St. Peter the Apostle & First Pope
[The Catholic Faith is founded on the very
divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Word of God, who came down on earth to
save men from their sins and lead them to Heaven with Him.]
This is mere partial truth because the Divine
Lord willed it so by Divine predilection of the Father that the Church be
founded on the Rock that is PETER. That is why the Catholic Church and its
Faith is founded on the person and office of St. Peter. Thus, the true Catholic
Faith must never be separated from Peter and his Successors and his Holy See –
ROME. The Catholic Faith must be with Peter and never without Peter. For that
reason the SSPX does not hold the true Catholic Faith because it is de jure et de facto… canonically and
actually separated from the Vicar of Christ and the Holy See.
[He entrusted his apostles and their successors
not only the Truth He taught but also the example of holiness He gave them and
the seven sacraments as means of grace.]
The Pope is the Successor of St. Peter, the
Prince of the Apostles, and the Bishops are the successors of the Apostles. The
SSPX are not in communion with the Successor of Peter and the Bishops who are
the Successors of the Apostles so that by their own mouth they are caught and they
have manifested that they are not holding the true Catholic Faith.
The exercise of the Sacraments must be
authorized by the Bishops in Communion with the Vicar of Christ. The SSPX are
NOT in Communion with the Bishops and the Pope who are the successors of the
Apostles for that reason their Sacraments are illegal and they are violating
the Catholic Faith and Catholic Unity.
[That
most holy deposit has been handled down faithfully through the ages in and by
the Catholic Church, and shines especially in her saints.]
The ultimate and definitive keeper and
protector of that Sacred Deposit of the Faith is the Pope and the Bishops in
Communion with him and not any wacky old fool named Lefebvre. That is why the
rebellion of Lefebvre against the Holy Father is a sacrilege and prostitution
of the Sacred Deposit of the Faith.
St. Padre Pio lived at the initial years of
implementations of the Pauline Mass, Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta lived
for many decades under it and Sis. Lucia of Fatima attended the Pauline Mass
daily for decades as well yet these holy and saintly Catholics never spoke
negatively against the Pauline Mass. Never ever.
[As Pope Pius IX taught, the Holy Ghost
has been promised to Peter and his successors not to teach new doctrine but to
keep entirely and expose faithfully this deposit of faith; they unite
themselves to the sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus Christ and are fed by His very
Body and Blood to become one victim with him so as to be glorified with him.]
That is exactly what Blessed John XXIII, the
Servants of God Paul VI, John Paul I and Blessed John Paul the Great did. It
was Lefebvre who went over board by committing excommunicable acts. He died
outside the Church where there is no Salvation. He died excommunicated and
remains as such. THE POPES NEVER TAUGHT NE DOCTRINES BUT THE CHURCH ALWAYS PRESENT NEW EXPLANATIONS OF THE SAME FAITH THROUGH THE COURSE OF THE YEARS. That is why we got the words Trinity, Homoousios, Theotokos, Latria-Hyperdulia-Dulia, Transubstantion, etc. THE CHURCH IS NOT PROHIBITED TO EMPLOY ANOTHER TERMS AND EXPLANATIONS TO FURTHER CLARIFY THE FAITH.
[To these treasures the Society of Saint Pius X
has been faithful from the very beginning.]
Excuse me, that is hypocritical and deceptive.
THE SSPX DISOBEYED THE POPE AND REJECTED THE AUTHORITY OF AN ECUMENICAL
COUNCIL. THEY MADE THEMSELVES EQUAL WITH THE PROTESTANTS AND THE ORTHODOX FOR
DOING SO. Canonical and Liturgical rebellion against the Pope is never part of
Catholic Treasury of Faith. NEVER EVER. Lefebvre learned that from LUCIFER not
from St. Peter.
[IT was
founded perfectly canonically by the local bishop in 1970, and grew steadily
ever since.]
Another lie. It is not founded perfectly
because it was founded deceptively to oppose the Pope and the most recent
Ecumenical Council. So, it was imperfect. To be disobedient to the Vicar of
Christ is a mark of imperfection. The fruit of it was the excommunication of
Lefebvre.
Their so-called increase of number is pathetic
at best. The Catholic Charismatic movements are increasing by hundreds of
thousands and by millions. There are more Catholic Women League or Knight of
Columbus members than SSPX. The Born-Again heretics as well as the followers of
Manalo and Soriono were more numerous and are increasing on more rapid number
than the SSPX so that their argument based on Numerical Increase is a
manifestation of delusion and megalomania.
[But
this fidelity to the Tradition of the Church did not please those who were
intent in changing everything after the Second Vatican Council.]
This is another lie. The 2nd Vatican
Council never changed a single doctrine of the Church. Instead it strengthened
the Catholic Faith and presented it with more beauty, grace, clarity and
charity. The SSPX failed to see it because they are blinded by their Pride and
Disobedience which were the same pitfall of Lucifer and Luther… and eventually
of Lefebvre.
[Persecution
came upon the Society of Saint Pius X, trying to force them to take up the
novelties, especially the new mass.]
The Pauline Mass is NOT A NEW MASS but the same
ancient Mass in a simplified form of the Latin Rite. It is a simplified version
of the TLM which was also new when it was introduced by Pope St. Pius V in Quo
Primum. There is nothing in the Pauline Mass that is New. All its elements from
Entrance Procession to the Dismissal are all from the old rites, the Sacred
Scriptures or Tradition of the Catholic Church. There is nothing new in the
Pauline Mass. From cover to cover it is from the Sacred Deposit of the Faith.
[But is
it not right of each priest and layman to remain faithful to what he received
from the Church?]
The SSPX is NOT FAITHFUL BUT UNFAITHFUL. They
are like Prostitutes claiming to be virgins. They are like Mafiosi claiming to
be law-abiding citizens. They are like the Old Catholics who refused Vatican I,
like the Lutherans who refused the Council of Trent, like the monks of Mt.
Athos and eastern bishops who refused the Pope’s implementation of the
Gregorian Calendar and the Easter dates. The champion of tradition during the
Vatican II, Cardinal Ottaviani, lived his final days in fidelity with the Pope
together with other Bishops who were with him in debating for tradition during
the Council yet Cardinal Ottaviani never crossed the rebellion of Lefebvre.
[Nay, it
is his very duty!]
The duty of a true Catholic is to be faithful
not to create rebellion and form canonical disobedience. What the SSPX has
done is Luciferian and Lutheran. That is also a form of Modernism which is
founded on the rejection of the authority of the Church and of the Pope. They
have become the very demons that they profess to reject.
[That
fidelity to the Mass of all times has been vindicated by Pope Benedict XVI,
when he declared in Summorum Pontificum that the Traditional Latin Mass was
never abrogated: this implicitly means that those who tried to suppress
it in the 1970’s were doing the wrong thing.]
It is the Pope who was vindicated but not
Lefebvre who died excommunicated.
THOSE WHO SUPPRESSED IT ARE NOT WRONG BECAUSE
THE TLM WAS IMPLEMENTED BY A POPE AND BY THE SAME AUTHORITY OF THE POPE IT WAS
SUPPRESSED. OBVIOUSLY THE SSPX ARE IGNORANT OF THE FACT THAT THE POPE HAS THE
POWER TO BIND AND TO LOOSE AND HAS FORGOTTEN Matthew 16:18-19 and Matthew
18:18.
That power who implemented was the same power
that suppressed and it was also the same power that allowed again for universal
use as The Extraordinary Form of the Latin Rite. Obviously the SSPX has
forgotten the fact that the Bishop of Rome has the Power of the Keys of Heaven
which only prove that their knowledge of the Deposit of the Faith is partial
and heretical.
[Pope Benedict thus wrote: “What earlier generations held as
sacred, remains sacred and great for us too, and it cannot be all of the sudden
entirely forbidden or even considered as harmful. It behoves all of us to
preserve the riches which have developed in the Church’s faith and prayer and
to give them their proper place” This
is what The Society of Saint Pius X has been doing all those years.]
O NO, NO, NO… YOU ARE NOT DOING THAT THROUGH
ALL THOSE YEARS BECAUSE YOUR TLM ARE OUTSIDE OF COMMUNION WITH THE CHURCH OF
ROME AND OF THE VICAR OF CHRIST. The true TLM must be done in communion with
the Successors of Peter and the Apostles, never without them and never ever
separated from them. Your TLM are illegal and anti-Church… your TLM are
anti-Pope and anti-Ecclesial Communion.
[ When one says that the canonical situation of
the Society of Saint Pius X is irregular, whose fault? Not the SSPX’s but it
was the fault of those trying to suppress Tradition.]
THE POPE DIDN'T SUPPRESS TRADITION BUT THE RITE OF THE MASS. THE POPE HAS THE POWER CHANGE THE RITES OF THE MASS. RITES ARE FREQUENTLY CHANGING THROUGH THE YEARS AND CENTURIES. STS. CYRIL AND METHODIUS EVEN FORMED A NEW RITE OUT OF SLAVONIC LANGUAGE WHICH THEY CREATED TO EDUCATE THE BARBARIANS OF THE KIEVAN RUS AND THE SLAVS.
It is the fault of Lefebvre and the SSPX because the Pope could have granted you a special status in the Church but instead Lefebvre and your entire Society refused. You lacked the prudence, the sacrificial attitudes and the patience of Catholic Saints who waited for the decisions of the Holy See even if it took years or decades to come. They never severed Communion with the Holy See and the Bishop of Rome. Don’t blame us for your own fault and your own disobedience. You are like Adam and Eve who pointed their fingers at another when confronted by their sinful acts.
It is the fault of Lefebvre and the SSPX because the Pope could have granted you a special status in the Church but instead Lefebvre and your entire Society refused. You lacked the prudence, the sacrificial attitudes and the patience of Catholic Saints who waited for the decisions of the Holy See even if it took years or decades to come. They never severed Communion with the Holy See and the Bishop of Rome. Don’t blame us for your own fault and your own disobedience. You are like Adam and Eve who pointed their fingers at another when confronted by their sinful acts.
[Now it is a fact in many places, these riches
of the Tradition of the Church has been- abusively- forbidden priests were not
allowed to offer the Traditional Latin Mass nor were the faithful allowed to
assist.]
The Servant of God Pope Paul VI, of Blessed
Memory, simply followed the act of Pope St. Pius V who disallowed many existing
forms of the Latin Rite prior to Quo Primum. That authority is within the bound
of his being Successor of St. Peter who has the power to bind and to loose. The
entire Church obeyed just like they obeyed Pius V and only some disobedient lot
refused to follow. Unfortunately you belong to the Society of those who
disobeyed – the Society of the Popeless.
[Many of
these faithful had been wounded by the novelties, the scandals, - not only the
moral scandals that have afflicted the Church after Vatican II, but the very
scandals of novelties in the doctrine, priest s no longer believing in the
necessity of the Catholic faith for Salvation, and even sometimes not believing
in The Real Presence of Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament.]
You are out of touch with reality. There is no
novelty in the Pauline Mass. What is that novelty? The Responsorial Psalm is
taken from the Bible and if you are not aware the Bible is part of the Sacred
Deposit entrusted to the Church. The Second Reading is taken from the same
Bible. What novelty are you talking about?
The moral scandals in the Church were due to
the sinfulness of the members influenced by Sexual Revolution of the 60’s up to
the present. They are not from the Pauline Mass. THE SCANDALS IN THE CHURCH PRIOR TO TRENT WERE EVEN MORE TERRIBLE THAT WE HAVE TODAY THAT IS WHY ALMOST THE ENTIRE WEST BECAME PROTESTANTS. Lefebvre imitated the tactics and the antics of Luther. The same style and the same arrogance.
Concerning the Real Presence it is literally stated in the Pauline Mass that the Bread and the Wine becomes the Body and Blood of Christ so that your claim concerning the denial of the Real Presence is only hallucinatory. It is not from the Pauline Mass at all. Besides, the SSPX is virtually heretical and schismatic because it refuses the Supreme and Absolute authority of the Pope as defined Dogmatically in VATICAN I.
Concerning the Real Presence it is literally stated in the Pauline Mass that the Bread and the Wine becomes the Body and Blood of Christ so that your claim concerning the denial of the Real Presence is only hallucinatory. It is not from the Pauline Mass at all. Besides, the SSPX is virtually heretical and schismatic because it refuses the Supreme and Absolute authority of the Pope as defined Dogmatically in VATICAN I.
[The way
they treat the Blessed Sacrament is often a scandal.]
The Pauline Mass never states that the Blessed
Sacrament be treated scandalously. Prove that the scandal is caused by the
Pauline Mass.
[Communion
in hand has led many to lose faith in that Dogma.]
O that is not true. I have witnessed many
people become better Catholics through the Novus Ordo and the Communion by
Hand. Besides, where is it in the Dogma of the Church that the Communion is
ONLY BY TONGUE?
[Local
Levites passed by those souls wounded by these scandals and did not cared;
local priests pass by and did not care; the society of Saint Pius X, like the
Good Samaritan, came by and cared for these souls, healing them and teaching
them the Faith of all times, giving them the sacraments of all times and the
moral guidance of all times: that very same Faith, Very same Sacrament, which
you my Lord Bishop, received when you were a young boy.]
These SSPX are delusional. Imagine, they claim
that our priests and bishops do not care about the souls and they are the one
caring for the souls. Excuse me. You are foolish in your delusions. You are not
caring for the souls of our faithful. You are wolves infiltrating our local
churches in order to lure them away from the Successor of Peter and the
Apostles and to deceive them in your demonic heresy: SOLA LATINA, SOLA
TRIDENTINA.
[Now what would you think of this local Levite
and Priest turning around and telling the Good Samaritan, you can’t do this
because you are a stranger and have no local jurisdiction? Is It not the model
of the Good Samaritan that of Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself? Yes, these Good
Samaritan have jurisdiction, not normal one, but the one given in this time of
crisis of Faith by the very principles of the Canon law, the first which is: “the supreme law is the salvation of
souls”.]
Your being Good Samaritan and our being Levites
are pure crap and pathetic analogy. THAT GOOD SAMARITAN IS THE LORD JESUS WHO
POURED OIL AND WINE [EUCHARIST AND CHRISM] TO A WOUNDED SOUL OF MAN. Then the
Lord carried the wounded soul where? IN THE HOUSE… AN INN. What is that House?
THE CHURCH [1 Timothy 3:15]. Salvation must be inside the Church not outside.
The SSPX instead are luring the Catholic souls
away from the Church, from the Office of Peter and from the Successors of the
Apostles. That is Satanic. You are not saving, you are dividing the Body of
Christ. You are parasites hurting the Church and the souls within while
claiming attachment into it. You want to attach to the Church not to be a
member but TO SUCK BLOOD OUT OF IT TO FUEL YOUR OWN REBELLION AND UNDERMINE ITS
AUTHORITY.
[Pope Benedict XVI, conscious of this crisis of
the church, is currently working for restoring a proper canonical status to the
SSP: he has given the freedom to the Traditional Mass as we had asked: he has
suppressed the “excommunication” of 1988(which we always considered it
invalid), in such a way that no one can say we are not in the Catholic Church;
he has done the theological discussions we had asked and now offering a proper
canonical status. It is certainly not time for bishops to go in the opposite
direction.]
The Church always have problems; that is the
normal situation of the Church. It is never free of problems here on earth because
the Church since the time of Jesus was composed of sinners and saints. Even
during the Apostolic Age there were sexual scandals as mentioned by Paul in his
Epistle to the Romans [Romans 1:26-27] and Sacrileges of the Eucharist as he
strongly tried to correct in his Epistle to the Corinthians [1 Corinthians
11:27-34]. AGAIN, THE SCANDALS DURING THE 16TH CENTURY WERE MORE TERRIBLE THAT THE ONE WE HAVE TODAY. FOR THAT MILLIONS AND MILLIONS BECAME PROTESTANTS. However, where sin abounds the grace of God abounds all the more
Romans 5:20]. As the Church is confronted by problems she also produces saints
and a lot of good works.
One of those problems are caused and created by
Lefebvre and you his cohorts. THE EXCOMMUNICATION IS VALID BECAUSE IT IS BEYOND
ANY REASONABLE DOUBT THAT WHAT LEFEBVRE DID VIOLATE NOT ONLY THE CANON LAW BUT HARMFUL
TO THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE AND THE UNITY OF THE CHURCH. There is no justification
for what he had done.
YOU ARE NOT IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BECAUSE YOU
ARE CANONICALLY OUTSIDE OF ITS COMMUNION. The Pope is so charitable with you
but instead of resting on his charitable, paternal arms you are defiant in your
treachery. Our Bishops are weary of because your actions in the local level are
different from the face you are showing to the Pope on the higher level. You
have two sets of mask: a gentle lamb and a treacherous wolf.
[For the Honor of God and in devotion to the
immaculate Heart of Mary, a Rosary Crusade is being organized on October 7,8
and 9 for three intentions:]
Your Rosaries are hypocritical because the
Blessed Mother appeared in Fatima in response to the request of the Pope and
she claimed that her Triumph shall be through the Pope. YOU ARE NOT IN
COMMUNION WITH THE POPE SO IT IS HYPOCRITICAL FOR YOU TO USE THE LADY OF
FATIMA.
[1) to
fulfil our lady’s request at Fatima to do reparation in honour of Her
Immaculate heart]
We are the one fulfilling them not you. You are
not reparing instead gives more damages.
[2) to pray for Pope Benedict XVI to consecrate
Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary]
Russia has been consecrated by Blessed Pope
John Paul the Great. The Soviet Union and Communism had collapsed. The main
problem of the world now is in the Middle East not in Russia. Get real.
[and 3)
to defeat the RH bill being debated in the Congress.]
WE ARE THE ONE FIGHTING AGAINST THE RH BILL NOT
YOU. YOU ARE ONLY PRETENDING TO BE ONE WITH US TO GAIN SEMBLANCE OF CREDEBILITY
AS IF YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING AGAINST THE RH BILL. YOU ARE ACTUALLY USELESS.
WHILE WE WERE DEBATING THE PRO-RH BILL YOU ARE INFILTRATING OUR LOCAL CHURCHES.
TREACHEROUS WOLVES! MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOULS AND HELP YOU SEE THE EVIL
WHERE YOU BELONG.
[ Fr. Francois Laisney, Fr. J. Timothy Pfeiffer
Fr Joseph Pfieffer, Fr Alexander Hora]
Rev. Fr. Abe P. Arganiosa, CRS
Catholic
Faith Defender
National
Spiritual Director

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TALAGANG WALA NA SA KATINUAN ANG SSPX. IN THEIR DISOBEDIENCE AND REBELLION AGAINST THE POPE, NAKISAKAY PATI ISSUES NG MGA GRUHNERITES. PARE-PAREHAS ANG KULAY NILA TALAGA.
ReplyDeleteI feel that the SSPX are full of bitterness and hatred in their hearts, especially against the Holy Roman Pontiff and the revised liturgies.
ReplyDeleteWith their own doings they are fulfilling only what the Lady of Fatima had predicted about the Pope, that "the Pope will suffer much tribulation"
and it is also the very sin of disobedience why Lucifer is far and not in Communion with God at this time, and this reflects to them!
Russia is not yet consecrated.
ReplyDeleteRUSSIA IS ALREADY CONSECRATED. THE POPE SAID THAT IT HAS BEEN CONSECRATED AND THAT THE FALL OF COMMUNISM IN SOVIET UNION AND THE ENTIRE EASTERN EUROPE WITH VIETNAM IS THE PROOF OF ITS EFFECT.
ReplyDeleteIT IS THE POE WHO WILL SAY IF IT IS CONSECRATED OR NOT. AND MAMA MARY DIDN'T GIVE THE POPE OFFICIAL FORMULA TO USE FOR CONSECRATION. SHE LEFT THAT TO THE DISCRETION OF THE POPE. SO, POPE JOHN PAUL THE GREAT DID IT.
"May the Church return to Tradition, but by little steps because it is difficult to do so all at once. Nevertheless, it must be evident that everything is in the process of turning towards normalcy, Tradition, and the teachings of all time."--Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre
ReplyDeleteIn addition, the late Sister Lucia said Russia already was consecrated. http://unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/LuciaSlanders.htm
ReplyDeleteAnonymous2
I think a close reading of the decree lifting the excommunication of SSPX bishops is in order. Allow me to direct you all to the last paragraph of the decree:
ReplyDelete"Based on the faculties expressly granted to me by the Holy Father Benedict XVI, in virtue of the present Decree, I remit from Bishops Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson, and Alfonso de Galarreta the censure of latae sententiae excommunication declared by this Congregation on July 1, 1988, while I declare deprived of any juridical effect, from the present date, the Decree emanated at that time."
Normally when we read this part of the decree, we interpret it as simply the lifting of the excommunication of the existing SSPX bishops. We fail to read closely this phrase: "...excommunication declared by this Congregation on July 1, 1988, while I declare deprived of any juridical effect, from the present date, the Decree emanated at that time.""
According to many commentators who are expert in Canon Law, this declaration "de facto" lifts the excommunication of those who were involved in the illicit ordination and have already died, e.g. Archbishop Lefebre. The decree of July 1, 1988 no longer has "any juridical effect".
We may be right in saying that Lefebre died an "excommunicated" but NOW, he is not, as well as all the rest.
AS to the question: are they Catholic (their priests and lay people)? Yes, they are.
Are their priests validly ordained? Yes.
Are their priests in regular status? Certainly NOT.
I am optimistic that very soon, we will find them regularized in our One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
If I am not mistaken, I read somewhere that then-Cartidnal Ratzinger said that JPII the Great indeed consecrated Russia. This was to pacify a group of Fatima fanatics who, up to now, still insist that the 3rd secret is not yet fulfilled and that Russia still needs consecration. On this issue, Rome has already clearly spoken.
ReplyDeleteBakit po tayo galit na galit sa mga Traditionalists? Sa palagay ko kahit papano may magandang naibubunga ang mga Traditionalists na ito sa Simbahan. Maaaring nakakatulong sila para lingunin ng Simbahan ang nakaraan nito. Maraming nagsasabi na ang Simbahan ngayon ay "Open-minded" na, di tulad noon na "makitid" ang utak ng Simbahan dahil sa palagay nito sa sarili niya na nasa kanya lamang ang katotohanan. Isang bagay na nagpapakita na ang Simbahan ay naging maangas sa loob ng labing siyam na siglo at ngayon lang ito bumait.
ReplyDeleteBakit po tayo galit na galit sa mga Traditionalist tulad nina Fr. Gruner at Bishop Lefebvre? Bakit po sa mga katulad nina John Main at Laurence Freeman na nagturo ng prayer using "mantra" ok lang walang nagrereact ng ganyan. Are they still faithful sa Tradition natin? Bakit po kay Anthony De Mello na kahalintulad na kahalintulad ng Yoga ang itinuturo, bakit hindi tayo nagagalit ng ganyan? Faithful pa po ba sila sa Tradition natin? Richard Rohr teaching us to adopt the use of Enneagram which originated sa Sufism,bakit ang mga ganito ok lang sa Simbahan? THIS ARE NEW AGE PRACTICES, bakit po walang ginagawa ang mga Obispo natin sa mga Catholic Bookstores na nagtitinda ng mga Aklat nila?
Bakit sila walang "excommunication" sa pagtuturo ng mga bagay na hindi itinuro ng Simbahan? Bakit yung mga Traditionalists gigil na gigil tayo? Naniniwala po ako na mabuti ang intention ng mga Traditionalists, they are calling us to look back on the traditions of our forefathers.
Bakit po yung ilang Jesuits na nagtuturo na nang hindi turo ng Simbahan e walang ginawang aksyon ang Simbahan? Pero sa mga Traditionalists agaran ang pag-aksyon? Di po ba double standard yung ganun?
Bakit yung nagtuturo ng "Liberation Theology" na Marxist Philosophy na inihalo sa Christian Theology e ok lang...walang aksyon ang Simbahan at walang nanggigigil sa kanila. Bakit may mga pari sa mga probinsya na sumusuporta sa NPA pero ok lang sa Simbahan?
Sa palagay ko po Padre, dapat nating timbangin ang sitwasyon na ito. Para po sa kin mas mabigat ang sinasabi ng mga Traditionalists na ito kesa sa mga naibigay kong halimbawa sa itaas...
Salamat po
Robert Poblete
[MAMA MARY DIDN'T GIVE THE POPE OFFICIAL FORMULA TO USE FOR CONSECRATION.]
ReplyDeleteSOl de Fatima, September 1985.
"There was no participation of all the bishops, and there was no mention of Russia."
"No. Many Bishops attached no importance to this act."
-Sister Lucia.
(Robert Poblete)
Ang malungkot pa po eh ang mga Catholic Charismatics na nag-a-adapt ng mga teachings ng mga Pentecostal gaya ng "baptsim of the HOly Spirit" e tanggap na tanggap ng SImbahan. Kapag umatend ang isang Katoliko ng Cathoic Life in the Spirit Seminar doon siya "binabaptize ng Holy Spirit" may talk pa about "baptism of the Holy Spirit" but this teaching ay wala sa Tradition ng Simbahan, pero hindi inaalis ng SImbahan o binabago ito..kung tutuusin kahit anong sabihin ng mga Charismatic na ang "baptism of the Holy Spirit" ay hindi isang Sacramento lalabas pa rin na dalawa ang baptism. Isang Sacramento at isang "baptism of the Holy Spirit"...Pero bakit ito hindi inaaksyunan ng Simbahan, at nananatiling ginagawa sa bawat parokya na mayroong Charismatic group.
ReplyDeleteGusto ko lang po linawin na hindi ako galit sa Charismatic group. Ang totoo mataas ang panggalang ko sa kanila. Miyembro rin nito ang mahal kong gf, at malaki ang naitulong niya at ng Community nila sa pagbalik ko sa Catholic Faith, pero sana naman po wag tayong magalit sa mga Traditionalists na ang hangad lamang ay bumalik tayo sa mga tradition natin at wag mag-adapt ng mga turo ng mga Protestante gaya ng naibigay kong halimbawa, o kaya ng mga ibang religion gaya ng yoga o kaya ay ideology na labag sa turo ng Cristianismo gaya ng "liberation theology"...
salamat po.
(Robert Poblete)
Proof the Russia was already consecrated from the Seer of Fatima herself: Lucia dos Santos
ReplyDeleteLetters of Sr. Lucia Santos, OCD on the Consecration
Letter 1: To Sr. Mary of Bethlehem
J.+ M. Pax Christi
Dear Sister Mary of Bethlehem:
Received your letter and, although I have very little time at my disposal I will answer your question which is: Is the Consecration of the world, according to the request of Our Lady, made?
On Oct. 31, 1942, His Holiness Pius XII made the Consecration. I was asked if it was made as Our Lady requested. I answered "NO," because it was not made in union with all the bishops of the world.
Later, on May 13, 1967, His Holiness Paul VI made the Consecration. I was asked if it was made as Our Lady requested. I responded "NO," for the same reason, it was not made in union with all the bishops of the world.
On May 13, 1982, His Holiness John Paul II made the Consecration. I was asked if it was made. I responded "NO." It was not made in union with all the bishops of the world.
Then this same Supreme Pontiff, John Paul II wrote to all the bishops of the world asking them to unite with him. He sent for the statute of Our Lady of FƔtima -- the one from the little Chapel to be taken to Rome and on March 25, 1984 - publicly - with the bishops who wanted to unite with His Holiness, made the Consecration as Our Lady requested. They then asked me if it was made as Our Lady requested, and I said, "YES." Now it was made.
Why this urgency of God that this Consecration should be made in union with all the bishops of the world? Because this Consecration is a call for unity of all Christians - The Mystical Body of Christ - whose head is the Pope, the one, true representative of Christ on earth to whom the Lord confided the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and on this union depends the faith in the world and the charity which is the bond that must unite all of us in Christ, as that which He wants, and as He asked the Father: "As You, O Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You have sent Me. . . I in them, and You in Me; that they be made perfect in one, and the world may know that You have sent Me and have loved them as You have loved Me" (John 17:21-23).
As we see of the union depends the faith and the charity that must be the bond of our union in Christ, whose true representative on earth is the Pope.
A hug to your mother and my greetings to the rest of the family in union with prayers.
Coimbra, August 29,1989
Sr. Lucia
http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/FatimaConsecration.htm
• The Catholic Faith is founded on the very divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Word of God, who came down on earth to save men from their sins and lead them to Heaven with Him. He entrusted his apostles and their successors not only the Truth He taught but also the example of holiness He gave them and the seven sacraments as means of grace. That most holy deposit has been handled down faithfully through the ages in and by the Catholic Church, and shines especially in her saints. As Pope Pius IX taught, the Holy Ghost has been promised to Peter and his successors not to teach new doctrine but to keep entirely and expose faithfully this deposit of faith.
ReplyDeleteThe Catholic Church is the Church founded by Jesus Christ on Simon bar Jonah, whose name was changed to Peter as the rock “Petros” of foundation( cf Matthew 16:18). It is then to Peter before Christ ascended into heaven that the authority and the responsibility in feeding the Lord’s Sheep and lamb was given (cf John 21:1-17). Together with his brother apostles, they are given the responsibility to go out into the world and preach the gospel. This mission being far from full accomplishment is entrusted to the Successors of the Apostles, our bishops and the Successor of Peter, the Pope. It is to the pope that the gift of infallibility is entrusted so that he may confirm the faith not making new doctrines. That is why in Vatican II, Blessed John XXIII says in his opening speech in Vatican II “The greatest concern of the Ecumenical Council is this: that the sacred deposit of Christian doctrine should be guarded and taught more efficaciously.” (Gaudet Mater Ecclesia).
• The Traditional latin mass has always been at the heart of the Church; in it the work of redemption is continued and applied to the faithful; they unite themselves to the sacrifice of Our Lord Jesus Christ and are fed by His very Body and Blood to become one victim with him so as to be glorified with him.
ReplyDeleteThe MASS- as the sacrament instituted by none other that Christ himself, that is the sacrament in which the bread and wine is turned to the body and blood of our lord for us to consume and have ever lasting life (cf John 16:65). Not the rites of the mass, that is those prayers which have been change from the course of time. That fact can be seen the numerous rite like the Divine liturgy of St. John Chrysostom of the byzantine tradition in eastern catholic Churches, they have change in time but the words of institution remains the same. Tell us where latin was used by Jesus in the bible? What teaching of the Church that affirms Jesus used latin? What evidence can you give that only latin mass is permissible? The divine liturgy of Saint clement of Rome is a fact that the Church of Rome herself used another language in her mass.
• To these treasures the Society of Saint Pius X has been faithful from the very beginning. IT was founded perfectly canonically by the local bishop in 1970, and grew steadily ever since.
The Society of Saint Pius X may have strong adherence to the liturgical discipline prior to Vatican II. But Pope John Paul II says their notion to Tradition is incomplete and contradictory (cf “Ecclesia Dei”). The first seminary and seminarians of the SSPX were approved by bishop Francois Charriere of Laussane, Geneva and Fribourg. However in 1974, Pope Paul VI has sent special commission of cardinals for an apostolic visitation. However, Archbishop Lefebvre began to question the authority of this apostolic visitor and made a controversial tatement presenting “two” romes: “eternal” and “modernist”. Bishop Mamie , who succeeded Bishop Charriere, was forced to take disciplinary action and withdrew the approval of the SSPX. Later, Paul VI suspended Msgr Lefebvre in conferring any holy order. Pope Bendict XVI in his letter to the bishops that “until the doctrinal questions are clarified, the Society has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministers – even though they have been freed of the ecclesiastical penalty – do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church”. (march 10, 2009). They re however growing and spreading without the approval of local ordinaries this is true to the case of the presence of SSPX here in Davao. Persisting that they are in good standing in the Church even if the Pope himself had said they have no canonicals tatus.
It would best to note that the SSPX are now opposed not because of their adherence to the old practices or discipline but because of their attitude towards the second Vatican Ecumenical Council. In fact in the Protocol Agreement Signed by Marcel Lefebvre and then-Cardinal Ratzinger were not forced to celebrate the reformed missal, but rather recognize the legitimacy of “according to the rites in the typical editions of the missal and rituals of the sacraments promulgated by Popes Paul VI and John Paul II.” It is true that the venerable tridentine mass was not abrogated as Benedict XVI says in his letter accompanying to bishops, but the same pope confirms the retention of suspension and the absence of the canonical status of SSPX. Therefore, even if they are promoting the older missal, it is not lawful for them to celebrate mass in the 1962 edition of the Roman missal. The fault then lies on the SSPX why they remain canonically suspended is because of their resistance to the reforms of Vatican II and not to those who wish to suppress tradition as Tradition is kept and interpreted by the magisterium: the pope and bishops.
• But this fidelity to the Tradition of the Church did not please those who were intent in changing everything after the Second Vatican Council. Persecution came upon the Society of Saint Pius X, trying to force them to take up the novelties, especially the new mass.
ReplyDeleteThe SSPX are condemned because of their inability to accept in whole the decrees of the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council. In fact Pope John Paul II knew well that their adherence of to the older discipline of the Roman rite is to be respected (Ecclesia Dei) and to settle the issue send then-cardinal Ratzinger to have an agreement provided threy respect the liturgical reforms brought by Paul VI. These liturgical reforms are not novelties but rather a legitimate exercise of the Roman pontiff who has the powers of the keys.
The Pauline mass, is not completely “new” in a sens it popped out from nowhere, rather it developed from the trideintine mass.... just as the tridentine mass sprung from the Gregorian sacramentary and the Gregorian sacramentary to the gelasian Sacramentary and so forth... in fact the ordinary of the Pauline mass has still maintained the essential prayers which can be found in the tridentine mass.
• But is it not right of each priest and layman to remain faithful to what he received from the Church? Nay, it is his very duty! That fidelity to the Mass of all times has been vindicated by Pope Benedict XVI, when he declared in Summorum Pontificum that the Traditional Latin Mass was never abrogated: this implicitly means that those who tried to suppress it in the 1970’s were doing the wrong thing. Pope Benedict thus wrote: “What earlier generations held as sacred, remains sacred and great for us too, and it cannot be all of the sudden entirely forbidden or even considered as harmful. It behoves all of us to preserve the riches which have developed in the Church’s faith and prayer and to give them their proper place”
TO generalize that the Mass of Saint Pius V is “the mass of all time” is a reckless generalization. It must be noted that the tridentine mass was not the exact ritual use by Jesus or the apostles in the early time of the church. There were people who had given the faculty to celebrate it such a spadre Pio and Saint Escriva because they asked the pope. They celebrated the mass in communion with Pope Paul VI. However the reason why SSPX was forbade to say this mass because Paul VI saw the danger the SSPX pose when they use this venerable mass for their cause:
“...in your case, the old rite is in fact the expression of a warped ecclesiology, and a ground for dispute with the Council and its reforms under the pretext that in the old rite alone are preserved, without their meaning being obscured, the true sacrifice of the Mass and the ministerial priesthood. We cannot accept this erroneous judgment, this unjustified accusation, nor can We tolerate that the Lord's Eucharist, the sacrament of unity, should be the object of such divisions (cf. I Cor. 11:18), and that it should even be used as an instrument and sign of rebellion.” (Letter of Paul VI to Marcel Lefebvre, October 11, 1976)
This is what The Society of Saint Pius X has been doing all those years. When one says that the canonical situation of the Society of Saint Pius X is irregular, whose fault? Not the SSPX’s but it was the fault of those trying to suppress Tradition.
ReplyDeleteWhat the SSPX has been doing is teaching us that the novus ordo has “Protestant elements” and that we are not obliged to attend it for its protestant elements.It is Pope Benedict XVI who clearly says that until “the doctrinal questions are clarified, the Society has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministers – even though they have been freed of the ecclesiastical penalty – do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church. Tradition can never be suppress and its principal keeper and makes it available to all is the Pope and the bishops teaching in communion with him. IT is not in the faculty of the SSPX especially in its supended status to evaluate Tradition.
• Now it is a fact in many places, these riches of the Tradition of the Church has been- abusively- forbidden priests were not allowed to offer the Traditional Latin Mass nor were the faithful allowed to assist. Many of these faithful had been wounded by the novelties, the scandals, - not only the moral scandals that have afflicted the Church after Vatican II, but the very scandals of novelties in the doctrine,
The crisis of the faith after Vatican II did not sprung from the council but from the sexualrevolution that arouse in the 1960s.After Vatican II priest were found themselves in favour of the new order of the mass because the it has released them from the strict rubrics.
• priest s no longer believing in the necessity of the Catholic faith for Salvation, and even sometimes not believing in The Real Presence of Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament.
Vatican II affirmed the real presence of Christ and the Catholic faith which was handed for how many years. Therefore it is truly unjust to contribute it to Vatican II about these internal problems because it has specifically counter these problems.
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The way they treat the Blessed Sacrament is often a scandal. Communion in hand has led many to lose faith in that Dogma.
• Communion in hand has been a long practice in the Church in the ancient times. There are still people who receive to communion kneeling without going to confession. The Church has done it best to cathecize- especially the young- of the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
Local Levites passed by those souls wounded by these scandals and did not cared; local priests pass by and did not care; the society of Saint Pius X, like the Good Samaritan, came by and cared for these souls, healing them and teaching them the Faith of all times, giving them the sacraments of all times and the moral guidance of all times:
ReplyDeleteIt is not fitting and arrogant on the part of the SSPX to liken themselves to the good Samaritan. It is Jesus who heals and brings them to the inn- the Church- to heal the wounded men. The SSPX offers the sacraments despite the Church forbades them so. Is it not ordaining bishops without papal mandate adding wounds and disunity in the Church? Even better, may we ask had they healed the wound they themselves had done to the Church of Christ? For their insults to ordinary form?
• that very same Faith, Very same Sacrament, which you my Lord Bishop, received when you were a young boy.
I would like to remind you that the archbishop is one of the priest who knows how to celebrate this extraordinary form of the Roman rite. The lord archbishop is one of those who were ordained in the old rite and celebrated this mass as his first mass as a newly ordained priest.
Now what would you think of this local Levite and Priest turning around and telling the Good Samaritan, you can’t do this because you are a stranger and have no local jurisdiction?
Is It not the model of the Good Samaritan that of Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself? Yes, these Good Samaritan have jurisdiction, not normal one, but the one given in this time of crisis of Faith by the very principles of the Canon law, the first which is: “the supreme law is the salvation of souls”.
The SSPX on the other hand cannot be compared to the good Samaritan. The Good Samaritan brings healing but the SSPX brings wound in the unity of the Church. When they distributed the pamphlet of the anti novus ordo pamphlet and trying to justify their disobedience to the Roman pontiff, is it not a threat,a direct rebellion to what had the bishop of Rome had promulgated?
Pope Benedict XVI, conscious of this crisis of the church, is currently working for restoring a proper canonical status to the SSP: he has given the freedom to the Traditional Mass as we had asked:
However, the same Motu Proprio Article 5 Section 4 states that states that : “Priests who use the Missal of Bl. John XXIII must be qualified to do so and not juridically impeded.” Then if Pope Benedict XVI has confirmed the canonical suspension of the SSPX, then summorum pontificum cannot be applied to them because it requires that priest are not juridically impeded. This is seconded by the latest instruction “Universae Ecclesiae” Par 19 that states that :” The faithful who ask for the celebration of the forma extraordinaria must not in any way support or belong to groups which show themselves to be against the validity or legitimacy of the Holy Mass or the Sacraments celebrated in the forma ordinaria or against the Roman Pontiff as Supreme Pastor of the Universal Church”. Yet we see them distributed anti forma ordinaria pamphlets and articles and even in this response calling it a “novelty”. DO they not violate this instruction from the Pontifical Commission of Ecclesia Dei?
Local Levites passed by those souls wounded by these scandals and did not cared; local priests pass by and did not care; the society of Saint Pius X, like the Good Samaritan, came by and cared for these souls, healing them and teaching them the Faith of all times, giving them the sacraments of all times and the moral guidance of all times:
ReplyDeleteIt is not fitting and arrogant on the part of the SSPX to liken themselves to the good Samaritan. It is Jesus who heals and brings them to the inn- the Church- to heal the wounded men. The SSPX offers the sacraments despite the Church forbades them so. Is it not ordaining bishops without papal mandate adding wounds and disunity in the Church? Even better, may we ask had they healed the wound they themselves had done to the Church of Christ? For their insults to ordinary form?
• that very same Faith, Very same Sacrament, which you my Lord Bishop, received when you were a young boy.
I would like to remind you that the archbishop is one of the priest who knows how to celebrate this extraordinary form of the Roman rite. The lord archbishop is one of those who were ordained in the old rite and celebrated this mass as his first mass as a newly ordained priest.
Now what would you think of this local Levite and Priest turning around and telling the Good Samaritan, you can’t do this because you are a stranger and have no local jurisdiction?
Is It not the model of the Good Samaritan that of Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself? Yes, these Good Samaritan have jurisdiction, not normal one, but the one given in this time of crisis of Faith by the very principles of the Canon law, the first which is: “the supreme law is the salvation of souls”.
The SSPX on the other hand cannot be compared to the good Samaritan. The Good Samaritan brings healing but the SSPX brings wound in the unity of the Church. When they distributed the pamphlet of the anti novus ordo pamphlet and trying to justify their disobedience to the Roman pontiff, is it not a threat,a direct rebellion to what had the bishop of Rome had promulgated?
Pope Benedict XVI, conscious of this crisis of the church, is currently working for restoring a proper canonical status to the SSP: he has given the freedom to the Traditional Mass as we had asked:
However, the same Motu Proprio Article 5 Section 4 states that states that : “Priests who use the Missal of Bl. John XXIII must be qualified to do so and not juridically impeded.” Then if Pope Benedict XVI has confirmed the canonical suspension of the SSPX, then summorum pontificum cannot be applied to them because it requires that priest are not juridically impeded. This is seconded by the latest instruction “Universae Ecclesiae” Par 19 that states that :” The faithful who ask for the celebration of the forma extraordinaria must not in any way support or belong to groups which show themselves to be against the validity or legitimacy of the Holy Mass or the Sacraments celebrated in the forma ordinaria or against the Roman Pontiff as Supreme Pastor of the Universal Church”. Yet we see them distributed anti forma ordinaria pamphlets and articles and even in this response calling it a “novelty”. DO they not violate this instruction from the Pontifical Commission of Ecclesia Dei?
• he has suppressed the “excommunication” of 1988(which we always considered it invalid),
ReplyDeleteIt was a valid excommunication even if you deny it. Remember that the excommunication was lifted because Bernard Fellay asked for it. You justify it by stating your own evaluation on the canon law, but its final effect and its final evaluation rest on the pope and this was confirmed by Bl. Pope John Paul II in his letter “Ecclesia Dei”
Pope Benedict has explain his hopes on his remmision on the excommunication of the SSPX “I hope that this gesture of mine will be followed by an earnest commitment on their behalf to complete the necessary further steps to achieve full communion with the Church, thus witnessing true fidelity to, and true recognition of, the Magisterium and the authority of the Pope and the Second Vatican Council.” (Benedict XVI, general Audience January 8, 2009). Now let us ask, has the SSPX recognizes the full authority of the Pope and the entire teachings of the Second Vatican Council?
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in such a way that no one can say we are not in the Catholic Church;
Yet how cone they do not think with the catholic Church? The Pauline Mass, Ecumenism, collegiality of bishops, all of which are taught by Vatican II which is a part of the solid magisterium. If one is in the Catholic Church one must obey the pope and bishops especially when they evaluate the laws of the Church, Tradition and scriptures.
• he has done the theological discussions we had asked and now offering a proper canonical status. It is certainly not time for bishops to go in the opposite direction.
Suppose to be both parties are to be silent and wait what will be the result in the discussion. But here are 3 priests from the SSPX, came to seminar without invitation and arrogantly distributed anti forma ordinaria pamphlets right infront of our archbishop and to the faithful of davao who wants to have a clear understanding of Summorum Pontificum. You want us to be silent while you took away the flockof Christ under the care of the bishop? NAY! that we cannot allow
• For the Honor of God and in devotion to the immaculate Heart of Mary, a Rosary Crusade is being organized on October 7,8 and 9 for three intentions:
• to fulfil our lady’s request at Fatima to do reparation in honour of Her Immaculate heart
“Dear Brother, do not permit that the year dedicated in a very special way to the Mother of God should bring another wound to her Mother’s Heart!” (John Paul II to Marcel Lefebvre, June 1988).
• 2) to pray for Pope Benedict XVI to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary
Pope John pAul II has already done this and the soviet union has already collapsed. This was already confirmed by the visionary of Fatima, Sister Lucia dos Santos.
and 3) to defeat the RH bill being debated in the Congress.
Just gain Iota of acceptance to the local faithful who have little knowledge of you? You really add up to confusion
The SSPX prays much for the Pope. ;-) And, is praying for him to stand up to the many novelties of today.
ReplyDeleteWe are not dealing with a case of heresy. One cannot say in correct and exact terms that there is a schism. There is, in the act of ordaining bishops with out papal approval, a schismatic attitude. They are within the confines of the Church. The problem is just that there is a lack of a full, a more perfect – and as it was said during the meeting with Msgr. Fellay – a more full communion, because communion exists. --- Castrillon
[Bakit po tayo galit na galit sa mga Traditionalists?]
ReplyDeleteHINDI KAMI GALIT SA TRADITIONALISTS. ANG MGA SSPX AY HINDI TRADITIONALISTS THEY ARE ANTI-POPES, ANTI VATICAN II AND ANTI-PAULINE MASS.
[Sa palagay ko kahit papano may magandang naibubunga ang mga Traditionalists na ito sa Simbahan.]
ANG MGA TUNAY NA TRADITIONALISTS MAY MABUTING NAIBUBUNGA TULAD NI CARDINAL RATZINGER NAGING PAPA. NI CARDINAL SIN NA NAGING BAYANI. PERO SI LEFEBVRE NAGING TRAIDOR SA SANTO PAPA.
[ Maaaring nakakatulong sila para lingunin ng Simbahan ang nakaraan nito.]
ANG SIMBAHAN AY HINDI LUMIMOT SA NAKARAAN NIYA. ANG SSPX ANG NAKALIMOT SA NAKARAAN DAHIL HINDI NAMAN LAHAT NG MISA NG SIMBAHAN AY LATIN AT TLM NUONG NAKARAAN. AT ANG NAKARAAN NG SIMBAHAN ANG AUTHORITY ANG POPE HINDI ANG MGA LUMALABAN SA POPE. ANG LUMALABAN SA POPE AY ENEMIES OF THE CHURCH AND THE FAITH KAHIT BALIKAN MO ANG NAKARAAN NG CHURCH.
[ Maraming nagsasabi na ang Simbahan ngayon ay "Open-minded" na, di tulad noon na "makitid" ang utak ng Simbahan dahil sa palagay nito sa sarili niya na nasa kanya lamang ang katotohanan. Isang bagay na nagpapakita na ang Simbahan ay naging maangas sa loob ng labing siyam na siglo at ngayon lang ito bumait.]
ANG SIMBAHAN AY MABAIT NA NUON PA MAN. SHE IS THE CHAMPION OF CHARITY AND CHRISTIAN VIRTUES.
[Bakit po tayo galit na galit sa mga Traditionalist tulad nina Fr. Gruner at Bishop Lefebvre?]
ReplyDeleteDAHIL TAKSIL SILA SA SANTO PAPA AT DISOBEDIENT SA MGA OBISPO.
[ Bakit po sa mga katulad nina John Main at Laurence Freeman na nagturo ng prayer using "mantra" ok lang walang nagrereact ng ganyan.]
SINONG NAGSABI SA YO NA TANGGAP NAMIN SILA? WE ALSO REJECT THEM. THERE IS NO USE OF MANTRA IN THE PAULINE MASS.
[Are they still faithful sa Tradition natin?]
SIEMPRE HINDE!
[Bakit po kay Anthony De Mello na kahalintulad na kahalintulad ng Yoga ang itinuturo, bakit hindi tayo nagagalit ng ganyan?]
ANONG HINDI E NAGLABAS NGA NG DOCUMENTO ANG SACRED CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH NA NAGSASABI NG MGA MALI SA TURO NI ANTHONY DE MELLO. HELLO, KULANG KA YATA SA INFORMATION.
[Faithful pa po ba sila sa Tradition natin?]
MAY MGA TURO SIYANG TAMA SUBALIT MERON DING MGA MALI AT ANG MALING IYON AY INILABAS NG HOLY SEE.
[Richard Rohr teaching us to adopt the use of Enneagram which originated sa Sufism,bakit ang mga ganito ok lang sa Simbahan?]
ANG THEOLOHIYA NI RICHARD ROHR AY HINDI OFFICIAL NA TURO NG IGLESIA CATOLICA AT HINDI KATANGGAP TANGGAP SA OFFICIAL TEACHING NG SIMBAHAN ANG PAGGAMIT NG ENNEAGRAM. SINONG BALIW ANG NAGSABI SA IYO NA OK ITO SA SIMBAHAN?
[THIS ARE NEW AGE PRACTICES, bakit po walang ginagawa ang mga Obispo natin sa mga Catholic Bookstores na nagtitinda ng mga Aklat nila?]
ReplyDeleteNASASABI MO LANG NA WALANG GINAGAWA ANG SIMBAHAN DAHIL IGNORANTE KA SA GINAGAWA NG SIMBAHAN LABAN SA NEW AGE. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH RELEASED OFFICIAL DOCUMENT AGAINST NEW AGE. BASAHIN MO IYON.
[Bakit sila walang "excommunication" sa pagtuturo ng mga bagay na hindi itinuro ng Simbahan?]
DAHIL HINDI NAMAN SILA GUMAWA NG MGA BAGAY NA EXCOMMUNICABLE NA KAGAYA NI LEFEBVRE. SI LEFEBVRE AY SUMOBRA NA SA KANYANG KALAPASTANGANAN KAYA NA EXCOMMUNICATE. ANG IBANG ITO AY PINAGBAWALAN NG MAGTURO SA MGA CATHOLIC UNIVERSITIES AT PINAGALITAN SUBALIT KUMIKILOS SILA WITH DISCRETION.
[Bakit yung mga Traditionalists gigil na gigil tayo?]
WRONG. HINDI KAMI GIGIL NA GIGIL SA MGA TRADITIONALIST DAHIL KAMI ANG TRADIONALISTS. GIGIL NA GIGIL KAMI SA MGA SSPX KASI NAGKUKUNWARING TRADITIONALISTS PERO MGA TRAIDOR SA SANTO PAPA, SA COUNCIL AT SA LOCAL BISHOPS. IKAW OK LANG BA SA IYO ANG MGA TRAIDOR? WALANG TRADITIONALIST NA TRAIDOR SA TRADITION. ANG UPHOLDER NG TRADITION AY ANG SANTO PAPA.
[Naniniwala po ako na mabuti ang intention ng mga Traditionalists, they are calling us to look back on the traditions of our forefathers.]
ANG PAGSUWAY SA SANTO PAPA AY HINDI LOOKING BACK TO TRADITION BUT REJECTION OF TRADITION. HINDI TRADITION NG SANTA IGLESIA ANG DOCTRINANG "TML ALONE"
[Bakit po yung ilang Jesuits na nagtuturo na nang hindi turo ng Simbahan e walang ginawang aksyon ang Simbahan?]
ANONG WALA. MARAMI NA SA KANILA ANG PINAGALITAN NG MGA BISHOPS AT NG SACRED CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH. KUNG MERON MANG IBA ANG SINASABI THEY ARE DOING IT DISCREETLY AT HINDI KAGAYA NI LEFEBVRE NA PUBLIC AND SYSTEMATIC DISOBEDIENCE, NAG FORM PA SIYA NG SOCIETY PARA MAGING INSTRUMENTO NG PAGSUWAY.
[Pero sa mga Traditionalists agaran ang pag-aksyon? Di po ba double standard yung ganun?]
SINONG SIRA ULO ANG NAGSABI SA IYONG AGARAN ANG PAG-ACTION? PANAHON PA NI PAUL VI PINAPAGALITAN NA SI LEFEBVRE SUBALIT NUON LAMANG PANAHON NI JOHN PAUL THE GREAT SIYA NA EXCOMMUNICATE. DECADES ANG LUMIPAS, NAPAKARAMING TAON NG PAGPAPASENSIYA. NAKU, PWEDE BA GAMITIN ANG ISIP.
[Bakit yung nagtuturo ng "Liberation Theology" na Marxist Philosophy na inihalo sa Christian Theology e ok lang...]
AY HINDI OK. SILA MAY PINAGALITAN AT SINUWAY NG SANTO PAPA AT NI CARDINAL RATZINGER. SINUNGALING KA DYAN. HE HE HE... THEY WERE REPRIMANDED AND CORRECTED.
[walang aksyon ang Simbahan at walang nanggigigil sa kanila.]
IGNORANTE KA LANG SA BAGAY NA IYAN O KAYA AY NAGBUBULAG BULAGAN. HE HE HE...
KUNG HINDI KA KULANG SA PAG-AARAL, ANG NAGPABAGSAK NG COMMUNISM SA EASTERN EUROPE AY SI BLESSED POPE JOHN PAUL THE GREAT HINDI SI GRUNER O SI LEFEBVRE. HE HE HE... KUNWARI GALIT SA COMMUNISM MGA INUTIL NAMAN SILA LABAN SA COMMUNISM. DITO SA PILIPINAS SI CARDINAL SIN ANG LUMABAN SA COMMUNISM AT SA DICTATORSHIP HINDI SI LEFEBVRE. HE HE HE...
[Bakit may mga pari sa mga probinsya na sumusuporta sa NPA pero ok lang sa Simbahan?]
SINONG PARI ANG SUMUSUPORTA SA NPA? NASA PROBINSIYA AKO NAKA-ASSIGN. SORSOGON PROVINCE PA. NANGGALING AKO NG BULACAN AT PAMPANGA. SUBALIT WALA AKONG NAKILALANG PARI NA SUMUPORTA SA NPA. NAKU, GUNI-GUNI MO LANG IYAN. GALIT NGA ANG NPA SA MGA LOCAL PRIESTS DAHIL SA PAGTATAYO NG BASIC ECCLESIAL COMMUNITIES DAHIL LUMALAKAS ANG INFLUENCE NG SIMBAHAN LABAN SA NPA. HE HE HE...
[Sa palagay ko po Padre, dapat nating timbangin ang sitwasyon na ito.]
IKAW ANG WALA SA TIMBANG. TINIMBANG KA NGUNIT KULANG. KULANG KULANG ANG IYONG PAG-IISIP AT PANG-UNAWA. NALOKO KA NG MGA TRAIDOR SA SANTA IGLESIA KAYA ANG TINGIN MO SA KANILA AY TRADIONALISTS KAHIT MGA AHAS NA MANLALASON NG ISIP NG MGA KAGAYA MO.
[ Para po sa kin mas mabigat ang sinasabi ng mga Traditionalists na ito kesa sa mga naibigay kong halimbawa sa itaas...]
TALAGANG UTO-UTO KA SA MGA PINAGSASABI NILA. NAGPAGAGO KA SA MGA PEKENG TRADITIONALISTS. KAWAWA KA NAMAN.
I think a close reading of the decree lifting the excommunication of SSPX bishops is in order. [Allow me to direct you all to the last paragraph of the decree:]
ReplyDeleteTHANK YOU.
["Based on the faculties expressly granted to me by the Holy Father Benedict XVI, in virtue of the present Decree, I remit from Bishops Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson, and Alfonso de Galarreta the censure of latae sententiae excommunication declared by this Congregation on July 1, 1988, while I declare deprived of any juridical effect, from the present date, the Decree emanated at that time."
Normally when we read this part of the decree, we interpret it as simply the lifting of the excommunication of the existing SSPX bishops. We fail to read closely this phrase: "...excommunication declared by this Congregation on July 1, 1988, while I declare deprived of any juridical effect, from the present date, the Decree emanated at that time.""]
I THINK THAT INTERPRETATION IS ERRONEOUS. BECAUSE PRIOR TO THE STATEMENT: "...while I declare deprived of any juridical effect, from the present date, the Decree emanated at that time." THE DECLARATION MENTIONED THE FOUR LIVING BISHOPS BY NAME. THEREFORE THE EFFECT SHALL ONLY BE VALID ON THE FOUR BISHOPS AND IT IS NOT EXTENDED ON THOSE WHOM THE HOLY FATHER DIDN'T SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED.
[According to many commentators who are expert in Canon Law, this declaration "de facto" lifts the excommunication of those who were involved in the illicit ordination and have already died, e.g. Archbishop Lefebre. The decree of July 1, 1988 no longer has "any juridical effect".]
ReplyDeleteTHEY CAN SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT SPECIALLY IF THEY BELONG TO THE SSPX. BUT THE FACT THAT THE FOUR LIVING BISHOPS WERE MENTIONED BY NAME AND LEFEBVRE WAS DELIBERATELY LEFT OUT OF THE LIST THEN IT IS A CATEGORICAL AND EXPLICIT AND DIRECT PROOF THAT THE REMOVAL OF EXCOMMUNICATIONS ARE ONLY EFFECTIVE ON THOSE FOUR ONLY. NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. THE DECREE REFERRED TO THERE IS NOT THE DECREE OF EXCOMMUNICATION OF LEFEBVRE BUT THE DECREE OF EXCOMMUNICATION OF THE FOUR.
EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE EXCOMMUNICATED TOGETHER THE EXCOMMUNICATION WAS HANDED TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM. THE REMOVAL OF ONE DOESN'T MEAN THE REMOVAL OF ANOTHER UNLESS OTHERWISE 'SPECIFICALLY' MENTIONED.
IT MUST NOT BE BASED ON THE OPINIONS OF THE COMMENTATORS BUT ON THE 'SPECIFIC' AND DIRECT AND CATEGORICAL STATEMENT OF THE HOLY SEE.
OPINIONS ARE NICE BUT THE REMOVAL MUST BE UNEQUIVOCAL AND CLEAR.
[We may be right in saying that Lefebre died an "excommunicated"]
IT IS NOT "MAY BE"... IT IS "SURELY". HE HE HE...
[but NOW, he is not, as well as all the rest.]
THIS IS "MAY BE"... BUT IT HAS NO OFFICIAL STATUS UNLESS THE HOLY SEE DECLARED THAT SUCH AN INTERPRETATION IS TRULY CORRECT, THAT INDEED THE EXCOMMUNICATION OF LEFEBVRE HAS BEEN REMOVED. IT IS STILL EFFECTIVE UNLESS OTHERWISE REVOKED BY THE SAME AUTHORITY. UNFORTUNATELY FOR YOU THE AUTHORITY IS THE POPE AND NOT THOSE COMMENTATORS. HE HE HE... IN ADDITION, THE PROVISION IN THE CANON LAW PROHIBITING THE ORDINATION OF BISHOP WITHOUT APPROVAL OF THE HOLY SEE IS STILL ACTIVE AND NOT YET ABROGATED. THE REMOVAL OF LEFEBVRE'S EXCOMMUNICATION SHALL HAVE A TREMENDOUS AND TERRIBLE EFFECT IN THE UNITY OF THE CHURCH. IT WILL ALLOW BISHOPS TO ORDAIN OTHERS TO THE BISHOPRIC WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF THE POPE. THAT IS VERY VERY DANGEROUS.
IT IS OK IF LEFEBVRE WILL EXPRESS APOLOGY FOR WHAT HE HAS DONE. THEN THE EXCOMMUNICATION CAN BE REMOVED BECAUSE OF ADMISSION OF ERROR. BUT IN THE ABSENCE OF APOLOGY AND REPENTANCE FROM ERROR IT IS DANGEROUS TO MAKE A CANONICALLY AND ECCLESIALLY EVIL ACT AS IF IT IS "OK". NO, NO, NO.
[AS to the question: are they Catholic (their priests and lay people)? Yes, they are.]
BY NAME, BUT BASED ON OUR ACTUAL ENCOUNTER WITH THEM THAT IS VERY QUESTIONABLE. THEY ARE CALLING THE HOLY SEE MODERNIST AND THE POPE 'HERETICAL'. THEY ARE JUSTIFYING DISOBEDIENCE TO THE POPE... THAT IS VIOLATION OF THE DOGMA OF THE POPE'S SUPREME AUTHORITY OVER THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH WHICH IS DIRECT AND ABSOLUTE. THAT IS VIOLATION OF THE VATICAN I. HE HE HE... WHICH IS PRIOR TO VATICAN II IF THEY ARE NOT AWARE. HE HE HE...
[Are their priests validly ordained? Yes.]
THE ORTHODOX PRIESTS AND GREGORIO AGLIPAY ARE ALSO VALIDLY ORDAINED. YET, THEY REFUSE TO OBEY THE POPE. WHO CARES IF THEIR ORDINATION IS VALID? IT DOES NOT MAKE THEM CANONICALLY IN COMMUNION WITH THE VICAR OF CHRIST.
[Are their priests in regular status? Certainly NOT.]
DEFINITELY NOT. AND THEY ARE NOT ONLY IRREGULAR THEY DON'T HAVE CANONICAL STATUS. THEY HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO CELEBRATE THE SACRAMENTS IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THE MORE THEY PRETEND TO POSSESS THIS AUTHORITY IN DEFIANCE THE MORE THEY COMMIT SIN AGAINST THE CHURCH AND AGAINST THE LORD WHO GAVE THE SUPREME AUTHORITY TO THE OFFICE OF PETER.
[I am optimistic that very soon, we will find them regularized in our One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.]
IF THEY WILL ACCEPT THE DEMAND OF THE HOLY SEE THEN IT IS POSSIBLE OTHERWISE THEY WILL BECOME A CULT OF THEIR OWN. I AM MORE HOPEFUL THAT MANY OTHER ANGLICAN CLERGY SHALL RETURN TO ROME THAN THE SSPX DOING SO. THE SSPX ARE MORE ANTI-POPES THAN MOST OF THE ANGLICAN CLERGY TODAY. ECONE IS THE NEW CANTERBURY.
["May the Church return to Tradition, but by little steps because it is difficult to do so all at once. Nevertheless, it must be evident that everything is in the process of turning towards normalcy, Tradition, and the teachings of all time."--Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre]
ReplyDeleteIT'S HYPOCRITICAL AND DECEPTIVE. THE TRUE AND PURE TRADITION OF THE CHURCH IS ENTRUSTED TO THE SUCCESSOR OF PETER WHO IS THE DEFINITIVE GUADIAN, KEEPER, AND INTERPRETER AS WELL AS DISPENSER OF THE HOLY DEPOSIT OF THE FAITH. LEFEBVRE DISOBEYED AND WAS DEFIANT OF THE SUPREME AUTHORITY OF THE POPE AND THEREFORE HE VIOLATED THAT SACRED TRADITION.
You are correct Father because the lifting of a decree of excommunication must be express, meaning, those excommunicated must be named if the decree is lifted.
ReplyDeleteOthers not named could be deemed included if there is at least any reference to them.
The SSPX may interpret it to their favor all they want but who decides whose interpretation is correct? Which forum? The proper authorities of the Church, and definitely not the SSPX. Their interpretation is self-serving.
The basis for the lifting of the decree, Father, is they no longer deny the primacy of the Roman Pontiff. Pope Benedict explained that in his interview Light of the World. Lefebvre was long dead to reconsider his view on the Roman Primacy. Death caught up with him and he could no longer change his views.
Furthermore, the decree has no retroactive effect. It states categorically, "while I declare deprived of any juridical effect, FROM THE PRESENT DATE, the Decree emanated at that time," which means that the deprivation of the juridical effect precisely commenced on that present date, i.e., the date of the lifting of the excommunication.
ATTY. MARWIL N. LLASOS, O.P.
[The SSPX prays much for the Pope. ;-) And, is praying for him to stand up to the many novelties of today.]
ReplyDeleteHA HA HA... THAT IS HYPOCRITICAL. YOU ARE PRAYING FOR HIM BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE THAT HE IS A MODERNIST WHO MUST CONVERT BACK TO TRADITION. HA HA HA... WHOM WILL YOU FOOL? EXCUSE ME WE ARE NOT BORN YESTERDAY.
[We are not dealing with a case of heresy. One cannot say in correct and exact terms that there is a schism. There is, in the act of ordaining bishops with out papal approval, a schismatic attitude. They are within the confines of the Church. The problem is just that there is a lack of a full, a more perfect – and as it was said during the meeting with Msgr. Fellay – a more full communion, because communion exists. --- Castrillon]
IT IS BECAUSE CASTRILLON DIDN'T HERE THE ATTACKS OF THE SSPX AGAINST THE POPE, THE PAULINE MASS AND THE BISHOPS. SEND THEIR REACTIONS IN FACEBOOK TO THE HOLY SEE AND LET ME SEE IF THE CARDINALS WILL STILL SPEAK THAT WAY. HE HE HE... THEY ARE LAMBS WHEN IN VATICAN BUT THE FOLLOWERS ARE SO FIERCELY ANTI-POPES AND ANTI-VATICAN II AND ANTI-NOVUS ORDO.
THE SSPX ARE HYPOCRITES.
The problem is just that there is a lack of a full, a more perfect – and as it was said during the meeting with Msgr. Fellay
ReplyDeleteSee ayan... thats why THey did not say they are not in "formal schism" but the lack of FULL, A MORE PERFECT means you are in PRACTICAL SCHISM
Wasn’t the consecration of the world by the Pope in 1984 enough to fulfill Our Lady’s request?
ReplyDeleteNo. For her entire life since the apparitions of Our Lady of Fatima, Sister Lucy has insisted that Russia must be specifically mentioned.
For example, in a 1978 interview with her confidant, Father Umberto Pasquale, and in a letter to Father Pasquale in 1980, Sister Lucy was asked the question: “Has Our Lady ever spoken to you about the consecration of the world?” During the interview, Sister Lucy answered:
“No, Father Umberto! Never! At the Cova da Iria in 1917 Our Lady promised: ‘I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia ...’ In 1929, at Tuy, as She had promised, Our Lady came to tell me that the moment had come to ask the Holy Father for the consecration of that country.”
And, in the 1980 letter (dated April 13 of that year), Sister Lucy confirmed what she had said in the interview, stating in her own handwriting that “Our Lady of Fatima, in Her request, referred only to the consecration of Russia.” Both the 1978 interview and the 1980 letter (photographically reproduced) were published in the May 12, 1982, Italian edition of L’Osservatore Romano.
Does not our own common sense tell us that if Our Lady of Fatima requested the consecration of Russia, then Russia must at least be mentioned in the act of consecration? We might also reasonably ask what possible reason there could be for not uttering one simple word—Russia—in the act of consecrating Russia. No explanation has ever been given for this mysterious omission in the attempted consecrations of 1982 and 1984.
Didn’t the Pope succeed in performing the consecration of Russia in 1984?
ReplyDeleteNo. As Sister Lucy herself declared in a September 1985 interview, the attempted consecration of March 25, 1984, did not satisfy Our Lady’s requests because “there was no participation of the bishops and there was no mention of Russia.” In consecrating the world in general on that date without mentioning Russia, the Holy Father himself acknowledged in the presence of tens of thousands of witnesses, both during and after the ceremony, that the people of Russia were still “awaiting our consecration and confiding.” The next day these statements were reported in the Pope’s own newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano, and the Italian Bishops’ publication, Avvenire.
But doesn’t the “collapse of Communism” after the 1984 consecration ceremony show that Russia is beginning to convert and that the consecration must have been effective, despite its failure to mention Russia?
ReplyDeleteHardly. In 1997 Russia enacted legislation which discriminates against the Catholic Church and in favor of Russian Orthodoxy, Judaism, Islam and Buddhism. Catholic parishes are required to apply for an annual “registration” which can be revoked at will by any local bureaucrat, while priests and nuns are given only three-month visas which cannot be renewed. The Vatican has condemned the new law as a great setback for the Church in Russia.
In all of Russia today there are some 300,000 Catholics—fewer than there were in 1917, the same year Our Lady came to Fatima and promised the ultimate conversion of Russia, which has yet to occur. The Russian Revolution, which has been exported in various forms to other nations, confirms Our Lady’s prophecy of the spread of Russia’s errors throughout the world. Today Muslims outnumber Catholics ten-to-one in Russia. Compare this with the true miracle of conversion which occurred after the apparition of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico in the 16th Century: within nine years some 9 million Aztecs turned from devil-worship and human sacrifice and were converted and baptized as Catholics. Yet in Russia today, more than 14 years after the supposed “consecration” of 1984, we see barely a trickle of converts, and fewer Russian Catholics overall than there were 80 years ago!
Even the Russian Orthodox patriarch, Alexi II, publicly admitted on December 24, 1998, that since the supposed “fall of communism” in Russia, Christian culture “is not only being pushed into the background and oblivion, but is also being mocked and ridiculed ... as something extinct and unnecessary.” Alexi also decried the “rise of neo-paganism ... totalitarian sects, black magic practitioners, astrologers, and occultists” in “post-communist” Russia.
Meanwhile, Boris Yeltsin has been forced to cede power to the Communist-dominated Russian parliament, and his new prime minister, the former head of the dreaded KGB, has placed Communists in control of the entire Russian economy, producing what even the liberal NY Times has called “a shift to the left” and a return to Soviet-style government.
Most telling of all: Since the “consecration” of 1984, more than 600 million children have been slaughtered in the womb around the world—including Russia, where legalized abortion began. The war on the unborn is the greatest war in the history of the world. Thus, it should be obvious to anyone with common sense that the period of peace promised by Our Lady if Russia were properly consecrated has yet to occur.
The conversion of Russia promised by Our Lady of Fatima has simply not happened. This can only mean that the consecration has not been done, for Our Lady’s promises cannot be false.
Ryan said,
ReplyDelete[If I am not mistaken, I read somewhere that then-Cartidnal Ratzinger said that JPII the Great indeed consecrated Russia. This was to pacify a group of Fatima fanatics who, up to now, still insist that the 3rd secret is not yet fulfilled and that Russia still needs consecration. On this issue, Rome has already clearly spoken.]
The Pope has never publicly stated to all the members of the Church that he has performed the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. On the contrary, the Pope’s words as quoted in L’Osservatore Romano demonstrate that he knows the consecration has yet to be done. In view of this, the faithful have every right to petition their Pope for the definitive consecration of Russia. In fact, the God-given right of the faithful to petition the Supreme Pontiff in matters affecting the good of the Church was infallibly defined as Catholic doctrine by two ecumenical councils: Vatican I (1870) and the Second Council of Lyons (1274), and is also guaranteed by the current Code of Canon Law (Canon 212).
The good of the Church and the safety of the whole world demand absolute certainty that the requests of Our Lady of Fatima have been carried out. The matter will be settled only when the definitive consecration is performed, or when the Pope declares in an official, binding way to the whole Church that he has already performed the consecration in a manner sufficient to satisfy Our Lady’s requests. Neither event has occurred, and therefore the matter remains open to free discussion and petitions by the faithful, who have every right to address a matter of such obvious importance for the Church and the world.
Ginagalang ko po kayo bilang pari, sana po kahit konting respeto meron din kayo sa 'kin kahit lay lang ako. Maayos naman po yung pagtatanong ko.
ReplyDeleteSalamat.
Robert Poblete
Kaya po pala, Padre, yung mga sumasalungat sa inyo dito eh anonymous kahit Katoliko kasi medyo may kataliman po kayo magsalita. Ako di po ako anonymous kasi wala po akong masamang intensyon sa pagko-komento ko dito. Sana naman po kung kapwa niyo Katoliko yung kausap niyo konting hinay naman po. Marunong po akong sumalungat ng may respeto sana po kaya niyo rin po kaming sagutin ng may kahit kaonti man lang po na respeto kasi Katoliko rin po kami.
ReplyDeleteSalamat po. Eto na po ang last na comment ko dito sa post na ito.
Robert Poblete
ANG MGA SSPX AY CANONICALLY NOT IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE CHURCH. KAYA NASA LABAS SILA. ANG KANILANG SEPARATION AY HINDI "FORMAL SCHISM" KASI THEY CLAIM TO BE CATHOLICS. BUT KAHIT HINDI FORMAL, PRACTICALLY THEY ARE OUTSIDE DAHIL WALA SILANG AUTHORITY TO EXERCISE THEIR AUTHORITY AS PRIESTS AND BISHOPS. KAYA I AM NOT DEALING WITH CATHOLICS BUT TO THE TRAITORS TO THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS.
ReplyDeleteMAGALANG ANG IYONG PAGTATANONG SUBALIT ANG IYONG PAGLALAHAD NG KAISIPAN AY MAY LASON NG SSPX TEACHINGS. I HAVE TO USE ANTI-DOTES PARA MAGAMOT AT SUPILIN ANG LASON NA TAGLAY NITO. SOME OF THE THOUGHTS YOU EXPRESSED ARE HIGHLY DANGEROUS TO THE SOULS OF THE FAITHFUL.
ReplyDelete[The Pope has never publicly stated to all the members of the Church that he has performed the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. On the contrary, the Pope’s words as quoted in L’Osservatore Romano demonstrate that he knows the consecration has yet to be done. In view of this, the faithful have every right to petition their Pope for the definitive consecration of Russia.]
ReplyDeleteTHE HOLY SEE HAS ALREADY RELEASED AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT AND SIS. LUCIA OF FATIMA HERSELF WROTE THAT THE CONSECRATION HAD BEEN FULFILLED. THE PROBLEM IS ON THOSE WHO REFUSED TO BELIEVE. THEY ARE STUBBORN IN NON BELIEF.
[In fact, the God-given right of the faithful to petition the Supreme Pontiff in matters affecting the good of the Church was infallibly defined as Catholic doctrine by two ecumenical councils: Vatican I (1870) and the Second Council of Lyons (1274), and is also guaranteed by the current Code of Canon Law (Canon 212).]
THEY CAN PETITION AS MUCH AS THEY WANT BUT WHEN THE POPE EITHER IN PERSON OR THROUGH OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF THE HOLY SEE CLARIFIED THAT IT IS DONE THEN IT IS DONE. WE CANNOT BE MORE AUTHORITATIVE THAN THE POPE.
[The good of the Church and the safety of the whole world demand absolute certainty that the requests of Our Lady of Fatima have been carried out.]
NICE WORDS BUT OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY. ACTUALLY THE DECISION NOT TO CONSECRATE RUSSIA IMMEDIATELY WAS MADE BY POPES PRIOR TO VATICAN II NOT BY POST VATICAN II POPES. BLAME THE PRE-VATICAN II POPES IF YOU ARE INSISTENT.
THE POPE KNOWS THAT SUCH A THING MUST BE DONE WITH UTMOST PRUDENCE. THE APPARITION AT FATIMA ALTHOUGH AUTHENTIC IS NOT A DOGMATIC REVELATION. IT DOES NOT HAVE THE POWER AND AUTHORITY OF THE SACRED SCRIPTURES. EVEN OUR LADY DIDN'T FORCE THE POPE AND SHE DIDN'T GIVE THE TIME-TABLE. SHE ALLOWED THE POPES TO TAKE TIME AND TO CHOOSE THE FORMULA THAT HE WILL USE FOR THE ACT.
BESIDES, IT WILL BE DANGEROUS ALSO. IF THE POPE MADE A LOT OF NOISE CLAIMING MIRACLES FOR THE CONSECRATION AND THEN NOTHING HAPPENS THEN HE WILL BECOME A LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD LIKE THE JEHOVAH WITNESSES AND THE BORN AGAIN PREDICTING A LOT OF THINGS THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY.
The matter will be settled only when the definitive consecration is performed, or when the Pope declares in an official, binding way to the whole Church that he has already performed the consecration in a manner sufficient to satisfy Our Lady’s requests.]
HE HE HE... HOLD ON. YOU ARE ALREADY PRETENDING TO BE THE POPE ON SAYING HOW IT MUST BE DONE. EXCUSE ME. THE LADY ONLY SAID THAT IT WILL BE DONE BY THE HOLY FATHER "AT THE END"... THEN, SHE MENTIONED CONSECRATION IN UNION WITH ALL THE BISHOPS OF THE WORLD. THERE IS NOT STATEMENT THERE THAT THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH MUST BE AWARE OF IT. THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS COULD HAVE DONE IT IN A PLACE WITHOUT PARTICIPATION OF THE PEOPLE OUTSIDE OR WITHOUT THEM KNOWING IT.
THE POPE DID IT DURING THE SYNOD OF BISHOPS.
[Neither event has occurred, and therefore the matter remains open to free discussion and petitions by the faithful, who have every right to address a matter of such obvious importance for the Church and the world.]
IF IT IS NOT FULFILLED THE LADY WOULD HAVE APPEARED AGAIN TO REMIND. THE PROBLEM WITH THESE PEOPLE THEY PRETEND TO BE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN THE LADY AND THE POPE. THE MANNER OF WHICH IT WAS TO BE DONE WAS LEFT AT THE DISCRETION OF THE HOLY FATHER. SO THAT YOUR CLAIMS ARE MERE PERSONAL OPINION. ONLY ONE COUNTS AT THE END: "THE DECISION OF THE POPE."
[But doesn’t the “collapse of Communism” after the 1984 consecration ceremony show that Russia is beginning to convert and that the consecration must have been effective, despite its failure to mention Russia?]
ReplyDeleteTHE SOVIET UNION WAS CONVERTED TO A FREE NATION. THAT IS THE CONVERSION. THE REMOVAL AND DEFEAT OF COMMUNISM. WHERE DID OUR LADY SAID THAT THE CONVERSION IS MASS CONVERSION TO THE CHURCH? THAT ONE WILL COME LATER DUE TO THE HARD WORKS OF CATHOLIC MISSIONARIES OR THROUGH PROCESS OF REUNIFICATION WITH THE RUSSIAN ORTHODOX.
YOU ARE READING TO MUCH ON THE PROMISE OF OUR LADY. BESIDES, SHE DIDN'T PROMISE THAT ALL THE PROBLEMS IN RUSSIA WILL BE SOLVED. THERE IS NO INSTANT SOLUTION TO THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS. CONVERSION TO THE TRUE FAITH IS NOT BY SIMPLE MIRACLE BUT BY GRADUAL EVANGELIZATION. EVEN THE LORD JESUS FAILED TO CONVERT ISRAEL DURING HIS 3 YEARS OF MINISTRY. IT WILL BE VERY ARROGANT OF OUR LADY TO CLAIM THAT RUSSIA SHALL BE CONVERTED IN A SINGLE INSTANT.
THE CONSECRATION AIMS TO DEFEAT COMMUNISM THAT IS NOT A FULL GUARANTY THAT ALL THE PROBLEMS OF THE CHURCH IN RUSSIA AND THE WORLD SHALL BE SOLVED. SUCH A THING WILL BE BROUGHT BY THE LORD JESUS IN HIS SECOND COMING.
YOU HARDLY SEE THE GREAT MIRACLE BECAUSE OF YOUR HARDENED HEART. YOU HAVE YOUR OWN AGENDA DIFFERENT FRON THE ONE OF THE POPE AND OF THE LADY.
[Didn’t the Pope succeed in performing the consecration of Russia in 1984?
ReplyDeleteNo. As Sister Lucy herself declared in a September 1985 interview, the attempted consecration of March 25, 1984, did not satisfy Our Lady’s requests because “there was no participation of the bishops and there was no mention of Russia.” In consecrating the world in general on that date without mentioning Russia, the Holy Father himself acknowledged in the presence of tens of thousands of witnesses, both during and after the ceremony, that the people of Russia were still “awaiting our consecration and confiding.” The next day these statements were reported in the Pope’s own newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano, and the Italian Bishops’ publication, Avvenire.]
YES, HE SUCCEEDED. SIS. LUCIA LATER ON CLARIFIED THAT THE POPE HAD FULFILLED THE REQUIREMENTS. YOUR STATEMENT IS ONLY PARTIAL. THERE IS A FOLLOW UP STATEMENT OF SIS. LUCIA SAYING THAT IT WAS ALREADY FULFILLED.
[Wasn’t the consecration of the world by the Pope in 1984 enough to fulfill Our Lady’s request?]
ReplyDeleteYES, SISTER LUCIA WROTE THAT IT DID FULFILL THE REQUEST OF OUR LADY.
[No. For her entire life since the apparitions of Our Lady of Fatima, Sister Lucy has insisted that Russia must be specifically mentioned.
For example, in a 1978 interview with her confidant, Father Umberto Pasquale, and in a letter to Father Pasquale in 1980, Sister Lucy was asked the question: “Has Our Lady ever spoken to you about the consecration of the world?” During the interview, Sister Lucy answered:
“No, Father Umberto! Never! At the Cova da Iria in 1917 Our Lady promised: ‘I shall come to ask for the consecration of Russia ...’ In 1929, at Tuy, as She had promised, Our Lady came to tell me that the moment had come to ask the Holy Father for the consecration of that country.”]
IT IS FULFILLED BECAUSE IN 1984 THE POPE MENTIONED THE PEOPLE WHOSE CONSECRATION SHE WAS AWAITING. THEN THE POPE GRANTED WHAT SHE WAS AWAITING. WHEN DID OUR LADY SAID THAT RUSSIA BE SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED?
[And, in the 1980 letter (dated April 13 of that year), Sister Lucy confirmed what she had said in the interview, stating in her own handwriting that “Our Lady of Fatima, in Her request, referred only to the consecration of Russia.” Both the 1978 interview and the 1980 letter (photographically reproduced) were published in the May 12, 1982, Italian edition of L’Osservatore Romano.]
YOU ARE BEING DECEPTIVE HERE. YOU ARE REFERRING TO THE LETTER DATED 1980 AND THE VATICAN NEWSPAPER DATED 1982. THE CONSECRATION HAPPENED IN 1984. GIVE ME A STATEMENT OF SIS. LUCIA AFTER 1984 THAT THE CONSECRATION DIDN'T HAPPEN YET.
[Does not our own common sense tell us that if Our Lady of Fatima requested the consecration of Russia, then Russia must at least be mentioned in the act of consecration?]
IT IS NOT IMPERATIVE TO MENTION. THE CHURCH IS ALWAYS PRUDENT IN HER ACTS AND STATEMENTS. YOU ARE THINKING LIKE THE JEHOVAH WITNESSES AS IF THINGS ARE TO BE DONE EXACTLY AS THEY WANT IT TO BE BUT EACH TIME THEY WERE DISAPPOINTED. THE CONSECRATION IS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE POPE. OUR LADY NEVER FORCED THE POPE AND RESPECTED HIS DECISIONS. SHE LET IT BE DONE BY THE POPE IN THE TIME AND PLACE HE DEEMS APPROPRIATE AND USING THE FORMULA THAT HE DEEMS APPROPRIATE.
[We might also reasonably ask what possible reason there could be for not uttering one simple word—Russia—in the act of consecrating Russia. No explanation has ever been given for this mysterious omission in the attempted consecrations of 1982 and 1984.]
BECAUSE THE WAYS OF HEAVEN IS NOT OUR WAYS. NOT ALL MIRACLES ARE IMMEDIATE AND DIRECT. IF THE POPE CONSECRATES USING THE WORD RUSSIA THEN SUDDENLY NOTHING HAPPENS IMMEDIATELY THE EXPECTED RESULT WOULD COME 7 YEARS AFTER THEN THE POPE WILL BE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WORLD. HE WILL BE MOCKED AND DERIDED AND MILLIONS MAY LOSE FAITH. THAT IS WHY IT REQUIRES PRUDENCE, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE LADY DIDN'T GIVE AN SPECIFIC TIME-TABLE AND SPECIFIED FORMULA.
SIS. LUCIA DIED PEACEFULLY IN THE CHURCH. SHE MET THE POPE SEVERAL TIMES AND SHE NEVER ACT AS IF DEMANDING TO THE POPE. LIKE OUR LADY SHE WAS RESPECTFUL AND OBEDIENT. AS OUR LADY WAS SILENT DURING THE COUNCIL OF JERUSALEM, LETTING THE APOSTLES DECIDES AND SO SHE WAS RESPECTFUL OF THE POPES. UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE POPISH THAN THE POPE.
[See ayan... thats why THey did not say they are not in "formal schism" but the lack of FULL, A MORE PERFECT means you are in PRACTICAL SCHISM]
ReplyDeleteEVEN IF IT IS NOT FORMAL SCHISM IT IS STILL SCHISM INFORMALLY. MEANING THERE IS NO OFFICIAL AND DEFINITIVE DECLARATION OF SEPARATION BUT THEY ARE ACTUALLY SEPARATED. HE HE HE...
Let's concede that they are Traditionalists--Ultratraditionalts for that matter.
ReplyDeleteTo make it complete: they are the rebellious, impatient, Vatican II-bitterhead Ultratraditionalists.
[WHEN DID OUR LADY SAID THAT RUSSIA BE SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED?]
ReplyDeleteJULY 13, 1917....
"To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the CONSECRATION OF RUSSIA to my Immaculate Heart...."
There was no mention of Russia by name in 1984 consecration. What was consecrated was the world. Is there any problem if the Pope mention Russia in his act of consecration? None. So why not give it a try? I believe there are much more graces in store for Russia and the whole world if it is done as it was requested by Our Lady, more than what we are experiencing today. And also to satisfy the Catholics who are asking for it.
Yes, conversion of Russia will be the fruit of the missionaries' hard work in evangelizing the said country but it is through the Immaculate Heart of Our Lady this triumph will be possible as She had promised.
Fatima Apparition/Message is not just a private revelation. It is a public, prophetic revelation given by the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God. It is not to be confused with "Revelation" or as it is also called, the Deposit of the Faith, which ended with the death of the last Apostle. But public, prophetic revelation must not be despised. The Virgin Mary's prophecy was confirmed by a public miracle and authenticated by a whole line of Popes (since the apparition). Also, its predictions have come true.
ReplyDeleteSo, while belief in the Message of Fatima may not strictly be required of Catholics as an article of faith, one would be very foolish to disregard such an obviously authentic message from Heaven. As St. Paul taught: "Despise not prophecies, but prove all things; hold fast to that which is good." (1 Thess. 5:20-21) The prophecy of Fatima has been proven worthy of belief. We should not despise it, but rather hold fast to what Our Lady told us at Fatima.
[Fatima Apparition/Message is not just a private revelation.]
ReplyDeleteIT IS A PRIVATE REVELATION. PUBLIC REVELATION REFERS TO THE REVELATION CONTAINED IN SACRED SCRIPTURE AND THE ONE HANDED ON BY THE APOSTLES. THAT ONE IS CONSIDERED PRIVATE. A CATHOLIC IS NOT REQUIRED TO CONSIDER THAT PROPHECY AS A DOGMA OF FAITH.
[It is a public, prophetic revelation given by the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God.]
IT IS A MESSAGE GIVEN AS A PRIVATE REVELATION. IF OUR LADY WANTED IT TO BE A PUBLIC REVELATION SHE SHOULD HAVE REQUESTED IT TO BE INSERTED BY ST. JOHN THE BELOVED TO ONE OF HIS EPISTLES. IT IS NOT A PUBLIC REVELATION. REGARDLESS OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO KNOWS OF WHAT SHE SAID TO THE THREE CHILDREN IT IS STILL PRIVATE NOT PUBLIC. THAT IS WHY THE PRE-VATICAN II POPES DECIDED NOT TO REVEAL THE CONTENT OF THE 3RD SECRET. IT WAS POPE JOHN PAUL THE GREAT ONLY WHO ALLOWED ITS PUBLICATION.
IF IT IS A PUBLIC REVELATION IT IS EVIL TO KEEP IT FROM THE PUBLIC. IT MUST BE READ 'OFFICIALLY' AS WORD OF GOD AS EXPRESSED BY OUR LADY. LIKE THE EPISTLE OF PAUL... IT IS THE WORD OF GOD EXPRESSED IN THE WRITINGS OF PAUL.
THE MESSAGE OF FATIMA IS NOT EQUAL WITH THE SACRED SCRIPTURES.
[It is not to be confused with "Revelation" or as it is also called, the Deposit of the Faith, which ended with the death of the last Apostle.]
GOOD THAT YOU KNOW. THAT IS WHY IT IS MERE PRIVATE REVELATION. THE DEPOSIT OF THE FAITH IS PUBLIC REVELATION BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN ENTRUSTED TO THE WHOLE CHURCH. FOR THAT REASON THE BIBLE IS BEING READ OFFICIALLY IN THE LITURGY AND IN WORSHIPS.
[But public, prophetic revelation must not be despised.]
ReplyDeleteIT MUST NOT BE DESPISED JUST LIKE THE MESSAGES OF JESUS TO THE MYSTICS. BUT THEY ARE NOT DOGMAS OF FAITH. AND THE OFFICIAL INTERPRETER OF BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE REVELATION IS THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS. NOT ANY WACKY OLD FOOL LIKE LEFEBVRE.
[The Virgin Mary's prophecy was confirmed by a public miracle and authenticated by a whole line of Popes (since the apparition).]
YEAH, THE POPES FROM PRE-VATICAN II DECIDED NOT TO SHOW IN PUBLIC THE 3RD SECRET. THE ONE WHO OPENED IT TO THE PUBLIC IS BLESSED JOHN PAUL THE GREAT. THE POPES WHO AUTHENTICATED THE APPARITION ALSO DECIDED THAT THE CONSECRATION IS NOT IMMEDIATELY NEEDED. HE HE HE... DO YOU UNDERSTAND? HE HE HE... SO, DON'T BE MORE POPISH THAN THE POPE. OBEY AND LISTEN TO YOUR POPE. JUST LIKE OUR LADY WHO NEITHER ATTACKED NOR INSULTED THE POPE NOR DISOBEY THE POPE.
OUR LADY OBEYED AND RESPECTED THE DECISIONS OF THE POPES NOT TO RELEASE IN PUBLIC THE 3RD SECRET. DID SHE? HE HE HE... IF THAT IS THE CASE MANY PRE-VATICAN II POPES HAVE COMMITTED SIN. HOW COME LEFEBVRE DIDN'T PETITION THE VEN. POPE PIUS XII TO CONSECRATE RUSSIA? HE SHOULD HAVE INSISTED ON PIUS XII. HE HE HE...
[Also, its predictions have come true.]
YEAH, IT CAME TRUE BECAUSE THE POPE CONSECRATED RUSSIA AND COMMUNISM CONSEQUENTLY FELL IN RUSSIA AND EASTERN EUROPE.
[So, while belief in the Message of Fatima may not strictly be required of Catholics as an article of faith,]
GOOD FOR YOU. SO LISTEN AND OBEY YOUR POPE.
[ one would be very foolish to disregard such an obviously authentic message from Heaven.]
THAT IS WHY THE POPES DIDN'T DISREGARD IT. THEY AUTHENTICATED THE APPARITIONS, PROMOTED THE DEVOTIONS AND FINALLY JOHN PAUL THE GREAT CONSECRATED RUSSIA. THE PROBLEM FOR OTHERS IS THAT THEY COMMITTED ANOTHER FOOLISHNESS. WHAT IS THAT? THE FOOLISHNESS OF NOT FOLLOWING THE POPE'S DECISIONS AS REGARDS THE CONSECRATION OF RUSSIA AND THE 3RD SECRET.
[As St. Paul taught: "Despise not prophecies, but prove all things; hold fast to that which is good." (1 Thess. 5:20-21) The prophecy of Fatima has been proven worthy of belief. We should not despise it, but rather hold fast to what Our Lady told us at Fatima.]
IT IS THE HOLY SEE THAT AUTHENTICATED IT AND PROMOTED IT. SO IT IS FOOLISH TO CLAIM THAT THE HOLY SEE OR THE POPE DESPISED IT. O NO, NO, NO... BUT THE POPES ARE NOT FOOLISH TO ACT IMPULSIVELY ON CONSECRATING RUSSIA. AS CHILDREN OF MARY AND MEMBERS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WE OBEY THE WILL OF THE POPES.
[WHEN DID OUR LADY SAID THAT RUSSIA BE SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED?]
ReplyDelete[JULY 13, 1917....
"To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the CONSECRATION OF RUSSIA to my Immaculate Heart...."]
OUR LADY SAID THAT RUSSIA BE CONSECRATED BUT SHE DIDN'T GIVE AN EXACT FORMULA TO BE USED. THE POPE CAN DO THE CONSECRATION OF THAT PARTICULAR NATION WITHOUT MENTIONING THE NAME AS LONG AS OUR LADY KNOWS THAT THE ONE BEING CONSECRATED IS RUSSIA.
THAT CONSECRATION IS BETWEEN THE POPE AND OUR LADY... NOT BETWEEN YOU AND THE VIRGIN. THERE IS NO PROTEST FROM HEAVEN IN THE CONSECRATION DONE IN 1984 EVEN ON CONSECRATION DONE BY POPE PIUS XII PREVIOUSLY. THE PROTESTS COMES FROM PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND NOT FROM OUR LADY OR SIS. LUCIA. THE LAST SEER MET THE POPES AND SHE MET THEM WITH RESPECT AND NO INSISTENCE AT ALL ABOUT THAT MATTER.
THOSE WHO ARE NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT OF THE MESSAGE AND ARE NOT THE ONE REQUESTED TO DO THE CONSECRATION ARE TRYING TO APPEAR AS IF THEY ARE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAN THE POPE. THEY ARE OVER ACTING AND FULL OF DRAMATIZATION. HE HE HE...
[There was no mention of Russia by name in 1984 consecration.]
THE POPE MENTIONED: "The people whose consecration you are awaiting for." SO, THE POPE AND OUR LADY READS THE HEART OF EACH OTHER. WITHOUT MENTIONING THE NAME THE LADY KNEW THAT HER REQUEST WAS GRANTED. THUS, THE MIRACLE OF THE DOWNFALL OF THE SOVIET UNION UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF THE POPE WHO DID THE CONSECRATION. HE HE HE... THE UNIVERSAL HERO AGAINST COMMUNISM IS NOT GRUNNER OR LEFEBVRE BUT JOHN PAUL THE GREAT. HE HE HE...
[What was consecrated was the world.]
WHAT WAS CONSECRATED WAS THE WORLD AND THE PEOPLE WHOSE CONSECRATION OUR LADY WAS WAITING FOR. EVERY BODY KNOWS IT WAS RUSSIA.
[Is there any problem if the Pope mention Russia in his act of consecration? None.]
FOR THE POPES SEEM TO BE 'YES'... THERE IS A PROBLEM. THAT IS WHY IT TOOK THEM DECADES BEFORE ONE OF THEM FINALLY DID SO. HE HE HE... SORRY FOR YOU, THE POPE IS NOT YOU...
[So why not give it a try? I believe there are much more graces in store for Russia and the whole world if it is done as it was requested by Our Lady, more than what we are experiencing today. And also to satisfy the Catholics who are asking for it.]
YOU CAN DIE WAITING FOR SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY DONE. YOU WILL HAVE THE HOPE SIMILAR TO THAT OF THE PEOPLE OF THE OLD COVENANT. THEY ARE IN NEVER ENDING EXPECTATION OF THE RETURN OF THE LORD. NOW YOU ARE IN NEVER ENDING WAITING FOR THE CONSECRATION OF RUSSIA EVEN IF IT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED.
[Yes, conversion of Russia will be the fruit of the missionaries' hard work in evangelizing the said country but it is through the Immaculate Heart of Our Lady this triumph will be possible as She had promised.]
THE FALL OF COMMUNISM IS UNDER THE TRIUMPH OF OUR LADY'S IMMACULATE HEART. IT WAS THE POPE WHOSE MOTTO WAS: "TOTUS TUUS, MARIA" THAT COMMUNISM FELL AND EASTERN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES BECAME DEMOCRACIES.
[But doesn’t the “collapse of Communism” after the 1984 consecration ceremony show that Russia is beginning to convert and that the consecration must have been effective, despite its failure to mention Russia?]
ReplyDeleteTHE HOLY FATHER EXPRESSED TO OUR LADY THAT HE IS CONSECRATING THE PEOPLE WHOSE CONSECRATION SHE IS AWAITING. THEN, IT WAS DONE. IT WAS A MOTHER-SON DIALOGUE IN THE FORM OF CONSECRATION. ONLY MAMA MARY AND THE POPE CAN SAY THAT IT WAS NOT PROPERLY DONE NOT THOSE WHO ARE TRYING TO BE OR 'FEELING' POPE OR HEAVENLY MOTHER. NO, NO, NO...
[Hardly. In 1997 Russia enacted legislation which discriminates against the Catholic Church and in favor of Russian Orthodoxy, Judaism, Islam and Buddhism. Catholic parishes are required to apply for an annual “registration” which can be revoked at will by any local bureaucrat, while priests and nuns are given only three-month visas which cannot be renewed. The Vatican has condemned the new law as a great setback for the Church in Russia.]
WHAT YOU ARE EXPECTING IS TOO MUCH BEYOND THE PROMISE OF OUR LADY. MAMA MARY DIDN'T PROMISE THAT ALL SINFULNESS AND EVIL IN RUSSIA WILL CEASE. EVEN IN COUNTRIES THAT ARE CHRISTIANS THERE ARE THESE EVIL HAPPENING HOW MUCH MORE IN A NEWLY FORMED DEMOCRACY LIKE RUSSIA. WHAT HAS BEEN STATED IS THAT RUSSIA SHALL SPREAD HER ERRORS. WHAT DID SHE SPREAD? COMMUNISM. ABORTION IS SPREAD BY THE UNITED STATES AND THE WEST NOT BY RUSSIA. THEN, AFTER THE CONSECRATION RUSSIAN COMMUNISM COLLAPSED AND IT STOPPED SPREADING. THE PEOPLE OF EASTERN EUROPE WERE FREED FROM COMMUNIST REGIMES. BUT OF COURSE, AFTER THAT THERE WILL STILL BE SINFULNESS AND IMMORALITIES IN RUSSIA AS THERE ARE IN OTHER COUNTRIES. THESE THINGS WILL END AT THE SECOND COMING OF THE LORD.
THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU ARE NARRATING ARE HAPPENING IN THE WORLD AND MOSTLY DUE TO THE ERRORS OF THE WEST AND NOT OF RUSSIA.
[In all of Russia today there are some 300,000 Catholics—fewer than there were in 1917, the same year Our Lady came to Fatima and promised the ultimate conversion of Russia, which has yet to occur.]
THE ULTIMATE CONVERSION OF RUSSIA AND OF THE WORLD WILL COME AT THE SECOND COMING OF THE LORD AND NOT IN THE CONSECRATION OF RUSSIA. IN FACT, OUR LADY ONLY MENTIONED "AND A PERIOD OF PEACE SHALL BE GIVEN TO THE WORLD." IT REFERS TO THE FACT THAT WORLD WAR III WAS AVOIDED BUT OUR LADY HINTED THAT THE PERIOD OF PEACE IS TEMPORARY BECAUSE THERE WILL ARISE OTHER PROBLEMS AS WELL. LIFE WILL GO ON AND SO ARE THE TEMPTATIONS OF MEN AND THE STRUGGLE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL. IN FACT, WHAT CAME OUT AFTER WAS THE TERRORISM OF OSAMA BIN LADEN WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA AT ALL. INSTEAD, IT ALLOWED U.S. FIGHTERS AND SOLDIERS TO BE DEPLOYED IN RUSSIAN TERRITORIES AND NEARBY COUNTRIES SO THAT THE U.S. CAN ATTACK AFGHANISTAN AND LATER IRAQ. THIS WAS UNTHINKABLE DURING COMMUNISTS SOVIET UNION. EVEN PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION PLANE WAS SHOT DOWN BY THE SOVIET REGIME FOR FEAR OF U.S. INVASION.
[The Russian Revolution, which has been exported in various forms to other nations, confirms Our Lady’s prophecy of the spread of Russia’s errors throughout the world.]
ReplyDeleteCORRECT. AND THAT SPREADS OF COMMUNISM STOPPED WHEN RUSSIA WAS CONSECRATED AND FOR THAT THE WORLD HONORS POPE JOHN PAUL THE GREAT AS THE HERO THAT DEFEATED COMMUNISM IN EASTERN EUROPE.
[Today Muslims outnumber Catholics ten-to-one in Russia.]
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA. IT IS NOT THE RUSSIANS THAT SPREADS ISLAM BUT THE ECONOMIC SUPREMACY OF ARAB COUNTRIES DUE TO OIL DOMINANCE. IT IS TOO MUCH STRETCH OF IMAGINATION TO BLAME RUSSIA FOR THAT.
[Compare this with the true miracle of conversion which occurred after the apparition of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Mexico in the 16th Century: within nine years some 9 million Aztecs turned from devil-worship and human sacrifice and were converted and baptized as Catholics.]
THE CONVERSION OF THE AZTECS WAS ACCOMPLISHED BY OUR LADY WITHOUT ANY DEMAND FOR CONSECRATION. GOD DID THAT MIRACLE IN LATIN AMERICA BECAUSE THE PEOPLE OF THE AMERICAS WERE READY FOR CONVERSION. THE PEOPLE OF RUSSIA MUST BE PREPARED FOR CONVERSION. IF THE RUSSIAN HEARTS ARE NOT WILLING TO CONVERT EVEN OUR LADY CANNOT CONVERT THEM. GOD HIMSELF WILL RESPECT THE REFUSAL OF A HEART WHO WILLFULLY REJECT HIS OFFER OF CONVERSION.
CONVERSION MUST BE TWO-SIDED NOT ONE SIDED. THE WILL OF MAMA MARY IS NOT ENOUGH TO CONVERT RUSSIA BUT THE OPENNESS OF THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE TO THE FAITH.
[ Yet in Russia today, more than 14 years after the supposed “consecration” of 1984, we see barely a trickle of converts, and fewer Russian Catholics overall than there were 80 years ago!]
THEN IT IS NOT RELIGIOUS CONVERSION THAT WAS PROMISED BUT CONVERSION FROM COMMUNISM TO FREEDOM.
[Even the Russian Orthodox patriarch, Alexi II, publicly admitted on December 24, 1998, that since the supposed “fall of communism” in Russia, Christian culture “is not only being pushed into the background and oblivion, but is also being mocked and ridiculed ... as something extinct and unnecessary.” Alexi also decried the “rise of neo-paganism ... totalitarian sects, black magic practitioners, astrologers, and occultists” in “post-communist” Russia.]
OF COURSE, ONCE FREEDOM IS ACHIEVED NEW CHALLENGES AND NEW PROBLEMS WILL ARISE. NOT BECAUSE COMMUNISM FELL THEN EVERYTHING SHALL BE ALRIGHT. YOU ARE NOT BEING REALISTIC. YOU ARE DREAMING OF 'FAIRY TALE'... THAT IS MORE PROPER IN DISNEY LAND THAN FATIMA. EVEN WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT DESCENDED THE CHURCH STILL SUFFERED FROM MANY TRIALS AND PROBLEMS AFTERWARDS. IT IS FOOLISH TO THINK THAT BECAUSE THE CONSECRATION OF OUR LADY HAS BEEN FULFILLED THEN RUSSIA SHALL BE FREE OF ALL THESE PROBLEMS... THAT THE CHURCH SHALL BE FREE OF ALL SINFULNESS, TRIALS, DIFFICULTIES, CHALLENGES... NO, NO, NO... YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE PROPHECY IS UTOPIC RATHER THAN BIBLICAL.
[Meanwhile, Boris Yeltsin has been forced to cede power to the Communist-dominated Russian parliament, and his new prime minister, the former head of the dreaded KGB, has placed Communists in control of the entire Russian economy, producing what even the liberal NY Times has called “a shift to the left” and a return to Soviet-style government.]
ReplyDeleteYEAH, MIKHAEL GORVACHEV WAS DEPOSED. BUT THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE REVOLTED IN PEOPLE POWER WHICH FORCED THE COMMUNISTS TO RETURN GORBACHEV TO POWER AND BORIS YELTSIN ROSE TO POWER BECAUSE OF THAT. WHERE DID THEY GET THAT PEOPLE POWER IDEA? FROM THE PHILIPPINES WHOSE PEOPLE POWER IS KNOWN AS "THE MIRACLE AT EDSA" - A MARIAN MIRACLE. ONCE AGAIN IT WAS OUR LADY THAT HELPED THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE.
THE COMMUNISTS CONTROL OF THE PARLIAMENT IS UNDERSTANDABLE. IT WAS SIMPLY PRACTICAL. THE COMMUNISTS WERE IN POWER FOR DECADES, ALMOST A CENTURY. HOW CAN YOU EXPECT THE YOUNG DEMOCRACY TO BE TOTALLY FREE FROM THE COMMUNISTS INFLUENCE? EVEN THE APOSTOLIC CHURCH GOVERNED BY STS. PETER AND THE APOSTLES WERE INFLUENCED BY JUDAIZERS, HOW MUCH MORE THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE.
[Most telling of all: Since the “consecration” of 1984, more than 600 million children have been slaughtered in the womb around the world—including Russia, where legalized abortion began. The war on the unborn is the greatest war in the history of the world. Thus, it should be obvious to anyone with common sense that the period of peace promised by Our Lady if Russia were properly consecrated has yet to occur.]
ABORTION IS NOT A PROBLEM IN RUSSIA ALONE. IT IS ALSO A PROBLEM IN THE WEST. THE ONE THAT PROPAGATED MOST ABORTION IS NOT RUSSIA BUT THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES. SO, IT IS FOOLISH TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE PROPHECY CONCERNING RUSSIA. EVEN IF RUSSIA CONVERTS IF THE UNITED STATES AND ITS DOMINION OF THE UNITED NATIONS WILL NOT BE CONVERTED THEN ABORTION WILL CONTINUE IN THE WORLD.
[The conversion of Russia promised by Our Lady of Fatima has simply not happened. This can only mean that the consecration has not been done, for Our Lady’s promises cannot be false.]
THE CONVERSION OF RUSSIA FROM COMMUNISM TO FREEDOM HAS HAPPENED. THE COLD WAR ENDED AND WORLD WAR III BETWEEN NATO & WARSAW PACT WAS AVOIDED DUE TO THE SPIRITUAL AND MORAL LEADERSHIP OF THE POPE WHO CARRIED THE MOTTO AND BANNER OF THE CROSS AND THE VIRGIN. THE CHURCH WAS VICTORIOUS OVER COMMUNISM THAT FELL APART LIKE CLAY. THE SOVIET EMPIRE IS NO MORE.
WHAT DID NOT HAPPEN IS YOUR PERSONAL INTERPRETATION OF CONVERSION. IT IS YOUR EXPECTATIONS WHICH DIDN'T HAPPEN. YOUR ESCHATOLOGICAL AND MESSIANIC CONCEPT OF TRIUMPH DIDN'T HAPPEN. SORRY FOR YOU. YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN WILL WAIT FOR A CONSECRATION OF A NATION WHICH HAS BEEN CONSECRATED. GET REAL.
[Ang malungkot pa po eh ang mga Catholic Charismatics na nag-a-adapt ng mga teachings ng mga Pentecostal gaya ng "baptsim of the HOly Spirit" e tanggap na tanggap ng SImbahan.]
ReplyDeleteITO NA NAMAN ANG IYONG MGA ILUSYON SA BUHAY BROD E. ANG BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AY HINDI TEACHING KUNDI PRACTICE. ANG BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT KUNG HINDI KA FAMILIAR DIYAN AY BASICALLY PRAYING OVER ANOTHER PERSON SO THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL COME UPON HIM OR HER. THE TERM BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AS A NAME HAS A BIBLICAL BASIS. AND ASKING GOD TO BESTOW BLESSINGS ON ANOTHER PERSON IS NOT HERETICAL ALSO THAT IS BIBLICAL. THE PATRIARCHS AND OTHERS WERE BLESSINGS OTHER PEOPLE. THAT IS ROOTED IN THE BIBLICAL DOCTRINE OF INTERCESSION OF SAINTS.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE PENTECOSTAL IS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE MINISTERIAL PRIESTHOOD. SO THEY CONSIDER THAT ACT AS THEIR MAIN SOURCE OF GRACE. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CHURCH REJECTS THEIR OPPOSITION TO THE SACRAMENT OF PRIESTHOOD. WE BELIEVE THAT THE PRIESTS AS MINISTERS OF THE CHURCH ARE THE DISPENSERS OF SACRAMENTAL GRACE BUT WE DO NOT DENY THAT LAY PEOPLE CAN ALSO PRAY FOR ANOTHER AND INVOKE GOD'S BLESSINGS FOR THEM. THAT IS WHY WE SAY: GOD BLESS YOU... MAY THE LORD BE WITH YOU...
ANOTHER MISTAKE OF THE PENTECOSTAL IS THEIR DISTORTED CONCEPT OF BAPTISM.
NOW, THE CHARISMATIC CATHOLICS DO NOT HAVE PROBLEMS LIKE THAT. THEY DO NOT REJECT THE PRIESTHOOD AND THEY BELIEVE THE CHURCH TEACHINGS ON BAPTISM. THUS, THEIR SO CALLED BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS SIMPLY AN EXPRESSION OF INTERCESSION FOR ANOTHER PERSON.
YOU HAVE FAILED TO DISTINGUISH THE ERRORS OF THE PENTECOSTAL AND YOU APPLY THEM TO THE CATHOLIC CHARISMATICS. THAT IS A MISTAKE. DON'T CONFUSE THEM. IT IS LIKE COMPARING THE LATIN MASS TO THE VOODOO RITUALS BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH DOING RITUALS WHICH PEOPLE CANNOT UNDERSTAND. IT'S UNFAIR ISN'T IT? YET THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO THINKS THAT WAY. OF COURSE THEY ARE WRONG. SO DON'T APPLY THE SAME REASONING ON CHARISMATIC CATHOLICS. THEY ARE DOING MORE GOOD IN THIS WORLD THAN THE SSPX. THEY HAVE CONVERTED MORE PROTESTANTS THAN THE SSPX. THEY HAVE PREVENTED THE CONVERSION OF MORE CATHOLICS TO THE PROTESTANTS THAN THE SSPX. IF THE SSPX IS GROWING BY 10 MEMBERS A YEAR THE CHARISMATICS ARE GROWING MY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS A YEAR.
[ Kapag umatend ang isang Katoliko ng Cathoic Life in the Spirit Seminar doon siya "binabaptize ng Holy Spirit" may talk pa about "baptism of the Holy Spirit" but this teaching ay wala sa Tradition ng Simbahan, pero hindi inaalis ng SImbahan o binabago ito..]
ReplyDeleteANO BA NAMANG MGA KLASE NG UTAK MERON ITONG MGA SSPX NA ITO. MGA UTAK GALAPONG. HE HE HE... ALAM NG LAHAT NA THERE ARE ONLY 7 SACRAMENTS SA CATHOLIC CHURCH. WALANG TURO ANG CATHOLIC CHURCH NA NUMBER 8 IYANG BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.
THAT BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT A SACRAMENT. IT IS JUST A NON-LITURGICAL DEVOTIONAL ACT IMPLORING THE HOLY SPIRIT TO BESTOW HIS GRACES ON A PERSON. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT? THE PENTECOSTAL ARE HERETICAL BECAUSE OF SOLA FIDE, SOLA SCRIPTURA, REJECTION OF THE POPE, ETC. THE CATHOLIC CHARISMATICS DO NOT SPOUSE THEIR HERESY BUT SIMPLY PRAYING OVER A FELLOW CATHOLIC. IF THE CATHOLIC CHARISMATICS WILL BAPTIZE A PERSON TO BECOME BISHOP LIKE WHAT LEFEBVRE DID THEN THEY WILL BE EXCOMMUNICATED ALSO.
YOU ARE TRYING TO FIND EVIL IN CATHOLIC CHARISMATICS WHILE YOU ARE BLIND TO THE EVIL OF SSPX.
[kung tutuusin kahit anong sabihin ng mga Charismatic na ang "baptism of the Holy Spirit" ay hindi isang Sacramento lalabas pa rin na dalawa ang baptism.]
IF THAT IS THE CASE IT IS YOU WHO HAS THE PROBLEM NOT THEM. SINABI NA NGA NILA NA HINDI DALAWA ANG BAPTISM E. TINAWAG LANG IYON NA BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT BUT IT IS NOT A SACRAMENTAL BAPTISM. PARANG SA SSPX. ANG TAWAG NILA SA TLM AY TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS. THAT IS WRONG. ANG TLM AY TRIDENTINE LATIN MASS. BAKIT ANG BYZANTINE GREEK MASS BA HINDI TRADITIONAL? TRADITIONAL DIN. HOW ABOUT THE MARONITE MASS? TRADITIONAL DIN. SO MALI AT PALPAK NA TAWAGING TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS ANG TLM. PERO INUUNAWA NA LANG.
YAN ANG HIRAP SA SSPX MGA DEMONIO ANG PAG-IISIP HINDI MARUNONG UMUNAWA NG KAPWA. GUSTO SILA LANG ANG UUNAWAIN. MGA LITURGICAL ANIMALS. DOGS OF HYPOCRISY.
[Isang Sacramento at isang "baptism of the Holy Spirit"...Pero bakit ito hindi inaaksyunan ng Simbahan, at nananatiling ginagawa sa bawat parokya na mayroong Charismatic group.]
INAKSIYUNAN IYAN NG SIMBAHAN. KAYA NGA MERON SILANG MGA CHAPLAINS AT GUIDED BY THE PARISH PRIEST. THEY ARE PROPERLY GUIDED BY THE SHEPHERDS OF THE CHURCH. SIGURO AY HINDI MO ALAM IYAN. ISA PA, ANG HIGHEST FORM OF WORSHIP NG MGA CHARISMATICS IS THE HOLY MASS.
KUNG PARA SA IYO AY ANOTHER BAPTISM ANG BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT E DI TRY MO NA HUMINGI NG BAPTISMAL CERTIFICATE FOR BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. HE HE HE... TIGNAN KO LANG KUNG HINDI KA MABALIW SA KAHAHANAP AT KUNG MERONG BUANG NA MAGBIBIGAY SA YO. HE HE HE...
[Gusto ko lang po linawin na hindi ako galit sa Charismatic group. Ang totoo mataas ang panggalang ko sa kanila. Miyembro rin nito ang mahal kong gf, at malaki ang naitulong niya at ng Community nila sa pagbalik ko sa Catholic Faith, pero sana naman po wag tayong magalit sa mga Traditionalists na ang hangad lamang ay bumalik tayo sa mga tradition natin at wag mag-adapt ng mga turo ng mga Protestante gaya ng naibigay kong halimbawa, o kaya ng mga ibang religion gaya ng yoga o kaya ay ideology na labag sa turo ng Cristianismo gaya ng "liberation theology"...]
KITAM, IKAW MISMO AY NATULUNGAN NG CATHOLIC CHARISMATIC. KAYA DAPAT ALISIN MO SA ISIP MO ANG PANINIRA NG MGA SSPX.
ANG SSPX AY HINDI TRADITIONALISTS. THEY ARE ANTI-TRADITION. WALANG PROTESTANT TEACHINGS NA TINANGGAP ANG CATHOLIC CHURCH. ANG TINATANGGAP NATIN AY ANG MGA BAGAY NA HINDI OPPOSE SA FAITH AT HINDI SALUNGAT SA FAITH NATIN. ANG MGA HERETICAL TEACHINGS AY HINDI NATIN TANGGAP HANGGANG NGAYON. ANG LIBERATION THEOLOGY AY REJECTED NG HOLY SEE.
ANG SSPX AY LUMABAG SA TRADITION. THEY REFUSED TO PRACTICE THE DOGMA OF PAPAL SUPREMACY ACCORDING SA VATICAN I [Take note: Vatican 1 not Vatican II].
Kahit anung paliwanag,kahit anong rason pag hindi sumang-ayon sa Church Magesterium ay hindi talaga tunay na Catholic.Katulad ng mga born again,all protestants,ADD,INC/INM ay wala silaang Sto Papa kasi hindi sila naniniwala sa Pope,ganon din ang SSPX tutol sa mandated ng Pope or Church Magesterium sana magsama na lang ang SSPX at mga Protestants at huwag sana nilang idamay ang Catholic Church.Nagpakilala kasi silang Catholic samantalang against sila sa teaching authority of the church,may Catholic ba na ganon?
ReplyDeleteMas mabuti pa sa kanila ang mga born again,protestants,INC,at ADD kasi inamin nila na Ati Catholic talaga sila samantala itong mga SSPX ay nagkunwaring Catholic,ngunit tutol sa mandated ng Pope....They are the best enemies of the Catholic Church.
*****Nagpakilala kasi silang Catholic samantalang against sila sa teaching authority of the church,may Catholic ba na ganon?******
ReplyDeleteNO. hindi kami against sa teaching authority ng Church. We accept the teaching authority of the Church.
Sample:
St. Pius V (Quo Primum)
Let all everywhere adopt and observe what has been handed down by the Holy Roman church, the Mother and Teacher of the other churches, and let Masses NOT BE SUNG OR READ ACCORDING TO ANY OTHER FORMULA THAN THAT OF THIS MISSAL PUBLISHED BY US.
This ordinance applies henceforth, NOW AND FOREVER, throughout all the provinces of the Christian world, to all Patriarchates, Cathedral Churches, Colleges and Parish Churches, be they secular or religious, both men and women, even of Military Orders, and Churches or Chapels without a specific congregation in which conventual Masses are sung aloud in choir or read privately in accord with the rites and customs of the Roman Church. This Missal is to be used by all Churches....
Futhermore, by these present, by APOSTOLIC AUTHORITY, We grant and concede IN PERPETUITY that for the chanting or reading of the Mass in any church whatsoever, THIS MISSAL IS HEREAFTER TO BE FOLLOWED ABSOLUTELY, WITHOUT ANY SCRUPLE OF CONSCIENCE OR FEAR OF INCURRING ANY PENALTY, JUDGMENT, OR CENSURE, AND MAY FREELY AND LAWFULLY BE USED. Nor that superiors, Administrators, Canons, Chaplains and other Secular Priests or Religious of whatever order or by whatever title designated, be obliged to celebrate the Mass otherwise than enjoined by Us.
WE LIKEWISE STATUTE AND DECLARE that no one whosoever is to be forced or coerced to alter this Missal AND THAT THIS PRESENT DOCUMENT CAN NOT EVER BE REVOKED OR MODIFIED AT ANYTIME, BUT REMAINS ALWAYS VALID AND RETAINS ITS FULL FORCE."
Sinusunod namin yan. KAYO HINDI.
*****Nagpakilala kasi silang Catholic samantalang against sila sa teaching authority of the church,may Catholic ba na ganon?******
ReplyDelete[NO. hindi kami against sa teaching authority ng Church. We accept the teaching authority of the Church.]
SINUNGALING ANG BOBONG ITO. IF YOU ARE NOT AN IDIOT THE TEACHING AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH IS EXERCISED AND RESIDES IN THE HOLY FATHER THE POPE AND NOT IN YOUR WACKY OLD FOOL LEFEBVRE AND HIS SUCCESSOR FELLAY OR IN TAGALOG: "PILAY". THIS IS WHAT THE DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION OF VATICAN 1 STATES:
"Chapter 3.
On the power and character of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff
1. And so, supported by the clear witness of Holy Scripture, and adhering to the manifest and explicit decrees both of our predecessors the Roman Pontiffs and of general councils, we promulgate anew the definition of the ecumenical Council of Florence [49], which must be believed by all faithful Christians, namely that the Apostolic See and the Roman Pontiff hold a world-wide primacy, and that the Roman Pontiff is the successor of blessed Peter, the prince of the apostles, true vicar of Christ, head of the whole Church and father and teacher of all Christian people."
YOUR SOCIETY OF THE POPELESS, THE SSPX, IS HEADLESS BECAUSE OF YOUR SYSTEMATIC AND PRACTICAL REJECTION OF THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE. NO AMOUNT OF DENIAL WILL DEODORIZE THE EVIL THAT IS IN YOUR SOCIETY.
[Sample:
ReplyDeleteSt. Pius V (Quo Primum)]
IS QUO PRIMUM A DOGMATIC DOCUMENT? IT IS NOT. UNLIKE THE EXAMPLE I CITED WHICH IS A PRE-VATICAN II DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION APPROVED BY THE POPE AND BY ALL BISHOPS OF THE WORLD.
[Let all everywhere adopt and observe what has been handed down by the Holy Roman church, the Mother and Teacher of the other churches,]
HA HA HA... THE IDIOT IS CAUGHT IN HIS OWN MOUTH... THE PAULINE MASS IS HANDED BY THE HOLY MOTHER CHURCH, THE MOTHER AND TEACHER OF OTHER CHURCHES EXCEPT OF THE DEMONIC SSPX ORGANIZED BY LEFEBVRE THE DISOBEDIENT FOOL.
[and let Masses NOT BE SUNG OR READ ACCORDING TO ANY OTHER FORMULA THAN THAT OF THIS MISSAL PUBLISHED BY US.]
THE IDIOT FORGETS THE FACT THAT THE PROHIBITION REFERS TO THE PREVIOUS RITES SUSPENDED BY POPE ST. PIUS V. IT DOES NOT PROHIBITS FUTURE POPES TO PROMULGATE FUTURE MISSALS.
[This ordinance applies henceforth, NOW AND FOREVER,]
ReplyDeleteTHE IDIOT IS NOT AWARE OF THE FACT THAT IN CANONICAL TERMS THE STATEMENT NOW AND FOREVER MEANS IN PERPETUITY UNLESS OTHERWISE REVOKED BY THE SAME AUTHORITY. THE HOLY MASS IS ETERNAL BUT NOT THE TLM. IF POPE PIUS V SUSPENDED THE OTHER RITES PRIOR TO TLM THROUGH QUO PRIMUM THE FUTURE POPES CAN ALSO SUSPEND THE QUO PRIMUM. HE FORGETS THE FACT THAT THE POPE HAS THE POWER TO BIND AND TO LOOSE:
Matthew 16:19 "Whatever you BIND ON EARTH shall be bound in HEAVEN, and whatever you LOOSE ON EARTH shall be loosed in HEAVEN."
THAT POWER IS GIVEN EQUALLY TO ALL POPES. IF POPE PIUS V CAN BIND POPE PAUL V CAN LOOSE. THE SSPX IDIOTS ARE IGNORANT OF THE BIBLE. THE FIRST VATICAN COUNCIL CLEARLY EXPRESSED THAT SAME ARGUMENT IN ITS DOGMATIC DEFINITION OF THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE:
Chapter 1
On the institution of the apostolic primacy in blessed Peter
1. We teach and declare that, according to the gospel evidence, a primacy of jurisdiction over the whole Church of God was immediately and directly promised to the blessed apostle Peter and conferred on him by Christ the lord.
2. It was to Simon alone, to whom he had already said You shall be called Cephas [42], that the Lord, after his confession, You are the Christ, the son of the living God, spoke these words:
Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of the underworld shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven [43] .
SEE, THAT POWER TO BIND AND TO LOOSE IS DIVINELY GIVEN. IT CAME FROM THE LORD JESUS. POPE PIUS V BOUND THE CHURCH BUT POPE PAUL VI LOOSENED IT. HE HE HE... IS THAT DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND?
[throughout all the provinces of the Christian world, to all Patriarchates, Cathedral Churches, Colleges and Parish Churches, be they secular or religious, both men and women, even of Military Orders, and Churches or Chapels without a specific congregation in which conventual Masses are sung aloud in choir or read privately in accord with the rites and customs of the Roman Church. This Missal is to be used by all Churches....]
ReplyDeleteIT WAS USED BY ALL CHURCHES BUT WITH EXEMPTIONS. THE SAME AUTHORITY MADE EXEMPTIONS:
"This new rite alone is to be used unless approval of the practice of saying Mass differently was given at the very time of the institution and confirmation of the church by Apostolic See at least 200 years ago, or unless there has prevailed a custom of a similar kind which has been continuously followed for a period of not less than 200 years, in which most cases We in no wise rescind their above-mentioned prerogative or custom. However, if this Missal, which we have seen fit to publish, be more agreeable to these latter, We grant them permission to celebrate Mass according to its rite, provided they have the consent of their bishop or prelate or of their whole Chapter, everything else to the contrary notwithstanding."
READ CAREFULLY THE STATEMENT OF POPE ST. PIUS V:
1. Those who have approval 200 years prior to TLM are not to be suspended. They are EXEMPTED. SO, THE POPE CAN MAKE EXEMPTIONS. HE CAN LOWER OR MADE HIGHER THAT YEAR LIMIT THAT HE HIMSELF SET.
2. The TLM is A NEW RITE. It is NOT TRUE the demonic claims of SSPX that the TLM is the Mass for all ages. NO, NO, NO... IT WAS A A NEW RITE COMPOSED BY LEARNED MEN CHOSEN BY THE POPE EXACTLY THE SAME MANNER DONE BY POPE PAUL VI:
"We decided to entrust this work to learned men of our selection. They very carefully collated all their work with the ancient codices in Our Vatican Library and with reliable, preserved or emended codices from elsewhere. Besides this, these men consulted the works of ancient and approved authors concerning the same sacred rites; and thus they have restored the Missal itself to the original form and rite of the holy Fathers. When this work has been gone over numerous times and further emended, after serious study and reflection, We commanded that the finished product be printed and published as soon as possible, so that all might enjoy the fruits of this labor; and thus, priests would know which prayers to use and which rites and ceremonies they were required to observe from now on in the celebration of Masses."
HE HE HE... THE TLM IS 'NEW' WHEN IT WAS IMPOSED AND IT WAS A PRODUCT OF STUDIES OF THE LITURGICAL EXPERTS OF THAT TIME. THERE ARE LITURGICAL RITES MORE ANCIENT THAT TLM AND IF THE POPE HAVE THE POWER TO SUSPEND THEM THE POPE ALSO HAS THE SAME POWER TO SUSPEND THE TLM IN FAVOR OF THE NEW RITE COMPOSED BY HIS PANEL OF EXPERTS.
[Futhermore, by these present, by APOSTOLIC AUTHORITY, We grant and concede IN PERPETUITY that for the chanting or reading of the Mass in any church whatsoever, THIS MISSAL IS HEREAFTER TO BE FOLLOWED ABSOLUTELY, WITHOUT ANY SCRUPLE OF CONSCIENCE OR FEAR OF INCURRING ANY PENALTY, JUDGMENT, OR CENSURE, AND MAY FREELY AND LAWFULLY BE USED. Nor that superiors, Administrators, Canons, Chaplains and other Secular Priests or Religious of whatever order or by whatever title designated, be obliged to celebrate the Mass otherwise than enjoined by Us.]
ReplyDeleteTHIS COMMAND IS VALID ONLY TO THE SUBJECTS OF THE POPE BUT NOT TO THE FUTURE POPES:
"We specifically command each and every patriarch, administrator, and all other persons or whatever ecclesiastical dignity they may be, be they even cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, or possessed of any other rank or pre-eminence, and We order them in virtue of holy obedience to chant or to read the Mass according to the rite and manner and norm herewith laid down by Us and, hereafter, to discontinue and completely discard all other rubrics and rites of other missals, however ancient, which they have customarily followed; and they must not in celebrating Mass presume to introduce any ceremonies or recite any prayers other than those contained in this Missal."
THE QUO PRIMUM COMMAND IS LIMITED ONLY UP TO THE CARDINALS - THE HIGHEST RANKING CHURCH ADMINSTRATOR MENTIONED - BUT NOT FUTURE POPES. DEFINITELY, POPE PIUS V DIDN'T BIND THE AUTHORITY OF HIS SUCCESSORS SINCE THEY HAVE THE SAME POWER TO ENACT AND TO SUSPEND AS HE HAD.
THE SSPX ARGUMENTS AND INTERPRETATIONS ARE FULL OF STUPIDITIES AND BLINDNESS.
[WE LIKEWISE STATUTE AND DECLARE that no one whosoever is to be forced or coerced to alter this Missal AND THAT THIS PRESENT DOCUMENT CAN NOT EVER BE REVOKED OR MODIFIED AT ANYTIME, BUT REMAINS ALWAYS VALID AND RETAINS ITS FULL FORCE."]
BY HIS SUBORDINATES BUT NOT BY THE POPES. IF ST. PIUS V INCLUDED POPES HERE IT MEANS THAT ST. PIUS V CONTRADICTS THE STATEMENT OF THE LORD JESUS THAT THE OFFICE OF PETER HAS THE POWER TO BIND AND TO LOOSE. IS POPE PIUS V MORE POWERFUL THAN JESUS? IS POPE ST. PIUS V HAVE ENOUGH AUTHORITY TO REMOVE THE POWER "TO LOOSE" OF HIS SUCCESSORS? NO, NO, NO... ONLY FOOLS WILL BELIEVE THAT AND OBVIOUSLY LEFEBVRE IS A FOOL.
[Sinusunod namin yan. KAYO HINDI.]
SINUNOD NAMIN YAN HANGGANG SA IYAN AY IPAWALANG BISA NI POPE PAUL VI. EXCUSE ME, SI POPE PIUS V AY HINDI PAPA FOREVER. ANG AUTHORITY NIYA AY LIMITED ONLY DURING HIS LIFETIME. ONLY JESUS IS ETERNAL AND JESUS DECLARED THAT THE VICAR OF CHRIST CAN "BIND" AND "LOOSE" IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH... BUT FOR YOU "EXCEPT IN SSPX". WHAT DOES IT MEAN? SSPX IS NEITHER IN HEAVEN NOR ON EARTH. WHERE IS IT THEN? IN HELL!!!