The Baptism of Jesus in the Jordan

Mr. Gregor Alfonsin C. Pondoyo,
Bago mo po ipagtanggol ang mahal mong IGLESIA KATOLIKA APOSTOLIKA ROMANA, bigyan mo muna ng solusyon ang tanong na DAPAT MONG ITANONG SA SARILI MO, wasto ba ang paraan ng pagkakabinyag sa iyo?
Ano ba ang dapat at tamang paraan ng pagbabautismo?
Una, Dapat munang maniwala at tanggapin ang aral ng Diyos bago bautismuhan.
"Ang sumasampalataya at mabautismuhan ay maliligtas" [Mar. 16:16]
Sumampalataya ka ba muna bago ka binyagan noong ikaw ay sanggol pa?
Pangalawa, ang tamang paraan ng bautismo ay paglubog sa tubig.
"Si Juan ay nagbabautismo rin naman sa Enon, malapit sa Salim, sapagkat maraming tubig doon, Pumupunta sa kanya ang mga tao at nagpapabautismo." (Juan 3:23, MB)
"At ipinagutos niya itigil ang karo: at sila;y kapuwa lumusong sa tubig, si Felipe at ang bating; at kaniyang binautismuhan siya." (Gawa 8:38)
Sa ganitong paraan lang totoong malilibing ang iyong kasalanan upang ikaw ay maging taong bago.
"Samakatuwid, tayo'y namatay at nalibing na kasama niya sa pamamagitan ng bautismo upang kung paanong binuhay na muli si Cristo sa pamamagitan ng dakilang kapangyarihan ng Ama, tayo nama'y mabuhay sa isang bagong pamumuhay." (Roma 6:4,MB)
Ito rin ang pinatutunayan ng mga aklat katoliko:
"Ang pangbinyag ni San Juan ay isisisid na minsan ang boong-boong catauan doon sa ilog nang Jordan parang pinaliliguan." (Passion Candaba,p.65)
Ngunit naisip ng iyong IGLESIA KATOLIKA APOSTOLIKA ROMANA na mas konbinyente kung wisik wisik na lang:
"Sa loob ng ilang siglo pagkatapos ng pagkakatatag ng Kristianismo ang Bautismo ay karaniwang iginagawa sa pamamagitan ng lubog; nguni't mula ng ikalabingdalawang siglo ang kaugaliang pagbibinyag sa pamamagitan ng buhos ay namayani sa loob ng IGLESIA KATOLIKA, yayamang ang paraang ito ay walang gasinong sagabal na di gaya ng Bautismo sa pamamagitan ng lubog." (Ang Pananampalataya ng ating mga Ninuno, p.274)
Tanong mo muna sa sarili mo, bakit iniba ng IGLESIA KATOLIKA APOSTOLIKA ROMANA ang kautusan sa Bibliya?
Una'y ang pagbautismo sa mga sanggol na wala pang kakayanan na magsisi sa kasalanan, at sumampalataya sa Kautusan.
Ikalawa'y bakit sinalangsang ang kautusang paglubog sa tubig na simbolo ng paglibing sa mga kasalanan, at pinalitan ng wisik wisik lang o buhos?
Payo ko ay wag makinig sa mga PARI, na gagawin ang lahat mapangatwiranan laman ang kanilang buktot na mga pamamaraan.
Bagkos ay tanungin mo ang iyong sarili, magpakatotoo ka, alamin mo ang katotohanan, magagawa mo lang ito kung bubuksan mo ang iyong mata, puso at isip.
Pag nakuha mo na ang sagot SA SARILI MO, saka ka bumalik sa akin.

Anonymous Feb 2, 2012 10:02 PM
Teewee Diego
SULAT NG ISANG IGLESIA NI MANALO
Bago mo po ipagtanggol ang mahal mong IGLESIA KATOLIKA APOSTOLIKA ROMANA, bigyan mo
muna ng solusyon ang tanong na DAPAT MONG ITANONG SA SARILI MO, wasto ba ang paraan
ng pagkakabinyag sa iyo?
Ano ba ang dapat at tamang paraan ng pagbabautismo?
SAGOT NI TEEWEE
BAGO KITA SAGUTIN - SABIHIN MO MUNA SA AKIN KUNG SI MANALO AY NABINYAGAN SA SAMAHAN NA ITINAYO NIYA - ??? LUMA NA YANG DAHILAN NINYO IKUKUMPARA SIYA KAY JOHN TH BAPTIST - WALANG SUSTANSIYA YAN - WALA AKONG NABABASA SA PANGALANG FELIKS MANALO SA BIBLIA - O ANG INA NI FELIKS MANALO - NAPUNTAHAN NG ESPIRITU SANTO MULA KAY JESUS NG TULAD NA NANGYARI KAY ELIZABETH - LUKE 1:39 TO 44 , JOHN 1:33 JOHN THE BAPTIST TESTIFYS THAT IT IS JESUS WHO BAPTIZES WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT
NGAYON SA TAMANG PARAAN NG PAGBAUTISMO ? HINDI MO NA DAPAT TINANONG - ALAM MO PALA
DAPAT INILAGAY MO - DAHIL WALA KA DIN MAILALAGAY NA KAUTUSAN SA TAMANG PARAAN NG PAG BABAUTISMO - ANO NGA BA - MAY MAIPAPAKITA KA BANG TALATA AT INUTOS SA TAMANG PARAAN NG PAGBABAUTISMO NA ITO AY KAILANGAN ILUBOG, BUHUSAN O WISISKAN NG TUBIG - O DAPAT GAWIN
ITO SA SWIMMING POOL O SA RIVER JORDAN LAMANG - EH MUKANG LAHAT YATA TAYO DAPAT SA RIVER JORDAN MAG PABINYAG KUNG ITO ANG PAGBABATAYAN SA BIBLIA.
SI PABLO NABINYAGAN NA NAKATAYO NI ANANIAS - MAY SINABI BANG NAKALUBOG?
PAUL IN DAMASCUS SYRIA
ACTS 9:17 Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul,
he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were
coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy
Spirit.” 18 Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could
see again. He got up and was BAPTIZED , 19 and after taking some food, he regained
his strength.
MAY SINASABI BA NA MAY SWIMMING POOL ANG BAHAY NI ANANIAS DIAN O ROMAN BATH ALAM MO BA KUNG ANO ANG ROMAN BATH? - ANO KAYA ANG GINAWA KAY PAUL - WINISIKAN O BINUHUSAN??
SULAT NG ISANG MANALISTA
Una, Dapat munang maniwala at tanggapin ang aral ng Diyos bago bautismuhan.
"Ang sumasampalataya at mabautismuhan ay maliligtas" [Mar. 16:16]
Sumampalataya ka ba muna bago ka binyagan noong ikaw ay sanggol pa
SAGOT NI TEEWEE ISANG KATOLIKO
MARK 16:16 Mark 16:15-16 (King James Version)
15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned
"preach the gospel to every creature." TO EVERY CREATURE AT WALANG SINASABI DIAN HINDI KASALI ANG MGA SANGGOL AT MGA BATA -OR EXCLUDE THE INFANTS AND THE CHILDREN
JESUS SAID :
MATTHEW 19:14
But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come to me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
ACT 2:38-39
38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 "THE PROMISE IS FOR YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN" and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
ACTS 16:33 THE JAILER- HE AND HIS HOUSEHOLD WHERE BAPTIZED AT ONCE
ACTS 16:15 SI LYDIA ISANG GOD FEARING WOMAN SIYA AT ANG BUONG PAMILYA NIYA NABAUTISMUHAN
1 COR 1:16 - ANG BUONG STEPHANIAS FAMILY NABINYAGAN
JEREMIAH 6:11-12 ANO ANG ISANG PAMILYA- HUSBAND AND WIFE CHILDREN AND ELDERS
BALIKAN NATIN ANG MARK 16:16
"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned"
JESUS BELIEVED OF COURSE -OBVIOUS BA- WHY WAS HE BAPTIZED ?
JESUS DOES NOT NEED TO REPENT- OBVIOUS DIN BA? THEN WHY WAS HE BAPTIZED AND HE SAID FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS SAKE
A CHILD DOES NOT NEED TO REPENT- A CHILD HAS NO SIN OUT OF HIS OWN DOING AND A CHILD DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO BELIEVE AND UNBELIEVE
HOW THEN CAN A CHILD BELIEVETH AND BELIEVETH NOT- WHY WILL A CHILD BE DAMNED IF THE CHILD BELIEVTH NOT? SO ALL CHILDREN ARE DAMNED BECAUSE THEY CAN NOT BELIEVETH NOT
GANUN BA PARE KO -
SO WHAT IS TO STOP YOU BEING THE PARENT AND RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR CHILDREN -
BAPTISM IS GOOD FOR YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN SABI NI PETER ACTS 2:39
NGAYON KELAN ANG BATA PUPUNTA SA AGE OF REASON ? SINO ANG MAGSASABI NITO -
IKAW BILANG AMA-? PAANO MO NALAMAN MAY UNAWA NA SIYA - AT KELAN NABUKSAN ANG ISIP NIYA PARA MAKAUNAWA - ALAM MO BA ITO??
PAANO NGAYON KUNG MAY UNAWA NA ITO AT GUMAGAWA NA ITO NG KASALANAN NA HINDI MO ALAM - AT BAGO ITO NABINYAGAN NAMATAY ITO ISANG LINGGO BAGO SIYA MABINYAGAN
PATAY KA NGAYON ANG ANAK MO MAIIMPYERNO AT KASALANAN MO PA - NAMATAY NG PAGANO DAHIL HINDI NABINYAGAN - HINDI SIYA MAKAKAPASOK SA KAHARIAN NG DIOS NG DAHIL SA IYO
KAYA IBIGAY MO ANG TAMANG IDAD PARA ANG BATA AY MAY KAKAYAHAN NA MAKAUNAWA - AYON SA BIBLIA - HA
PAANO KUNG WALA SA NORMAL NA PAG IISIP ANG TAO AT 50 ANYOS NA ITO - HINDI NA BA ITO MA BIBIYAGAN - ????
MUKANG IKAW YATA ANG BABALIK SA AKIN PARE KO
SULAT NG ISANG MANALISTA
Pangalawa, ang tamang paraan ng bautismo ay paglubog sa tubig.
"Si Juan ay nagbabautismo rin naman sa Enon, malapit sa Salim, sapagkat maraming
tubig doon, Pumupunta sa kanya ang mga tao at nagpapabautismo." (Juan 3:23, MB)
SAGOT NI TEEWEE ISANG KATOLIKO
WALA NAMAN SINABI DIAN NA MAY ILOG SA ENON - BAKA BALON LANG IYON - DAHIL RIVER JORDAN LANG ANG HALOS ILOG NG ISRAEL - NILOBLOB PALA SA BALON - HAR HAR HAR AT ISA PA ANG BAUTISMO SI JOHN AY WALANG ESPIRITU - IT WAS ONLY A BAPTISM OF REPENTANCE OR THE BAPTISM OF WATER WITHOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT - AT UULITIN DIN NG MGA APOSTOL ANG BINYAG NI JOHN THE BAPTIST PAGDATING NG ESPIRITU SANTO - ACT 2
SULAT NG ISANG MANALISTA
"At ipinagutos niya itigil ang karo: at sila;y kapuwa lumusong sa tubig, si Felipe
at ang bating; at kaniyang binautismuhan siya." (Gawa 8:38)
Sa ganitong paraan lang totoong malilibing ang iyong kasalanan upang ikaw ay maging
taong bago.
ACTS 836 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch
said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?” [37]
[b] 38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went
down into the water and Philip baptized him. 39 When they came up out of the water,
the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him
again, but went on his way rejoicing. 40 Philip, however, appeared at Azotus and
traveled about, preaching the gospel in all the towns until he reached Caesarea.
Acts 8:26-27
Philip and the Ethiopian
26 Now an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Go south to the road—the desert
road—that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” 27 So he started out, and on his way
he met an Ethiopian[a] eunuch, an important official in charge of all the treasury
of the Kandake (which means “queen of the Ethiopians”). This man had gone to
Jerusalem to worship,
DESERT ROAD- MAY ILOG BA RIYAN - ? "they came to some water" EH GAZA STRIP YAN BRO WALANG ILOG DIAN - SOME WATER - O GINAWA NI PHILIPP SA EUNUCH - INILUBOG
WINISIKAN O BINUHUSAN - WALA NAMAN SINASABI NA BASA SIYA ANO -
SULAT NG ISANG MANALISTA
"Samakatuwid, tayo'y namatay at nalibing na kasama niya sa pamamagitan ng bautismo
upang kung paanong binuhay na muli si Cristo sa pamamagitan ng dakilang
kapangyarihan ng Ama, tayo nama'y mabuhay sa isang bagong pamumuhay." (Roma 6:4,MB)
Ito rin ang pinatutunayan ng mga aklat katoliko:
"Ang pangbinyag ni San Juan ay isisisid na minsan ang boong-boong catauan doon sa
ilog nang Jordan parang pinaliliguan." (Passion Candaba,p.65)
SAGOT NI TEEWEE ISANG KATOLIKO
KAYA SILA NAPUNTA SA ILOG JORDAN DAHIL YUN LANG ANG MAPUPUNTAHAN NILA PARA SA TUBIG- ALANGAN NAMAN SA BAHAY NI JUAN PAG IIGIBIN MO PA NG TUBIG YUNG TAO UNAGN UNA WALA SIYANG BAHAY - SA ILANG SIYA NAKATIRA SA DESYERTO - SO FOR CONVENIENCE SA ILOG NILA GINAWA
O TIGNAN MO PASSION PA NG CANDABA PA ANG GINAMIT MO - NAGAMIT PALA KAYO NG MGA BABASAHIN NAMIN - EH BAKIT YAN LANG ANG PINILI MO DAHIL SA KATECHISMO NAMIN ANG SINASABI DOON - LUBOG BUHOS O WISIK PWEDE LAHAT YAN - HINDI NAMAN CATECHISMO ANG PASSION NG CANDABA - DEBOTION YAN NG MGA TAGA CENTRAL LUZON WALA KAMI SA BISAYA NIYAN - LOL LOL
SULAT NG ISANG MANALISTA
Ngunit naisip ng iyong IGLESIA KATOLIKA APOSTOLIKA ROMANA na mas konbinyente kung
wisik wisik na lang:
"Sa loob ng ilang siglo pagkatapos ng pagkakatatag ng Kristianismo ang Bautismo ay
karaniwang iginagawa sa pamamagitan ng lubog; nguni't mula ng ikalabingdalawang
siglo ang kaugaliang pagbibinyag sa pamamagitan ng buhos ay namayani sa loob ng
IGLESIA KATOLIKA, yayamang ang paraang ito ay walang gasinong sagabal na di gaya ng
Bautismo sa pamamagitan ng lubog." (Ang Pananampalataya ng ating mga Ninuno, p.274)
SAGOT NI TEEWEE ISANG KATOLIKO
NAKU NAMAN - EXCERPTS LANG ANG KINUHA MO - AT TONETONELADANG BABASAHIN ANG MABABASA MO SA CATHOLIC LITERATURES THAT BAPTISM WAS DONE BY IMMERSION BY POURING AND BY SPRINKLING
DIDACHE = THE TRADITION OF THE APOSTLES - A CERTIFIED 120 AD DOCUMENT DISCOVERD IN ISTANBUL ABOUT THE APOSTLES AND WHAT THEY DID AND HOW THEY DID IT
Baptism
The second part (chapters 7 to 10) begins with an instruction on baptism, which is
to be conferred "in the Name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy
Spirit"[13] in “living water” (that is, natural flowing water), if it can be had —
if not, in cold or even warm water. The baptized and the baptizer, and, if
possible, anyone else attending the ritual should fast for one or two days
beforehand. If the water is insufficient for immersion, it may be poured three
times on the head. A century ago, this point was used by Dr. C. Bigg[20][21][22] to
demonstrate the document's late date, a position no longer current among
scholars.
PALAGAY KO TAMA NA ITO PARE KO NATURUAN NA KITA ISANG TANONG NGA PALA - SAAN NAKASULAT ANG BAUTISMO SI SWIMMING POOL AY DAPAT GAWIN - TANDAAN MO MAY CHLORIRINE ANG TUBIG NG LAHAT NG SWIMMING POOL SAMANTALA ANG TUBIG NG JORDAN MAY KASAMA PANG PUTIG LUPA BUHANGIN NG DESYERTO - YUNG TINATAWAG NG SILT
PALAGAY KO TAMA NA ITO PARE KO NATURUAN NA KITA BUMALIK KA NA LANG SA AKIN KUNG KAILANGAN MO
SULAT NG ISANG MANALISTA
"Samakatuwid, tayo'y namatay at nalibing na kasama niya sa pamamagitan ng bautismo
upang kung paanong binuhay na muli si Cristo sa pamamagitan ng dakilang
kapangyarihan ng Ama, tayo nama'y mabuhay sa isang bagong pamumuhay." (Roma 6:4,MB)
Ito rin ang pinatutunayan ng mga aklat katoliko:
"Ang pangbinyag ni San Juan ay isisisid na minsan ang boong-boong catauan doon sa
ilog nang Jordan parang pinaliliguan." (Passion Candaba,p.65)
SAGOT NI TEEWEE ISANG KATOLIKO
KAYA SILA NAPUNTA SA ILOG JORDAN DAHIL YUN LANG ANG MAPUPUNTAHAN NILA PARA SA TUBIG- ALANGAN NAMAN SA BAHAY NI JUAN PAG IIGIBIN MO PA NG TUBIG YUNG TAO UANGN UNA WALA SIYANG BAHAY - SA ILANG SIYA NAKATIRA SA DESYERTO - SO FOR CONVENIENCE SA ILOG NILA GINAWA O TIGNAN MO PASSION PA NG CANDABA PA ANG GINAMIT MO - NAGAMIT PALA KAYO NG MGA BABASAHIN NAMIN - EH BAKIT YAN LANG ANG PINILI MO DAHIL SA KATECHISMO NAMIN ANG SINASABI DOON - LUBOG BUHOS O WISIK PWEDE LAHAT YAN - HINDI NAMAN CATECHISMO ANG PASSION NG CANDABA - DEBOTION YAN NG MGA TAGA CENTRAL LUZON WALA KAMI SA BISAYA NIYAN - LOL LOL
SULAT NG ISANG MANALISTA
Ngunit naisip ng iyong IGLESIA KATOLIKA APOSTOLIKA ROMANA na mas konbinyente kung
wisik wisik na lang:
"Sa loob ng ilang siglo pagkatapos ng pagkakatatag ng Kristianismo ang Bautismo ay
karaniwang iginagawa sa pamamagitan ng lubog; nguni't mula ng ikalabingdalawang
siglo ang kaugaliang pagbibinyag sa pamamagitan ng buhos ay namayani sa loob ng
IGLESIA KATOLIKA, yayamang ang paraang ito ay walang gasinong sagabal na di gaya ng
Bautismo sa pamamagitan ng lubog." (Ang Pananampalataya ng ating mga Ninuno, p.274)
SAGOT NI TEEWEE ISANG KATOLIKO
NAKU NAMAN - EXCERPTS LANG ANG KINUHA MO - AT TONETONELADANG BABASAHIN ANG
MABABASA MO SA CATHOLIC LITERATURES THAT BAPTISM WAS DONE BY IMMERSION BY POURING
AND BY SPRINKLING
DIDACHE = THE TRADITION OF THE APOSTLES - A CERTIFIED 120 AD DOCUMENT DISCOVERD IN
ISTANBUL ABOUT THE APOSTLES AND WHAT THEY DID AND HOW THEY DID IT
[edit]Baptism
The second part (chapters 7 to 10) begins with an instruction on baptism, which is
to be conferred "in the Name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy
Spirit"[13] in “living water” (that is, natural flowing water), if it can be had —
if not, in cold or even warm water. The baptized and the baptizer, and, if
possible, anyone else attending the ritual should fast for one or two days
beforehand. If the water is insufficient for immersion, it may be poured three
times on the head. A century ago, this point was used by Dr. C. Bigg[20][21][22] to
demonstrate the document's late date, a position no longer current among
scholars.[citation needed]
PALAGAY KO TAMA NA ITO PARE KO NATURUAN NA KITA
ISANG TANONG NGA PALA - SAAN NAKASULAT ANG BAUTISMO SI SWIMMING POOL AY DAPAT GAWIN
- TANDAAN MO MAY CHLORIRINE ANG TUBIG NG LAHAT NG SWIMMING POOL SAMANTALA ANG
TUBIG NG JORDAN MAY KASAMA PANG PUTIG LUPA BUHANGIN NG DESYERTO - YUNG TINATAWAG NG
SILT
PALAGAY KO TAMA NA ITO PARE KO NATURUAN NA KITA BUMALIK KA NA LANG SA AKIN KUNG KAILANGAN MO

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Ngayon ba ay nagbabautismo pa sa mga catholic ng by immersion? Kung hindi na, bakit?
ReplyDeleteNAGBA BAUSTIMO PA NG IMMERSION. HINDI MO BA ALAM IYON? MARAMING CATHOLIC CHARISMATIC GROUPS NA ANG BAPTISM NILA AY BY IMMERSION FOR THE ADULTS.
ReplyDeleteDahil nagtatago ka po sa Anonymous profile tatawagin kitang Mr. Talawan from now on. Mr Talawan, you have summarized two arguments regarding the manner in which Catholics baptize children. I will address them in a different way to the best that I can so that it will have a different taste from the answers of Fr. Abe & Bro. Teewee. Note also that I will use the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) to show you what the Catholic Church REALLY teaches because:
ReplyDelete-it is official
-it is readily available even in the net & we can both search for it which leaves any room for deception as what I have just witnessed from the posts of Fr. Abe & Bro Mars.
Start!!!
First, baptism is a sacrament of faith [CCC 1236] so that when you are baptized it is assumed that you have faith in you &/or when you believe (as a non-Christian) you are expected then to be baptized (to become Christian & be part of the Body of Christ [Ephesians 4:4-5]).
Baptism as we can see is an initiation rite of a Christian in order to be part of the Body of Christ & be saved [1 Peter 3:21]. It is a pattern of the Old Testament initiation rite of circumcision: please look, read & contrast Gen 17:9-14 against Col. 2:11-13 to validate.
Basically, the early Christian community have strong Jewish roots then & that the practice of circumcision of proselytes into the Jewish religion includes the WHOLE HOUSEHOLD including children [Gen 17:9-14 & Gen. 17:23-26] this was also adapted by the Apostles in the New Covenant of Christ. The apostles also baptized (a spiritual & better type circumcision so to speak) WHOLE HOUSEHOLD which literally & contextually includes CHILDREN [Acts 16:25-33]. For additional support:
He will bring you a message through which you and ALL YOUR HOUSEHOLD will be saved. [Acts 11:14]
Crispus, the synagogue ruler, and his entire HOUSEHOLD believed in the Lord; and many of the Corinthians who heard him believed and were baptized. [Acts 18:8]
Yes, I also baptized the HOUSEHOLD of Stephanas; beyond that, I don't remember if I baptized anyone else. [1 Cor. 1:16]
But the most explicit command is this:
Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The PROMISE IS FOR YOU & YOUR CHILDREN and for all who are far off--for all whom the Lord our God will call." [Acts 2:38-39]
Let me repeat this phrase:
Repent and be baptized...The PROMISE IS FOR YOU & YOUR CHILDREN...
By baptism therefore you bring a person to Christ in order for that person (including CHILDREN) to experience inner renewal & be initiated into the New Covenant People of God- the Church or the Kingdom of God on Earth - Christ’s body.
Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." [Matthew 19:14]
Why would you deny this to the children? Do you hate children to be part of Christ’s body? Also, your verses do not say that CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE BAPTIZED, read it again Mr. Talawan.
The Church teaches that-
CCC 1250:
...The sheer gratuitousness of the grace of salvation is particularly manifest in infant Baptism. The Church and the parents would deny a child the priceless grace of becoming a child of God were they not to confer Baptism shortly after birth.
CCC 1251:
Christian parents will recognize that this practice also accords with their role as nurturers of the life that God has entrusted to them.
Regarding the second issue, the Bible did not say that pouring & sprinkling water in Baptism is not valid on the other hand it even implies the opposite Mr. Talawan. Let me try to explain our part again (even if Fr Abe & Bro Teewee has already explained it).
ReplyDeleteWe believe that the Old Testament/Covenant is fulfilled in the New Testament/Covenant & the New is hidden in the Old just as what was presented above. In the Old Testament, Prophet Ezekiel [Ezek 36:22, 25-27] explained what the New Covenant will be particularly in:
I will SPRINKLE CLEAN WATER ON YOU, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. [Ezekiel 36:25]
This is related to the sprinkling of purification of Moses’s Law [Numbers 8:7 & 19:17] & to the Promised Messiah in Isaiah which says:
so will he SPRINKLE MANY NATIONS, and kings will shut their mouths because of him. For what they were not told, they will see, and what they have not heard, they will understand. [Isaiah 52:15]
Put this in context with what Jesus said in His Great Commission:
Therefore go and make disciples of ALL NATIONS, BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit [Matthew 28:19]
You can see here Mr. Talawan that the effect of the Water & Spirit in Baptism is the same whether you practice immersion or pouring or sprinkling.
Here are SOME instances in the Bible where immersion in baptism was not done according to John Salza here [http://www.scripturecatholic.com/baptism.html]:
Acts 9:18; 22:16 - Paul is baptized while standing up in the house of Judas. There is no hot tub or swimming pool for immersion. This demonstrates that Paul was sprinkled.
Acts 10:47-48 - Peter baptized in the house of Cornelius, even though hot tubs and swimming pools were not part of homes. Those in the house had to be sprinkled.
Acts 16:33 - the baptism of the jailer and his household appears to be in the house, so immersion is not possible.
Again Mr. Talawan, where in the Bible does it say that baptism should not be done by pouring or sprinkling?