VATICAN II AND CHANGE - REFUTING THE CLAIMS OF THE SSPX Part 5

 His Holiness, Blessed Pope John XXIII

 

Anonymous said... 

 

PART III: SUMMARY OF CHANGES SINCE VATICAN II
Shift in Emphasis From Truths to Feelings
Apparent Exchange of Certainty for Relativism
New Bible Translations - New translations of Holy Scripture have been approved which "give the Church's enemies much to be thankful for". In addition to "watering down" passages relating to the Blessed Virgin Mary, the new translations may also be criticized for certain footnotes, headers, questionable translation choices, inclusive language, "heterodox tendencies", "linguistic imprecision", etc. In fact, in one well-known, widely-used translation, the word "hell" is completely excluded.
Changed Architecture - In contrast to the splendor of Solomon's temple and to the beautiful, holy and inspiring Catholic churches of times past, many modern churches are plain, functional, barren, and even ugly. Before, they gave honor to God and "instructed and raised the heart and mind to God". Nowadays, churches tend to be egalitarian and often fail to achieve the lifting of one's heart and mind to God.
Shift From Individual Responsibility to Community Responsibility / Near Elimination of Personal Responsibility
Less Emphasis on the Value and Necessity of Suffering
New Canonization Procedures - The numerous changes have led to an unprecedented number of canonizations, and have also led some of the faithful to express concern over various aspects of the new procedures [e.g. elimination of the "devil's advocate", reduction of the waiting period (allowing the process to be conducted while 'emotions are high'), loosening of procedures, reduction in the number of required miracles, concerns over conflicts of interest, concerns over the elimination of unfavorable witnesses deemed "unsuitable", concerns over "political correctness" in the canonization process, concern that the process may not prevent factual errors, concern that the process has become politicized (e.g. using canonization to advance certain causes), concern over lost confidence in the process, concerns regarding the reduced role of the pope, and even some concern regarding the infallible nature of canonizations, etc.
Altered Devotions to the Blessed Virgin Mary & the Saints
Changes Which Give the Impression That Traditions & Dogmas May be Open to Compromise
Changes Which May Imply a False "Absolute Equality" of Sexes
Changed Vocabulary / Terminology (Often Ambiguous, Less Precise) - For example, rather than refer to the Church as the Catholic Church or Catholics as Catholics, they may simply be referred to by the generic term "People of God"
Frequent Surrender in the Face of Pressure
Heterodox Teachers / Prelates Frequently Tolerated -"It is a miserable time when a man's Catholic profession is no voucher for his orthodoxy, and when a teacher of religion may be within the Church's pale, yet external to her faith." (Cardinal Newman)
Over-emphasis on Human Dignity
Widespread Lack of Awareness of One's Own Sinfulness
Apparent Forgetfulness of the Reality of Evil
Toleration of Actions Which Tend to Threaten the Indissolubility of Marriage (e.g. unprecedented number of annulments) 

November 16, 2011 7:14 PM

 

Millions of  people filled every streets leading to St. Peter's Square during the Beatification of BLESSED POPE JOHN PAUL THE GREAT.

 

Fr. Abe, CRS said... 

 

[PART III: SUMMARY OF CHANGES SINCE VATICAN II]

LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE AGAIN.

[Shift in Emphasis From Truths to Feelings]

IT WAS LEFEBVRE WHO BECAUSE OF SENILITY ALLOWED HIMSELF TO ACT BASED ON FEELINGS RATHER THAN ON REASON. HE DIDN'T FOLLOW THE WISDOM OF CARDINAL OTTAVIANI, CARD. BACCI, CARD. WYSZYNSKI AND CARD. SANTOS WHO REMAINED FAITHFUL TO THE POPE AFTER SEEING THAT WHAT HAD BEEN CHANGED ARE REALLY CHANGEABLE.

NO IOTA OF CATHOLIC TRUTH HAS BEEN CHANGED. THE FAITH IS ONE AND THE SAME BUT THE SSPX ARE TOO BLIND TO REALIZE THAT.

[Apparent Exchange of Certainty for Relativism]

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE CHAMPION OF CERTITUDE OF KNOWLEDGE OVER RELATIVISM AND BLESSED POPE JOHN PAUL THE GREAT AND CARDINAL RATZINGER ARE THE BEST DEFENDER OF OBJECTIVITY OF TRUTH OVER RELATIVISM. LEFEVBRE IS A USELESS THINKER SIMILAR TO THE INTELLECTUALLY IMPOTENT WILLIAMSON AND FELLAY... JOHN PAUL THE GREAT AND RATZINGER ARE THE ONES WHO ENGAGED THE WORLD IN A LONG DECADES OF DEBATE ON PHILOSOPHICAL LEVEL SHOWING THE SPLENDOR OF TRUTH OVER RELATIVISM. NOT LEFEBVRE, NOT WILLIAMSON, NOT FELLAY AND NOT DE MALLERAIS. NO, NO, NO... DREAM ON.

WHETHER IN MORALS OR ETHICS OR IN THEOLOGY OR SPIRITUALITY OUR POPES ARE THE SHINING CHAMPIONS OF ORTHODOXY NOT YOUR WACKY OLD FOOL FOUNDER, MARCEL LEFEBVRE.

[New Bible Translations - New translations of Holy Scripture have been approved which "give the Church's enemies much to be thankful for". In addition to "watering down" passages relating to the Blessed Virgin Mary, the new translations may also be criticized for certain footnotes, headers, questionable translation choices, inclusive language, "heterodox tendencies", "linguistic imprecision", etc. In fact, in one well-known, widely-used translation, the word "hell" is completely excluded.]

IF YOU ARE NOT IGNORANT THE TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE INTO MODERN LANGUAGES USING THE LATEST MEANS OF SCHOLARSHIP AND ARCHEOLOGY WAS INITIATED BY POPE PIUS XII IN DIVINO AFFLANTU SPIRITU.

IF YOU WANT TO REJECT NEW BIBLICAL SCHOLARSHIPS AND NEW TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE THEN JUST USE THE ORIGINAL GREEK. EVEN THE VULGATE WAS A MERE TRANSLATION WHICH WAS LATER EDITED AND RE-EDITED CENTURIES BEFORE VATICAN II.

MUCH MORE, YOU ARE ONLY PROVING THAT YOU ARE IGNORANT OF CATHOLIC THEOLOGY AND PROTESTANT THEOLOGY. BECAUSE AS A CATHOLIC APOLOGIST I'VE BEEN USING THOSE MODERN TRANSLATIONS AS WEAPONS TO DEBATE AND DEFEAT AND TO SHAME THE PROTESTANTS. INSTEAD OF BEING A CRYING BABY LIKE YOU AND YOUR WACKY OLD FOOL LEFEBVRE I CHOSE TO FIGHT THE ENEMIES OF THE FAITH IN UNION WITH MY POPE AND BISHOP. THOSE BIBLES ARE CATHOLICS AS LONG AS THEY ARE GIVEN THE IMPRIMATUR AND NIHIL OBSTAT AND THE CENSOR DEPUTATIS SIGNATURES OR IN SHORT, OFFICIAL RECOGNITION.

THE PROBLEM WITH YOU IS THAT YOU DO NOT LOOK AT THE GOOD THINGS. YOU FIND EVIL EVEN ON THINGS THAT ARE GOOD. YOU ARE POISONED BY LEFEBVRE LUCIFERIAN REBELLION AGAINST THE SEE OF PETER. 

 

[Changed Architecture - In contrast to the splendor of Solomon's temple and to the beautiful, holy and inspiring Catholic churches of times past, many modern churches are plain, functional, barren, and even ugly.]

THERE WERE ALSO UGLY AND SIMPLY CHURCHES PRIOR TO VATICAN II. THE CATHEDRALS AND THE GREAT CHAPELS AND THE BASILICAS WERE BEAUTIFUL BUT THE REST WERE SIMPLE ONLY. THE SAME THING NOW. THE GREAT CATHEDRALS AND BASILICAS ARE BEAUTIFUL BUT THE POOR CHURCHES OF POOR PEOPLE ARE SIMPLE. BESIDES, YOU HAVE FORGOTTEN THE FACT THAT SIMPLICITY IS BEAUTY. YOUR CONCEPT OF BEAUTY IS POMPOUS AND EXTRAVAGANT WHICH IS MATERIALISTIC AND THEREFORE MODERNIST.

THE SIMPLICITY OF OUR CHURCHES IS PATTERNED AFTER THE CHURCH BUILT BY THE HAND OF ST. FRANCIS OF ASSISI. SIMPLE BUT BEAUTIFUL. AND IF YOU ARE NOT AWARE, ST. FRANCIS IS A PRE-VATICAN II SAINT.

[Before, they gave honor to God and "instructed and raised the heart and mind to God". Nowadays, churches tend to be egalitarian and often fail to achieve the lifting of one's heart and mind to God.]

IF YOUR HEART AND MIND ARE NOT LIFTED DON'T BLAME THE CHURCHES BLAME YOURSELF. BLAME YOUR MIND AND HEART. IT IS YOUR MIND AND YOUR HEART THAT IS INEFFECTIVE. I GREW UP IN A VERY POOR PLACE AND OUR CHURCH WAS SMALL AND BEREFT OF ELEGANCE AND GRANDEUR BUT WE WERE HAVING STRONG FAITH IN GOD. THE DEFECT IS IN YOUR SOUL NOT IN ARCHITECTURE.

[Shift From Individual Responsibility to Community Responsibility / Near Elimination of Personal Responsibility]

HA HA HA... THIS ONE IS MORE HALLUCINATORY RATHER THAN REAL. ONLY IDIOTS WILL BELIEVE THIS ONE. SIMPLE READING OF THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WILL DISPEL THIS STUPID CLAIM. THIS GUY MUST BE IGNORANT OF THE BASIC CATHOLIC TEACHING THAT "GOD WILL JUDGE US INDIVIDUALLY AND PERSONALLY" AND IT IS CHRISTIAN DUTY TO LIVE THE FAITH PERSONALLY AND COMMUNALLY. ONLY FOOLS WILL SAY OTHERWISE.

[Less Emphasis on the Value and Necessity of Suffering]

HA HA HA... THE THEOLOGY OF THE CROSS IS WELL DEVELOPED BY OUR POPES AND THEOLOGIANS. BUT THE SSPX THEOLOGIANS HAVE NOT PRODUCED BOOKS AND MANUALS OF THIS KIND BECAUSE THEY ARE BEREFT OF THEOLOGICAL INSIGHTS AND INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY. 

 

[New Canonization Procedures - The numerous changes have led to an unprecedented number of canonizations,]

HA HA HA... IDIOT. THE NUMBER OF CANONIZATIONS IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE WERE MANY PEOPLE MARTYRED DURING THE SPANISH REVOLUTION AND THE COMMUNISTS DOMINATION. IF THERE ARE CHANGES IN THE PROCEDURES, WE GIVE THANKS TO GOD FOR THAT. BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE PROCEDURES WERE EXCESSIVE ALREADY.

IF YOU ARE NOT IGNORANT OF CHURCH HISTORY YOU WILL KNOW THAT PREVIOUSLY THERE WAS NO PROCESS OF CANONIZATION AND BEATIFICATION. STS. FRANCIS AND DOMINIC WERE CANONIZED VOX POPULI. SAME FOR ST. BENEDICT AND OTHERS OF THEIR CONTEMPORARIES. SO IF THE POPE WILL REMOVE ENTIRELY THE PROCESS OF BEATIFICATION AND CANONIZATION IT IS STILL IN ACCORD WITH THE SACRED TRADITION.

WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT THE PROCESS OF CANONIZATION MUST NOT BE CHANGED?

[and have also led some of the faithful to express concern over various aspects of the new procedures [e.g. elimination of the "devil's advocate",]

HA HA HA... WHY? DO THE SSPX MISS THE PRESENCE OF THE DEVIL? WELL, ACTUALLY YOU REPRESENT THE DEVIL ALREADY BY YOUR ATTACKS AGAINST THE POPE AND THE BISHOPS. YOU ARE SO IN-LOVED WITH THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE WHICH ONLY SHOWS THAT YOU ARE SO FOND OF THE DEVIL.

[reduction of the waiting period (allowing the process to be conducted while 'emotions are high'),]

FIVE YEARS IS NOT A VERY SHORT WAITING PERIOD. IT IS VERY LONG. BESIDES IF YOU WILL WAIT MANY YEARS MORE SOME OF THE VITAL WITNESSES COULD BE DEAD ALREADY WHICH LED TO LOSS OF VALUABLE INFORMATION ABOUT THE CANDIDATE FOR SAINTHOOD.

IF YOUR EMOTIONS ARE HIGH DON'T SPEAK FOR US BECAUSE OUR EMOTIONS ARE NOT THE SAME AS YOURS. FROM THE DEATH OF OUR WACKY OLD FOOL LEADER, LEFEBVRE, UNTIL NOW NO EMETIONS WERE HIGH FOR HIS CANONIZATION. HE WAS ALWAYS REGARDED AS REBELLIOUS FOOL EXCEPT OF FEW HANDFUL LUNATICS WHO FORM HIS POPELESS SOCIETY.

[loosening of procedures,]

IT WAS REVISED BUT NOT LOOSENED. IT IS AS STRICT AS EVER BUT LESS EXPENSIVE.

[reduction in the number of required miracles,]

THE VALUE OF MIRACLES DOES NOT DEPEND ON NUMERICAL CRITERION BUT ON ITS VALIDITY AND SPIRITUAL SIGNIFICANCE.

[concerns over conflicts of interest,]

NO SAINT HAS NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THE CHURCH BECAUSE THEY ARE SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF THE CHURCH. IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CONFLICT OF INTEREST THEN MAMA MARY, ST. JOSEPH, ST. JOHN THE BAPTIST, ST. ELIZABETH, STS. JOACHIM AND ANN COULD BE QUESTIONED BECAUSE OF CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH THE LORD JESUS.

HOW ABOUT THE DOMINICAN, JESUIT, BENEDICTINE SAINTS? THEY BECAME SAINTS DESPITE THE FACT THAT THERE ARE MANY OF THEIR CONFRERES WORKING IN THE HOLY SEE OR IN THE PROMINENT POSITIONS IN THE CHURCH. DO YOU APPLY CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON THEM? 

 

[concerns over the elimination of unfavorable witnesses deemed "unsuitable",]

HA HA HA... SAYS WHO? THOSE WITNESSES WERE DEEMED UNSUITABLE BECAUSE THEY ARE UNSUITABLE. AS IF YOUR DEVIL'S ADVOCATE DIDN'T DO SUCH A THING IN MORE NUMEROUS INSTANCES PRIOR TO VATICAN II. EXCUSE ME. YOU CAN DECEIVE OTHERS WITH THAT LIE BUT NOT HERE. WE ARE NOT BORN YESTERDAY.

[concerns over "political correctness" in the canonization process,]

EXCUSE ME. WHO AMONG OUR NEWLY CANONIZED SAINT WAS CANONIZED FOR POLITICAL CORRECTNESS? WHO? NAME NAMES. IN FACT PRIOR TO VATICAN II MOST OF THE SAINTS WERE COMING ONLY FROM THE RICH COUNTRIES OR THOSE CLOSER TO THE HOLY SEE: ITALY, SPAIN, FRANCE. SO IF YOU STUPIDLY CLAIM POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IT WILL BACKFIRE ON YOU. BECAUSE THE HOLY SEE BEFORE VATICAN II WAS SO ENAMORED BY POLITICAL POWER TO THE POINT THAT YOUR PRE-VATICAN II POPES CHOSE TO BE PRISONERS OF THE VATICAN DUE TO THE LOSS OF PAPAL ESTATES. POPE PAUL VI AND POPE JOHN PAUL THE GREAT OPPOSED THE UNITED NATIONS AND THE UNITED STATES AND THE POWERS OF EUROPE ON MORAL MATTERS. THE SAME THING FOR POPE BENEDICT XVI WHO SHOWED HIS COURAGE BY SPEAKING AGAINST ISLAM. BUT LEFEBVRE WAS A CERTIFIED COWARD. WILLIAMSON SPOKE IN FAVOR OF HITLER. HA HA HA..

YOUR ANIMAL BISHOP SPOKE IN FAVOR OF HITLER. SO, YOU LOVED THAT. YOU LOVE HIS PRO-HITLER AND ANTI-JEWISH STATEMENTS DON'T YOU? HA HA HA... THAT IS POLITICALLY CORRECT FOR YOU. HA HA HA... SHAME ON YOU SSPX.

[concern that the process may not prevent factual errors,]

ONLY IN HEAVEN WILL FACTUAL ERRORS BE TOTALLY ELIMINATED. WHAT IS CERTAIN THOUGH IS THAT THERE IS NO THEOLOGICAL AND DOCTRINAL AND SPIRITUAL ERROR IN EVERY BEATIFICATION AND CANONIZATION. THE POPE IS INFALLIBLE IN CANONIZATION. BY CANONIZING HE IS OPENING THE GATE OF HEAVEN USING THE POWER OF THE KEYS.

[concern that the process has become politicized (e.g. using canonization to advance certain causes),]

O NO, NO, NO... THIS IS PLAIN STUPID AND LIE. WHO AMONG THE NEWLY CANONIZED SAINT WAS RAISED TO THE HONOR OF THE ALTAR DUE TO POLITICAL CAUSES?

[concern over lost confidence in the process,]

HA HA HA... ONLY AMONG THE SSPX WHO ARE NOT EVEN .001 IN THE CHURCH. THE FACT THAT BEATIFICATIONS AND CANONIZATIONS ARE SO WELL ATTENDED BY HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE SHOWED THAT THE PEOPLE BELIEVE IN THE PROCESS. ONLY THE FOOLS LIKE YOU HAVE LOST CONFIDENCE IN THEM BECAUSE YOU LOST CONFIDENCE IN THE POPE. ACTUALLY IT IS THE SSPX WHO HAS LOST ALL AUTHORITY AND JURISDICTION.

[concerns regarding the reduced role of the pope, and even some concern regarding the infallible nature of canonizations, etc.]

HA HA HA... ONLY FOOLS WILL CLAIM SUCH A THING. BESIDES THE DECISION OF THE POPE TO ALLOW CARDINALS TO PRESIDE IN BEATIFICATION IS ACTUALLY SUPPORTED BY TRADITION. 

 

[Altered Devotions to the Blessed Virgin Mary & the Saints]

LIAR, LIAR, LIAR... THE DEVOTIONS TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN WAS NOT ALTERED BUT IMPROVED AND DEEPENED. IT HAS BEEN ENRICHED BY THE POPE.

[Changes Which Give the Impression That Traditions & Dogmas May be Open to Compromise]

THIS IS MORE AN SSPX HALLUCINATIONS. THE DOGMAS CANNOT BE CHANGED. IT WAS SETTLED BY BLESSED POPE JOHN XXIII IN THE COUNCIL AND EVEN PRIOR. THE DOGMAS ARE PRESERVED IN THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

[Changes Which May Imply a False "Absolute Equality" of Sexes]

IDIOT. THIS IS ALREADY SETTLED BY POPE PAUL VI WHO REFUSED TO ORDAIN WOMEN AND FOLLOWED BY JOHN PAUL THE GREAT. THIS IS CLEAR IN MULIERIS DIGNITATEM AND INTER INSIGNIORES AND IN CCC.

[Changed Vocabulary / Terminology (Often Ambiguous, Less Precise) - For example, rather than refer to the Church as the Catholic Church or Catholics as Catholics, they may simply be referred to by the generic term "People of God"]

IDIOT. EVERY MASS AND ROSARIES WHAT IS BEING DECLARED IS: "I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH"... THAT TERM "PEOPLE OF GOD" IS A THEOLOGICAL TERM THAT HELPS US UNDERSTAND BETTER THE BIBLICAL CONCEPT OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD BUT IT DIDN'T REPLACE THE OFFICIAL NAME: THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH. WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT THE OFFICIAL NAME OF THE CHURCH HAS BEEN REPLACED?

[Frequent Surrender in the Face of Pressure]

WE DO NOT SURRENDER AMIDST PRESSURE. IN FACT, WE ARE FIGHTING AGAINST THE POWERS OF THIS WORLD. THE POPES FOUGHT WITH COURAGE AGAINST THE POWERS OF THIS WORLD. IT IS LEFEBVRE AND THE SSPX AND SUCCUMB TO THE SEDUCTIONS OF SATAN TO REBEL AGAINST THE POPE. 

 

[Heterodox Teachers / Prelates Frequently Tolerated -"It is a miserable time when a man's Catholic profession is no voucher for his orthodoxy, and when a teacher of religion may be within the Church's pale, yet external to her faith." (Cardinal Newman)]

WHEN CONFRONTED BY THIS EVIL, CARDINAL NEWMAN OFFERED SOLUTION: "UNITY WITH THE VICAR OF CHRIST". EVERY TIME THE CHURCH IS CONFRONTED BY CRISES OF SUCH KIND THE FIRST SOLUTION IS UNITY WITH THE VICAR OF CHRIST. INSTEAD, THE SSPX CHOSE THE WAY OF SATAN: FIGHT AND OPPOSE THE VICAR OF CHRIST. SHAME ON YOU SSPX.

[Over-emphasis on Human Dignity]

ITS NOT OVER EMPHASIS BUT THE SSPX LACKS UNDERSTANDING OF HUMAN DIGNITY. BECAUSE IT OPERATES WITH THE MINDSET AND TIME-FRAME SUITED WHEN THE WORLD WAS STILL IMPLEMENTING SLAVERY AND DEATH PENALTY. THAT IS WHY THE SSPX IS CRUEL, HEARTLESS AND ANGRY AT THE CONCEPT OF THE GOD AND CHURCH WHO ARE MERCIFUL AND CHARITABLE.

[Widespread Lack of Awareness of One's Own Sinfulness]

WE ARE AWARE THAT WE ARE SINFUL. BUT THE SSPX ARE SO ARROGANT THAT THEY THINK ALL SINFULLNESS ARE PRESENT AMONG US BUT ABSENT IN THEIRS. YOU HYPOCRITES, REMOVED FIRST THE PLANK IN YOUR EYES.

[Apparent Forgetfulness of the Reality of Evil]

WE ARE REMINDED OF IT DAILY WHEN WE RECITE THE OUR FATHER IN OUR OWN LANGUAGE. IT IS VERY VERY PLAIN - THE REALITY OF EVIL. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT BECAUSE YOU RECITE IT IN LATIN - A LANGUAGE WHEREIN ALMOST ALL OF YOU ARE IGNORANT OF.

[Toleration of Actions Which Tend to Threaten the Indissolubility of Marriage (e.g. unprecedented number of annulments)]

IDIOT. WE ARE THE ONES FIGHTING AGAINST DIVORCE NOT THE SSPX WHO ARE DOING NOTHING BUT SCRATCHING THEIR BALLS INSIDE THEIR GOLDEN ROMAN CHASUBLES AND GREAT PHYLACTERIES. 

November 28, 2011 9:42 PM