Rome, Italy, October 4 (CNA/EWTN News) .- A senior figure in the breakaway traditionalist group, the Society of St. Pius X, says it could be "very, very difficult" for the Vatican and the Society to agree on terms for reconciliation.
"Assisi III and even more the unfortunate beatification of John Paul II but also many other examples make it clear that the leadership of the Church now as before is not ready to give up the false principles of Vatican II and their consequences," said the Society's First Assistant, Father Niklaus Pfluger, in an interview posted on the Society's website Oct. 2.
"Therefore," Fr. Pfluger said, "any 'offer' made to Tradition must guarantee us the freedom to be able to continue our work and our critique of 'modernist Rome.' And to be honest, this seems to be very, very difficult. Again, any false or dangerous compromise must be ruled out."
"Assisi III" refers to a planned meeting between Pope Benedict XVI and other religious leaders in the Italian town later this month.
Fr. Pfluger's comments come only weeks after the Vatican presented the Society with a "doctrinal preamble" which outlines points of doctrine that Rome needs clarified before the decades-long rift between the two sides can be healed. If they agree, it is thought the Society could be offered a personal prelature status within the Church - a jurisdiction without geographical boundaries designed to carry out particular pastoral initiatives
Fr. Pfluger revealed that the superiors of the Society of St. Pius X will meet next week in the Albano Laziale suburb of Rome to discuss the offer. He stressed that they will not compromise on their criticism of the Second Vatican Council "and other ways of doing things for the sake of 'pluralism.'"
"For how can we avoid giving the impression that this amounts after all to a tacit acceptance, so to speak, that would in fact lead to this parallel diversity and relativize the one truth," he asked, adding, "that is indeed precisely the basis of Modernism."
The Society of St. Pius X has had a strained relationship with the Vatican since its founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebrve, consecrated four bishops against the orders of Pope John Paul II in 1988. Archbishop Lefebrve founded the Society in 1970 as a response to what he described as errors that had crept into the Catholic Church following the Second Vatican Council.
Fr. Pfluger also suggested that the Society of St. Pius X is in a stronger bargaining position in relation to the Vatican than in 1988.
"We have four bishops and meanwhile 550 priests worldwide. And the structures of the official Church are breaking down faster and faster. Rome can no longer confront the Society as it did more than twenty years ago," he said.
"For forty-one years the Society has grown steadily, even in spite of being beaten with the 'excommunication' stick."
COMMENTS:
[A senior figure in the breakaway traditionalist group, the Society of St. Pius X, says it could be "very, very difficult" for the Vatican and the Society to agree on terms for reconciliation.]
IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THE SSPX ARE NOT SERIOUS ABOUT THE RECONCILIATION EFFORTS. THEY ARE ONLY USING IT TO GAIN MORE TIME AND HAVE SOME SEMBLANCE OF UNITY WITH THE HOLY SEE BUT THEY ARE PRACTICALLY IN SCHISM WITH THE CHURCH, ONLY THE FORMAL DECLARATION OF SEPARATION IS MISSING BUT THE GREAT MAJORITY OF SENTIMENTS COMING FROM THEIR GROUPS ARE MOSTLY ANTI-PAPAL AND ANTI-VATICAN.
["Assisi III and even more the unfortunate beatification of John Paul II but also many other examples make it clear that the leadership of the Church now as before is not ready to give up the false principles of Vatican II and their consequences," said the Society's First Assistant, Father Niklaus Pfluger, in an interview posted on the Society's website Oct. 2.]
ONLY DEMONS WILL REJECT PEACE GATHERING OF PEOPLE OF GOOD WILL. EVEN A PEACEFUL PRAYER MEETING IS BECOMING EVIL IN THE EYES OF THESE MODERN DAY PHARISEES... THE BEATIFICATION OF POPE JOHN PAUL THE GREAT IS THE FRUIT OF PRAYERS AND SUPPLICATIONS OF THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH. THE SSPX ARE ANGRY BECAUSE THEIR FOUNDER, THE WACKY OLD FOOL LEFEBVRE IS ROTTING IN IGNOMINY.
["Therefore," Fr. Pfluger said, "any 'offer' made to Tradition must guarantee us the freedom to be able to continue our work and our critique of 'modernist Rome.' And to be honest, this seems to be very, very difficult. Again, any false or dangerous compromise must be ruled out."]
WHAT A MEGALOMANIA. IMAGINE, THEY EQUATE THEIR CANONICALLY BASTARD SOCIETY WITH TRADITION. HA HA HA... EXCUSE ME. TRADITION IS WITH THE POPE WHO IS THE DEFINITIVE AUTHORITY COMMISSIONED BY CHRIST TO PROTECT, PRESERVE AND INTERPRET TRADITION. THE SSPX IS ANTI-TRADITION, THEY DO NOT HAVE THE TRADITION BUT REBELLION.
["Assisi III" refers to a planned meeting between Pope Benedict XVI and other religious leaders in the Italian town later this month.
Fr. Pfluger's comments come only weeks after the Vatican presented the Society with a "doctrinal preamble" which outlines points of doctrine that Rome needs clarified before the decades-long rift between the two sides can be healed. If they agree, it is thought the Society could be offered a personal prelature status within the Church - a jurisdiction without geographical boundaries designed to carry out particular pastoral initiatives
Fr. Pfluger revealed that the superiors of the Society of St. Pius X will meet next week in the Albano Laziale suburb of Rome to discuss the offer. He stressed that they will not compromise on their criticism of the Second Vatican Council "and other ways of doing things for the sake of 'pluralism.'"]
HA HA HA... IT'S ALRIGHT WE WILL NOT COMPROMISE VATICAN II FOR THE SAKE OF CLERICAL SERPENTS LIKE YOU. WE CAN LOOSE THE ENTIRE BRITISH EMPIRE FROM THOMAS CRANMER BUT WE WILL NOT GIVE IN TO YOUR LUST FOR LUNACY. THE POPE CALLED FOR ASSISI TO GIVE WITNESS TO THE OTHER RELIGIONS THAT HE IS THE LEADER OF THE ONE TRUE CHURCH WHICH IS THE BODY OF THE ONE TRUE SON OF GOD AND DEFINITELY NOT FOR RELIGIOUS PLURALISM. THIS FOOL IS TWISTING THE EFFORTS OF THE POPE TO MAKE IT APPEAR AS IF IT WAS AN ACCEPTANCE OF RELIGIOUS PLURALISM.
["For how can we avoid giving the impression that this amounts after all to a tacit acceptance, so to speak, that would in fact lead to this parallel diversity and relativize the one truth," he asked, adding, "that is indeed precisely the basis of Modernism."]
THE ONE AND ETERNAL TRUTH OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH REMAINS ONE AND ETERNAL. BUT HAVING THE ONE AND ETERNAL TRUTH DOES NOT MEAN DIALOGUE WITH OTHER RELIGIONS MUST BE AVOIDED. THE INVITATION IS ACTUALLY AN EXERCISE OF THE SUPERIORITY OF THE CATHOLIC FAITH OVER OTHERS BECAUSE THE POPE IS MANIFESTING THAT HE IS THE UNIVERSAL PASTOR OF THE WHOLE WORLD.
[The Society of St. Pius X has had a strained relationship with the Vatican since its founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebrve, consecrated four bishops against the orders of Pope John Paul II in 1988. Archbishop Lefebrve founded the Society in 1970 as a response to what he described as errors that had crept into the Catholic Church following the Second Vatican Council.
Fr. Pfluger also suggested that the Society of St. Pius X is in a stronger bargaining position in relation to the Vatican than in 1988.
"We have four bishops and meanwhile 550 priests worldwide. And the structures of the official Church are breaking down faster and faster. Rome can no longer confront the Society as it did more than twenty years ago," he said.]
HA HA HA... SO NOW, THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG. THEY ARE ACTUALLY AFTER POWER AND INFLUENCE. THEIR INTENTION IS TRULY TO STRENGTHEN THEMSELVES TO GAIN BETTER BARGAINING POWER ON THE HOLY SEE. NOT EVEN THE GERMAN PRINCES OF EUROPE WHO CONVERTED TO THE SIDE OF LUTHER SUCCEEDED IN GAINING EQUAL BARGAINING POWER WITH THE HOLY SEE. THIS GUY IS OUT OF HIS MIND. HE IS CORRUPTED BY POWER.
["For forty-one years the Society has grown steadily, even in spite of being beaten with the 'excommunication' stick."]
IDIOT. THE EXCOMMUNICATION STICK WAS USED BY LEFEBVRE AND HIS COMPANIONS ON THEIR OWN HEAD BY COMMITTING ACTS PUNISHABLE BY AUTOMATIC EXCOMMUNICATION. BLAME YOURSELVES FOR THE EFFECTS OF YOUR OWN EVIL ACTS.
THE SSPX GROWING? HA HA HA... EXCUSE ME EVEN THE MILLIONS OF BORN AGAIN CONVERTING FILIPINOS AND LATINOS WILL NOT BE ENOUGH FOR BARGAINING POWER WITH THE VATICAN. PFLUGER DREAM ON. YOU ARE FREE TO HALLUCINATE. THE CHURCH OF QUIBOLOY IS EVEN MORE NUMEROUS THAN YOUR SOCIETY OF THE POPELESS.
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The SSPX and otheR Traditionalists are the REMNANTS of our times. We are Faithful to the Traditions of our Fathers. This "modern day Church" is different from the Church of all Times, the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ. You are tainted with Modernism and Pluralism...and Ecumenism is a sugar coated poison of COMPROMISE...
ReplyDeleteYou are even boasting of the Pope kissing the Qur'an. Hehe, your mind is already poisoned by the so called "ecumenism" a word and practice which was unknown in the True Catholic Church prior to Vatican II...now you are drinking this poison and encouraging people to do the same. So bad for you.
[The SSPX and otheR Traditionalists are the REMNANTS of our times.]
ReplyDeleteOH, THIS IS VERY FAMILIAR. THE JEHOVAH WITNESSES, THE MORMONS, THE IGLESIA NI MANALO AND OTHER HERETICS ARE TEACHING THE SAME DOCTRINE. SO, YOU ARE ONLY CONFIRMING TO US ALL THAT THE SSPX IS INDEED HARBORING ON HERESY AND THEOLOGICAL DELUSIONS. HE HE HE...
[We are Faithful to the Traditions of our Fathers.]
YOU ARE UNFAITHFUL TO THE TRADITIONS OF THE FATHERS OF THE CHURCH. YOU ARE FAITHFUL TO YOUR FATHER - THE DEVIL - THE ORIGIN OF DECEPTION AND REBELLION AGAINST GOD AND AGAINST THE CHURCH.
[This "modern day Church" is different from the Church of all Times, the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ.]
YOU ARE FREE TO HALLUCINATE. WHAT YOU ARE STATING IS PROTESTANT STATEMENT DON'T YOU KNOW THAT? THAT IS THE ARGUMENT OF LUTHER AND CALVIN AND THE BORN AGAIN HERETICS: THAT THE CHURCH TODAY IS DIFFERENT FROM THE CHURCH OF THE APOSTOLIC TIMES. YOU SEE, THE DEVIL THAT POSSESSED LUTHER IS THE SAME DEVIL THAT POSSESSED LEFEBVRE.
[You are tainted with Modernism and Pluralism...and Ecumenism is a sugar coated poison of COMPROMISE...]
ReplyDeleteO NO, NO, NO... WE ARE NOT. THE PROOF IS THAT THE MODERNISTS HATE OUR POPES SO MUCH. THEY ATTACK OUR POPE FOR HIS TEACHING ON ETHICS AND MORALITY FROM ABORTION TO HOMOSEXUALITY, FROM CONTRACEPTION TO DIVORCE. THE MODERNISTS ARE ANTI-POPES JUST LIKE LEFEBVRE AND HIS SSPX DOGS.
THE POPE IS NOT TEACHING PLURALISM. BECAUSE THE POPE PROCLAIMS THE UNIQUENESS AND SUPREMACY OF CHRIST OVER ALL. HE PROCLAIMS THAT THE CHURCH HAS THE FULLNESS OF TRUTH. FOR THAT HE IS UNDER ATTACK BY OTHER RELIGIONS. HAVEN'T YOU NOTICE THAT THE PAGANS ARE AGAINST THE POPE BUT THEY DO NOT CRITICIZE LEFEBVRE? WHY? THEY BELONG TO THE SAME DEVIL.
CONCERNING ECUMENISM. THE POISON OF COMPROMISE IS EXISTING ONLY IN YOUR HEAD WHICH IS RADIOACTIVE WITH LEFEBVRE'S LUNACY. THE POPE NEVER COMPROMISED ANYTHING. JESUS IS STILL OUR ONLY LORD AND SAVIOR, NO MORE NO LESS. ONLY FOOLS WILL SAY OTHERWISE.
ECUMENISM IS DIALOGUE WITH OTHERS BELONGING TO DIFFERENT FAITH SO THAT THEY WILL SEE THE TRUTH OF CATHOLIC FAITH. IF YOU ARE NOT IGNORANT OF THE BIBLE YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT JESUS SHOUTED AT THE PHARISEES BUT TO THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO DIALOGUE HE TALKED WITH THEM PEACEFULLY AS FRIENDS. HE DID THAT TO NICODEMUS, TO THE YOUNG MAN ASKING QUESTION ABOUT WHAT TO DO FOR ETERNAL LIFE AND THE SAMARITAN WOMAN. DIALOGUE IS BASIC TO HUMANITY AND TO CIVILIZATION. I DON'T KNOW IF THE SSPX ARE STILL HUMANS OR IF THEY ARE AT LEAST CIVILIZED HUMAN BEINGS BECAUSE THEY ARE REFUSING DIALOGUE. THEY HYPOCRITICALLY WANT THE HOLY SEE TO DIALOGUE WITH THEM BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO DIALOGUE WITH OTHERS. THEY ARE FOOLS TO BE ETERNALLY DESTROYED... AGENTS OF DIVISIONS.
[You are even boasting of the Pope kissing the Qur'an.]
IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THE SSPX HAVE BECOME INFESTED BY THE SAME DEMON THAT POISONED THE MIND OF THE PHARISEES. EVEN THE POPE'S ACT OF CHARITY SUCH AS KISSING SOMETHING THAT IS SACRED TO MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAS BECOME EVIL FOR THEM. THEY SEE EVIL EVEN IN CHARITABLE ACTS. PHARISESS... SADDUCEES... THESE SSPX ARE.
IF THE FACE OF THE MOSLEMS CAN BE KISSED AS A GESTURE OF FRIENDSHIP ALSO THEIR HANDS AND THEIR FEET. ALSO THE MATERIAL THINGS VENERABLE TO THEM. PHARISEES...
[ Hehe, your mind is already poisoned by the so called "ecumenism" a word and practice which was unknown in the True Catholic Church prior to Vatican II...now you are drinking this poison and encouraging people to do the same. So bad for you.]
HA HA HA... THE IDIOT. IS THERE TRIDENTINE LATIN MASS IN THE SACRED SCRIPTURES? NONE. WAS THERE TRIDENTINE LATIN MASS DURING THE TIME OF THE APOSTLES? NONE. NEWNESS OF THE TERM DOES NOT MEAN BEING 'CONTRARY TO TRADITION'. IF THAT IS THE CASE YOU BELONG TO THE DEVILS BECAUSE THERE IS NO 'SOCIETY OF ST. PIUS X' IN TRADITION EITHER.
ECUMENISM IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF EVANGELIZATION. IT IS ROOTED IN KERYGMA. THAT THE FAITH BE PROCLAIMED IN SEASON AND OUT OF SEASON. PART OF THAT IS TO EXPLAIN IT TO PEOPLE WILLING TO DIALOGUE ABOUT OUR FAITH. ONLY FOOLS WILL REJECT THAT.