JURISDICTION, ECCLESIA SUPPLET AND SSPX Part 1 - Refuting the Pathetic Reasoning of Tissier de Mallerais

St. Peter with the Keys of Heaven

 

Anonymous said... 

 

PART I-BISHOP TISSIER DE MALLERAIS ADDRESSES THE PROBLEM

I. THE PROBLEM: THE ABSENCE OF JURISDICTION?

A problem is immediately apparent to you, as I am sure you are aware. What authority do these priests, these bishops, these district superiors, this Superior General and these traditional communities have in the Church? You ask this not only because they are, so we are told, excommunicated, but also because they do not receive their authority from the hierarchy of the official Church. Our priests do not receive the power to hear confessions from the diocesan bishops. The Priestly Society of St. Pius X has no longer any "official existence." The bishops of the Society, they say, did not receive their authority from the Holy Father. What right therefore does this traditional clergy have to require of you, the laity, to depend on it in your Catholic action?

It is this objection to which I am going to reply. What is the authority of the traditional Catholic clergy in this crisis situation, and, in particular, what is its authority with respect to traditional Catholic study groups? The thesis is the following (I can review it briefly before explaining it):

Your traditional priests —for they are your priests —your traditional bishops and your traditional parishes, have no ordinary authority, but an extraordinary authority which is a supplied authority.

Then, I will strive to examine the concrete aspects of this supplied authority of the traditional clergy so as to apply them to the case of your "Catholic action."

Supplied Jurisdiction

To explain this, let me use the example of confession in normal times. The traditional clergy has no ordinary authority over the faithful, for it has not received this authority which we call jurisdiction. It has not received it by delegation or by mandate of the Sovereign Pontiff or the diocesan bishops or of regularly appointed parish priests. This is the concrete case, especially for the priests of the Society; for example, for confessions.

You know that for the validity of a confession, the priest must have the power of hearing confessions. He normally receives this power from the bishop, but it is quite obvious that in the present situation this is impossible. Does this mean that our confessions are invalid? No.

We already resolved this question a long time ago, explaining it to the faithful as a case of necessity. Here we fall back on principles which are very elevated in the hierarchy of principles of the Church. This is the case where the Church directly confers jurisdiction on a priest without going through the different degrees of the hierarchy. It is the Mystical Body of Our Lord, Our Lord Himself as Head of His Church, which gives jurisdiction to priests in some particular cases.

Do you know, for example, the case of what is called "common error"? When a priest is in a church and has no jurisdiction, but is in stole and surplice, and one of the faithful asks him to hear his confession, this priest can indeed hear his confession, although he has as such no faculties. The reason is that the person is in error in believing he does and that is what we call "common error." In such a situation the Church makes up for the lack of jurisdiction for the good of the faithful.

Another situation is when a priest is no longer sure whether or not he has jurisdiction. There is a doubt. The Church resolves the doubt in favor of jurisdiction. Likewise in the case of danger of death. If a Catholic overturns his vehicle, and is in an emergency situation any priest has the power of hearing his confession even if he does not necessarily have jurisdiction. In such a case the Church opens wide the doors of her mercy and gives jurisdiction to any priest. It is the Church herself which gives jurisdiction, without involving the hierarchy.

RBP 

 November 15, 2011 2:02 PM

Fr. Abe, CRS said... 

 

[PART I-BISHOP TISSIER DE MALLERAIS ADDRESSES THE PROBLEM]

THIS TRAITOR BISHOP OF SSPX DIDN'T ADDRESS THE PROBLEM. HE CREATES MORE PROBLEM AND HE IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.

[I. THE PROBLEM: THE ABSENCE OF JURISDICTION?]

THAT IS RIGHT. FROM APOSTOLIC TIMES THE AUTHORITY OF PRESBYTERS WERE BEING HANDED THROUGH THE APOSTLES AND THEIR SUCCESSORS THE BISHOPS AND THIS AUTHORITY IS SUPREMELY GIVEN TO THE OFFICE OF ST. PETER BEING THE UNIVERSAL PASTOR OF THE CHURCH.

[A problem is immediately apparent to you, as I am sure you are aware.]

IT IS THE SSPX WHO HAVE THE PROBLEM NOT US. DON'T THROW TO US YOUR OWN SELF INFLICTED PROBLEMS.

[What authority do these priests, these bishops, these district superiors, this Superior General and these traditional communities have in the Church?]

WE THE TRUE TRADITIONAL CATHOLIC PRIESTS AND BISHOPS HAVE AUTHORITY IN THE CHURCH THROUGH APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION. THE SSPX DO NOT HAVE THAT AUTHORITY BECAUSE THEY ARE DE JURE ET DE FACTO OUTSIDE THE CHURCH. THEY ARE CANONICALLY OUTSIDE THE CHURCH. SO THEIR AUTHORITY IS ZERO. THEY ARE NOT TRADITIONALS BUT CANONICAL TRAITORS.

[You ask this not only because they are, so we are told, excommunicated, but also because they do not receive their authority from the hierarchy of the official Church.]

THAT'S RIGHT. THE LORD JESUS WILLED THAT THE AUTHORITY IN THE CHURCH SHALL PASS THROUGH APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION.

[Our priests do not receive the power to hear confessions from the diocesan bishops.]

THAT'S IT.

[The Priestly Society of St. Pius X has no longer any "official existence." The bishops of the Society, they say, did not receive their authority from the Holy Father.]

OBVIOUSLY.

[What right therefore does this traditional clergy have to require of you, the laity, to depend on it in your Catholic action?]

NICE QUESTION. ANSWER IT FAIRLY AND SQUARLY.

[It is this objection to which I am going to reply.]

JUST SHOOT YOUR WAY, TRAITOR BISHOP.

[What is the authority of the traditional Catholic clergy in this crisis situation, and, in particular, what is its authority with respect to traditional Catholic study groups?]

SO, WHERE ARE YOUR ANSWERS?

[The thesis is the following (I can review it briefly before explaining it):

Your traditional priests —for they are your priests —your traditional bishops and your traditional parishes, have no ordinary authority, but an extraordinary authority which is a supplied authority.]

YOUR ANIMAL PRIESTS AND BISHOPS HAVE NO EXTRAORDINARY AUTHORITY.

ALL AUTHORITY IN THE CHURCH FLOWS FROM THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS WHETHER THAT AUTHORITY IS ORDINARY OR EXTRAORDINARY.

THIS IS PURE ALIBI. A DEMONIC ALIBI IN ORDER TO JUSTIFY YOUR LACK OF AUTHORITY IN THE CHURCH.

THE POWER TO BIND AND TO LOOSE WERE GIVEN TO ST. PETER [MT 16:18-19] AND TO ALL APOSTLES WHO WERE THE BISHOPS OF THE CHURCH [MT 18:18]. ALL POWERS HAVE BEEN GIVEN BY THE FATHER TO CHRIST AND IN TURN CHRIST HANDED THE AUTHORITY TO THE APOSTLES:

Mt 28:18-20 And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."

THAT IS THE REASON WHY THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE IS DIRECTLY FROM CHRIST. HE IS THE VICAR OF CHRIST. NO REASON WHATSOEVER JUSTIFIES ACTUAL REJECTION OF THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE.

[Then, I will strive to examine the concrete aspects of this supplied authority of the traditional clergy so as to apply them to the case of your "Catholic action."]

FOOL. THE LORD JESUS SUPPLIED THE CHURCH WITH AUTHORITY THROUGH THE OFFICE OF PETER AND APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION. YOUR SUPPLIED AUTHORITY DIDN'T COME FROM THE LORD JESUS BUT FROM SATAN. 

[Supplied Jurisdiction]


HOW CAN THERE BE A SUPPLIED JURISDICTION IF THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE AUTHORITY TO SUPPLY IT? THE ONE WHO GIVE IT IS THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS IN COMMUNION WITH HIM.

WHETHER IT IS JURISDICTION OR AUTHORITY IT ALL COMES FROM THE LORD AND ENTRUSTED TO THE POPE. SUPPLIED AUTHORITY OR ORDINARY AUTHORITY AS WELL AS EXTRAORDINARY AUTHORITY IN THE CHURCH HAVE BEEN ENTRUSTED BY JESUS TO THE SUCCESSOR OF PETER NOT TO THE SSPX TRAITORS. THIS SUPPLIED AUTHORITY ARGUMENT IS A MERE ALIBI TO JUSTIFY THEIR LUCIFERIAN REBELLION AGAINST THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS.

[To explain this, let me use the example of confession in normal times.]

WHETHER NORMAL OR ABNORMAL TIMES THE AUTHORITY TO CONFESS COMES FROM THE BISHOPS AND THE POPE.

[The traditional clergy has no ordinary authority over the faithful, for it has not received this authority which we call jurisdiction.]

THAT IS WHY YOU ARE IN CANONICAL TROUBLE AND DOCTRINALLY IN ERROR BECAUSE OF THIS FACT.

[It has not received it by delegation or by mandate of the Sovereign Pontiff or the diocesan bishops or of regularly appointed parish priests.]

THEN, YOU JUST ADMITTED THAT YOU ARE OF DEMONIC ORIGIN BECAUSE THE CHURCH FOUNDED BY JESUS IS ESTABLISHED BY GOD'S WILL AND PREDILECTION ON THE ROCK THAT IS PETER AND NOT ON ANY WACKY OLD FOOL CALLED 'LEFEBVRE'.


[This is the concrete case, especially for the priests of the Society; for example, for confessions.]

YOUR ARGUMENT IS STILL INVALID. BECAUSE IN CASE OF EXTREME OR EXTRAORDINARY CRISIS IN THE CHURCH THE FAITHFUL SHALL BE STRENGTHENED BY THE POPE, BY PETER AND NOT BY ANY WACKY OLD FOOL CALLED LEFEBVRE. THIS IS VERY CLEAR IN MT 16:18-19 AND IN

Lk 22:31-32 "Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren."

THAT IS WHY IN EVERY CRISIS IN THE CHURCH IT IS ALWAYS THE POPE THAT SUSTAINS THE FAITHFUL. POPE PAUL VI, OF BLESSED MEMORY, SUSTAINED THE CHURCH AGAINST MODERNISM IN HUMANAE VITAE AND JOHN PAUL THE GREAT SUSTAINED THE CHURCH IN DEFEATING COMMUNISM IN EASTERN EUROPE. THE POPES DID IT NOT THE WACKY OLD FOOL LEFEBVRE AND HIS USELESS FOLLOWERS. 

[You know that for the validity of a confession, the priest must have the power of hearing confessions.]

YES.

[He normally receives this power from the bishop, but it is quite obvious that in the present situation this is impossible.]

IT IS THE LORD WHO WILLED THAT THE POWER TO FORGIVE SINS FLOWS FROM HIM THROUGH THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS.
 
HOW COME IT BECAME IMPOSSIBLE NOW? IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE I RECEIVED IT. I GOT THE AUTHORITY TO HEAR CONFESSIONS AND FORGIVE SINS FROM MY BISHOP. THE SSPX IS IN IMPOSSIBLE SITUATIONS BECAUSE THEY DEMONICALLY PUT THEMSELVES IN THAT IMPOSSIBLE SITUATION. THEY FOLLOWED LEFEBVRE IN HIS LUCIFERIAN REBELLION AGAINS THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS SO THAT THEY ARE NOW BEREFT OF AUTHORITY. THEY ARE NOW ENJOYING THE FRUITS OF THEIR OWN DEFIANCE AND FOOLISHNESS.

[Does this mean that our confessions are invalid? No.]

HA HA HA... THIS WACKY OLD FOOL IS VERY HILARIOUS. HA HA HA... PATHETIC OLD FOOL.

ARE YOU NOT AWARE TISSIER  THAT REGARDLESS OF THE VALIDITY OF THE ORDINATION AND YOUR SACRAMENTS YOUR USE OF THEM AGAINST THE WILL OF THE HOLY FATHER AND THE BISHOPS WILL ONLY PUT YOU INTO SIN OF CONTINUOUS DISOBEDIENCE? THAT IS THE REASON WHY YOUR SOCIETY IS LUCIFERIAN.

SO WHAT IF YOUR CONFESSION IS VALID. HOW ABOUT THE SACRAMENTS OF THE ORTHODOX? IS IT VALID OR NOT? VALID. SO IT MAKES YOU AT PAR WITH THE ORTHODOX.

HOW ABOUT THE CONFESSIONS GIVEN BY ARIUS? VALID OR NOT? VALID. HE WAS A VALIDLY ORDAINED PRIEST LIKE THE SSPX.

HOW ABOUT THE CONFESSIONS GIVEN BY LUTHER? VALID OR NOT? VALID. HE WAS A VALIDLY ORDAINED PRIEST LIKE THE SSPX.

HOW ABOUT THE CONFESSIONS GIVEN BY NESTORIUS? VALID OR NOT? VALID. HE IS A VALIDLY ORDAINED BISHOP LIKE BISHOP TARSIER. HA HA HA...

WHO CARES IF YOUR CONFESSIONS ARE VALID? YOU CAN GO TO HELL FOR THAT. YOU ARE EXERCISING THE MINISTRY AGAINST THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS. THE VALIDITY OF YOUR SACRAMENTS WILL NOT SHIELD YOU INSTEAD IT WILL BE MORE TERRIBLE FOR YOUR SOULS. 

[We already resolved this question a long time ago, explaining it to the faithful as a case of necessity.]

HA HA HA... YOU DIDN'T RESOLVED IT. YOU ONLY INVENTED AN ALIBI.

MY QUESTION TO YOU IS THAT: WHERE CAN YOU FIND IN SACRED TRADITION OR IN THE SACRED SCRIPTURES THAT IN CASE OF NECESSITY THE OFFICE OF PETER MUST BE REJECTED IN FAVOR OF LEFEBVRE?

THE GATE OF HELL SHALL WIN OVER YOUR SOCIETY AND INDEED IT HAS OVERPOWERED IT BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT IN UNION WITH THE VICAR OF CHRIST. SATAN SHALL CRUSH YOU LIKE WHEAT BECAUSE THERE IS NO PETER TO STRENGTHEN YOUR SOCIETY. SORRY FOR YOU BISHOP TARSIER.

[Here we fall back on principles which are very elevated in the hierarchy of principles of the Church. This is the case where the Church directly confers jurisdiction on a priest without going through the different degrees of the hierarchy.]

HA HA HA... THIS IS A FOOLISH ARGUMENT. HE IS CITING THE AUTHORITY OF PRIEST IN CASE OF NECESSITY TO CONFESS IN DANGER OF DEATH. IN THIS CASE ALL PRIESTS WHETHER WITH CANONICAL AUTHORITY OR NOT AS LONG AS THEY ARE VALIDLY ORDAINED CAN BESTOW THE SACRAMENT. UNFORTUNATELY FOR BISHOP TARSIER THIS AUTHORITY IS NOT OUTSIDE THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE AND THE BISHOP. IN FACT, IT IS ACTUALLY COMING FROM THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS. IT IS WRITTEN IN CANON LAW LEGISLATED, PROMULGATED, CODIFIED AND IMPLEMENTED BY PAPAL AUTHORITY. HA HA HA...

TO USE THAT ARGUMENT FOR SSPX IS AN ACT OF DESPERATION AND FOOLISHNESS. THEIR CANON LAWYERS ARE GOING TO THE DOGS. THEY CANNOT JUSTIFY THE UNJUSTIFIABLE. 

[It is the Mystical Body of Our Lord, Our Lord Himself as Head of His Church, which gives jurisdiction to priests in some particular cases.]

HA HA HA... IDIOT. IN CALL CASES WHETHER ORDINARY OR EXTRAORDINARY ALL AUTHORITIES COMES FROM THE LORD JESUS, THROUGH HIS MYSTICAL BODY THE CHURCH. AND IN ALL CASES ALSO THAT AUTHORITY IS HANDED TO THE POPE AS THE VICAR OF CHRIST WHETHER ORDINARY OR EXTRAORDINARY CASES IT IS STILL THE POPE WHO WILL GRANT AUTHORIZATION. IT IS THE POPE WHO WILL DETERMINE WITH FINALITY WHAT THE LORD WANTS HIS CHURCH TO DO IN ANY ACTUAL SITUATION. THAT IS WHY THE COMMAND TO "FEED" AND TO "TEND" THE FLOCK WAS GIVEN TO PETER AND NOT TO LEFEBVRE. THAT POWER IS IN THE HANDS OF BENEDICT XVI AND NOT OF FELLAY OR TISSIER. THE SSPX IS PILAY AND TARSIER.

[Do you know, for example, the case of what is called "common error"? When a priest is in a church and has no jurisdiction, but is in stole and surplice, and one of the faithful asks him to hear his confession, this priest can indeed hear his confession, although he has as such no faculties.]

EXCUSE ME. IF THE PRIEST HAS NO FACULTY THEN HE SHOULD TELL THE ONE ASKING FOR CONFESSION THAT HE HAS NO FACULTY FROM HIS BISHOP AND THEREFORE HE CANNOT HEAR HIS CONFESSION UNLESS HE OR SHE IS DYING.

[The reason is that the person is in error in believing he does and that is what we call "common error." In such a situation the Church makes up for the lack of jurisdiction for the good of the faithful.]

HA HA HA... THE FAITHFUL ASKING FOR CONFESSION IS IGNORANT OF THE FACT THAT THE PRIEST HAS NO FACULTY. BUT THE PRIEST IS NOT IGNORANT OF THE FACT THAT HE HAS NO FACULTY. IF HE WILL CONFESS HIM THEN THAT PRIEST DECEIVED THE SINNER AND DISOBEYED HIS BISHOP WHO DIDN'T GIVE HIM YET THE FACULTY.

IN THAT CASE THERE IS NO PROBLEM FOR THE SINNER WHO CONFESSED BUT THE PRIEST WHO DECEIVED OR WITHELD VALUABLE INFORMATION TO THAT SINNER SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE TO GOD AND THE CHURCH. AND SO THE SSPX WHO ARE DECEIVING THE PEOPLE.

[Another situation is when a priest is no longer sure whether or not he has jurisdiction. There is a doubt.]

HA HA HA... IN CASE OF DOUBT THEN HE SHOULD ASK HIS BISHOP WHERE HE STAYS AND THE BISHOP WHO ORDAINED HIM OR HIS SUCCESSOR. HE HE HE... IN CASE OF DOUBT HE MUST GO TO THE BISHOP AND THE POPE. HE MUST NOT PRETEND THAT HE HAS IT IF HE IS IN DOUBT. HE HE HE...

[The Church resolves the doubt in favor of jurisdiction.]

BECAUSE IN CASE OF DOUBT PRESUMPTION IS ON THE SIDE OF THE SUPERIOR... IN THAT CASE OF JURISDICTION. YOU DO NOT LOOSE YOUR JURISDICTION UNLESS IT IS OFFICIALLY REMOVED. UNLESS THE POWER THAT BINDS REMOVED IT THEN IT IS THERE. BUT THAT AUTHORITY IS STILL RESIDING WITH THE POPE AND THE BISHOP. AS YOU'VE SAID THE CHURCH RULED IN FAVOR OF JURISDICTION. WHO IS THAT CHURCH WHO RULED? THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS. IT WAS THE HOLY SEE WHO RESOLVES SUCH CASES. SO THIS IS STILL AGAINST THE SSPX JUSTIFICATION OF DISOBEYING THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS.

[Likewise in the case of danger of death. If a Catholic overturns his vehicle, and is in an emergency situation any priest has the power of hearing his confession even if he does not necessarily have jurisdiction.]

THE AUTHORIZATION TO DO SO COMES FROM THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS. IT IS EXPLICITLY GIVEN IN CANON LAW PROMULGATED BY THE POPE. SO IT DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE SSPX's DEFIANCE AGAINST THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS.

[In such a case the Church opens wide the doors of her mercy and gives jurisdiction to any priest. It is the Church herself which gives jurisdiction, without involving the hierarchy.]

IDIOT. IT IS THE CHURCH THAT OPENS THE DOOR OF MERCY BUT IT IS DONE THROUGH THE VICAR OF CHRIST THE ONE WHO HAS THE POWER TO OPEN AND TO CLOSE. WHEN HE OPENS NO ONE CAN SHUT AND WHEN HE SHUT NO ONE CAN OPEN. EVEN THE SSPX CANNOT OPEN OR CLOSE CONTRARY TO THE POWER OF PETER. THAT IS WHY YOUR ARGUMENT IS DEMONIC AND DIRECTLY VIOLATIVE OF THE WILL OF THE DIVINE MASTER. 

November 15, 2011 4:45 PM