The Lord Jesus before Pilate
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i have a question Fr. is St.Thomas in to the union of church and state or in the separation of church and state?
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Fr. Abe, CRS said...
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[i have a question Fr. is St.Thomas in to the union of church and state or in the separation of church and state?]
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, AND OF COURSE ST. THOMAS AQUINAS WHO IS ARGUABLY THE BEST CATHOLIC THEOLOGIAN AND PHILOSOPHER [WITH ST. AUGUSTINE]AND A DOCTOR OF THE CHURCH, TEACHES THAT THE CHURCH AND STATE BOTH CAME FROM THE SAME SOURCE: GOD. THEREFORE THEY MUST WORK IN COOPERATION AND HARMONY. BUT THE FOCUS OF EACH ONE IS DISTINCT. THE CHURCH IS CONCERN ABOUT THE SALVATION OF SOULS WHILE THE STATE IS DIRECTED TO TAKE GOOD CARE OF THE TEMPORAL NEEDS OF THE SOCIETY.
THUS, THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY SEPARATED BUT BOTH ARE WORKING FOR THE GOOD OF THE HUMAN PERSONS IN VARYING LEVEL. HOWEVER THEY MUST WORK HAND IN HAND AS WELL. ST. THOMAS AQUINAS BEAUTIFULLY SUMMARIZED IT:
"Both powers originate in God. Therefore the secular power is subordinate to the spiritual power in matters that concern the salvation of souls. In matters that concern more the civil common good, a person is obliged to obey the secular rather than the spiritual power." [Summa Theologica, Sent. II, Dist. 44. Q. 2, 5ad 3, 4]
BEFORE HIM THIS WAS TAUGHT BY POPE ST. GELASIUS I DURING THE 5TH CENTURY AND WAS FOLLOWED BY THE CHURCH SINCE THEN.
THE CHURCH DOES NOT ADVOCATE A THEOCRACY WHERE IN BOTH THE POWERS OF THE CHURCH AND STATE ARE VESTED IN ONE PERSON. NOT EVEN THE LORD JESUS DID THAT DURING HIS STAY ON EARTH. HE REFUSED TO BE A POLITICAL AND MILITARY MESSIAH. GOD SHALL BE ALL IN ALL IN HEAVEN WHEN THE EARTH SHALL PASS AWAY AND BE REPLACED BY A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH. BUT THE APOSTLES REQUESTED THE CHRISTIANS TO RESPECT THE AUTHORITIES:
Rom 13:1 Obey the rulers who have authority over you. Only God can give authority to anyone, and he puts these rulers in their places of power.
ON MATTERS OF FAITH AND MORALS THE STATE MUST RESPECT THE RIGHT AND AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH. IT MUST NOT ENACT LAWS THAT WILL SUPPRESS THE CHURCH IN HER PROCLAMATION OF THE GOSPELS AND IN HER WORKS OF CHARITIES AND IN HER MORAL TEACHINGS. BUT FOR THE GOOD OF THE MORAL ORDER THE CHURCH MUST ALSO RESPECT THE TEMPORAL AUTHORITIES. THAT IS WHY THE CHRISTIAN MARTYRS PROUDLY DECLARES THAT THEY ARE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS OF THE EMPIRE OR OF THE KING BUT THEIR REFUSAL IS ON SPIRITUAL AND DOCTRINAL MATTER: THEY CANNOT RENOUNCE THE KINGSHIP OF CHRIST - THE LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS.
ST. THOMAS MORE STATED IT BEAUTIFULLY: "I AM THE KING'S MOST LOYAL SERVANT [Bestfriend and Chancellor] BUT GOD FIRST." HE DISOBEYED KING HENRY VIII ON MATTER OF DIVORCE AND PREFERRED TO DIE RATHER THAN RENOUNCE HIS CATHOLIC FAITH. HE WAS BEHEADED.
DON'T BELIEVE THE LIES OF THE SSPX THAT ST. THOMAS AND THE CHURCH PRIOR TO VATICAN II FAVORS UNION OF CHURCH AND STATE. BEAR IN MIND THAT EVEN BEFORE VATICAN II THE CHURCH IS RULED BY THE POPE WHILE THE NATION WAS RULED BY THE TEMPORAL RULERS. THE CHURCH RESPECTS THE RULERS IF THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIAN AND THE CHURCH COOPERATES ALL THE MORE WITH THE CHRISTIAN MAGISTRATES BUT BOTH MAINTAINED THEIR INDEPENDENCE FROM EACH OTHER.
IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, ABRAHAM LEADS THE TRIBE BUT MELCHIZEDEK TAKES CARE OF THE PRIESTLY SACRIFICE. THEN, IN THE POST EXILIC ISRAEL MOSES LEADS AS THE SHEPHERD OF THE PEOPLE BUT AARON SERVES AS HIGH PRIEST WHICH WAS FOLLOWED THROUGHOUT. IN NEW TESTAMENT JESUS IS BOTH KING AND HIGH PRIEST, BUT HIS KINGSHIP IS NOT TEMPORAL BUT SPIRITUAL AND MORAL. HE DIDN'T OVERTHROW THE POLITICAL POWER OF HEROD AND OF THE ROMAN EMPEROR EVEN IF HE COULD.
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Father, O have a question po. Natanong ko na po dati dito kung "what if makadiscover ang tao ng mga 'aliens' in the outer space, will this destroy the authenticity of the bible?"
ReplyDeleteNasagot niyo po ito ng maayos pero i just want to clear more issues regarding this topic. Siguro po ay aware kayo that NASA had confirmed for the first time, that the planet kepler-22b is habitable and possible to have creatures that are not found in earth. Ang tanong ko po ay, if they were right, nasa bible po ba ito? kasi po, as far as i can remember, wala pa po akong nbbsa sa bibliya about life outside the earth, or about creatures (perhaps human-like creature) in the other world or planets.
Hindi po ba isa itong napakahalagang information that should be found in the bible? Wala po akong naalalang part sa bible that talks about the existence of "other humans". It seems like the discovery of other life in the outer space is very contrary to what the bible tells us about our universe.
[Father, O have a question po. Natanong ko na po dati dito kung "what if makadiscover ang tao ng mga 'aliens' in the outer space, will this destroy the authenticity of the bible?"]
ReplyDeleteDEFINITELY, THE DISCOVERY OF NEW HUMAN SPECIES OR OTHER LIVING BEINGS SHALL NOT DESTROY THE AUTHENTICITY OF THE BIBLE. WHY? BECAUSE EVERY YEAR SOMETHING NEW IS BEING DISCOVERED IN THE WORLD SUCH AS NEW SPECIES OF PLANTS, BIRDS, ANIMALS, INSECTS, VIRUS, ETC. YET THE AUTHENTICITY OF THE BIBLE WAS NOT DESTROYED RATHER ITS AUTHENTICITY IS ALL THE MORE UPHELD. BECAUSE IT MANIFESTS THE POWER AND WISDOM AND THE GLORY OF GOD THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE.
[Nasagot niyo po ito ng maayos pero i just want to clear more issues regarding this topic.]
OK CHESTER.
[Siguro po ay aware kayo that NASA had confirmed for the first time, that the planet kepler-22b is habitable and possible to have creatures that are not found in earth.]
YES, I AM AWARE OF THAT NEWS.
[Ang tanong ko po ay, if they were right, nasa bible po ba ito?]
OF COURSE IT IS IN THE BIBLE. BUT THE BIBLE GIVES THE GENERAL DESCRIPTION SUCH AS THE LORD IS THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS WHETHER VISIBLE OR INVISILBE... THE SON OF GOD IS THE ORIGIN OF THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE:
Acts 14:15, "....We proclaim to you good news that you should turn from these idols to the living God, 'who made heaven and earth and sea and all that is in them.'"
Colossians 1:15-16, "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For in him were created all things in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible...."
SO, THE LORD WHO MADE THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH IS ALSO THE LORD OF THE OTHER PLANETS AND ALL THAT THEY CONTAINED:
Psalm 8:1 & 2 "O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens... When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained"
AS NASA DISCOVERED AND STUDIED MORE THE MOON AND THE STARS THIS TRUTH OF FAITH HAS BECOME MORE MANIFESTED. THE UNIVERSE IS SET IN ORDER AND EVEN WITHOUT TELESCOPE LIKE THE GREAT HUBBLE TELESCOPE THE BIBLE SPEAKS OF THE GLORY OF GOD SHINING THROUGH THE STARS. THUS, THE PRESENCE OF LIFE SIMILAR TO EARTH IN OTHER GALAXIES WILL ONLY ADD GLORY TO THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS WHO IS GOD.
[kasi po, as far as i can remember, wala pa po akong nbbsa sa bibliya about life outside the earth, or about creatures (perhaps human-like creature) in the other world or planets.]
ReplyDeleteHA HA HA... THE BIBLE IS PRIMARILY THE BOOK OF FAITH FOR OUR SALVATION. IT IS NOT THE TEXTBOOK FOR BIOLOGY WHERE YOU CAN FIND THE NAMES OF ALGAE, MICROBES, HERBS, ETC. IF YOU WANT THOSE THINGS THEN READ THE ENCYCLEDIA AND OTHER SCIENCE REFERENCES.
THE BIBLE SPEAKS OF THE TRUTH OF FAITH THAT ALL LIFE COMES FROM GOD AND HIS SON JESUS:
Ps 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Isa 40:26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.
Ps 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Jn 1:3-4 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT ALL THE PLANETS NOT JUST THE EARTH BUT ALL CELESTIAL BODIES ARE FROM GOD AND ARE CREATED BY GOD. SO ANY NEW DISCOVERIES EITHER HERE ON EARTH OR IN THE OUTER SPACE DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING.
MUCH MORE, THE BIBLE IS NOT AGAINST THE IDEA THAT THERE ARE LIFE OUTSIDE THE EARTH. BECAUSE THE BIBLE DEMANDS WORSHIP OF GOD NOT ONLY FROM EARTHLLINGS BUT ALSO FROM CREATURES OUTSIDE THE EARTH:
ReplyDeletePsa 148:1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights.
Psa 148:2 Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.
Psa 148:3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.
Psa 148:4 Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
Psa 148:5 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.
Psa 148:6 He hath also stablished them for ever and ever: he hath made a decree which shall not pass.
Psa 148:7 Praise the LORD from the earth, ye dragons, and all deeps:
Psa 148:8 Fire, and hail; snow, and vapour; stormy wind fulfilling his word:
Psa 148:9 Mountains, and all hills; fruitful trees, and all cedars:
Psa 148:10 Beasts, and all cattle; creeping things, and flying fowl:
Psa 148:11 Kings of the earth, and all people; princes, and all judges of the earth:
Psa 148:12 Both young men, and maidens; old men, and children:
Psa 148:13 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for his name alone is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven.
Psa 148:14 He also exalteth the horn of his people, the praise of all his saints; even of the children of Israel, a people near unto him. Praise ye the LORD.
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
[Hindi po ba isa itong napakahalagang information that should be found in the bible?]
NO. AS I'VE STATED THE BIBLE IS NOT INTENDED TO LIST ALL THE LIVING SPECIES IN THE UNIVERSE OR EVEN ALL THE NAMES OF TOWNS AND CITIES AND COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD. YOU CANNOT FIND IN THE BIBLE THE LIST OF THE NAMES OF CARS OR CELLPHONES OR THE COLORS OF UNDERWEAR MADE IN NEW YORK. YOU CANNOT EVEN FIND IN THE BIBLE THE SPECIFIC LIST OF ALL THE LANGUAGES OF THE WORLD OR OF ALL THE TRIBES AND RACES OF MEN. ACTUALLY, IT IS ILLOGICAL AND UNREASONABLE OF YOU OR US TO DEMAND THESE THINGS FROM THE BIBLE.
THE BIBLE SAYS THAT GOD CREATED THE MOON AND THE STARS. SO, IF YOU FIND LIFE IN MARS FOR INSTANCE THAT SOON TO BE DISCOVERED LIFE-FORM IF EVER IS STILL A CREATURE OF GOD.
[Wala po akong naalalang part sa bible that talks about the existence of "other humans".]
THE BIBLE SPEAKS OF ALL THINGS CREATED BY GOD. SO IF YOU WILL DISCOVER A NEW KIND OF VIRUS UNDER THE BELLY OF THE MONKEY LIKE THE DICOVERY OF HIV VIRUS OR SARS VIRUS THEY ARE NOT CONTRADICTORY TO THE BIBLE BUT SUPPORTIVE OF THE BIBLE.
[It seems like the discovery of other life in the outer space is very contrary to what the bible tells us about our universe.]
O NO, NO, NO... PLEASE SHARPEN YOUR LOGIC AND YOUR REASONING. IF THE BIBLE STATES THAT "THERE IS NO OTHER LIFE OUTSIDE EARTH" THEN THERE WILL BE CONTRADICTORY. INSTEAD, THE BIBLE SPEAKS OF LIFE ON EARTH AND INVISIBLE CREATURES AND HEAVENLY HOSTS. HEAVENLY HOSTS REFERS TO THE ANGELS AND DEMONS OR IT REFERS TO THE CREATURES IN THE OUTER SPACE. IN ANY CASE, THE POSSIBLE EXISTENCE OF LIFE OUTSIDE THE EARTH IS NOT CONTRADICTORY TO THE BIBLE.
Hello po Father....
ReplyDeleteAno naman ang masabi mi diti...
http://catholicnewslive.com/story/16043
SIMPLE. SIGURO AY MABABAIT ANG MGA SSPX NA IYON AT HINDI MGA HAYUP AT TRAIDOR NA TULAD NG MGA SSPX DITO SA PILINAS NA LAGING TUMUTULIGSA. KAYA MAGANDA ANG RELATION DUON. KUNG SILA AY HINDI TUMUTULIGSA SA SANTO PAPA AT MGA OBISPO E DI MAMAHALIN DIN SILA NG LAHAT. ATAKE SILA NG ATAKE DITO KAYA BINABATAN SILA NG MGA CATHOLIC DEFENDERS.
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