VATICAN II AND CHANGE - REFUTING THE CLAIMS OF THE SSPX Part 3

His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI

 

Anonymous said... 

The following is a brief summary of some changes since the Second Vatican Council: 

Adoption of Collegiality - This practice tends to weaken papal authority as well as the authority of individual bishops. As stated by Amerio "The weakening of a unifying papal authority began institutionally with the transfer in 1966 to local bishops of certain faculties previously reserved to the Holy See... The bishops' law-making power was subsequently further enlarged, with a corresponding contraction of Roman jurisdiction, and received a definitive status in the new Code of Canon Law". Also, with collegiality, bishops are said to "actually suffer a loss of control" since they may tend to relinquish their authority to local or national councils.
Increased Reliance on Lay 'Experts'
Increased Conformity to the World
Use of 'Medicine of Mercy' Rather Than Authority / Correction
Apparent Shift in Emphasis from Truth to Liberty - Contrary to the long-standing custom of fighting heresy, it now seems as though heresy is "no big deal"
Apparent Forgetfulness of the Church's True Mission of Saving Sinners From Hell
Apparent Shift from Truth to Subjectivism
Apparent Exchange of "Certainty of Truth" for "Seeking of Truth"
"Focusing on Unity at the Expense of Truth"
Dropped Liturgical Seasons (e.g. Septuagesima)
Elimination of Ember Days
Elimination of Rogation Days ("which date from at least the 400's -500's - and which the saints participated in")
Reduction / Elimination of Octaves and Vigils
Changing of Friday Abstinence Regulations
Elimination of Preparatory Period Before Lent
Relaxation of Penance in Lent - "The observance of Lent is the very badge of Christian warfare. By it we prove ourselves not to be enemies of the cross of Christ. By it we avert the scourges of divine justice. By it we gain strength against the princes of darkness, for it shields us with heavenly help. Should mankind grow remiss in their observance of Lent, it would be a detriment to God's glory, a disgrace to the Catholic religion, and a danger to Christian souls. Neither can it be doubted that such negligence would become the source of misery to the world, of public calamity, of private woe." (Pope Benedict XIV, 1741 A.D.)
Reduced Fast Days 

November 16, 2011 7:09 PM

 

Fr. Abe, CRS said... 

 

[Adoption of Collegiality - This practice tends to weaken papal authority as well as the authority of individual bishops.]

HA HA HA... YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND. COLLEGIALITY IS A CATHOLIC DOCTRINE AND ROOTED IN SACRED SCRIPTURES. IT IS FOUNDED ON THE COLLEGE OF APOSTLES AND SINCE THE BISHOPS ARE SUCCESSORS TO THE APOSTLES THEY ALSO FORM A COLLEGE WHEREIN THEY SHARE THE GOVERNANCE OF THE CHURCH UNDER THE POPE AND NOT WITHOUT THE POPE. ONLY THOSE WHO ARE IGNORANT OF THE BIBLE WILL DENY THE AUTHORITY OF THE APOSTLES AND THEIR SUCCESSORS.

[As stated by Amerio "The weakening of a unifying papal authority began institutionally with the transfer in 1966 to local bishops of certain faculties previously reserved to the Holy See...]

THIS AMERIO IS OUT OF HIS MIND. COLLEGIALITY DID NOT WEAKEN THE PAPACY BUT STRENGTHENED AND SUPPORTED IT. THE DOCTRINE GIVES CLARIFICATION ON THE AUTHORITY OF THE BISHOPS IN COMMUNION WITH THE POPE AND HOW THEY CAN EFFECTIVELY SERVE THE CHURCH BY WORKING TOGETHER WITH ONE ANOTHER UNDER THE POPE.

ON THE CONTRARY, IT IS THE SSPX THAT WEAKENS THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE BECAUSE IT REJECTED THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS AND TWISTED CATHOLIC TEACHINGS TO ESCAPE SUBMISSION TO THE SAME POPE AND BISHOPS. HEY, SSPX STOP THROWING TO US YOUR OWN EVIL PRACTICES.

IF THE POPE GAVE CERTAIN FACULTY PREVIOUSLY EXCLUSIVE OF THE HOLY SEE THAT IS THE PREROGATIVE OF THE POPE. THE POPE BEING THE BEARER OF THE KEYS OF PETER CAN GIVE AND CAN ALSO TAKE BACK. WHO IS THIS AMERIO TO QUESTION THE DECISION OF THE POPE? WHO IS THE ANIMAL? WE DON'T KNOW HIM AND WE DO NOT RECOGNIZE HIS AUTHORITY.

[The bishops' law-making power was subsequently further enlarged, with a corresponding contraction of Roman jurisdiction, and received a definitive status in the new Code of Canon Law".]

LIAR, LIAR, LIAR... COLLEGIALITY REFERS TO THE AUTHORITY OF THE BISHOPS IN THEIR OWN JURISDICTION AND ALSO THEIR GATHERING TOGETHER IN NATIONAL CONFERENCES SO THAT THEY CAN HELP EACH OTHER IN FACING THE PROBLEMS OF GOVERNANCE IN THEIR OWN RESPECTIVE NATION. BUT THE POWER OF THE POPE IS ABSOLUTE AND FULL IN BOTH DIOCESAN LEVEL AND IN NATIOANAL LEVEL. THE POWER OF THE POPE IS ABOLUTE AND SUPREME IN THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH, AS A WHOLE AND IN EVERY LOCALITIES. SO WHAT WEAKENING ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

[Also, with collegiality, bishops are said to "actually suffer a loss of control" since they may tend to relinquish their authority to local or national councils.]

THIS AMERIO IS SUFFERING FROM INTERNAL CRISIS WHICH COULD BE MENTAL. HE IS IGNORANT OF THE FACT THAT THE NATIONAL CONFERENCES OF BISHOPS HAVE NO JURISDICTION IN LOCAL DIOCESES. THAT POWER BELONGS TO THE BISHOP OF THE DIOCESE AND TO THE POPE ULTIMATELY. THE NATIONAL CONFERENCES IS A MERE CONFERENCE... A GATHERING OF BISHOPS TO HELP AND SUPPORT EACH OTHER AND FOR THEM TO HAVE A COLLECTIVE VOICE.

INSTEAD OF BEING HAPPY THAT BISHOPS ARE GATHERING TOGETHER FOR THE GOOD OF THEIR NATION THE SSPX ARE ANGRY LIKE SATAN, ALWAYS BITTER IN ANY DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING IN THE CHURCH. 

 

[Increased Reliance on Lay 'Experts']

HA HA HA... THE SSPX HAVE GONE TO THE DOGS. WHO IN HIS RIGHT MIND REJECTS RELIANCE ON LAY EXPERTS? OF COURSE WE RELY ON EXPERTS WHETHER CLERIC, RELIGIOUS, MONKS, MEN OR WOMEN, OR LAY. EXPERTS MUST ALWAYS BE CONSULTED ACCORDING TO THEIR EXPERTISE. NOT TO RELY ON EXPERTS IS A SIGN OF PRIDE AND LACK OF WISDOM.

[Increased Conformity to the World]

HA HA HA... EVEN DURING THE APOSTOLIC TIMES THIS PROBLEM WAS STRONG IN THE CHURCH. THAT IS WHY THE APOSTLES KEEP ON REMINDING THE FAITHFUL NOT TO CONFORM TO THE WORLD. AND DURING THE MIDDLE AGES THIS IS ALSO AN ISSUE IN THE CHURCH BUT THE MONKS AND ST. FRANCIS DIDN'T DISOBEY THE POPE. AND IN THE 16TH CENTURY MARTIN LUTHER USED THE SAME ISSUE TO DEFY THE POPE AND LEFEBVRE IS FOLLOWING THE FOOTSTEPS OF LUTHER RATHER THAN OF ST. FRANCIS OF ASSISI.

YOU HYPOCRITE SSPX. YOU HAVE WIDENED YOUR PHYLACTERIES AND HAVE SOWN GOLDEN VESTMENTS FOR YOUR WORSHIP BUT YOUR OBEDIENCE TO THE VICAR OF CHRIST IS MADE OF GARBAGE. REFORM YOUR WAYS AND HUMBLE YOURSELF.

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH NEVER TAUGHT THE FAITHFUL TO CONFORM TO THE WORLD BUT TO RENEW THE WORLD BY ENGAGING AND CONFRONTING IT WITH THE GOSPEL VALUES. THAT IS THE REASON WHY THE MODERNISTS AND THE LIBERALS ARE ANGRY AT THE POPE NOT AT LEFEBVRE WHO HAD DONE NOTHING TO FIGHT THE WORLD. JOHN XXIII CONFRONTED THE WORLD WITH PACEM IN TERRIS, PAUL VI CONFRONTED THE WORLD WITH HUMANAE VITAE AND JOHN PAUL THE GREAT CONFRONTED THE WORLD WITH VERITATIS SPLENDOR. BUT WHAT DID LEFEBVRE DID TO CONFRONT THE EVIL OF THIS WORLD? TO DEFY AND DISOBEY THE POPE LIKE THE MASONS, THE MODERNISTS, THE LIBERALS, THE ABORTIONISTS AND THE CONDOMISTS. SHAME ON YOU SSPX.

[Use of 'Medicine of Mercy' Rather Than Authority / Correction]

O NO, NO, NO... LIAR, LIAR, LIAR. ONLY FOOLS AND IGNORANT CAN BE DECIEVED BY YOUR CLEVER TRICK. HERE IS THE CORRECT STATEMENT OF POPE JOHN XXIII IN THE OPENING OF VATICAN II:

"And often errors vanish as quickly as they arise, like fog before the sun The Church has always opposed these errors. Frequently she has condemned them with the greatest severity. Nowadays however, the Spouse of Christ prefers to make use of the medicine of mercy rather than that of severity." [BLESSED JOHN XXIII, Gaudet Mater Ecclesia]

CONTRARY TO YOUR CLAIM THE POPE DIDN'T SAY THAT THE CHURCH WILL NO LONGER USE ITS AUTHORITY AND WILL NO LONGER CORRECT ERRORS. INSTEAD WILL APPLY THE MEDICINE OF MERCY RATHER THAN SEVERITY. YOU TWISTED IT TO APPEAR AS IF THE POPE IS RELINQUISHING AUTHORITY AND CORRECTION. EXCUSE ME. TELL THAT TO THE MARINES.

THE POPE AND THE COUNCIL SIMPLY WANTS TO BE MORE CHARITABLE. INSTEAD THE SSPX ARE ANGRY FOR THAT. LIKE SATAN WHO IS SO ANGRY WITH CHARITY THE SSPX PREFERS THE MEDICINE OF SEVERITY AND HATRED. BUT THESE ANIMALS WANT TO BE TREATED WITH LOVE AND RESPECT. THEY DONT WANT TO BE CRITICIZED. HELLO. WE ARE NOT BORN YESTERDAYS. WE KNOW YOUR TRUE COLORS. WE ARE NOT DECEIVED BY YOUR LIES AND DECEPTIONS. 

 

[Apparent Shift in Emphasis from Truth to Liberty - Contrary to the long-standing custom of fighting heresy, it now seems as though heresy is "no big deal"]

ONCE AGAIN MAY I REMIND YOU NOT TO IMPOSE YOUR OWN DELUSIONS ON US. OUR EMPHASIS IS ON THE PERSON OF JESUS CHRIST WHO IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. JESUS IS BOTH THE TRUTH AND THE SOURCE OF LIBERTY. THE TWO ARE NOT OPPOSED TO EACH OTHER BUT RATHER ESSENTIALLY INTERCONNECTED AND HARMONIOUS. ONLY FOOLS WILL SET THEM OPPOSED TO ONE ANOTHER. YOU ONLY SHOWED THAT YOU ARE IN ERROR BECAUSE ALL VIRTUES ARE ONE IN GOD.

AND IT IS NOT TRUE THAT WE ARE NOT FIGHTING HERESIES. WE ARE THE ONES FIGHTING HERESIES. THE POPE IS LEADING US IN FIGHTING THE HERESIES. NOT THE SSPX AND NOT LEFEBVRE. I AM FIGHTING HERESIES MORE THAN BERNARD FELLAY AND TISSIER DE MALLERAIS COMBINED. I CONFRONT THE HERETICS HERE ON DAILY BASIS AND ON MEDIA. THE NOVUS ORDO CATHOLIC APOLOGISTS IN THE U.S. RUNS THE BIGGEST CATHOLIC APOLOGETICS IN THE AMERICAS AND IN THE PHILIPPINES FROM 1936 THE CATHOLIC FAITH DEFENDERS CONFRONT THE HERESIES AND I AM THEIR NATIONAL SPIRITUAL DIRECTOR AT THE PRESENT. I'VE BEEN ACTIVE IN APOLOGETICS SINCE HIGH SCHOOL DAYS WHEN THE ONLY MASS THAT I KNOW THEN WAS THE TAGALOG MASS.

HOW ABOUT THE SSPX? WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO CONFRONT AND DEFEAT THE HERETICS? ALMOST ZERO, EXCEPT FEW PRETENSIONS. THE NOVUS ORDO PEOPLE ARE THE ONES DEFEATING AND DESTROYONG HERESIES WHILE THE SSPX PRIESTS ARE SCRATCHING THEIR BALLS INSIDE THEIR EXPENSIVE COSSACKS, COPES AND VESTMENTS. YOU ARE USELESS AGAINST THE HERETICS AND THE HERETICS DO NOT BOTHER YOU BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT YOU ARE USELESS. THEY CONFRONT AND FIGHT US, NOT YOU. THEY ATTACK THE POPE NOT LEFEBVRE.

THE SSPX ACTUALLY HELPS MORE THE HERETICS BY UNDERMINING THE AUTHORITY OF THE POPE FROM WITHIN THE CHURCH EVEN THOUGH CANONICALLY THEY ARE OUT OF THE CHURCH. YOU WILL GO TO HELL FOR THAT. YOU WILL PAY FOR ALL THE EVILS THAT YOU HAVE DONE AGAINST THE PERSON AND AUTHORITY OF THE VICAR OF CHRIST. 

 

[Apparent Forgetfulness of the Church's True Mission of Saving Sinners From Hell]

HA HA HA... IT IS THE POPE THAT SAVES SINNERS FROM HELL BY THE POWER OF THE KEYS OF PETER. IT IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THAT SAVES SOULS IN THE NAME OF CHRIST. THE SSPX ARE OUTSIDE THIS CHURCH. THEY PRETEND TO BE IN BUT IN REALITY THEY ARE OUT. LEFEBVRE DIED OUTSIDE THE CHURCH WHERE THERE IS NO SALVATION.

THE GOAL OF SSPX IS TO DEFY THE POPE AND TO DECEIVE MORE CATHOLICS TO JOIN THEIR REBELLION. BUT THE GOAL OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS TO SAVE SOULS. THAT IS WHY MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF SOULS CRY OUT EVERY TIME THE POPE PASSES BUT FOR LEFEBVRE AND FOR FELLAY THEY ARE PIECE OF JUNK INCOMPARISON WITH THE POPE BECAUSE THE SENSUS FIDEI KNOWS WHO IS THE REAL SHEPHERD AND WHO IS THE FAKE. THE SSPX IS FAKE THAT IS WHY IT IS MARKED BY AN X PRECEEDDED BY TWO "S" FOR SERPENTESS.

[Apparent Shift from Truth to Subjectivism]

DELUSIONAL. FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TRUTH IS NOT SUBJECTIVE BUT OBJECTIVE AND NOT ONLY OBJECTIVE IT IS A PERSON - AN INCARNATE GOD - THE PERSON OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. ARE YOU IGNORANT OF THAT? HE HE HE...

[Apparent Exchange of "Certainty of Truth" for "Seeking of Truth"]

HA HA HA... FOR THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE IS CERTAINTY OF TRUTH BECAUSE JESUS IS CERTAIN AND TRUE. AND THE CHURCH POSSESSED THE FULLNESS OF TRUTH - THE SPLENDOR OF TRUTH - THAT IS THE LORD JESUS. ARE YOU IGNORANT OF THAT?

BUT, AS THE CHURCH POSSESSES THE FULLNESS OF TRUTH HER FAITHFUL IS STILL SEEKING FOR TRUTH IN THE SENSE THAT THEY ARE ASKING THE HOLY SPIRIT FOR MORE KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH OF CHRIST. THAT IS WHY THERE IS CHRISTIAN PEDAGOGY, THERE IS A CATHOLIC EDUCATION AND THERE IS SPIRITUAL FORMATION IN THE CHURCH. ARE YOU IGNORANT OF THAT FACT? 

 

["Focusing on Unity at the Expense of Truth"]

HA HA HA... ANOTHER DELUSIONAL CLAIM FROM AN IGNORANT FOOL. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SEEKS UNITY, YES. BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF TRUTH. WHAT TRUTH DID WE COMPROMISE? WHAT TRUTH DID WE ABANDONE? NONE.

WE DIALOGUE WITH NON CATHOLICS SO THAT WE CAN CONVINCE THEM OF THE TRUTH OF THE FAITH. THAT IS THE REASON WHY THE GREAT PROTESTANT THEOLOGIAN MAX THURIAN CONVERTED TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH BECAUSE OF POPE PAUL VI AS WELL AS BRO. ROGER OF TAIZE. WHOM DID LEFEBVFE OR FELLAY CONVERT TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH? NONE. NADA, NUNCA. IN RUSSIAN: NYET, NYET. HA HA HA...

BECAUSE OF JOHN PAUL THE GREAT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF EVANGELICALS AND BORN AGAIN IN THE U.S. BECAME CATHOLICS.INCLUDING THE GREAT DR. SCOTT HAHN AND THE ANGLICAN BISHOP OF LONDON LEONARD GRAHAM CROSSED THE TIBER. IMAGINE, THE 3RD HIGHEST LEADER OF THE ANGLICAN CHURCH CONVERTED. HOW ABOUT LEFEBVRE AND FELLAY WHO ARE THEIR CONVERTS? NONE. NADA, NUNCA. IN RUSSIAN: NYET, NYET. HA HA HA..

POPE BENEDICT XVI WHEN HE AS STILL CARDINAL WAS INTERVIEWED BY PETER SEEWALD [AN AGNOSTIC] IN A SERIES OF ONE ON ONE DIALOGUES WHICH LATER PUBLISHED IN BOOKS AND TURNED OUT BEST-SELLERS. THEN EVEN BEFORE HE BECAME POPE, THE AGNOSTIC PETER SEEWALD CONVERTED TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. HOW ABOUT LEFEBVRE AND FELLAY? WHO ARE THEIR CONVERTS? NONE. NADA, NUNCA. IN RUSSIAN: NYET, NYET. HA HA HA..

[Dropped Liturgical Seasons (e.g. Septuagesima)]

WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT THE LITURGICAL SEASONS CANNOT BE REVISED OR EDITED? ARE THOSE LITURGICAL SEASONS DOGMA OF THE CHURCH? THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE CHANGEABLE.

[Elimination of Ember Days]

WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT THE EMBER DAYS CANNOT BE REVISED OR EDITED? ARE THOSE LITURGICAL SEASONS DOGMA OF THE CHURCH? THEY ARE NOT. THEY ARE CHANGEABLE AND REMOVABLE. BUT WAS IT REALLY ELIMINATED? NO. HERE:

On February 17, 1966, Pope Paul VI's decree Paenitemini excluded the Ember Days as days of fast and abstinence for Roman Catholics.[2]

The revision of the liturgical calendar in 1969 laid down the following rules for Ember Days and Rogation days:

In order to adapt the rogation and ember days to various regions and the different needs of the people, the conferences of bishops should arrange the time and plan of their celebration.

Consequently, the competent authority should lay down norms, in view of local conditions, on extending such celebrations over one or several days and on repeating them during the year.

On each day of these celebrations the Mass should be one of the votive Masses for various needs and occasions that is best suited to the intentions of the petitioners.[3]

They may appear in some calendars as "days of prayer for peace"

IT IS NO LONGER CALLED EMBER DAYS BUT DAYS OF PRAYER FOR PEACE. WHAT IS WRONG AND EVIL ABOUT THAT?

[Elimination of Rogation Days ("which date from at least the 400's -500's - and which the saints participated in")]

AS STATED ABOVE TT IS NOT ELEMINATED BUT REVISED. 

 

[Reduction / Elimination of Octaves and Vigils
Changing of Friday Abstinence Regulations
Elimination of Preparatory Period Before Lent]

WELL, THE CHURCH DECIDED TO SIMPLIFY THE LITURGY. WHAT HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT IN THE REVISION ARE NOT ESSENTIAL TO THE PRAYER AND WORSHIP OF THE CHURCH AND THEIR PURPOSE ARE NOT ELIMINATED BUT MERELY EXPRESSED IN DIFFERENT WAYS THAT ARE STILL BASED ON THE TRADITION OF THE CHURCH. WHO ARE YOU TO QUESTION THE AUTHORITY OF THE VICAR OF CHRIST. EVEN IF YOU CRY YOUR HEART OUT WHAT HAD BEEN REVISED IS REVISED AND THEY CAN ONLY BE RETURNED BY THE SAME AUTHORITY WHO REMOVED THEM. THAT IS WHY THESE THINGS ARE COMING OUT AGAIN DUE TO SUMMORUM PONTIFICUM OF THE POPE.

[Relaxation of Penance in Lent - "The observance of Lent is the very badge of Christian warfare. By it we prove ourselves not to be enemies of the cross of Christ. By it we avert the scourges of divine justice. By it we gain strength against the princes of darkness, for it shields us with heavenly help. Should mankind grow remiss in their observance of Lent, it would be a detriment to God's glory, a disgrace to the Catholic religion, and a danger to Christian souls. Neither can it be doubted that such negligence would become the source of misery to the world, of public calamity, of private woe." (Pope Benedict XIV, 1741 A.D.)]

HA HA HA... THANK YOU FOR QUOTING OUR POPE WHO IS NOT YOUR POPE BECAUSE YOU ARE POPELESS. THE FACT THAT POPE BENEDICT STATED THAT PROVED THAT THE OBSERVANCE OF PENANCE DURING LENT WAS NOT REDUCED AT ALL BUT RATHER THE POPE REVISED ITS EXPRESSION BY NOT USING WORDS THAT CONNOTES IMPOSITION. THE PENANCE OF LENT MUST BE DONE WHOLEHEARTEDLY BY A CATHOLIC.

[Reduced Fast Days]

YOU CAN FAST AS MUCH AS YOU WANT UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF YOUR CONFESSOR. IF YOU WANT MUCH FASTING THEN YOU SHOULD START IT IN SSPX BECAUSE YOU ARE TROUBLED BY THE DEMON OF REBELLION. 

November 22, 2011 5:38 PM