VATICAN II AND CHANGE - REFUTING THE CLAIMS OF THE SSPX Part 7

 St. Peter Preaching on Pentecost 

 

Anonymous said... 

 

PART V: CHANGES SINCE VATICAN II

Introduction of Vernacular Language - With the adoption of the vernacular, the church loses control, she loses her universality, exchanging her prayers said in "one voice" to more closely resemble "the Tower of Babble". Not only does the Church have to waste time, money, and effort on translations - which have proven to be faulty - her doctrine has suffered from lack of safeguards. "As referring to the use of the vernacular in liturgical prayers - false, rash, disturbing the prescribed order of the celebration of the mysteries, and easily productive of many evils." (Pope Pius VI, "Auctorem Fidei", 1794 A.D.)
Communion in the Hand - This practice has also led to profanation, sacrilege, and the blurring of the distinction between priest and laity and was also "introduced illegally and as a rebellion against authority"
Reduced Eucharistic Fast
Elimination of the Altar Rail - With the removal of the altar rail, not only are communicants encouraged to stand rather than kneel for Holy Communion, but its removal serves to blur the distinction between the sanctuary and the nave and between the priest and the faithful.
"Impoverished" Liturgical Vestments
Possible Elimination of Relics in Altars - Prior to the Second Vatican Council, altars were required to contain relics. This may be traced back to the earliest days of Christianity when Christians (that is, Catholics), celebrated Masses on the tombs of saints. It also corresponds to Scripture, where we see the martyrs under the altar (See Rv. 6:9). After Vatican II, this practice may be optional.
Reduction in Altar Cloths
Replacement of Sacred Chant By Secular Music - This change has also been accompanied by a changed in musical instruments (e.g. went from a pipe organ to guitars and drums)
Elimination of Side Altars - "The proposition of the synod enunciating that it is fitting, in accordance with the order of divine services and ancient custom that there be only one altar in each temple, and therefore, that it is pleased to restore that custom, [is condemned as] rash, injurious to the very ancient pious custom flourishing and approved for these many centuries in the Church, especially in the Latin Church." (Errors of the Synod of Pistoia, Condemned in the Constitution "Auctorem fidei," Aug. 28, 1794 A.D.)
Many Dropped Feast Days - Many feast days were dropped from the universal calendar (or given a lesser status). Note that many of these feasts trace back hundreds of years or more and include especially popular, beloved saints.
Drastic Changes in Prayers for Remaining Feasts - For example, one priest has pointed out that "All Souls' Day is [now] No Souls' Day, even in the original Latin, where the word for soul (anima) has been suppressed in the prayers of November 2."
Candles in Church - Reduced or eliminated. Some may now be artificial.
Crucifix in Church - May be reduced in size, distorted, may not contain a suffering Jesus, etc. Some may be simply plain crosses
Elevation of Man / Apparent Forgetfulness of God (Man-Centered vs. God-Centered) - There seems to be a turning away of man's eyes from God to man. Further, given the changes since the Council (relaxation of penance, discipline, etc.) one might even ask, "Has the council done nothing but seek to please men?" 

November 16, 2011 7:18 PM 

 

 

Fr. Abe, CRS said...

[PART V: CHANGES SINCE VATICAN II

Introduction of Vernacular Language - With the adoption of the vernacular, the church loses control, she loses her universality,]

HA HA HA... LATIN WAS A VERNACULAR LANGUAGE AND NOT ONLY A VERNACULAR LANGUAGE BUT A VULGAR LANGUAGE. WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT BY WORSHIPPING GOD IN VARIOUS LANGUAGES THE CHURCH LOOSES HER UNIVERSALITY AND CONTROL? EVEN THE HOLY SPIRIT RESPECTED THE VARIOUS LANGUAGES OF THE PEOPLE DURING PENTECOST. THEY HEARD THE APOSTLES SPEAKING IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE. LOOK CLOSELY AT THE DOUAY-RHEIMS BIBLE:

Act 2:7-8 And they were all amazed, and wondered, saying: Behold, are not all these that speak Galilean? And how have we heard, every man our own tongue wherein we were born?

Act 2:9-10 Parthians and Medes and Elamites and inhabitants of Mesopotamia, Judea, and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome,

Act 2:11 Jews also, and proselytes, Cretes, and Arabians: we have heard them speak in our own tongues the wonderful works of God.

THE HOLY SPIRIT RESPECTED THE LANGUAGE OF EACH AND EVERY PERSON. AND POPE PAUL VI AND THE VATICAN II BISHOPS WERE FILLED WITH THE SAME SPIRIT. BUT THE SSPX IS FILLED BY THE CONTRARY spirit - THE MALEVOLENT SPIRIT OF REBELLION AND DEFIANCE.

[exchanging her prayers said in "one voice" to more closely resemble "the Tower of Babble".]

IDIOT. THE TOWER OF BABEL WAS BROUGHT BY DEFIANCE AND REBELLION AGAINST GOD WHICH IS EXACTLY THE SAME THING BEING DONE BY THE SSPX. THE ESSENCE OF BABEL WAS REBELLION AND NOT THE DIVERSITY OF LANGUAGE. THE SAME DIVERSITY OF LANGUAGE WAS PRESERVED AND RESPECTED IN PENTECOST BUT THE ESSENCE IS COMMUNION WITH GOD NOT REBELLION ANYMORE. THE SSPX IS ACCIDENTALLY UNITED BUT ESSENTIALLY IN REBELLION.

THE CHURCH HAS ONE VOICE BUT NOT ONE LANGUAGE. THE CHURCH IS ALWAYS MULTI-LANGUAGE. EVEN IN QUO PRIMUM THERE ARE EXEMPTIONS AND THERE WERE ALWAYS MASSES IN GREEK, COPTIC, SLAVONIC, LATIN, ETC. IN THE CHURCH PRIOR TO VATICAN II. ONLY LIARS CLAIM OTHERWISE. THE SSPX ARE LIARS IN CLAIMING THAT ONLY LATIN WAS THE LANGUAGE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH PRIOR TO VATICAN II.

THIS IS THE MEANING BY THE CHURCH HAVING ONE VOICE ACCORDING TO ST. PAUL, AGAIN FROM DOUAY-RHEIMS:

Eph 4:3 Careful to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

SEE, THE MOST IMPORTANT THERE IS UNITY. THE SSPX VIOLATED THAT UNITY BY BEING OUTSIDE THE COMMUNION WITH THE CHURCH OF ROME.

Eph 4:4 One body and one Spirit: as you are called in one hope of your calling.

THE SSPX IS OUTSIDE THAT ONE BODY AND THEREFORE NOT GOVERNED BY THE SAME SPIRIT OF GOD WHO RESPECTED ALL LANGUAGE. THE APOSTLES WERE HEARD SPEAKING NATIVE LANGUAGES BY THE PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT PLACES. ONLY IDIOTS WILL CLAIM THAT THE APOSTLES WERE HEARD SPEAKING ONE LANGUAGE WHICH WAS LATIN.

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism.
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in us all.

THERE IS NOTHING WRITTEN THERE "ONE LANGUAGE WHICH IS LATIN"... EXCUSE ME.

Eph 4:7 But to every one of us is given grace, according to the measure of the giving of Christ.

EACH ONE IS GIVEN GRACE AS GIVEN BY CHRIST AND ONE OF THOSE GRACES IS THE GIFT OF LANGUAGE WHICH WAS SANCTIFIED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. THE CHURCH PURIFIED LATIN AND SO SHE WILL ALSO PURIFY THE MODERN LANGUAGES. 

THAT ONE FAITH IS WRITTEN IN GREEK RIGHT THERE AT THE ORIGINAL NEW TESTAMENT AND THE GREEK BIBLE DECLARES BY A ROMAN APOSTLE THAT THE LORD JESUS SHALL BE PRAISED BY EVERY TONGUE:

Phil 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that the Lord Jesus Christ is in the glory of God the Father.

THAT 'EVERY TONGUE' SIGNIFIES ALSO EVERY LANGUAGE. GOD SHALL BE WORSHIPPED IN EACH AND EVERY TONGUE... IN EVERY LANGUAGE. EVEN THE BIBLICAL CONCEPT OF HEAVEN SPEAKS OF THAT RESPECT GIVEN TO EVERY TONGUE:

Rev 7:9 After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no man could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,

Rev 14:6 Then I saw another angel flying in midheaven, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and tongue and people;

SEE, THE DISTINCTION OF NATIONALITY, TRIBAL CHARACTERS AND OF LANGUAGE IS STILL EVIDENT EVEN IN HEAVEN. THAT IS THE REASON WHY THE PAULINE MASS IS A MANIFESTATION OF HEAVEN ON EARTH. IT IS SO BIBLICAL AND SO BEAUTIFUL. UNLIKE THE TLM WHICH IS ONE NATION, ONE TRIBE, ONE CULTURE ONLY.

[Not only does the Church have to waste time, money, and effort on translations - which have proven to be faulty - her doctrine has suffered from lack of safeguards.]

IT IS GREATER WASTE OF TIME IF THE CHURCH WILL ONLY USE LATIN WHICH IS UNDERSTOOD ALMOST 99.999999 PERCENT BY THE CLERGY ALONE AND FEW SCHOLARS. IF THEY PRINT THE MISSALS AND MANUALS THEY HAVE PUT THE LATIN SIDE BY SIDE WITH THE TRANSLATIONS SO DOUBLE EXPENSES. IF THEY ARE IN LOCAL LANGUAGES THERE IS NO NEED FOR TRANSLATIONS.

AND IF THE NEW DOCUMENTS ARE WRITTEN IN MODERN LANGUAGES THEN THE TEXT IS ORIGINAL AND NOT A MERE TRANSLATION. THE GOD WHO PROTECTED THE CHURCH FROM THE VULGARITY OF LATIN WHICH WAS A PAGAN LANGUAGE SHALL BE THE SAME GOD THAT WILL PURIFY THE MODERN LANGUAGES FOR THE SAME CHURCH.

["As referring to the use of the vernacular in liturgical prayers - false, rash, disturbing the prescribed order of the celebration of the mysteries, and easily productive of many evils." (Pope Pius VI, "Auctorem Fidei", 1794 A.D.)]

THE POWER THAT BINDS IS THE SAME POWER THAT CAN LOOSES. IF THE POPE PROHIBITS SO BE IT BUT IF HE APPROVES THEN IT IS ALLOWED. THERE IS NO DOGMA THAT LATIN IS THE PERPETUAL LANGUAGE OF THE CHURCH. THE POPE IS FREE TO RETAIN IT OR REPLACE IT AFTERWARD. THE SSPX STUPIDLY MADE LATIN A DOGMA EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT. THEY CLAIMED THAT THE VATICAN II IS NOT A DOGMATIC COUNCIL BUT PASTORAL. HOW ABOUT THE USE OF LATIN IS THAT A DOGMA? NO. IT IS ALSO FOR PASTORAL USE. 

[Communion in the Hand - This practice has also led to profanation, sacrilege, and the blurring of the distinction between priest and laity and was also "introduced illegally and as a rebellion against authority"]

IT IS THE SSPX WHICH IS REBELLIOUS TO AUTHORITY AND NOT THOSE WHO IMPLEMENT THE INDULT GIVEN BY THE HOLY SEE. THERE IS NO PROFANATION AND SACRILEGE IN COMMUNION BY THE HAND BECAUSE THAT HAND BELONGS TO A WORSHIPPER, BAPTIZED CATHOLIC FAITHFUL.

IF THE HAND OF THE BAPTIZED CATHOLIC IS UNWORTHY TO RECEIVE THE LORD THEN NEITHER HIS HAND NOR HIS TONGUE OR LIPS OR MOUTH IS WORTHY TO RECEIVE HIM. THE UNWORTHINESS OR WORTHINESS OF A FAITHFUL IS NOT LIMITED TO THE MOUTH OR TONGUE OR LIPS ONLY BUT TO THE ENTIRE BODY AND SOUL OF THAT PERSON.

[Reduced Eucharistic Fast]

IT IS NOT REDUCED BUT ONLY IMPOSED LESS WITH REGULATIONS. YOU CAN FAST TODAY IN AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. FASTING IS ENCOURAGE AND TAUGHT BUT LESS REGULATED. IT IS THE REGULATIONS THAT WAS LESSENED BUT NOT THE FASTING ITSELF.

[Elimination of the Altar Rail - With the removal of the altar rail, not only are communicants encouraged to stand rather than kneel for Holy Communion, but its removal serves to blur the distinction between the sanctuary and the nave and between the priest and the faithful.]

THE COMMUNION RAIL IS NOT ESSENTIAL TO THE MASS. THE POPE WAS VERY KIND AND WISE TO REMOVE IT. ALL FAITHFUL CATHOLICS ARE KNEELING IN THE AGNUS DEI, THAT KNEELING IS ALREADY THE KNEELING FOR THE WORSHIP OF THE EUCHARIST SO THAT WHEN THEY STAND TO RECEIVE THE LORD IT WAS NOT DONE AVOIDING KNEELING BUT RATHER IT WAS AN ACT OF MEETING THE LORD AFTER KNEELING IN FRONT OF HIM.

["Impoverished" Liturgical Vestments]

IDIOT. IT IS NOT IMPOVERISHED BUT SIMPLIFED. SIMPLICITY IS BETTER THAN EXTRAVAGANCE AND POMPOSITY OF SSPX LITURGY.

[Possible Elimination of Relics in Altars - Prior to the Second Vatican Council, altars were required to contain relics. This may be traced back to the earliest days of Christianity when Christians (that is, Catholics), celebrated Masses on the tombs of saints. It also corresponds to Scripture, where we see the martyrs under the altar (See Rv. 6:9). After Vatican II, this practice may be optional.]

THE GREATEST SACRAMENT OF ALL IS THE BODY AND BLOOD OF JESUS PRESENT ON THE ALTAR OF SACRIFICE. RELIC OR NO RELIC THE ALTAR TABLE IS A RELIC ON ITS OWN BECAUSE IT IS TOUCHED BY THE BODY AND BLOOD OF THE LORD DAILY THROUGH THE HOLY SACRIFICE OF THE MASS.

[Reduction in Altar Cloths]

WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT THE ALTAR CLOTHS MUST NOT BE REDUCED. IF THEY ARE REDUCED SO MUCH THE BETTER. THE ALTARS MUST NOT APPEAR AS IF AN OPERA HOUSE COVERED WITH CURTAINS. THE CLOTHS OF SSPX LITURGY IS SIMILAR TO THE SKIRTS OF MARIE ANTOINETTE. 

[Replacement of Sacred Chant By Secular Music - This change has also been accompanied by a changed in musical instruments (e.g. went from a pipe organ to guitars and drums)]

HA HA HA... IDIOT. THE SONGS SUNG IN THE MASS ARE NOT SECULAR MUSIC BUT RELIGIOUS MUSIC. THEY ARE MODERN SACRED SONGS. WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO TOLD YOU THAT ONLY GREGORIAN CHANTS ARE SACRED MUSIC?

GUITARS AND DRUMS ARE USED IN THE SINGING OF THE PSALMS IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD. STRING INSTRUMENTS ARE ALSO ACCEPTABLE TO GOD BUT REJECTED BY THE SSPX BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT OF GOD.

[Elimination of Side Altars - "The proposition of the synod enunciating that it is fitting, in accordance with the order of divine services and ancient custom that there be only one altar in each temple, and therefore, that it is pleased to restore that custom, [is condemned as] rash, injurious to the very ancient pious custom flourishing and approved for these many centuries in the Church, especially in the Latin Church." (Errors of the Synod of Pistoia, Condemned in the Constitution "Auctorem fidei," Aug. 28, 1794 A.D.)]

HA HA HA... IT IS THE SSPX THAT IS BEING CONDEMNED BY AUCTOREM FIDEI BECAUSE THE SSPX DEMONICALLY REJECTS THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH TO IMPOSE RULES AND DECREES ESPECIALLY THOSE GIVEN BY THE VATICAN II ECUMENICAL COUNCIL:

"5. In that part in which the proposition insinuates that the Church "does not have authority to demand obedience to its decrees otherwise than by means which depend on persuasion; in so far as it intends that the Church has not conferred on it by God the power, not only of directing by counsel and persuasion, but also of ordering by laws, and of constraining and forcing the inconstant and stubborn by exterior judgment and salutary punishments" leading toward a system condemned elsewhere as heretical." [AUCTORUM FIDEI]

THE SUBVERSION AND SCHISMATIC TENDENCIES OF SSPX ARE ALSO CONDEMNED BY THE SAME DOCUMENT:

"7. Likewise, in this, that it encourages a bishop "to pursue zealously a more perfect constitution of ecclesiastical discipline," and this "against all contrary customs, exemptions, reservations which are opposed to the good order of the diocese, for the greater glory of God and for the greater edification of the faithful"; in that it supposes that a bishop has the right by his own judgment and will to decree and decide contrary to customs, exemptions, reservations, whether they prevail in the universal Church or even in each province, without the consent or the intervention of a higher hierarchic power, by which these customs, etc., have been introduced or approved and have the force of law,—leading to schism and subversion of hierarchic rule, erroneous."

THIS IS WHAT LEFEBVRE, FELLAY, WILLIAMSON, TISSIER DE MALLERAIS AND THEIR COHORTS ARE DOING. HERE IS ANOTHER WHICH DIRECTLY REFUTES THE CLAIM OF THE SSPX:

"8. Likewise, in that it says it is convinced that "the rights of a bishop received from Jesus Christ for the government of the Church cannot be altered nor hindered, and, when it has happened that the exercise of these rights has been interrupted for any reason whatsoever, a bishop can always and should return to his original rights, as often as the greater good of his church demands it"; in the fact that it intimates that the exercise of episcopal rights can be hindered and coerced by no higher power, whenever a bishop shall judge that it does not further the greater good of his church,—leading to schism, and to subversion of hierarchic government, erroneous."

IF THESE SSPX ANIMALS ARE THINKING THAT THE DOCUMENT AUCTORUM FIDEI SHALL HELP THEM THEN THEY ARE IN FOR SURPRISES. YOUR LUCIFERIAN REBELLION AGAINST THE POPE SHALL HUNT YOU SSPX.

CONCERNING YOUR CLAIM THAT WE REMOVED THE SIDE ALTARS. WELL, SORRY FOR YOU. WE DIDN'T REMOVE THEM THE SIDE ALTARS ARE STILL THERE AT THE SIDE. IN FACT, IN OUR NEWLY RENOVATED CATHEDRAL OF STS. PETER AND PAUL IN SORSOGON CITY THE DAILY MASSES ARE DONE AT THE SIDE CHAPEL. HA HA HA... FOOLS.

[Many Dropped Feast Days - Many feast days were dropped from the universal calendar (or given a lesser status). Note that many of these feasts trace back hundreds of years or more and include especially popular, beloved saints.]

O NO THEY ARE NOT DROPPED. THEY ARE STILL THERE. WHO AMONG THOSE SAINTS ARE DROPPED? ALL THE SAINTS FROM MAMA MARY UP TO THE PRESENT SAINTS ARE NOT DROPPED THEY ARE ALL CELEBRATED ACCORDING TO THEIR FEASTDAYS. YOU ARE HALLUCINATING.

[Drastic Changes in Prayers for Remaining Feasts - For example, one priest has pointed out that "All Souls' Day is [now] No Souls' Day, even in the original Latin, where the word for soul (anima) has been suppressed in the prayers of November 2."]

HA HA HA VERY STUPID. SO, YOU ARE HURT BY THE LACK OF THE WORD SOULS. BUT IF YOU ARE NOT STUPID YOU FIND IN ALREADY IN THE VERY TITLE: "ALL SOULS DAY" IN LARGE ANG BOLD LETTERS. AND INSTEAD OF USING THE WORD SOULS IN THE PRAYER IT USES "OUR DEPARTED BROTHERS AND SISTERS". SO INSTEAD OF REFERRING TO SOULS IT REFERS TO THE PERSON OF THE DEPARTED BOTH BODY AND SOUL. HA HA HA... THE SENILITY OF LEFEBVRE IS CONTAGIOUS.

[Candles in Church - Reduced or eliminated. Some may now be artificial.]

CANDLES ARE VERY MUCH PRESENT IN EVERY MASS AND IN TLM ONLY TWO CANDLES ARE USED DURING THE LOW MASS BUT IN NOVUS ORDO MOST OF THE ALTARS ARE ADORNED WITH MINIMUM 4 CANDLES EVEN IN DAILY MASSES. THE PAULINE MASS USES MORE CANDLES THAN THE TLM MOST OF THE TIME. 

[Crucifix in Church - May be reduced in size, distorted, may not contain a suffering Jesus, etc. Some may be simply plain crosses
Elevation of Man / Apparent Forgetfulness of God (Man-Centered vs. God-Centered) - There seems to be a turning away of man's eyes from God to man. Further, given the changes since the Council (relaxation of penance, discipline, etc.) one might even ask, "Has the council done nothing but seek to please men?"]

YOU ARE HALLUCINATING. ALMOST ALL OF THE CHURCHES THAT I HAVE VISITED AND HAVE CELEBRATED MASS IN ARE HAVING LARGE CRUCIFIX IN THE ALTAR RIGHT AT THE CENTER AND ON THE TOP. MAY BE THE SSPX HAVE ENTERED THE LUTHERAN CHURCH. HA HA HA... 

WHAT TURNING AWAY FROM GOD ARE  YOU TALKING ABOUT? IF THE PAULINE MASS IS WRONG FOR YOU BECAUSE OF AD VERSUM POPULUM THEN YOUR AD ORIENTEM IS A MANIFESTATION OF SSPX EXTREME FORM OF SELFISHNESS. YOUR PRIESTS DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE FAITHFUL BUT IT IS MERELY CONCERNED WITH HIS JOB WHICH IS MOSTLY SILENT AND TALKING TO ONE'S SELF.

November 29, 2011 10:58 PM