPRESSIONS GIVEN TO PERSONS WHO WERE BROUGHT LOW OR GREATLY HUMILIATED FROM LOFTY STATUS TO THE LOWEST STATUS, FOR INSTANCE, THE RICH PEOPLE WHOSE ATTITUDES WERE SO UNCHARITABLE THEN WHEN THEY SUDDENLY LOST THEIR POWER, INFLUENCE AND RICHNESS THEN WE SAY THEY ARE BROUGHT TO THE GROUND.
[2. At ano po ibig sabihin ng "you will have to eat dust"?]
IT MEANS HE IS LOWER THAN DOGS OR ANIMALS. SATAN IS BROUGHT SO LOW THAT HE LOST ANY HONOR, DIGNITY AND PRESTIGE. EVEN OUR DOGS AND THE BEASTS OF THE FIELDS ARE EATING MEAT OR VEGETABLES OR HERBS. TO EAT DUST MEANS THAT PERSON HAS BECOME SO LOW AND VALUELESS. SA MODERN EXPRESSIONS NATIN SA FILIPINO: "YAGIT NA YAGIT, NANLILIMAHID SA DUMII."
SA SPORTS PAGSINABING "PINAKAIN NAMIN NG ALIKABOK ANG KALABAN" IT MEANS KULELAT NA KULELAT. BUGBOG SARADO. TAMBAK ANG LAMANG. SATAN WAS LIKE THAT IN FRONT OF GOD.
My question in verse 15:
1. Ano po ibig sabihin ng verse 15?
ANG GEN. 3:15 AY NAPAKA HALAGA SA BIBLIA. ANG TAWAG DIYAN NG BOTH CATHOLIC AND PROTESTANT BIBLE SCHOLARS AY "PROTO-EVANGELION" IBIG SABIHIN THE FIRST GOOD NEWS... THE FIRST ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE COMING OF THE MESSIAH, REDEEMER AND SAVIOR. THE FIRST DECLARATION MADE BY GOD THE FATHER HIMSELF THAT SATAN SHALL BE DEFEATED TOTALLY... TO BE CRUSHED RIGHT ON THE HEAD.
THIS IS MONOLOGUE OF GOD THE FATHER TALKING TO SATAN:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
THE FATHER TOLD SATAN THAT THERE WILL BE A 'WOMAN' WHO WILL BE IN ENMITY WITH SATAN. THIS WOMAN IS NOT EVE BECAUSE EVE BECAME A FOLLOWER OF SATAN. BUT THE WOMAN SHALL BE IN ENMITY. IN TAGALOG: "PAG-AALITIN KO IKAW AT ANG BABAE." SO THIS WOMAN WILL BE AN ENEMY OF SATAN.
NOW WHO IS THE WOMAN?
THE VERSE GAVE A HINT OF HER IDENTITY. THE SEED OF THE WOMAN SHALL CRUSH THE HEAD OF THE SERPENT. CLEARLY IT REFERS TO THE SON OF THE WOMAN WHO WILL DEFEAT SATAN.
WE ALL KNOW THAT THE ONLY ONE WHO DEFEATED COMPLETELY BY DESTROYING HIS HEAD [SIN AND DEATH] IS THE LORD JESUS CHRIST - THE KING OF KINGS AND THE LORD OF LORDS. AND WHO IS THE MOTHER OF JESUS? OF COURSE ITS THE VIRGIN MARY.
WHY SEED OF THE WOMAN? BECAUSE DURING THAT TIME THERE WAS NO MICROSCOPE YET. PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW YET THE EGG CELLS. THEY ONLY KNOW OF THE SPERM CELLS BECAUSE THE MAN RELEASES IT INTO THE WOMB OF THE WOMAN. NOW, SINCE JESUS IS BORN NOT DUE TO THE SPERM CELL OF A MAN SO HE IS THE SEED OF A WOMAN [cf. Isaiah 7:14/Matthew 1:23/Luke 1:26-27,31-32]. BECAUSE MARY CONCEIVED JESUS AS VIRGIN AND SHE GAVE BIRTH TO JESUS AS VIRGIN AS WELL.
SO THE TEXT REFERS TO:
ReplyDelete1. JESUS AS THE DESTROYER OF SATAN, THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR OF THE WORLD.
2. MARY THE MOTHER OF THE SAVIOR.
(a) SHE IS PART OF GOD'S PLAN OF SALVATION BECAUSE SHE IS INCLUDED IN THE PLAN BY GOD THE FATHER AS THE PRIMARY INSTRUMENT OF GOD FOR THE COMING OF THE MESSIAH. THEN,
(b) MARY IS AN ENEMY OF SATAN. THUS, SINCE EVE THE FIRST WOMAN WAS A TRAITOR WHO BECAME A DISOBEDIENT CREATURE OF GOD AND FOLLOWER OF SATAN BY TEMPTATION, MARY THE WOMAN-MOTHER OF THE MESSIAH SHALL BE AN ENEMY OF SATAN. THUS, SHE IS IMMACULATE. SHE IS AN ENEMY OF SIN AND WILL NOT FALL INTO THE TRAPS, DECEPTIONS AND TEMPTATIONS OF SATAN BECAUSE GOD THE FATHER HIMSELF ALREADY DECLARED THAT SHE IS AN ENEMY OF SATAN: "Kayo ng Babae'y LAGING MAG-AAWAY" [Mabuting Balita Biblia].
IN OUR THEOLOGY WE CALL MARY IMMACULATE OR SINLESS BECAUSE ANYONE WHO SIN BECOMES A FOLLOWER OF SATAN AND SHE WILL CEASE TO BE AN ENEMY OF SATAN. THIS CANNOT BE BECAUSE OF THE WORDS OF GOD THE FATHER. IT CANNOT BE BROKEN.
(c) MARY IS THE NEW EVE OR THE NEW WOMAN. THE FIRST WOMAN [EVE] BECAME A TRAITOR TO GOD. THE NEW WOMAN... THE SECOND WOMAN WHOM GOD THE FATHER CALLED WOMAN IS THE MOTHER OF THE SAVIOR. AS CHRIST IS THE NEW ADAM [cf. 1 Corinthians 15:45/ 1 Cor 15:22/ Rom 5:12-13] SO GOD THE FATHER BY THIS PRONOUNCEMENT MADE MARY THE NEW EVE, THE NEW WOMAN. THAT TIME ONLY EVE WAS THE EXISTING WOMAN BUT GOD THE FATHER CALLED 'WOMAN' THE COMING MOTHER OF JESUS. SO MARY IS THE NEW WOMAN, THE NEW EVE.
Thanks po Father Abe and God bless you po.
WELCOME.
IF YOU WANT MORE DISCUSSIONS AND MY DEBATES OR EXCHANGES ON GEN. 3:15 PLEASE READ THIS:
http://thesplendorofthechurch.blogspot.com/search/label/Gen%203%3A15
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ReplyDeletefr. wrong ata post nyo :D]
HINDI. TALAGANG DITO NILAGAY NUNG NAGTATANONG ANG MESSAGE NIYA. BUT I ALSO POSTED IT IN THE MAIN WALL.
[Hindi daw kase pwedeng mag bigay si Satanas kung hindi sa kanya ang ibibigay.]
ReplyDeleteIYAN ANG PATUNAY NA ANG MGA SAKSI NI BAHO AY KAMPON NG DIABLO KASI NALOKO NA SILA NG PANLILINLANG NG DIABLO. ITO ANG BASAHIN MO SA KANILA:
John 8:44 Kayo'y sa inyong amang diablo, at ang mga nais ng inyong ama ang ibig ninyong gawin. Siya'y isang mamamatay-tao buhat pa nang una, at hindi nananatili sa katotohanan, sapagka't walang katotohanan sa kaniya. Pagka nagsasalita siya ng kasinungalingan, ay nagsasalita siya ng sa ganang kaniya: sapagka't siya'y isang sinungaling, at ama nito.
ANG DIABLO AY PINAKA SINUNGALING. KAYA SI CRISTO AY HINDI NAGPALOKO SA KANYA. SUBALIT ANG MGA SAKSI NI BAHO E NANIWALA AGAD DUON SA CLAIMS NG DIABLO. ANO SILA NGAYON NG DIABLO? BELIEVERS OF THE DEVIL..
BETTER BE WRONG IN SPELLING THAN BE WRONG IN DOCTRINES. THE SSPX DOCTRINES ARE DEMONIC. THE SSPX IS SCHISMATIC AND HERETICAL. THEY ARE DISOBEDIENT FOOLS.
ReplyDeleteWrong Spelling!!!Hahaha..It should be Illegitimate not Illigitimate.
ReplyDeleteCheck your spelling or better to go back to Grade One or attend again a Seminary who still teach Thomistic philosophy..haha --Anonymous
AYUN! NAGBABASA PA PALA ANG WALANGHIYA! AT MUKHANG DI NA KAYANG IPAGTANGGOL ANG KADEMONYOHAN NG SSPX KAYA SA SPELLING N LANG BUMIRA!!! HAHAHA! ANG BABAW MO BATA!
EVEN DEMONS ARE READING THIS BLOG BRO. ERNIE. HE HE HE...
ReplyDeleteFather, what if the SSPX reestablishes full communion with the Catholic Church, will their ordinations be valid or do they have to be ordained again? Thanks and God bless. May this schism end.
ReplyDeleteI LEAVE THAT TO THE HOLY SEE TO DECIDE.
ReplyDeleteI DON'T THINK IT WILL END BECAUSE THE SSPX ARE ALREADY HARDENED. THEY REALLY HAVE NO INTENTION TO RESTORE FULL COMMUNION. THEY ARE ALREADY LIKE PROTESTANTS.
You most likely are right…the SSPX have already hardened their hearts. It is just another group of people who wish to be their own pope in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteI have been conversing with a SSPX family who could attend a legitimate Traditional Mass but instead travel miles to attend the SSPX Mass. They say their Pope is Pope Pius X and have given me newspapers, ‘Catholic Family News’, and booklets called ‘Fatima Crusader’ which are owned by Fr. Gruner, a disobedient priest who was called back to Italy but refuses to go. In these media they deride Blessed John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI.
I have sent them this …this was written by Pope Pius X in 1912: "How ought the Pope to be loved? "Not in word, nor in tongue, but in deed, and in truth." (1 John 3:18). When one loves a person, one seeks to conform in all respects to his thoughts, to carry out his commands, to anticipate his desires. And if our Lord Jesus Christ said of Himself: "If any one love me, he will keep my word" (John 14:23), even so to demonstrate our love for the Pope, it is necessary to obey Him. Hence, if one loves the Pope, one does not raise discussions as to what he ordains or demands, or as to how far obedience must go ¬ and in what things obedience is due; when one loves the Pope, one does not say that he has not spoken with sufficient clearness, as if he were obliged to repeat to the ear of each person that desire which has been expressed clearly, so many times, not by word of mouth only but by letters and other public documents; one does not call in question his orders, by resorting to the facile pretext of those who do not wish to obey, that it is not the Pope who commands, but those who surround him; one does not oppose to the authority of the Pope that of other persons however learned who dissent from the Pope, since these if they are learned are not holy, for those who are holy cannot dissent from the Pope."
They won't even listen to Pope Pius X!
WELL SAID CATHOLIC MOM. GOD BLESS YOU.
ReplyDeleteillicit but valid, not illimitable...and I say non sense to rome.
ReplyDeleteI don't believe that the ordination of the SSPX is invalid. First of all, you have to know FR. Abe that ordination is only a later development in the church. Hans Kung would even say that, "There appears to have been no ordination in the Pauline communities; there have been no mention anywhere in Paul's letters of laying on of hands." One thing more when we speak of Apostolic Succession it is not transmitted by imposition of hands in purely juridical and formal manner. Primarily it is a succession of apostolic faith. Remember too that when we speak of the apostolicity of ministry, it demands apostolicity of doctrine, the faith, the call of Christ, the conferring of a charisma of the Holy Spirit for the service of the community. All these are preliminary conditions for the effectiveness of the rite of imposition of hands.
ReplyDeleteApostolic succession is not also restricted to hierarchical succession in the Church but an attribute of the whole Church deriving from the universal mission of all baptized Christians i.e. it is not few individuals who succeeded the Apostles but the whole Church.
Apostolic Succession is, therefore, primarily a succession in apostolic life, faith service. All of these are present in most Christian denominations. Kaya po, sana huwag nyo sarilihin ang apostolic succession. At para patas po ay i-approve nyo lahat ng comments para mabasa din po ng inyong mga ibang mambabasa ang kanilang saloobin.
AND I SAY NON SENSE TO THE SSPX - THE HARLOT OF ECONE, SWITZERLAND.
ReplyDeleteTHE MASS OF SSPX IS ILLICIT. THE MASS OF THE ORTHODOX CHURCHES ARE ALSO VALID SO THE SSPX AND THE ORTHODOX ARE ON THE SAME LEVEL.
[I don't believe that the ordination of the SSPX is invalid.]
ReplyDeleteYOU ARE OUT OF THE TOPIC. THE ISSUE RAISED IS THAT THE ORDINATIONS WERE ILLIGITIMATE WHICH MEANS ILLICIT OR ILLEGAL OR UNCANONICAL. IT FURTHER MEANS THAT IT IS DONE WITHOUT APPROVAL OF THE CHURCH.
[First of all, you have to know FR. Abe that ordination is only a later development in the church.]
REALLY? THAT HERESY IS RECENTLY INVENTED. HA HA HA...
[Hans Kung would even say that, "There appears to have been no ordination in the Pauline communities; there have been no mention anywhere in Paul's letters of laying on of hands."]
I DO NOT RECOGNIZE THE AUTHORITY OF THAT THEOLOGICAL MONKEY. HANS KUNG WHO? NEVER MIND. OUR POPE IS BENEDICT XVI AND NOT THAT WACKY OLD FOOL.
CONCERNING ORDINATIONS TO THE PRIESTHOOD HANS KUNG IS IGNORANT OF THE FACT THAT IT ORIGINATED NOT IN THE PAULINE COMMUNITES BUT IN THE DIVINE WORSHIP OF THE PEOPLE OF GOD IN THE OLD TESTAMENT AS IN THE CASE OF MELCHIZEDEK IN THE BOOK OF GENESIS AND GOD THE FATHER EXPLICITLY MADE IT AN 'OFFICE' OF HIS 'MINISTERS' IN THE EXODUS WORHIP UNTIL THE TEMPLE WORSHIP:
Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek, who was king of Salem and also a priest of the Most High God, brought bread and wine to Abram,
FROM THE EARLIEST LIFE OF THE PEOPLE OF GOD THERE IS A PRIESTHOOD WHICH IS FURTHER CLARIFIED AND ESTABLISHED BY GOD THE FATHER:
Ex 28:1 Take unto thee also Aaron thy brother with his sons, from among the children of Israel, that they may MINISTER to me in the PRIST'S OFFICE: Aaron, Nadab, and Abiu, Eleazar, and Ithamar. [Douay-Rheims Bible]
GOD THE FATHER ESTABLISHED A PRIESTLY OFFICE EXCLUSIVE FOR MALES WHO WILL MINISTER IN HIS SANCTUARY. THE RECEPTION INTO THE PRIESTHOOD IS MANIFESTED BY 'CONSECRATION' WHICH IS DONE DURING ORDINATIONS OF PRIESTS:
Ex 28:41 And with all these things thou shalt vest Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him. And thou shalt CONSECRATE THE HANDS OF THEM ALL, and shalt SANCTIFY THEM, that they may do THE OFFICE OF PRIESTHOOD unto me.
SEE, IT WAS GOD THE FATHER WHO STARTED THE LITURGY OF CONSECRATION OF PRIESTS BY ANOINTING THEIR HANDS WITH OIL by which they were sanctified and they can minister in the OFFICE OF PRIESTHOOD.
[One thing more when we speak of Apostolic Succession it is not transmitted by imposition of hands in purely juridical and formal manner.]
IT IS FORMAL AND JURIDICAL... WHEN JESUS CALLED THE APOSTLES: "COME FOLLOW ME" THAT WAS FORMAL AND JURIDICAL. IT WAS DIVINE AUTHORITY COMMANDING AND THEN THE PERSON RESPONDING... IT WAS THE LAWGIVER GIVING THE ORDER AND THUS IT CALLED 'ORDINATION':
Titus 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ORDAIN ELDERS in every city, as I had appointed thee... [KJV]
IN CATHOLIC TRANSLATION:
Titus 1:5 For this cause I left thee in Crete: that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting and shouldest ORDAIN PRIESTS in every city, as I also appointed thee [DOUAY-RHEIMS]
THE TERM ORDINATION REFERS PRIMARILY TO GOD'S CALL TO SPECIAL PERSONS IN THE CHURCH TO SERVE AS HIS MINISTERS. AND THIS SPECIAL CALLING IS VERY VERY ANCIENT IN THE LIFE OF THE CHURCH, NOT ONLY THE CHURCH OF THE NEW TESTAMENT BUT ALSO THE PEOPLE OF GOD IN THE OLD TESTAMENT WHICH IS THE CHURCH OF THE FIRST BORN [cf. Hebrews 12:23]
[Primarily it is a succession of apostolic faith.]
ReplyDeletePRIMARILY IT IS THE BESTOWAL OF THE AUTHORITY OF CHRIST GIVEN TO CHOSEN MEN WHO WILL SERVE AS MINISTERS OF CHRIST AND OF THE CHURCH. IT IS AUTHORITY AND SERVICE FOR THE EDIFICATION OF CHURCH AND THE PRESERVATION OF THE FAITH FROM ONE GENERATION TO THE OTHER. IT IS ALSO A GIFT OF CHRIST TO THE CHURCH TO ENSURE THAT THE EUCHARISTIC SACRIFICE WILL CONTINUE BEING OFFERED FOR THE SANCTIFICATION OF THE WORLD.
[Remember too that when we speak of the apostolicity of ministry, it demands apostolicity of doctrine, the faith, the call of Christ, the conferring of a charisma of the Holy Spirit for the service of the community.]
OF COURSE, THE DOCTRINE OF THE SSPX IS NO LONGER APOSTOLIC INSTEAD THEY DESTROYED THE FAITH BY ABANDONING IT.
[ All these are preliminary conditions for the effectiveness of the rite of imposition of hands.]
ON THE PART OF GOD IT IS GRACE BY WHICH HE CHOOSES PARTICULAR PERSONS TO PRIESTHOOD AND ON THE PART OF THE CANDIDATE IT IS FAITH BY WHICH HE RESPONDED TO THE CALL OF GOD AND BASED ON THE SAME FAITH HE WILL WORK ARDENTLY AND FAITHFULLY FOR THE PRESERVATION AND PROPAGATION OF THE FAITH. OF COURSE, FAITH IS NECESSARY FOR THE IMPOSITION OF THE HANDS. AN ATHEIST WILL NEVER BE ORDAINED AS LONG AS IT IS EVIDENT THAT HE DENIES THE FAITH.
[Apostolic succession is not also restricted to hierarchical succession in the Church but an attribute of the whole Church deriving from the universal mission of all baptized Christians i.e. it is not few individuals who succeeded the Apostles but the whole Church.]
APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION IS NOT RESTRICTED TO HIERARCHICAL SUCCESSION IN THE CHURCH BUT IT CANNOT DISCARD THE PRESENCE OF THE HIERARCHY OF BISHOPS, PRIESTS AND DEACONS WHOSE PRESENCE IS ROOTED IN THE VERY NATURE OF THE CHURCH.
[Apostolic Succession is, therefore, primarily a succession in apostolic life, faith service. All of these are present in most Christian denominations.]
APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION IS PRIMARILY THE CONTINUATION OF THE OFFICE OF BISHOPS, PRESBYTERS AND DEACONS IN THE CHURCH AS WILLED BY CHRIST AND PROMPTED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT DURING THE TIME OF THE APOSTLES. WITHOUT THE PRESENCE OF THESE MINISTERS IN THE CHURCH THERE IS NO APOSTOLIC LIFE TO TALK TO AND THAT IS WHY THERE IS NO APOSTOLIC LIFE IN MOST CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS AND SECTS EXISTING.
STOP YOUR HALLUCINATIONS THAT YOU HAVE APOSTOLIC LIFE. YOURS IS A BASTARDIZED DENOMINATIONS BEREFT OF THE HIERARCHY PRESENT DURING THE APOSTOLIC LIFE.
[ Kaya po, sana huwag nyo sarilihin ang apostolic succession.]
WE ARE NOT CLAIMING IT FOR OURSELVES INSTEAD YOU HAVE DENIED AND ABANDONED APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE IT. BY REJECTING THE HIERARCHY YOU HAVE MADE YOUR DOCTRINE AND PRACTICE OF APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION BEREFT OF MEANING AND EMPTY IN REALITY.
[At para patas po ay i-approve nyo lahat ng comments para mabasa din po ng inyong mga ibang mambabasa ang kanilang saloobin.]
THIS ONE IS APPROVED AND I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY WITH THAT.