The Icon of the Holy Trinity as the Three Heavenly Visitors of Abraham the Patriarch...
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Father Abe, ang Holy Spirit ba ay separate o iba siya sa Ama at Anak? Pakilinaw lang po kasi naguguluhan ako.
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Fr. Abe, CRS said...
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[Father Abe, ang Holy Spirit ba ay separate o iba siya sa Ama at Anak? Pakilinaw lang po kasi naguguluhan ako.]
ANG FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT ARE NOT SEPARATED BECAUSE THEY ARE ONE. THIS IS VERY CLEAR IN THE BIBLE:
1 Jn 5:7 [KJV] For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1 Jn 5:7 [DRB] And there are Three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.
AS YOU CAN SEE BOTH THE PROTESTANT KING JAMES VERSION AND THE CATHOLIC BIBLE - THE DOUIAY-RHEIMS - STATES THAT THE FATHER, THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT ARE ONE. THIS IS A FURTHER PROOF OF THE UNITY OF THE 3 PERSONS OF ONE GOD AS SUPPORTED BY JOHN 10:30 CONCERNING THE FATHER AND THE SON. THAT IS WHY WE ARE TEACHING THAT THEY ARE NOT SEPARATED BUT UNITED AS ONE. HOWEVER, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE UNITED THEY ARE DINGUISHED AS 'FATHER' 'SON' AND 'HOLY SPIRIT'... THIS IS NOT SEPARATION BUT THEY ARE MERELY DISTINCT. JUST LIKE THE FIRE AND THE HEAT THEY ARE ONE BUT DISTINCT.
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isa po akong protestante at gusto ko sanang malaman kung ano ano ba ang requirements para maging catholic?
ReplyDeletegusto ko na po kasing maging katoliko kaso hindi ko alam ang proseso. yung ilang araw ho ba o ano ano ang dapat kong gawin bago ko mabautismuhan.
maraming salamat po
[isa po akong protestante at gusto ko sanang malaman kung ano ano ba ang requirements para maging catholic?
ReplyDeletegusto ko na po kasing maging katoliko kaso hindi ko alam ang proseso. yung ilang araw ho ba o ano ano ang dapat kong gawin bago ko mabautismuhan.
maraming salamat po]
PLEASE GO TO YOUR PARISH PRIEST. MAGPAKILALA KA. SABIHIN MONG GUSTO MONG MAGING KATOLIKO. SIYA ANG MAG-AASIKASO SA IYO.
PLEASE IBAHAGI MO NAMAN SAAMIN ANG STORY AT REASON PANO KA NAGDESISYONG MAGING CATOLICO.
nakakalito talaga. kung isa lang silang tatlo, bakit sinabi ni God sa genesis 1, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness..." if may kausap siya diyan, ibig sabihin hindi siya mag-isa. dalawa sila or tatlo sila or apat sila. pero ano po ba talaga ang ibig sabihin ng "isa" sa doktrinang Holy Trinity? does it mean united in teachings, meaning hindi sila salungat sa isa't isa? at sabi ni soriano yun daw ang ibig sabihin ng "isa" noong sinabi ni jesus na ang ama at anak ay iisa, meaning hindi sila nagsasalungatan, at pinapatunayan pa iyon sa ibang verses, kaso nakalimutan ko na father kung anong verse yon. sa totoo lang father mas naiintindihan ko pa ang ganitong explanation. on the other hand naman does "one" literally mean iisa lang silang lahat, meaning si Jesus ay si God the father din mismo at si God the Father ay si Jesus din mismo at silang dalawa ay si Holy Spirit din mismo. Kahit magresearch ako about the doctrine of the Holy Trinity in other sites nalilito pa rin ako. hay... sana maliwanagan ako. tapos sabi pa ni Soriano. papano daw sasabihin ng diyos na "lalangin natin...." kung totoong iisa lang siya. at bakit daw kung kausapin ni jesus ang kanyang ama kinakausap niya ito bilang ama niya at hindi niya kinakausap ang kanyang sarili. at sinasabi rin ni jesus na sinend siya ng ama. so pano magiging isa kung merong sinend at magsend. siguro ang napapalito sakin ay ang ibig sabihin ng ISA. i hope you can help me father. thanks!
ReplyDeleteFather, I've watched EWTN a few of Months ago according to Scott Han the 7 candles in the altar during the Mass is also based in the book of revelation.
ReplyDeleteBRO. KEB YOU SHOULD HAVE POSTED THAT IN THE TOPIC ABOVE ON CANDLES. HA HA HA...
ReplyDeleteI'll transfer the post... hehehe :D na misslook ko lang...hehehe
ReplyDelete[nakakalito talaga.]
ReplyDeletePRAY TO THE HOLY SPIRIT TO GRANT YOU THE GIFT OF WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING.
[kung isa lang silang tatlo, bakit sinabi ni God sa genesis 1, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness..."]
ANG KULIT NG KUKOTE MO E. HINDI NAMAN AKO ANG NAGSABI NA ISA LANG SILA KUNDI SI JESUS AT ANG BIBLIA:
John 10:30 I and the Father are ONE."
1 Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are ONE.
HINDI AKO ANG MAY SABI NA 'ONE' SILA. SI JESUS, SI SAN JUAN AT ANG BIBLIA. GAMITIN ANG ISIP.
KUNG ISA SILA BAKIT SILA NAKAKAPAG-USAP? DAHIL THEY ARE PERSONS. KAYA NGA THEY ARE ONE IN BEING BUT THREE PERSONS. ONLY PERSONS CAN COMMUNICATE, ANG PERSONA AY NAGTATAGLAY NG ISIP AT TALINO AT MAY KAKAYAHANG MAKIPAG USAP O TALASTASAN.
[if may kausap siya diyan, ibig sabihin hindi siya mag-isa.]
MALI. SABI NI CRISTO SIYA AT ANG AMA AY IISA. SO THEY ARE ONE. PERO ANG AMA AT ANG ANAK BA NAKAKAPAG-USAP? YES. SO IBIG SABIHIN KAHIT IISA SILA PWEDE PA RING MAKAPAG-COMMUNICATE. ITO AY PINALIWANAG NG SANTA IGLESIA NA SILA AY ONE IN BEING BUT THREE IN PERSONS. THEY ARE ONE IN SUBSTANCE OR ESSENCE BUT THERE IS A DISTINCTION OF PERSONS.
[dalawa sila or tatlo sila or apat sila.]
SA TAO LANG IYAN PWEDE ANG REASONING MO. DIOS ANG TINUTUKOY DITO. SI CRISTO AT ANG AMA AT ANG ESPIRITO SANTO AY ONE. WORD FOR WORD NA IYAN SA BIBLIA. IBIG SABIHIN THEY ARE ONE IN ESSENCE AND ONE IN BEING... THEY ARE SUBSTANTIALLY ONE.
[pero ano po ba talaga ang ibig sabihin ng "isa" sa doktrinang Holy Trinity?]
ReplyDeleteONE IN BEING, ONE IN ESSENCE AND ONE IN EXISTENCE. CLEAR YAN SA PHILOSOPHY. CLEAR YOUR UNDERSTANDING NG EXISTENCE OR BEING.
[does it mean united in teachings, meaning hindi sila salungat sa isa't isa?]
HINDI. KASI HINDI NAMAN SINABI NA "AKO AT ANG AMA AY NAGKAKAISA". HINDE. ANG SABI "AKO AT ANG AMA AY IISA". IBIG SABIHIN ESSENTIAL UNITY YON. HINDI LANG YON UNITY IN TEACHING WHICH IS SUPERFICIAL.
HALIMBAWA, KAHIT NA TAYO MAGKATULAD SA TEACHING HINDI PA RIN TAYO ONE, MAGKA-IBA PA RIN. ANG SABI "SILA AY IISA" SO ITS MORE THAN UNITY IN TEACHING.
[at sabi ni soriano yun daw ang ibig sabihin ng "isa" noong sinabi ni jesus na ang ama at anak ay iisa, meaning hindi sila nagsasalungatan, at pinapatunayan pa iyon sa ibang verses,]
BOBO SI MAMA ELI. TANGA IYAN AT WALANG PINAG-ARALAN SA PHILOSOPHY KAYA GUNGGONG.
YUNG VERSE NA IYAN NA TINUTUKOY NIYA AY NASAGOT NA DITO. BASAHIN MO ANG IBA PANG POSTS KO TUNGKOL SA HOLY TRINITY. CLIK THE LABEL "HOLY TRINITY". NANDUON.
ANG AMA AT ANG ANAK AY NAGKAKAISA SA TEACHINGS SUBALIT HIGIT PA DUON. IISA SILA IN BEING AND IN ESSENCE.
[kaso nakalimutan ko na father kung anong verse yon.]
ReplyDeleteWALANG SINASABI SA MGA TALATANG IYON NA SILA AY MAGKA-IBA. ANG SABI "SILA AY IISA". ESSENTIAL ONENESS YAN.
[sa totoo lang father mas naiintindihan ko pa ang ganitong explanation.]
IBIG SABIHIN MABABAW PA ANG IYONG PAG-IISIP KULANG KA SA LOGICAL THINKING. HINDI MO ALAM ANG MEANING NG ONE, BEING, EXISTENCE, ESSENCE, SUBSTANCE, PERSON... MAG-ARAL NG PHILOSOPHY AT LOGIC.
[on the other hand naman does "one" literally mean iisa lang silang lahat, meaning si Jesus ay si God the father din mismo at si God the Father ay si Jesus din mismo at silang dalawa ay si Holy Spirit din mismo.]
ANG TURO NG SIMBAHAN THERE IS ONE GOD WITH THREE DIVINE PERSONS: FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. THEY ARE ONE IN ESSENCE BUT DISTINCT IN PERSONS. KAYA THEY ARE ONE IN EXISTENCE AS GOD BUT IN THAT UNITY THERE ARE DISTINCTIONS OF PERSONS AS FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. KAYA ONE IN THREE. MAY UNITY AT MAY DISTINCTIONS.
MALINAW YAN. YUNG NAGKAKAISA SA ARAL HINDI SILA IISA YUNG ARAL ANG ISA DUON. ANG SABI "AKO AT ANG AMA AY IISA" SO SILA ANG IISA HINDI YUNG ARAL NILA. MAGKAIBA YUNG ISA ANG ARAL AT YUNG THE FATHER AND JESUS ARE ONE. DAPAT: "THE TEACHING OF MY FATHER AND I ARE ONE." HE HE HE MALAYO.
[Kahit magresearch ako about the doctrine of the Holy Trinity in other sites nalilito pa rin ako. hay... sana maliwanagan ako.]
SANA NGA. YOU CAN ONLY UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU WILL PRAY FOR THE GUIDANCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AND ALSO LEARN MORE PHILOSOPHY.
[tapos sabi pa ni Soriano. papano daw sasabihin ng diyos na "lalangin natin...." kung totoong iisa lang siya.]
TANGA PALA SI MAMA ELI. ANG PERSONS OF GOD ANG NAG-UUSAP. SAAN NAKASAAD SA BIBLIA NA KAPAG NAG-USAP ANG FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT AY HINDI NA SILA IISA? SA TAO NGA PWEDE MONG KAUSAPIN ANG SARILI MO. MERONG INTERNAL DIALOGUE, MERONG SELF-COMMUNICATION AT MERONG SPEECH NA SOLILOQUY... O SPEECH NA SARILI ANG KINAKAUSAP. KUNG SA TAO PWEDE IYON SA DIOS PA KAYA.
[at bakit daw kung kausapin ni jesus ang kanyang ama kinakausap niya ito bilang ama niya at hindi niya kinakausap ang kanyang sarili.]
DAHIL NGA MAY DISTINCTION OF PERSONS. THE PERSON OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON ARE DISTINCT. IT IS THEIR ESSENCE THAT IS ONE.
[at sinasabi rin ni jesus na sinend siya ng ama. so pano magiging isa kung merong sinend at magsend.]
SINABI NI JESUS NA HE WAS SENT BY GOD AT SINABI RIN NI JESUS NA IISA SILA NG AMA SO IT MEANS PAREHONG TAMA IYON. WALANG SALUNGATAN DUON. THEY ARE ONE IN BEING OR ESSENCE BUT THEY THEY ARE DISTINCT IN PERSON. THE PERSON OF THE FATHER SENT THE SON BUT THEY ARE STILL ONE IN BEING OR ESSENCE.
[siguro ang napapalito sakin ay ang ibig sabihin ng ISA. i hope you can help me father. thanks!]
YES, ANO BA ANG IBIG SABIHIN NG ISA?
IN METAPHYSICS 'ONE' MEANS 'INDIVISSIBLE BY ITSELF'. ANG ISA AY HINDI HINDI NAHAHATI SA KANYANG SARILI. HALIMBAWA SINABI MO ONE HOUSE. THAT ONE HOUSE IS ONLY ONE. ISA LANG. SUBALIT PAG SINABI MONG ONE HOUSE WITH TWO ROOMS. HINDI NAGING DALAWA ANG HOUSE. ILAN YON? ISA PA RIN. ANG TWO ROOMS AY DISTINGUISHED AS PART OF ONE HOUSE. ONE IN BEING, ONE IN ESSENCE BUT TWO IN ROOMS.
SA CASE NI GOD ANG SABI NG CHURCH: ONE GOD WITH THREE PERSONS: FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. ILAN ANG GOD? ONE. BUT IN ONE GOD THERE IS THE PERSONS OF THE FATHER AND THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. THEY ARE NOT THREE ROOMS BUT THREE PERSONS. WHAT IS PERSON? RATIONAL EXISTENCE. TATLONG MAY ISIP AT TALINO. KAYA SILA NAKAKAPAG COMMUNICATE KASI PERSONS SILA BUT ONE IN BEING OR ESSENCE.
Maayong adlaw father,
ReplyDeleteSi Paul ni from Davao.
Father gusto ko lang po malaman ang comment ninyo
about 1Jn. 5:7-8. Kasi po I used the text to support my faith in Holy Trinity in one facebook tread, but a brother muslim refuted the text being a Comma Johanneum.
Is it true father about the claims that the line the father, son and the holy ghost was not in the old bible manuscript, and it was only put there or gloss it later to support our doctrine of the Holy Trinity? I am curious about this particular text and also the Mark 13:32 dahil ito ang frequent bible scriptures na ginagamit nila para e refute or question the doctrine of Holy Trinity and even the devinity of Christ. I also check 1Jn 5:7-8 sa version ng bible ko and I am using the Christian Communty Bible(catholic pastoral edition), eto po nakalagay "There are then three testimonies: the Spirit, the water and the blood, all these three witnesses agree.
Many thanks in advace father sa sagot :)
Paul
DEAR PAUL,
ReplyDeleteIT IS TRUE THAT SOME GREEK MANUSCRIPTS DO NOT CONTAIN THAT PASSAGE WHICH IS CALLED "THE JOHANNINE COMMA". HOWEVER, THE TRUTH CONTAINED IN THAT PASSAGE IS TRULY BIBLICAL AND FOUNDED ON APOSTOLIC TEACHING. IN FACT, EVEN THE KING JAMES VERSION CONTAINED THAT PASSAGE.
IF YOU WANT A NICE DEFENSE OF THE JOHANNINE COMMA PLEASE READ THIS ONE:
http://www.studytoanswer.net/bibleversions/1john5n7.html