JURISDICTION, ECCLESIA SUPPLET AND SSPX Part 7 - Refuting the Pathetic Reasoning of Tissier de Mallerais

St. Peter on his Chair

 

 

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PART VII

At Every Degree it is but a Supplied Jurisdiction

The hierarchy of the Society, and the only hierarchy it has, is a substitute hierarchy. Its priests have power directly over the faithful in their priories, in their parishes, and in their traditional chapels. The district superiors have power over their priests. But in principle that is all the power they have. According to the constitution of the Society they have in principle no power over the faithful. But on account of the crisis in the Church they have a supplied power over the faithful.

Here the principle of subsidiaries is to be invoked. This means that that which your simple priests in the priories cannot do, the district superior will make up for, and this for the good order of our priories. The district superiors also have to look after the apostolate of their priests and hence have relations with the faithful. But this is a supplied jurisdiction. Likewise the Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X has in principle no direct power over the faithful, but he will all the same exercise his authority for important questions and difficult matters, which the simple priest or even the district superiors cannot resolve. This is a supplied power in virtue of the principle of subsidiaries.

Hence at all levels of the hierarchy of the Society, and the hierarchy of Tradition (if you wish), there is only a supplied power and not an ordinary power. Consequently, there is no way that it can be said that Archbishop Lefebvre constitutes the Church. There can be no question of the "Church of Lefebvre" as the newspapers report it. There is simply the Catholic Church with its incomprehensible and generalized failings, and in the Catholic Church the clergy which has remained entirely faithful to the Faith, and with, because it was necessary, a certain organization, and bishops with their power over the faithful but which is only a supplied power.

This is the Error by Excess: to say that there is no longer any hierarchy in the Church, and that we must therefore create a jurisdiction and submit ourselves to this jurisdiction. We may as well create a new church! This is an error, for we cannot create a church.

Error by Defect: "Our Priests do not have Jurisdiction. Therefore, we are Free!"

The error in the direction of too little would be to say that the traditional priests in our priories and in the convents have not received jurisdiction from the Pope or the bishop and have therefore no power over us. "What right have they to require something of us? We are indeed free! Let us stay free! We are free to place ourselves under their authority or not."

Such a mentality is also a danger which is opposed to the sense of the Church. This would be to take advantage of the crisis in the Church because of the appearance of freedom which it gives. It is especially dangerous for the lay apostolate where, it is true, there is a large part of freedom. For very often the tasks performed by lay people are not the specific tasks of a priest, such as, for example, to spread the Christian social order in the State. There is, therefore, a certain element of autonomy in the Catholic action of the laity. This is true. But it is not the sense of the Church to dispense oneself entirely from every link with the hierarchy. To say this on account of the crisis in the Church, because "the traditional clergy has no ordinary power over us" would be to really lack a sense of the Church. Let us therefore avoid these two snags of either going too far or not going far enough. 

November 15, 2011 2:30 PM

 

Fr. Abe, CRS said... 

 

[PART VII

At Every Degree it is but a Supplied Jurisdiction]

YOU DON'T HAVE SUPPLIED JURISDICTION BECAUSE THE SUPPLIED JURISDICTION IS SUPPLIED BY THE POPE AND THE BISHOP. YOURS IS PROTESTANT JURISDICTION WHICH IS POPELESS AND BISHOPLESS.

[The hierarchy of the Society, and the only hierarchy it has, is a substitute hierarchy.]

THAT IS DEMONIC. IMAGINE YOU HAVE A HIERARCHY TO SUBSTITUTE FOR THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS. YOU BELONG TO THE DEVIL. ONLY SATAN TRIES TO REPLACE THE HIERARCHY OF THE CHURCH BY A SUBSTITUTE.


[Its priests have power directly over the faithful in their priories, in their parishes, and in their traditional chapels.]

THAT IS ANTI-TRADITION. THE REAL TRADITIONAL PRIESTS ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE BISHOP AND THE POPE AND THEY ARE IN COMMUNION WITH THEM. YOURS IS A DEMONIC HIERARCHY SUPPLIED BY SATAN AND NOT BY CHRIST BECAUSE THE HIERARCHY ESTABLISHED BY CHRIST IS LED BY THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS. YOURS IS VERY PROTESTANT IN ESSENCE.

[The district superiors have power over their priests. But in principle that is all the power they have.]

THESE SSPX SUPERIORS ARE CANONICAL WOLVES. THEY ARE NO GENUINE SHEPHERDS OF THE FLOCK BECAUSE THEY ENTER THE SHEEPFOLD NOT THROUGH THE PROPER DOOR BUT BY ILLICIT MEANS. THAT IS WHY YOUR SACRAMENTS ARE ILLICIT. THE TRUE SHEPHERDS ENTER THROUGH THE PROPER DOOR OPENED BY THE KEYS OF PETER.

[According to the constitution of the Society they have in principle no power over the faithful. But on account of the crisis in the Church they have a supplied power over the faithful.]

THIS IS DEMONIC REASONING. IMAGINE, THEY ADMIT THAT THEY HAVE NO POWER OVER THE FAITHFUL. SO THEY ARE NO GENUINE SHEPHERDS OF THE CHURCH. THEY ARE FAKE AND UNAUTHORIZED. YET DESPITE THE LACK OF AUTHORITY THEY INVENT AN ALIBI TO JUSTIFY IT. ONLY FOOLS WILL BUY THIS REASONING AND WE DO NOT BUY IT.

IN CASE OF NECESSITY THE SACRED TRADITION AND THE SACRED SCRIPTURES DEMANDS THAT WE SHOULD ALL THE MORE CLING TO THE POPE. THE MORE WE MUST UNITE OURSELVES WITH THE SEE OF PETER IN TIMES OF CRISES AND NECESSITIES.

[Here the principle of subsidiaries is to be invoked. This means that that which your simple priests in the priories cannot do, the district superior will make up for, and this for the good order of our priories. The district superiors also have to look after the apostolate of their priests and hence have relations with the faithful. But this is a supplied jurisdiction.]

THIS IS DEMONIC ONCE AGAIN. THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE GOVERNMENT OF THE ARIAN IGLESIA NI CRISTO WHO SUBDIVIDED THEIR MEMBERS IN THE DISTRICT UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF SUPERIOR MINISTERS. SINCE THE SSPX REJECTED THE HIERARCHY LED BY THE POPE THEN THEY ARE BEING FORCED TO ADOPT THE PROTESTANT MODEL OF GOVERNMENT. 

 

[Likewise the Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X has in principle no direct power over the faithful, but he will all the same exercise his authority for important questions and difficult matters, which the simple priest or even the district superiors cannot resolve.]

DEMONIC HEAD OF THE SOCIETY. HE IS NOT AUTHORIZED TO ACT AS HEAD OF THE FAITHFUL AND HAS NO POWER TO EXERCIZE AUTHORITY OVER THEM YET HE IS ACTING AS SUCH. WHAT IS THIS? THIS IS PRACTICAL DELUSIONS. THE SSPX ARE FOOLS. THEY SO DECEIVED THEMSELVES THAT THEY HAVE AUTHORITY AND JURISDICTION YET THEY ADMIT THAT THEY DON'T HAVE. PATHETIC FOOLS.

[This is a supplied power in virtue of the principle of subsidiaries.]

THAT IS PRINCIPLE OF PROTESTANT GOVERNANCE. HA HA HA... YOU HAVE BECOME THE EXACT DEMON THAT YOU HAVE SWORN TO HATE.

[Hence at all levels of the hierarchy of the Society, and the hierarchy of Tradition (if you wish), there is only a supplied power and not an ordinary power.]

IF YOU DON'T HAVE ORDINARY POWER THEN YOU ALSO DONT HAVE SUPPLIED JURISDICTION. IF YOU HAVE ORDINARY POWER THEN YOU HAVE EXTRAORDINARY POWER OR SUPPLIED POWER. THE ORDINARY AND THE SUPPLIED POWER COME FROM THE SAME SOURCE - THE HIERARCHY ESTABLISHED BY JESUS LED BY THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS. NO MORE NO LESS. HE HE HE...

[Consequently, there is no way that it can be said that Archbishop Lefebvre constitutes the Church.]

HA HA HA... LIAR, LIAR, LIAR. AFTER ADMITTING THAT YOU HAVE A SUBSTITUTE HIERARCHY AND THAT YOU EXERCIZE AUTHORITY EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE. HA HA HA... TELL THAT TO THE MARINES, TARSIER DE MALALA. HA HA HA...

[There can be no question of the "Church of Lefebvre" as the newspapers report it. There is simply the Catholic Church with its incomprehensible and generalized failings, and in the Catholic Church the clergy which has remained entirely faithful to the Faith, and with, because it was necessary, a certain organization, and bishops with their power over the faithful but which is only a supplied power.]

THAT IS NOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THAT IS THE CHURCH OF SATAN. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS BUILT ON PETER AND NEVER WITHOUT PETER. A POPELESS CHURCH IS NEVER CATHOLIC BUT PROTESTANT. GO TO HELL TARSIER. RETURN TO HELL WHERE YOU CAME FROM AND WHERE YOU BELONG.

[This is the Error by Excess: to say that there is no longer any hierarchy in the Church, and that we must therefore create a jurisdiction and submit ourselves to this jurisdiction. We may as well create a new church! This is an error, for we cannot create a church.]

NO MATTER HOW YOU EMPLOY VERBAL GYMNASTICS YOUR POSITION IS ERRONEOUS AND ANTI-CATHOLIC. IT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY TRADITION BUT PROTESTANT IN NATURE AND IN MODE. YOU HAVE BEEN POSSESSED BY THE SAME DEMON THAT POSSESSED LUTHER AND LEFEBVRE. 

[Error by Defect: "Our Priests do not have Jurisdiction. Therefore, we are Free!"]

HA HA HA... WHAT A PATHETIC FOOL. YOUR SSPX PRIESTS DO NOT HAVE JURISDICTION. THEREFORE YOU ARE PROTESTANT IN NATURE.

[The error in the direction of too little would be to say that the traditional priests in our priories and in the convents have not received jurisdiction from the Pope or the bishop and have therefore no power over us.]

HA HA HA... THE POPE HAS POWER OVER YOU BUT YOU ARE REFUSING IT JUST LIKE ARIUS, NESTORIUS, LUTHER AND THE HERESIARCHS DID.

["What right have they to require something of us? We are indeed free! Let us stay free! We are free to place ourselves under their authority or not."]

VERY NICE DRAMATIZATION. DO YOU WANT ME TO GIVE YOU AN OVATION FOR SUCH A HALLUCINATORY MONOLOGUE? HA HA HA...

[Such a mentality is also a danger which is opposed to the sense of the Church.]

INDEED, BUT YOUR ALTERNATIVE AND WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING AND WHAT YOU HAVE CHOSEN TO IMPLEMENT IS AS EQUALLY EVIL AND UNACCEPTABLE.

[This would be to take advantage of the crisis in the Church because of the appearance of freedom which it gives. It is especially dangerous for the lay apostolate where, it is true, there is a large part of freedom. For very often the tasks performed by lay people are not the specific tasks of a priest, such as, for example, to spread the Christian social order in the State. There is, therefore, a certain element of autonomy in the Catholic action of the laity. This is true. But it is not the sense of the Church to dispense oneself entirely from every link with the hierarchy. To say this on account of the crisis in the Church, because "the traditional clergy has no ordinary power over us" would be to really lack a sense of the Church. Let us therefore avoid these two snags of either going too far or not going far enough.]

YOU DIDN'T AVOID IT. YOU ARE HEADED TOWARD IT. YOU PRETEND TO BE AVOIDING IT BUT DE JURE ET DE FACTO YOU ARE INDENPENDENT AND FREE FROM THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE. YOU HAVE BECOME THE EVIL THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO AVOID. YOU'VE BEEN BITTEN BY THE SERPENT THAT YOU KEPT CONTROLLED INSIDE YOUR CAGE NOT NOWING THAT IT HAS OVERTAKEN THE BARRIER. 

November 17, 2011 10:17 PM