King David playing the String instrument for the glory of God
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Dea Fathe,
pahabol naman oh.. Ok lang po ba na sa gumamit ng Drum,elstric guitar at iba pang maingay na instruminto during th Novus Ordo Mass?Maingay kasi feeling ko hindi ako nagsimba parang nasa looob ako ng diskuhan o Bar...
Maraming salamat po...
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Fr. Abe, CRS said...
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ANG HALOS LAHAT NG NOVUS ORDO MASS AY ORGAN ANG GINAGAMIT AT HINDI ELECTRIC GUITAR AND DRUMS. EWAN KO KUNG SAANG SIMBAHAN IYANG PINAGSASABI MO.
ANG GUMAGAMIT NG MGA DRUMS AT ELECTRIC GUITAR SA NOVUS ORDO MASSES AY MGA CATHOLIC CHARISMATICS NA MAHILIG SA GANONG URI NG PAGSAMBA. KUNG AYAW MO NG GANON E DI WAG KANG MAGSIMBA KASAMA ANG MGA CHARISMATICS. HE HE HE... SIMPLE LANG IYON. GAMITIN ANG UTAK.
TUNGKOL NAMAN DUON SA DISCOHAN AT BAR, MAHIYA KA NAMAN SA SARILI MO. ANG MGA CHARISMATIC GROUPS NA GUMAGAMIT NG ELECTRIC GUITAR AY MAGAGANDANG SONGS OF PRAISE AND WORSHIP ANG KINAKANTA AT HINDI PANG DISCO O PANG BAR. SIGURO MAHILIG KANG PUMASOK SA DISCO AT SA BAR KAYA MALASWA ANG UTAK MO. KAHIT NA BUMILI KA NG KANTA NG MGA CHARISMATICS VERY BIBLICAL AT MAGAGANDA. HINDI PANG BAR AT HINDI PANG DISCO KUNDI PANG JOYFUL PRAISE.
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Medyo nadi-disturb lang po sya sa ganung klaseng muskika, Father....
ReplyDeleteYUN NGA. KUNG AYAW MO NG GANONG URI NG MUSIC WAG MAGSIMBA SA CHARISMATIC MASSES TULAD NG MASS NG EL SHADDAI, ETC. PROBLEMA BA IYAN E HALOS LAHAT NG NOVUS ORDO MASSES SA MGA PAROKYA AY ORGAN MUSIC ANG GAMIT. GO TO MANILA CATHEDRAL OR STO. DOMINGO OR QUIAPO OR BACLARAN E VERY SOLEMN AND DIGNIFIED ANG MGA NOVUS ORDO MASSES. EWAN KO BA KUNG ANONG URI NG NOVUS ORDO MASSES ANG PINAGSASABI NINYO.
ReplyDeleteNUNG KAMI AY MGA SEMINARISTA KASAMA KAMI NG MGA PARI NA NAGMIMISA SA MGA BARRIO. DAHIL WALANG ORGAN GITARA ANG GAMIT. SUBALIT ANG MGA KANTA NAMIN AY HINDI PANG DISCO AT BAR MGA SOLEMN AND BIBLICAL SONGS TULAD NG "PANANAGUTAN" "SAPAGKAT ANG DIOS AY PAG-IBIG" "ANG PANGINOON ANG AKING PASTOL"... DEMONIO LANG MAG MAGSASABI NA MASAMA ANG MGA KANTANG ITO.
I think, the Bishops, being the liturgists of their respective diocese, should once and for all end the banal music in our churches. We need to restore the singing of the Propers, we need to restore Gregorian Chant (the proper music for the Roman Rite per Sacrosanctum Concillium), we need to rediscover the rich Graduale Romanum (the real Catholic Music Book), we need to get rid of non-liturgical though religious songs in the Mass (e.g. Lead me Lord, God Will Make a Way, and other religious songs that exult the self with the "I" and "me" as the focus of the song) and we need to restore the place of the Organ (esp. pipe organ) in the celebration of the sacred liturgy. To put it simply, let us faithfully implement "Musicam Sacram."
ReplyDeleteWe are not required to use accompaniments. Until this day, our Orthodox counterparts as well as the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches chant without accompaniment. We should realize that the reason Rome approved the use of the Pipe Organ in the liturgy NOT because we need an accompaniment in our singing but because this instrument mimics the human voice. Following therefore the wisdom of the Church in this regard, any instrument that fails to copy the voice of the singing human in his act of worship should be banned in the celebration of the Mass, e.g. guitar, drum, tambourines etc. Well, I concede that they along with other non-liturgical religious songs can be used in prayer meetings or bible studies, but NOT in the Mass.
I still hope, or sadly simply wish, that I could see the day when our Bishops - the liturgist of his diocese - finally step in and end the confusion on sacred music in our churches.
Also, I believe the "Charismatic Groups" should adhere to Musicam Sacram. Surely, they are not exempted from church rules on Liturgical Music. If they intend to remain Catholic, they should sing the way Catholics do in the the Mass. Well, they can still sing their so called "Praise and Worship" songs and use their bizarre instruments OUTSIDE the Mass.
ReplyDeletePardon me, Padre, but I am already fed up with the quality of music in our churches. I did research on the subject of Sacred Music in the Church and I have come to a realization and conclusion that much work still needs to be done in this area if we are to restore beauty and solemnity in the Mass. Many, if not most, of our churches are unfaithful to the wishes of the Fathers in VAtican II on the Liturgy and Sacred Music.
I wonder if our choirs are aware of "Musicam Sacram", of Graduale Romanum; mush less if they ever opened them.
Our seminarians are poorly trained in Sacred Music. Many priests could not chant, plaint it may be. Many, if not most, priests are not conscious about the difference between Liturgical Music and Religious Music. Everybody seems to think that all religious music are admissible to the celebration of the Sacred Liturgy which is not true. This notion could not find any support from Church legislation on Church Music and in our musical tradition.
Thanks that this matter is brought up here.
sobra namang banat ang ginawa mo father, enagtatanong lang naman ang tao...nagtatanong siya hindi siya nagpapainsulto, nagtatanong siya pinamukha mo sa tao na bobo siya walang hindi gumamit ng utak...konting fines pari naman dyan
ReplyDeleteWALA AKONG INIINSULTONG TAO DAHIL ANONYMOUS ANG KAUSAP KO. E ANG TANONG E PAINSULTO. IKUMPARA BA NAMAN SA DISCO AT BAR ANG MUSIC NG NOVUS ORDO. MASAKIT YON PARA SA MGA NAGMAMAHAL SA NOVUS ORDO MASS.
ReplyDeleteHINDI KO ALAM KUNG SAANG PAROKYA IYANG TINUTUKOY NIYA NA PANG DISCO AT BAR ANG MUSIC SA NOVUS ORDO MASS.
father tangap po ba ng Dios ang charismatic style of worship? kong tangap po ito ng Dios father so tangap din po nya ang worship ng mga born again dahil ang origin ng charismatic ay galing sa protestant...
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Baka naman po isa syang Traditional o Ultratraditional....
ReplyDelete[Also, I believe the "Charismatic Groups" should adhere to Musicam Sacram.]
ReplyDeleteBY PRINCIPLE THE CHARISMATIC GROUPS ARE FAITHFUL TO THE MUSICAM SACRAM. THEY ARE NOT SINGING SONGS THAT ARE UNSACRED. AS I'VE STATED THEY ARE SINGING SONGS FOR PRAISE AND WORSHIP AND THEIR MASSES FOLLOWS THE LITURGY.
[Surely, they are not exempted from church rules on Liturgical Music.]
ONLY THE LOCAL BISHOP CAN SAY SUCH A THING BECAUSE HE IS THE LAWMAKER, THE JUDGE AND THE HEAD PASTOR OF THE LOCAL CHURCH. IF THE LOCAL BISHOP ALLOWED THEM TO DO THINGS ACCORDING TO THEIR SPIRITUAL AND PASTORAL NEEDS THEN IT IS CANONICAL TO DO SO. THAT IS THE SAME THING FOR WORLD YOUTH DAY MASSES. THE SONGS ARE SO JOYFUL AND WONDERFUL BUT THE SENSUS FIDELIUM APPRECIATE THEM VERY MUCH AND ONLY FEW CLOSED MINDED PEOPLE ARE REJECTING THE MUSIC THAT THEY PREFER.
[If they intend to remain Catholic, they should sing the way Catholics do in the the Mass.]
THEY ARE CATHOLICS WHO ARE SINGING AS CHARISMATIC CATHOLICS. BUT THE MUSIC OF THE CHURCH IS NOT LIMITED TO THE GREGORIAN CHANT AND THE WORKS OF PALESTRINA AND THE GREAT MISSA CANTATA OF THE CLASSIC MASTERS. THERE IS ALSO THE NUMEROUS SONGS IN VERNACULAR COMPOSED IN THE POST VATICAN II ERA THAT BECAME POPULAR AND LOVED BY CATHOLICS IN VARIOUS COUNTRIES. THEY ARE ALSO CATHOLIC SONGS AND ARE NOW PART OF CATHOLIC HERITAGE.
[Well, they can still sing their so called "Praise and Worship" songs and use their bizarre instruments OUTSIDE the Mass.]
THE CHARISMATIC MANNER OF WORSHIP IS NOT CONTRADICTORY TO THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE CHURCH. FOR THAT REASON THE LOCAL BISHOPS HAVE GIVEN THEIR APPROVAL.
father .
ReplyDeleteanu po ba ung shalom na catholic org ? anu po ba ibig sabihin ng shalom...
anu po ba ung shalom na catholic org ? anu po ba ibig sabihin ng shalom...
ReplyDeleteANG WORD NA SHALOM IS A HEBREW WORD WHICH MEANS 'PEACE'.
ANG CATHOLIC CHARISMATIC GROUP NA SHALOM POPULARIZED BY FR. ARCHIE GUIRIBA,OFM IS STOPPED AND FR. ARCHIE GUIRIBA WAS NO LONGER ALLOWED BY THE FRANCISCAN PROVINCIAL SUPERIOR TO CONTINUE LEADING IT BECAUSE OF DOCTRINAL DIVERSION FROM THE CATHOLIC FAITH.
Hello po Fr. Abe, I've recently come back to our Catholic Faith and I was looking for Lenten Retreats and Recollection for this year. Nakita ko po near Trinoma yung ad for Fr. Guiriba's invitation for a Lenten Recollection. Buti na lang that same night nakita ko sya na guest sa 700 club. He was obviously advocating the Protestant position of being "saved by faith alone" so I thought, "Whew, there you go, this ain't a Catholic priest for sure!"
DeleteBut tonight I was totally disturbed when i saw him officiating what looked very much like a Catholic Mass on TV but soo disturbing to say the least. Walang solemnity yung mass, no due reverence. Tapos may happy clappy songs pa in between the Consecration of the Body and Blood of the Lord. And I think he blew on a trumpet pa during the Mass. I switched channels when I saw him carrying it. WAAH.
And when I looked him up sa internet his group pala is named Shalom International Catholic Charismatic. Fr. Abe what he's doing is NOT CATHOLIC. We have to guard our Faith and the faithful, using the word "Catholic" when the Leader is obviously not following the Magisterium is so misleading.
If you know Michael Voris I think Mr. Guiriba could be one of those he mentions as "counterfeit Catholics" misleading the flock. :( andami nila kanina sa Araneta. Oh dear..
I AGREE WITH YOU THAT FR. GUIRIBA SEEMS TO BE UPHOLDING A PROTESTANT THEOLOGY AND HIS MANNER OF CELEBRATING THE HOLY MASS IS A LITURGICAL ABUSE. HE WAS ALREADY REPRIMANDED BY HIS PROVINCIAL SUPERIOR FOR THAT REASON HE DISAPPEARED ON TV FOR SOME YEARS. IT IS A PITY THAT HE IS RE-APPEARING ON MEDIA AGAIN WITHOUT SHOWING GENUINE SIGN OF REFORM OR WILLINGNESS TO CONFORM TO THE LITURGICAL NORMS OF THE CHURCH. SURELY HE WILL BE REPRIMANDED FOR THAT AGAIN.
Delete[I think, the Bishops, being the liturgists of their respective diocese, should once and for all end the banal music in our churches.]
ReplyDeleteTHE MUSIC IN OUR CHURCHES ARE SACRED AND RELIGIOUS MUSIC AND NONE OF THEM ARE BANAL. THE JUDGES OF LITURGICAL MATTERS IN THE CHURCH ARE THE BISHOPS AND ONCE THEY APPROVED THE VERNACULAR AND MODERN MUSIC INTO THE MASS THAT IS OFFICIAL ACCEPTANCE.
[We need to restore the singing of the Propers, we need to restore Gregorian Chant (the proper music for the Roman Rite per Sacrosanctum Concillium),]
IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT THEN YOU ATTEND THE TLM REGULARLY. BUT DON'T IMPOSE IT ON US. EVEN IN AREAS THAT THE TLM IS GIVEN THE GREAT MAJORITY OF THE CATHOLICS PREFER THE NOVUS ORDO.
THE SACROSANCTUM CONCILIUM OPENED THE HOLY MASS TO THE VERNACULAR LANGUAGE AND FOR THAT THE SONGS USED ARE ALSO IN THE VERNACULAR AND THE SONGS USED ARE APPROVED BY THE LOCAL BISHOPS. IT IS NOT ONLY BASED ON SACRASOSANCTUM CONCILIUM IT IS BASED ON THE CHRIST-GIVEN AUTHORITY OF CHRIST TO THE BISHOPS AS SHEPHERDS OF THE SOULS.
SOME PEOPLE ARE FOND OF GREGORIAN CHANTS BUT ADMIT IT THERE ARE MANY WHO FIND IT FUNERAL-LIKE FOR THEIR TASTE.
[ we need to rediscover the rich Graduale Romanum (the real Catholic Music Book), we need to get rid of non-liturgical though religious songs in the Mass (e.g. Lead me Lord, God Will Make a Way, and other religious songs that exult the self with the "I" and "me" as the focus of the song)]
THE GRADUALE IS ALREADY OUT OF TOUCH WITH AGE. THE CHURCH USED IT BECAUSE IT SUITS THE CULTURE AND TASTE OF THE PEOPLE OF THOSE TIMES. BUT NOW IT IS GOOD TO HEAR FROM TIME TO TIME BUT TO MAKE IT THE REGULAR MUSIC OF THE CHURCH THERE WILL BE PROTEST FROM ALL SIDES.
THE SONG "LEAD ME LORD" IS NOT ABOUT "ME" AND "I". IF YOU WILL LISTEN TO THE SONG IT IS A PROCLAMATION OF THE LORD AS ONE'S LIGHT AND LIFE... THAT A HUMAN PERSON IS NOTHING WITHOUT GOD. WHAT WILL YOU FEEL IF A CRITIC WILL WILL INSULT THE KYRIE BY SAYING THAT IT IS LIKE A NONSENSE SOUND? IT IS EASY TO CRITICIZE YOU KNOW. DO YOU THINK THAT THE LATIN HYMNS AND THE GREGORIAN CHANTS ARE FREE FROM INSULTS AND CRITICISMS?
ABOUT THE SONG "GOD WILL MAKE THE WAY" I HAVE NEVER EVER ENCOUNTERED IT IN THE HOLY MASS. NEVER. TELL ME WHICH CHURCH IS IT BEING USED FOR THE MASS.
WE MUST NOT BE LIKE PHARISEES SEEING EVIL EVEN IN GOOD THINGS. THAT IS ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF THE SIN AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT. JESUS WAS HEALING BUT THE PHARISEES CONSIDER IT AS EVIL. THE CHURCH ALLOWED THE PEOPLE TO SING IN VERNACULAR AND TO COMPOSE NEW SONGS IN THE NATIVE TONGUE. THE LYRICS ARE BEAUTIFUL AND BIBLICAL AND THE MUSIC SOLEMN AND DIGNIFIED BUT FOR THE EYES OF THE ULTRA TRADITIONAL THEY ARE STILL WRONG.
THAT IS THE REASON WHY MANY OF THOSE WHO LOVE THE NOVUS ORDO HATE VERY VERY MUCH THE TLM. WHY? IT IS A NATURAL REACTION TO THE HYPOCRISY OF THE TRADITONAL PEOPLE. THAT IS WHY THEN THEY ASKED PERMISSIONS FOR TLM THEY FIND IT OPPOSED BY MANY BISHOPS AND PRIESTS AND LAY LEADERS. WHY? BECAUSE THEY KNOW MANY OF THEM ARE PHARISAICAL. THEY ONLY WANT LATIN, GREGORIAN AND TLM. THEY ARE FIGHTING FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO BE ACCEPTED BUT THEY DONT WANT TO ACCEPT WHAT OTHER WANTS.
[and we need to restore the place of the Organ (esp. pipe organ) in the celebration of the sacred liturgy.]
ReplyDeleteTHE PLACE OF THE ORGAN IS ALWAYS PROMINENT IN CATHOLIC CHURCHES EXCEPT THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE ONE.
NOW, CONCERNING THE 'PIPE ORGAN'... ARE YOU CRAZY? HERE IN THE PHILIPPINES THE PIPE ORGAN COSTS MILLIONS OF PESOS NOT INCLUDING THE DELIVERY AND MAINTENANCE SERVICES. THERE ARE ONLY FEW CHURCHES WHO HAVE IT. THIS IS THE EFFECT OF BEING OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY AND LOOKING ONLY AT DOCUMENTS WITHOUT BEING ROOTED IN THE PRACTICAL LIFE OF THE PARISH. NAKAKATAWA...
[To put it simply, let us faithfully implement "Musicam Sacram."]
THE MUSICAM SACRAM IS BEING IMPLEMENTED BY THE LOCAL CHURCHES THROUGH ITS CELEBRATIONS OF THE VERNACULAR MASS AND THE VERNACULAR MUSIC.
THE MUSICAM SACRAM PRESENTED THE PREVIOUSLY ACCEPTED MUSIC OF THE CHURCH BUT IT DOES NOT PROHIBIT THE CELEBRATION OF THE MASS IN LOCAL LANGUAGES AND THE COMPOSITION OF NEW SONGS IN LOCAL LANGUAGES AS WELL.
[We are not required to use accompaniments.]
ReplyDeleteWE ARE NOT PROHIBITED BY OUR BISHOPS AND WE ARE EVEN ALLOWED TO DO SO. IF THE BEETHOVEN AND THE MOZART WERE ALLOWED TO PERFORM WITH THEIR ORCHESTRA FOR THEIR MASTER OPUS ON THE HOLY MASS WHY NOT THE OTHER INSTRUMENTS.
[Until this day, our Orthodox counterparts as well as the Eastern Rite Catholic Churches chant without accompaniment.]
THAT IS WHY THE ORTHODOX ARE STAGNANT. THEY ARE DECAYING. THE FACT THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS THE CAPACITY TO CHANGE PASTORALLY IN TIME IT ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES WE HAVE THAN THE ORTHODOX. THEY CANNOT EVEN CALL FOR A COUNCIL TO REFORM THEIR LITURGY AND THEIR LAWS. SOME OF THEM EVEN USES THE JULIAN CALENDAR UNTIL NOW. HE HE HE... WHY DON'T YOU IMITATE THEM?
[We should realize that the reason Rome approved the use of the Pipe Organ in the liturgy NOT because we need an accompaniment in our singing but because this instrument mimics the human voice.]
ROME APPROVED THE PIPE ORGAN. IN THE SAME WAY THEY APPROVED THE THEME SONGS OF EACH WORLD YOUTH DAY SONG TO BE SUNG IN THE MASSES. THAT IS WHY SONGS LIKE "TELL THE WORLD OF HIS LOVE" AND "EMMANUEL" ARE CATHOLIC, LITURGICAL AND APPROVED BY THE CHURCH. THEY MUST BE ADDED TO THE OFFICIAL LISTS OF CATHOLIC SONGS FOR THE MASS.
[Following therefore the wisdom of the Church in this regard, any instrument that fails to copy the voice of the singing human in his act of worship should be banned in the celebration of the Mass, e.g. guitar, drum, tambourines etc.]
O NO, NO, NO... THERE IS NO DOGMA STATING THAT ONLY INSTRUMENTS THAT MIMICS THE HUMAN VOICE ARE ACCEPTABLE IN THE CHURCH. NO, NO, NO... DO NOT INVENT A CANONICAL OR LITURGICAL LAW FOR US. THAT IS SATANIC. YOU ARE NOT OUR POPE AND YOU ARE NOT OUR BISHOP.
AS CATHOLICS WE BELONG TO THE NEW CREATION. CHRIST HAS RESTORED HIS CREATION BY HIS REDEMPTION AND THEREFORE EVERYTHING THAT GOD HAS CREATED IS "GOOD". AS LONG AS THEY ARE USED FOR THE GLORY OF GOD THEY ARE GOOD AND THEY CAN BE USED FOR THE WORSHIP OF THE ALMIGHTY.
[Well, I concede that they along with other non-liturgical religious songs can be used in prayer meetings or bible studies, but NOT in the Mass.]
THE LITURGICAL COMMISSION SET UP BY THE BISHOP FOR HIS DIOCESE SHALL BE THE ONE TO DETERMINE WHICH SONG IS ALLOWED OR NOT. SORRY FOR YOU MANY OF THE VERNACULAR SONGS HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND THEREFORE THEY ARE LITURGICAL SONGS APPROPRIATE FOR THE HOLY MASS.
[I still hope, or sadly simply wish, that I could see the day when our Bishops - the liturgist of his diocese - finally step in and end the confusion on sacred music in our churches.]
ReplyDeleteTHERE IS NO CONFUSION IN OUR MINDS ONLY ON THOSE WHO REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THE NOVUS ORDO USES VERNACULAR MUSIC FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE FAITHFUL.
Father, maybe this guy is an SSPX pretending to be loyal to Rome and its teachings, or that he is fed up with Charismatic Catholic music....
ReplyDeletePARANG SSPX NGA. PALIBHASA ANG MGA SSPX NA IYAN AY MGA INUTIL SA LIPUNAN.
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