Sts. Timothy and Titus
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padre hindi pa po nasasagot ang aking katanungan.. maaari po bang
pakisagot ng malinaw.. kindly explain to us what is apostolic succession
biblical, theological, and historical.. salamat po.... ang pagkakaalam
ko kasi ang apostolic succesion ay hindi mismo galing kay christ, it's
from the apostle although Christ handed down the mission but it is not
christ who give apostolic succesion its the apostle Themselves.
Apostolic succesion is a succession of apostolic faith, apostolic
service and apostolic life and even the believers have apostolic
succesion how come that you are telling such as this. are you a
professor of theology? are you a teacher? are you an apostle to tell
such lies to christian? Christ handed down to us the mission to proclaim
the kingdom of God and the reign of God. not to destroy the unity that
Christ have been telling us a thousand years ago. in the time of Paul,
the pauline church system is charismatic. but there is no data of
validity and invalid succession. we christians take note father "WE
CHRISTIANS" not only the RC is Christians, did the bible of yours
telling that there is an invalid ordination or invalid apostolic
succession. there is not right? before you question other religions or
sect or before you judge others, you must research further.. thanks
father..
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Fr. Abe, CRS said...
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[padre hindi pa po nasasagot ang aking katanungan.. maaari po bang pakisagot ng malinaw..]
IT IS ALREADY ANSWERED. IT SO HAPPENED THAT IT DOES NOT CONFORM TO WHAT YOU WANT O READ SO THAT YOU ARE IN A STATE OF DENIAL. HE HE HE... YOU ARE FREE TO WAIT TILL KINGDOM COME LIKE THOSE WHO ARE STILL WAITING FOR THEIR MESSIAH. HA HA HA...
[kindly explain to us what is apostolic succession biblical, theological, and historical.. salamat po....]
I ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT IF YOU WANT SUCH YOU SHOULD NOT SEARCH FOR THEM HERE IN THE BLOG. INSTEAD, VISIT THE SITE OF THE CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA ONLINE. ANG HIRAP SA IYO E NAGHAHANAP KA NG PASKO SA BUWAN NG MAYO. YOU HAVE VISITED A BLOG AND YOU ARE LOOKING FOR RESEARCH MATERIALS AND SCHOLARLY ARTICLES. HEY, YOU ARE OUT OF PLACE AND OUT OF YOUR MIND. MY SUGGESTION TO YOU IS "GET REAL".
[ang pagkakaalam ko kasi ang apostolic succesion ay hindi mismo galing kay christ,]
HA HA HA... THAT IS WHY YOU ARE WRONG AND THAT IS WHY YOU ARE HERETICAL. HA HA HA..
APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION ORIGINATED IN THE FACT THAT THE FATHER SENT THE SON AND THE SON SENT FORTH THE HOLY SPIRIT UPON HIS APOSTLES BY WHICH HE HANDED THEM AUTHORITY TO GOVERN THE CHURCH. AND THE AUTHORITY RECEIVED BY THE APOSTLES FROM CHRIST HAS BEEN PASSED ON FROM ONE GENERATION TO THE OTHER BY ORDINATION TO THE MINISTRY.
[it's from the apostle although Christ handed down the mission but it is not christ who give apostolic succesion its the apostle Themselves.]
HA HA HA... PART OF THE MISSION GIVEN BY CHRIST IS THE HANDING ON OF AUTHORITY FROM THE APOSTLES TO THEIR SUCCESSORS. THE APOSTLES WOULD NOT HAVE INVENTED THINGS SO ESSENTIAL IN THE LIFE OF THE CHURCH WITHOUT BASIS ON THE TEACHINGS AND INSTRUCTIONS OF THE DIVINE MASTER. THE FACT THAT THERE ARE 12 APOSTLES AND UNDER THEN THERE WERE 70 DISCIPLES SHOW THAT THE LORD JESUS WILLED TO HAVE A HIERARCHY IN THE CHURCH WITH HIM AS THE LORD AND PETER AS THE FIRST AMONG THE APOSTLES.
THE APOSTLES LATER ON SIMPLY FOLLOWED WHAT THE DIVINE MASTER STARTED.
[Apostolic succesion is a succession of apostolic faith, apostolic service and apostolic life and even the believers have apostolic succesion]
YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND.
SUCCESSION OF APOSTOLIC FAITH IS CALLED CATECHESIS AND APOSTOLIC INSTRUCTION. APOSTOLIC SERVICE IS APOSTOLIC MISSION AND DIAKONIA.
EVEN BELIEVERS HAVE APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION... HA HA HA... THAT IS TRUE IF VIEWED BY THE FACT THAT THE BAPTIZED MEMBERS OF THE CHURCH ARE GOVERNED BY THE SUCCESSORS TO THE APOSTLES. BUT APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION REFERS TO THE PASSING ON OF AUTHORITY IN THE CHURCH FROM THE APOSTLES TO THE BISHOPS AND ON TO THE NEXT BISHOPS.
THE FACT THAT MANY BELIEVERS REJECT THE HIERARCHY IS A PROOF OF YOUR HALLUCINATORY CLAIM.
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[how come that you are telling such as this.]
I AM A ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIEST AND I AM TEACHING THE CATHOLIC DOCTRINE OF APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION WHICH YOU ARE TRYING TO DISTORT WITH YOUR AGLIPAY HERESY.
[are you a professor of theology?]
WHETHER I AM OR I AM NOT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. HOW DARE YOU ASK ME SUCH QUESTIONS WHEN IN FACT YOU ARE AN ANONYMOUS AND HIDING HERETIC.
I AM SIMPLY A CATHOLIC PRIEST, MINISTER OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AND TEACHER OF OUR FAITH.
[are you a teacher?]
OF COURSE. HOW ABOUT YOU? ARE YOU A BIRD? A PLANE? OR SUPERMAN?
ARE YOU A DOG OR A CAT? A PIG OR A HORSE? ARE YOU AN ALIEN OR HUMAN? HA HA HA....
[are you an apostle to tell such lies to christian?]
I AM A PRIEST OF THE APOSTOLIC ROMAN CHURCH CORRECTING THE STUPIDITY AND HERESY OF AN AGLIPAY HERETIC.
[Christ handed down to us the mission to proclaim the kingdom of God and the reign of God.]
CHRIST HANDED IT TO THE APOSTLES WHO WERE OUR FIRST BISHOPS. YOURS IS NOT FROM CHRIST BUT A BASTARD FAITH INVENTED BY GREGORIO AGLIPAY.
[not to destroy the unity that Christ have been telling us a thousand years ago.]
BY JOINING THE AGLIPAY CHURCH YOU ALREADY ADULTERATED THAT UNITY. YOU ARE NO LONGER PART OF THAT UNITY BY ABANDONING IT. YOU BELONG TO A NEWLY INVENTED SECT WHICH IS SCHISMATIC AND HERETICAL.
[in the time of Paul, the pauline church system is charismatic.]
HUH? EXCUSE ME. WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY CHARISMATIC? IS YOUR CHURCH CHARISMATIC? HE HE HE... YOUR CHURCH IS DEMONIC NOT CHARISMATIC. SCHISMATIC NOT CHARISMATIC. HERETIC NOT CHARISMATIC.
[but there is no data of validity and invalid succession.]
NOT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE IT YOU CAN TELL ME THAT THERE IS NONE. THERE IS IN FACT. THE SUCCESSION OF THE BISHOPS OF ROME FROM PETER TO BENEDICT XVI IS WELL RECORDED AND ATTESTED IN HISTORY. YOURS BEING A BASTARD CHURCH HAS NO RECORD OF THAT SORT.
[we christians take note father "WE CHRISTIANS" not only the RC is Christians,]
YOU ARE HERETICAL AND SCHISMATIC CHRISTIANS. IT MEANS YOUR FAITH IS ADULTERATED. EVEN YOUR LITURGY IS PURE IMITATION AND YOUR THEOLOGY PROTESTANTIZED. CATHOLIC IN LOOKS BUT PROTESTANT IN THINKING. YOU ARE LIKE AN ECCLESIAL FRANKENTEIN MONSTER.
[did the bible of yours telling that there is an invalid ordination or invalid apostolic succession.]
THIS IS ILLOGICAL AND STUPID.
IT IS NOT THE BIBLE THAT SPEAKS WHICH IS INVALID OR VALID ORDINATION BUT THE BISHOPS IN COMMUNION WITH THE SUCCESSOR OF PETER.
[there is not right? before you question other religions or sect or before you judge others, you must research further.. thanks father..]
THERE IS NO NEED FOR FURTHER RESEARCH TO KNOW THAT THE AGLIPAY CHURCH IS INVENTED BY GREGORIO AGLIPAY RECENTLY AND HAS NO APOSTOLIC FOUNDATION. YOU ARE ADVOCATING SUCH THEOLOGY IN ORDER TO PROVIDE AN ALIBI FOR YOUR DEFICIENCIES. SORRY FOR YOU.
O YOU ARE WELCOME.
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Dear Fr. I think this anonymous guy has a problem in distinguishing how the Gospel writers wrote the Gospels.
ReplyDeleteFrom the looks of it he can not distinguish when Christ is talking to His Apostles alone and when He is addressing all His followers. :D
YES, BRO. JOV. THAT IS VERY OBVIOUS. TYPICAL NAMAN YAN SA MGA PROTESTANTE. THEY WANT TO DIMINISH THE AUTHORITY OF THE APOSTLES PARA EQUAL NA LANG DAW LAHAT. HA HA HA... KAYA ANG APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION NIYA HANDING OF FAITH LANG NG ALL BELIEVERS. HE HE HE... STYLE NIYA BULOK.
ReplyDeletePIC or Aglipayan church is clearly a protestant schismatic organization, like its predecessor the Anglican church, from which maybe Aglipay's inspiration to create his new found sect. They adapted the form but not the substance, and added some more detailing to make it clearly different from the Catholic church, for instance, the title " Independent" which means cut from the communion to the Church of Rome. It unbounded itself from the Church established by Christ , although they call themselves Christians is only a mimic of the real thing. To support their doctrine of being Christian per se, they have to denounce the the truth of apostolic succession handed down from the first Pope ( St. Peter)down to Pope Benedict of which history strongly supports. Aglipayan church is the remnant of the dark ages of the Philippine spiritual revolution.
ReplyDeletenakakahiya mang aminin, pero ang tanong ng Aglipayan na may apostolic succession ba? ay isang mapaglinlang na katanungan, lumalabas na hindi nya alam ang sinasabi nya, sa kadahilanang, magkakaroon ba ng "aglipay" kung hindi napagpatuloy ang mission ng Panginoon dito sa Pilipinas. napakapayak lamang na lohika ang gagamitin kung ano ang kasagutan sa kanyang tanong. hindi sa pagmamaliit ng kakayahan ng nagtatanong, ngunit kailangan na nyang mag-aral ng mas matinong lohika kaysa sa kanyang antas sa ngayon.
ReplyDeleteNAPAKA-BABAW NG PAG-IISIP.
ReplyDeleteThis is the statement that took my attention.
ReplyDelete"ang pagkakaalam ko kasi ang apostolic succesion ay hindi mismo galing kay christ,"
> HINDI GALING KY CHRIST?, SO IT MEANS THAT HE IS DENYING THE LORD'S AUTHORITY OVER HIS 12 APOSTLES?
TO DENY CHRIST IS DENYING GOD.
CHRIST COMMANDED THE APOSTLES TO EVANGELIZE.
FROM THE GOSPEL OF MATTHEW 28:19
"GO AND MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS, BAPTIZE THEM IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT"
VERY CLEAR, APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION ORIGINATED IN CHRIST, AND HIS APOSTLES WERE COMMANDED BY HIM TO SPREAD THE GOOD NEWS. AND THROUGH THE APOSTLES DIFFERENT KINDS OF MINISTERS WERE MADE LIKE THE POPE, BISHOPS,PRIESTS AND DEACONS.
THAT'S WHY VALID ORDINATION NG CLERGY NG CATHOLIC CHURCH BECAUSE OF THE PERFECT SUCCESSION FROM THE APOSTLES...
Father nakakalito po. MAy nabasa po ako na ang Anglican church ay naniniwala sa apostolic succession. Pero bakit ito pong Aglipayanong ka-full communion nila ay hindi???
ReplyDeleteOFFICIALLY QUESTIONABLE ANG BELIEF NG MGA ANGLICANS SA APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION KASI NGA THEY REFUSED TO BE UNITED WITH THE CHURCH OF ROME AND THEY BROKE THE LINE OF SUCCESSION BY INVENTING THEIR OWN CHURCH FOUNDED BY THEIR KING HENRY VIII. BUT THERE ARE STILL SOME WHO UPHOLD IT AND THEY CLAIM THAT THE ANGLICAN CHURCH IS THE MIDDLE CHURCH BETWEEN CATHOLIC AND ORTHODOX BUT OF COURSE WE KNOW THAT IT IS NOT TRUE.
ReplyDeleteMANY OF THOSE WHO ARE CONVINCED OF THE NECESSITY OF APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION LIKE BLESSED JOHN HENRY NEWMAN CONVERTED TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.
THE AGLIPAY IS A DISTINCT AND UNIQUE ANIMAL EVEN THOUGH IT IS AFFILIATED WITH ANGLICANS AND EPISCOPALIANS. BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO IMITATE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE CLAIMING THAT WE ARE ONLY ONE BUT IN REALITY THEY ARE PROTESTANTS. THE AGLIPAY HAS AN ELEMENT OF DECEPTION AND SELF-HALLUCINATION IN THE PHILIPPINES. IMAGINE, THEY CLAIM TO UPHOLD 'SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE' YET THEY ARE USING CHAPELS AND LOTS THAT ARE GOVERNMENT OWNED. BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES.