The Bread of Life
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father abe, good day po.
may nagtanong po kc saken nung nakaraan kung bakit daw po tayong mga katoliko ay may banal na hapunan pero pari lng ang umiinom ng "alak"... "half-eucharist" lng dw po ang natatanggap ng mga miyembro gayong sa bibliya eh lhat dw ng kasama sa huling hapunan eh pinakain ng tinapay at pinainom ng alak...
sna po ay matulungan niyo po ako... slamat po at more power sa inyo.. :)
--steven
August 30, 2011 11:28 AM -
Fr. Abe, CRS said...
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[father abe, good day po.]
GOOD DAY DIN SA IYO STEVEN.
[may nagtanong po kc saken nung nakaraan kung bakit daw po tayong mga katoliko ay may banal na hapunan pero pari lng ang umiinom ng "alak"...]
HA HA HA... YAN NGA ANG NAKAKATAWA SA MGA KAMPON NG DEMONIO NA TUMUTULIGSA SA ATING PANANAMPALATAYA. SILA WALANG BANAL NA HAPUNAN TAYO MERON. SO, SILA WALANG TINAPAY NG BUHAY [cf. John 6:51] AT WALA RING CHALICE OF SALVATION [Cf. Psalm 116:12-13]. SILA AY TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY WALANG BANAL NA HAPUNAN TAPOS TAYO PA ANG TUTULIGSAIN. HE HE HE... NAKAKAAWA SILA. ANG KAKAPAL NG MUKA NILA. HE HE HE...
["half-eucharist" lng dw po ang natatanggap ng mga miyembro gayong sa bibliya eh lhat dw ng kasama sa huling hapunan eh pinakain ng tinapay at pinainom ng alak...]
HA HA HA... DIYAN NILA IPINAPAKITA ANG KANILANG KATANGAHAN. E KUNG TALAGANG GUSTO NILA NG KUMPLETO E BAKIT HINDI SILA MAG HOLY MASS THEN MAGPA HOLY COMMUNION SILA GIVING THE EUCHARISTIC BREAD AND WINE. HE HE HE... NAKU, NAPAKA IPOCRITO NILA. ACTUALLY, THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN THE HOLY EUCHARIST, TAPOS KUNWARI GUSTO NILA COMPLETE PARTAKING OF EUCHARISTIC BREAD AND WINE. MGA MAPAGPA-IMBABAW, MGA MANLOLOKO... MGA KAMPON NG KANILANG AMANG DIABLO NA PINAGMULAN NG KASINUNGALINGAN.
NUNG NAG HULING HAPUNAN SI JESUS ANG MGA KASAMA NIYA AY MGA APOSTOLES. AT ANG MA APOSTOLES THEY ARE THE APPOINTED SHEPHERDS OF THE CHURCH BY THE AUTHORITY GIVEN BY THE LORD JESUS KAYA SILA AY MGA MINISTRO NG SANTA IGLESIA IN A PRIESTLY SERVICE:
Rom 15:16 [Good News Bible] " ...of being a servant of Christ Jesus to work for the Gentiles. I serve like a PRIEST in preaching the Good News from God, in order that the Gentiles may be an offering acceptable to God, dedicated to him by the Holy Spirit."
IN NEW REVISED STANDARD VERSION: "...to be a MINISTER OF CHRIST to the Gentiles IN THE PRIESTLY SERVICE..."
KAYA ANG MGA APOSTOLES AY MGA PARI AT MINISTRO NG SANTA IGLESIA. KAYA SILANG LAHAT AY BINIGYAN NG TINAPAY AT PINA-INOM SA CHALICE CONTAINING THE BLOOD OF JESUS DAHIL PARI SILA. NAKIKISALO SILA SA PAGKAPARI NI CRISTO ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK.
SUBALIT, WALANG SINABI DUON NA SI VIRGIN MARY, SI MARIA MAGDALENA, SI ST. LAZARUS, SI JOSEPH OF ARIMATEA AT ANG IBA PA NA HINDI APOSTOL, HINDI PARI AT MINISTRO NG SANTA IGLESIA AY PINA-INOM NG EUCHARISTIC BLOOD OF THE LORD... WALA. AND HISTORICALLY HINDI RIN BASTA BASTA BINIBIGAY IYON SA KAHIT NA SINO.
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[sna po ay matulungan niyo po ako...]
ISA PA SA DAPAT MONG TANDAAN, NUNG LAST SUPPER PURO MGA MINISTRO LANG ANG NANDUON KASAMA NI JESUS. SUBALIT NUNG ITO AY IPINANGARAL NA NI SAN PABLO SA MGA ORDINARY BELIEVERS ITO ANG KANYANG SINABI:
1 Cor 11:27 [Ang Biblia] Kaya't ang sinomang kumain ng tinapay, o uminom sa saro ng Panginoon, na di nararapat, ay magkakasala sa katawan at dugo ng Panginoon.
ANG SINUMANG KUMAIN "O" UMINOM... IYAN AY "OR"... IT IS ENOUGH TO TAKE ONE SPECIE.
KAPAG IKAW AY KUMAIN NG TINAPAY UNWORTHILY KAHIT BODY OF THE LORD LANG ANG KINAIN MO BUT YOU SIN AGAINST THE BODY AND BLOOD OF THE LORD COMPLETELY. IF YOU DRINK ONLY THE BLOOD OF THE LORD UNWORTHILY YOU SINNED AGAINST THE BODY AND BLOOD OF THE LORD COMPLETELY ALSO. THUS, TO RECEIVE JUST ONE SPECIE WORTHILY YOU RECEIVE THE GRACE OF THE BODY AND BLOOD OF THE LORD AS WELL. IYAN, AY MALINAW NA SA BREAD OF LIFE DISCOURSE PA LANG NI LORD JESUS:
John 6:51 [Ang Biblia] Ako ang tinapay na buhay na bumabang galing sa langit: kung ang sinoman ay kumain ng tinapay na ito, siya'y mabubuhay magpakailan man: oo at ang tinapay na aking ibibigay ay ang aking laman, sa ikabubuhay ng sanglibutan.
ANG PAGKAIN NG KATAWAN NG PANGINOON AY NAGBIBIGAY NA NG BUHAY NA WALANG HANGGAN. BECAUSE IN THE BREAD OF LIFE WE RECEIVE THE COMPLETE JESUS AND IN THE BLOOD OF CHRIST WE RECEIVE THE FULL CHRIST. EACH OF THE SPECIE IS COMPLETELY GIVING CHRIST THAT IS WHY TO RECEIVE ONE IS TO RECEIVE ALL.
YOU ALSO HAVE TO BEAR IN MIND NA WALANG PROHIBITION SA ATIN NA TANGGAPIN ANG BLOOD NI LORD. ANG MAIN REASON AY PASTORAL REASON. WE ARE TOO MANY. KUNG LAHAT IINOM NG BLOOD OF THE LORD WE NEED A LOT OF WINE FOR EVERYBODY. PLUS THE HYGIENIC REASON THAT DRINKING BY THE SAME CUP OR EVEN IN SEVERAL CHALICES CAN SPREAD DISEASES. AND IT WILL PROLONG THE HOLY MASS VERY MUCH. THEREFORE, WE RECEIVE THE RECEPTION OF THE BLOOD OF THE LORD ON OCCASIONS THAT IS FREE OF THESE PROBLEMS SUCH AS ADULT BAPTISMS, FIRST COMMUNION OF FEW RECIPIENTS, WEDDINGS WHEREIN THE COUPLES ARE RECEIVING BOTH SPECIES, HOLY MASS DURING RETREATS AND RECOLLECTIONS AS WELL AS ANNIVERSARIES, ETC.
THE CUSTOM WHEREIN THE CHURCH PROVIDES ONLY THE BREAD FOR THE NON-MINISTERS OF THE CHURCH DATES BACK TO THE TIME OF THE APOSTLES. IT IS PROVEN BY THE FACT THAT AMONG THE ORDINARY CHRISTIANS THE POPULAR TERM FOR THE HOLY MASS SINCE THE APOSTOLIC TIMES IS 'BREAKING OF THE BREAD'. THE CHRISTIANS CALL IT THE BREAKING OF THE BREAD BECAUSE THEY USUALLY RECEIVE ONLY THE BREAD:
Act 2:42 [Ang Biblia] At sila'y nagsipanatiling matibay sa turo ng mga apostol at sa pagsasamasama, sa pagpuputolputol ng tinapay at sa mga pananalangin.
HE HE HE... SILA AY NANATILI SA TURO NG MGA APOSTOL... IBIG SABIHIN SILA AY HINDI MGA APOSTOL. THEN ANO PA ANG GINAWA NILA IN ACCORD WITH THE APOSTLES? BREAKING OF THE BREAD... PAGPUPUTOL-PUTOL NG TINAPAY. HE HE HE... SEE, TINAPAY LANG ANG BINANGGIT FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT PART OF THE APOSTOLIC MINISTRY. HE HE HE...
ITO PA:
Act 20:7 At nang unang araw ng sanglinggo, nang kami'y nangagkakapisan upang pagputolputulin ang tinapay, si Pablo ay nangaral sa kanila, na nagaakalang umalis sa kinabukasan; at tumagal ang kaniyang pananalita hanggang sa hatinggabi.
AGAIN, ST. LUKE REFERS TO THE CHRISTIANS IN GENERAL. AT BREAKING OF THE BREAD DIN LANG ANG BINANGGIT NIYA. BAKIT? DAHIL YON ANG TINATANGGAP NG GREAT MAJORITY. OF COURSE MERONG EUCHARISTIC WINE NOON SUBALIT ONLY THE MINISTERS RECEIVE THEM. THEY ARE NOT USUALLY GIVEN TO EVERYBODY.
[slamat po at more power sa inyo.. :)
--steven]
WELCOME STEVEN. GOD BLESS YOU.
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.. slamat po Fr. Abe... galing niyo po tlga...hehe
ReplyDeleteGod bless po!
--steven
Father, pwede po ba ako uminom ng mass wine? yung di pa po name-blessed.. yung nabibili sa St. Pauls and other SM Groceries? Gusto ko po sanang uminom ng alak na katas talaga ng ubas.
ReplyDeleteThank you po..
[Father, pwede po ba ako uminom ng mass wine? yung di pa po name-blessed.. yung nabibili sa St. Pauls and other SM Groceries? Gusto ko po sanang uminom ng alak na katas talaga ng ubas.]
ReplyDeleteYES, WALANG MASAMA DUON. KAYA LANG HINDI NAMAN MASARAP TALAGA ANG MASS WINE. IF YOU WANT A DELICIOUS GRAPE WINE GET THE FRENCH WINE FOR DINNER TABLE. HE HE HE... ANG MASS WINE IS NOT FOR ENJOYMENT KASI HINDI PA PROPERLY FERMENTED ITO.
father sabi ng ante ko na born again meron din daw clang eucharist...inimbita pa nga nya ako pra etry ko daw po..hehehe..gawa gawa din cla ng sarili nilang eucharist...hehe
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lolz! Father Abe, type ko rin yung mass wine na nabibili sa St. Paul's. Hehehe. Hindi kasing tapang nung ordinary red wine.
ReplyDeleteSalamat at naliwanagan uli ako sa topic na 'to.
oo nga naman..wala masama don..wine lang nmn yon..=)
ReplyDeleteFr. Abe kung pwede lang po malaman ang stand at makibalita din don sa paring nangrape DAW..(innocent pa yon pressumably)..
ano po ang hakbangin ng chruch don?
i don't want to judge the priest..kasi hindi naman ako saksi..ang punto ko lang po..kapag may kasong ganyan ano ang ginagawa sa pari?
thank you..
[father sabi ng ante ko na born again meron din daw clang eucharist...inimbita pa nga nya ako pra etry ko daw po..hehehe..gawa gawa din cla ng sarili nilang eucharist...hehe]
ReplyDeleteYAN ANG PATUNAY JP NA GALING SA DEMONIO IYANG MGA BORN AGAIN. KASI NUON GALIT NA GALIT SILA SA EUCHARIST. HE HE HE... THEN, GUMAMIT SILA NG MGA BISCUITS AT GRAPE JUICE. HE HE HE... BAKIT? KASI NAPAHIYA SILA SA MGA DEBATE LABAN SA MGA CATHOLIC APOLOGISTS KAYA NAGPILIT SILANG MAGKAROON DIN NG EUCHARIST. THEN, NUNG NAPAHIYA SILA DAHIL SA BISCUIT AT GRAPE JUICE BUMILI NA RIN SILA NG HOSTIA AT MOMPO NATIN. HA HA HA... ANG KAPAL NG MGA MUKA. WALANG MGA BAIT SA SARILI. NAPAHIYA SILA SA SARILI NILANG KAHANGALAN.
[Fr. Abe kung pwede lang po malaman ang stand at makibalita din don sa paring nangrape DAW..(innocent pa yon pressumably)..]
ReplyDeletePOSSIBLE NA SIYA AY INNOCENT AND POSIBLE DIN NA SIYA AY GUILTY OF THE ACCUSATION.
[ano po ang hakbangin ng chruch don?]
DAPAT NIYANG HARAPIN ANG KASO NIYA.
[i don't want to judge the priest..kasi hindi naman ako saksi..ang punto ko lang po..kapag may kasong ganyan ano ang ginagawa sa pari?]
PINAHAHARAP SA KORTE. KUNG GUILTY IKULONG, KUNG HINDI PALAYAIN. SIMPLE LANG.
tama...
ReplyDeletethe priest has the right to due process of law...correct me if i'm wrong pero sa pagkakaalm ko eh pwede syang litisin sa ilalim ng secular law at canon law ng simbahan..
hindi katulad nung isang kulto na kpg magka"kapatid" ang nagkakabanggaan eh ndi pinapayagang humarap sa anumang court trial... hahaha. kawawa nman ung mga myembrong napagkaitan ng hustisya... nanahimik na lng cla para d matiwalag...tsk tsk tsk
as what I know in the byzantine rite in communion with rome had always practiced taking the communion in both species. It was a practice in the latin Church to practice to distribute the bread only (to counter a certain heresy na nakalimutan ko that insisted that dapat ireceive ang communion in both species ONLY) In the second vatican Council, patriach Maximos Sayegh of the melekite Catholic CHurch was one of the leading voice in restoring the ancient practice of having communion in both form. So in the mass of Paul VI we can partake both form. I did so in my first communion. Pero ayon sa Redemptionis sacramentum hindi pwede ang lay kumuha ng hostia at sila mismo mag dip sa chalice. So when we take the communion the specie of bread, we receive Jesus 100%- body and blood, soul and divinity.
ReplyDeleteI think si steven naka panood ito ng "Ang Pagbubunyag" of INC of Manalo... but I'm not sure
ReplyDeleteParang gusto nila ipahiwatig na mali na ang pagtanggap ng Holy Communion eh they don't even receive the Lord's Body and Blood during their worship service. And by the way they presented the Verse from the Gospel of Matthew during the Last Supper of Christ with his apostles. and the issue here is that we Catholics never take the consecrated wine. Hahahah nakakatawa sila, As I've experienced as a longtime altar server the priest allows the congregation to take the wine according to the occasion, he sometimes dip the sacred Host into the chalice and distribute it to the people taking communion. But these 2 INC ministers are asking why we are not really taking it during the Holy Communion?
Here's a simple answer: What is one of the component inside of the human body that gives life?
Answer: Blood
And where can you find blood?
Answer: inside the Human Body
Therefore: if you take the consecrated host which is turned into the true Body of Christ you are also taking the Blood of our Lord through taking up the consecrated Host.
Lastly the Holy Communion is our Biblical and Historical practice because the 1st Christians especially those who are persecuted in Rome are saying the Holy Mass together with the priest under the catacombs are any hide outs and doing the Rite of taking up the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.
ReplyDeleteGood day po Father Abe!
ReplyDeleteI just want to share my experience here in Australia about receiving the Holy Eucharist. Kasi dito po we receive both species i.e. the body and blood. The Blood of Christ is distributed po using different chalices and the ministers giving them are allocated in a particular place para lumapit nalang sa kanila ang mga parishioners after receiving the body of Christ. Although marami ang parishioners, as many as the mass attendees in my parish before in Davao, I think the very reason bakit every mass we receive both species is that they have the capacity to distribute both. Ika nga, may budget sila, they can afford. But then again, what is important is the grace that we receive every time we partake in the sacred meal of our Lord and the worthiness to receive it.
Best regards,
Bro. GM
THANK YOU BRO. GM. ACTUALLY IT IS IN THE DISCRETION OF THE PASTOR - CELEBRANT PRIEST - TO DISTRIBUTE BOTH SPECIES. HOWEVER, HE HAS TO MAKE IT SURE THAT DROPS OF THE SACRED EUCHARISTIC BLOOD OF THE LORD WILL NOT BE SPILLED AND THERE WILL BE NO ABUSES.
ReplyDeleteFather gusto ko lng pong magtanong?..ano po ba ang kaibahan ng confimation at ang baptism of the holy spirit ng CFC?.
ReplyDeleteJP
[Father gusto ko lng pong magtanong?..ano po ba ang kaibahan ng confimation at ang baptism of the holy spirit ng CFC?.]
ReplyDeleteANG CONFIRMATION AY ANG SACRAMENTO NG SANTA IGLESIA KUNG KAILANG PINAGKALOOB SA ATIN NG PANGINOONG JESUCRISTO ANG BANAL NA ESPIRITO SA PAMAMAGITAN NG PAGPAPATONG NG KAMAY SA NABINYAGAN NA MAY SAPAT NG PAG-IISIP.
ANG BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT NG CFC AY HINDI SACRAMENTO NG SIMBAHAN AT HINDI GALING SA PANGINOONG JESUS. IYAN AY GINAYA LAMANG NILA SA MGA BORN AGAIN.
ANG BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT NA BINABANGGIT SA BIBLIA AY TUMUTUKOY SA SACRAMENTO NG BINYAG NG SANTA IGLESIA HINDI SA BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT NG CFC. NAGPA-UTO SILA SA MGA BORN AGAIN AT PENTECOSTAL.
Salamat sa sagot father..oo nga po nakakalungkot dahil ginaya lang nila ito..sumali po kasi ako sa SFC CFC at next saturday daw ay mag baptism of the holy spirit kami..Ang maganda lng po ay dapat mag confess muna kami sa priest bago sa tinatawag nila na baptism...
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father bakit po meron mga pari na nagbibigay ng baptism of the Holy Spirit usually nga po sa mga charismatic?
ReplyDeleteANG MGA PARI AY HINDI TUMATANGGI KAPAG HININGIAN NG MGA TAO NA MANALANGIN PARA SA KANILA. IT WAS A SIMPLE PRAY OVER. ANG SANTA IGLESIA AY WALANG DOCTRINA AT SPECIAL NA SACRAMENTO NA TINATAWAG NA 'BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT'. ANG TUNAY NA BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AY ANG BINYAG NA TINANGGAP NA NATIN AT ITO AY ISANG BESES LANG AT HINDI NA INUULIT.
ReplyDeleteGINAGAWA IYAN NG PARI DAHIL SA KAKULITAN NG MGA CHARISMATIC. SUBALIT MALINAW NA WALA TAYONG SPECIAL NA ARAL HINGGIL DIYAN. ITS NOT EVEN PART OF THE 7 SACRAMENTS.
Father Abe good day po ano po b masasabi nyo tungkol s shroud of Turin totoo po kyang kay Lord yung image n yun?
ReplyDeleteWALANG OFFICIAL DOCTRINE ANG SANTA IGLESIA NA TOTOONG SHROUD NI JESUS ANG SHROUD OF TURIN SUBALIT MALAKAS ANG EVIDENCIA HISTORICALLY NA ITO AY AUTHENTIC. HIND RIN MAIPALIWANAG NG SCIENCE KUNG BAKIT ANG LUMANG LUMANG SHROUD AY NAGTATAGLAY NG IMAGE OF A CRUCIFIED MAN LIKE A NEGATIVE OF A CAMERA.
ReplyDeleteFather bakit pag sa kasal pinaiinom ng Pari un kinasal diba sabi nyo dapat pari lang ang iinom ng wine? kasi nung kinasal ako pinainom kami ng wine ng Pari..
ReplyDelete[Father bakit pag sa kasal pinaiinom ng Pari un kinasal diba sabi nyo dapat pari lang ang iinom ng wine? kasi nung kinasal ako pinainom kami ng wine ng Pari..]
ReplyDeleteDEAR ANONYMOUS,
NAKU, HINDI MO BINASA NG HUSTO ANG SINULAT KO SA TAAS. I ALREADY EXPLAINED IT. ITO ULI:
"YOU ALSO HAVE TO BEAR IN MIND NA WALANG PROHIBITION SA ATIN NA TANGGAPIN ANG BLOOD NI LORD. ANG MAIN REASON AY PASTORAL REASON. WE ARE TOO MANY. KUNG LAHAT IINOM NG BLOOD OF THE LORD WE NEED A LOT OF WINE FOR EVERYBODY. PLUS THE HYGIENIC REASON THAT DRINKING BY THE SAME CUP OR EVEN IN SEVERAL CHALICES CAN SPREAD DISEASES. AND IT WILL PROLONG THE HOLY MASS VERY MUCH. THEREFORE, WE RECEIVE THE RECEPTION OF THE BLOOD OF THE LORD ON OCCASIONS THAT IS FREE OF THESE PROBLEMS SUCH AS ADULT BAPTISMS, FIRST COMMUNION OF FEW RECIPIENTS, WEDDINGS WHEREIN THE COUPLES ARE RECEIVING BOTH SPECIES, HOLY MASS DURING RETREATS AND RECOLLECTIONS AS WELL AS ANNIVERSARIES, ETC."
SEE, PINALIWANAG KO ANG PRACTICE NATIN NA PARI LANG ANG UMIINOM DAHIL NUNG LAST SUPPER SI JESUS LANG AT MGA APOSTOLES ANG UMINOM NG ALAK. SUBALIT WALANG PAGBABAWAL NA UMINOM NG ALAK ANG FAITHFUL. KAYA HINDI NATING BINIBIGYAN LAHAT PAG SUNDAY KASI SOBRANG DAMI NATIN. ITS NOT PRACTICAL TO GIVE IT FOR PASTORAL REASONS. SUBALIT PAG KASAL OR SPECIAL OCCASIONS DUON BINIBIGAY IYON. KASI 2 LANG NAMAN YUNG IKINAKASAL E.
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